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Is Joe Biden inappropriate? (1 Viewer)

This is about as heavy handed a smear there could be and has Republican fingerprints all over it. "Gee, Biden is on top of the polls in March 2019; ready the creepy Joe attack." I'm not a savvy political consultant, but maybe wait until the guy is in the race and spends some of his money to rough up the D field to sink him? That said, I'm all for Joe bowing out and clearing the field for the next generation. So thanks!

 
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This is about as heavy handed a smear there could be and has Republican fingerprints all over it. "Gee, Biden is on the top of the polls in March 2019; ready the creepy Joe attack." I'm not a savvy political consultant, but maybe wait until the guy is in the race and spends some of his money to rough up the D field to sink him? That said, I'm all for Joe bowing out and clearing the field for the next generation. So thanks!
Um...no. This has progressive fingerprints all over it. There is no way they can let this old white dude get the nomination. 

 
Um...no. This has progressive fingerprints all over it. There is no way they can let this old white dude get the nomination. 
Maybe. Warren seemed happy to talk about it right away. Not sure why team Trump needs to pile on with Kellyanne Conway and Trump himself wasting messaging by talking about "low IQ Joe" and tweeting about "Crazy Joe Biden", but whoever wants to sink Joe before he gets in, I'm all for it. 

 
That flag is upside down....   That's one way to spot a racist or a poser from a true southerner.  It kills me how often even Skynyrd got it wrong,
Not sure it is.  I can only really tell from the middle star, which is behind the guy mostly.  You can see one point of it, the top of which seems to be flat across - which would be right for that point.

 
This is about as heavy handed a smear there could be and has Republican fingerprints all over it. "Gee, Biden is on top of the polls in March 2019; ready the creepy Joe attack." I'm not a savvy political consultant, but maybe wait until the guy is in the race and spends some of his money to rough up the D field to sink him? That said, I'm all for Joe bowing out and clearing the field for the next generation. So thanks!
I disagree. It has extreme left fingerprints on it. People who won’t be happy unless the nominee is the opposite extreme of Trump. 

 
A friendly reminder to everyone that it is definitely not cool to respond to other posters with just a "yellow smiley face rolling on the floor" emoji.  
What is funny is that Trump thinks Joe Biden is a threat to beat him. Trump should actually want this guy in the race. He's literally punching at a guy who is DOA in his own party. Guess he really wants the "people who want 70 year old dudes running the country" vote all to himself. 

 
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Maybe. Warren seemed happy to talk about it right away. Not sure why team Trump needs to pile on with Kellyanne Conway and Trump himself wasting messaging by talking about "low IQ Joe" and tweeting about "Crazy Joe Biden", but whoever wants to sink Joe before he gets in, I'm all for it. 
You don’t know why Trump wants to dance on Biden’s grave after he talked non stop #### about him for the last two years? 

 
Pelosi getting in on this Republican smear-

WASHINGTON (AP) — As former Vice President Joe Biden’s camp scrambles to contain any political damage over his past behavior with women, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has some words of advice: Keep your distance.

“Join the straight-arm club,” Pelosi told a breakfast hour Washington event on Tuesday.

In other words, keep your handshakes at arms’ length and don’t be touchy-feely.

“Just pretend you have a cold and I have a cold,” Pelosi said.

Pelosi, D-Calif., told the event, which was sponsored by Politico, that Biden “has to understand that in the world we are in now.


https://apnews.com/f14e1cb4432c460f8aeb3cfc2c095b97

 
You don’t know why Trump wants to dance on Biden’s grave after he talked non stop #### about him for the last two years? 
It's either that he doesn't want Joe to spend many months and millions of dollars attacking the D field and gobbling up airtime from the other candidates or he's so vindictive and petty that he doesn't see the benefit in that. Probably B. Trump just wanted to win the "Thrilla in Vanilla" that bad. I personally can't believe the progressive wing got team Trump to bite this hard on sinking Joe, but I suppose Trump is that easy to read. 

 
Maybe it would be better to address the issue of whether Biden's behavior is problematic and, if so, whether it's disqualifying, than to worry about the partisan affiliation of the people pointing it out.

 
I really don’t care if it’s a Republican plot or a progressive plot (I doubt either one actually) I think it’s killed his chances. People shouldn’t get too caught up on the fact that both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump have been able to survive this sort of thing- they’re exceptions to the rule, due to the power of charisma and some very unusual circumstances. Most politicians can’t survive this stuff. 

Joe Biden has a real chance here as a calming voice in the storm: the old man who would lead us back to normal times. These accusations have stripped him of that persona. 

 
Maybe it would be better to address the issue of whether Biden's behavior is problematic and, if so, whether it's disqualifying, than to worry about the partisan affiliation of the people pointing it out.
Conservative Libertarian    Voted for the weed smoker, and a person that supported Kavanaugh  considering the evidence, 

disqualifying?  No

problematic?  Not to me, but it's not my wife or daughter he's sniffin like a coon dog. 

 
What is funny is that Trump thinks Joe Biden is a threat to beat him. Trump should actually want this guy in the race. He's literally punching at a guy who is DOA in his own party. Guess he really wants the "people who want 70 year old dudes running the country" vote all to himself. 
Hard line socialist Dems don`t want an old moderate white dude.

 
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How is it upside down? The stars are pointing up, which matches most of the flags that I've seen on various websites.
Bottom side of the stars are parallel to the bars. Stars should point "Stright" up. No slanted or angled. 
Hmmm. It seems to me that if that particular flag were to be turned upside down, then the stars would still be at an angle.

Do you have any pictures of what the flag is supposed to look like?

 
Maybe it would be better to address the issue of whether Biden's behavior is problematic and, if so, whether it's disqualifying, than to worry about the partisan affiliation of the people pointing it out.
Seems like this was already discussed in 2017? Touchy/feely old men in the #metoo era? Problematic; yes. Disqualifying; seemingly only on partisan lines.

 
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I really don’t care if it’s a Republican plot or a progressive plot (I doubt either one actually) I think it’s killed his chances. People shouldn’t get too caught up on the fact that both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump have been able to survive this sort of thing- they’re exceptions to the rule, due to the power of charisma and some very unusual circumstances. Most politicians can’t survive this stuff. 

Joe Biden has a real chance here as a calming voice in the storm: the old man who would lead us back to normal times. These accusations have stripped him of that persona. 
This reminds me of the other thread asking why the Democrat base doesn't move more left? 

The answear is because they are afraid of them. 

 
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I thought it was the person the action is addressed at that determines if its appropriate or not? We pretty much have a zero tolerence environment.

 
It's either that he doesn't want Joe to spend many months and millions of dollars attacking the D field and gobbling up airtime from the other candidates or he's so vindictive and petty that he doesn't see the benefit in that. Probably B. Trump just wanted to win the "Thrilla in Vanilla" that bad. I personally can't believe the progressive wing got team Trump to bite this hard on sinking Joe, but I suppose Trump is that easy to read. 
Let’s meet in the middle and just blame the Russians.

 
Hmmm. It seems to me that if that particular flag were to be turned upside down, then the stars would still be at an angle.

Do you have any pictures of what the flag is supposed to look like?
Correct

Incorrect

Incorrect Hybrid The center and top is correct, the bottom is wrong,
I see what you're saying. But I don't think the flag from the original post is upside down -- I think it's just a poorly made flag. It seems like those stars would be at the wrong angle no matter how that flag was positioned.

 
One of my local talk radio hosts said he has met Biden a few times and every time he has met him he is very affectionate to everyone around him.  He thought that was just how he is and didn't see anything wrong with it at the time.  He added that while he didn't see anything inappropriate that we also need to listen to the people who were made to feel uncomfortable.  There is a big difference between what Biden did and what Franken did.  There is also a big difference between Franken and guys like Weinstein and Trump. 

I'm inclined to give Biden a pass with the hope that he has learned from this, but it also probably disqualifies him from any chance of winning the presidency.

 
I see what you're saying. But I don't think the flag from the original post is upside down -- I think it's just a poorly made flag. It seems like those stars would be at the wrong angle no matter how that flag was positioned.
Yu might be right, some are just poorly made, like the hybrid I posted.  

 
One of my local talk radio hosts said he has met Biden a few times and every time he has met him he is very affectionate to everyone around him.  He thought that was just how he is and didn't see anything wrong with it at the time.  He added that while he didn't see anything inappropriate that we also need to listen to the people who were made to feel uncomfortable.  There is a big difference between what Biden did and what Franken did.  There is also a big difference between Franken and guys like Weinstein and Trump. 

I'm inclined to give Biden a pass with the hope that he has learned from this, but it also probably disqualifies him from any chance of winning the presidency.
Or Clinton and Cosby?

 
Concerns about Biden becoming the 2020 Democrat nominee isn’t coming from just Republicans
I get that. Inappropriate sexual behavior is a death knell in the Democratic party as it should be. D's and R's can get behind that 100% when it's a D accused. That is clear. For others it's explained away as locker room talk, the women are lying, it's just politics or it happened so long ago. Joe needs to go, no doubt about it. Even if it's benign behavior, it's a different era and time to move on. But I also think Trump should of been disqualified for the same reason, yet here he is gearing up for 4 more years.

 
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Alyssa Milano supporting Biden in the wake of all the allegations just goes to show her activism one big joke and not worth taking seriously when she speaks out against future men.  

 
There are no socialists in a position if authority in the parry. There are some Democratic Socialists in the forefront but that is a very different thing.
Both accusers are Sanders supporters.  Pelosi and Feinstein came out in support of Biden...good for them.   Biden is a decent man..just think the rules of engagement have changed drastically last couple of years.

 
Both accusers are Sanders supporters.  Pelosi and Feinstein came out in support of Biden...good for them.   Biden is a decent man..just think the rules of engagement have changed drastically last couple of years.
I was just reading Biden’s advisors are blaming Bernie for this.  :popcorn:

Joe Biden advisers believe coverage of allegations of inappropriate behavior is being stoked by rival Democrats — a dynamic that could actually fire up the vice president at a time when others see success as increasingly improbable.

Why it matters: Several around Biden think advisers to Bernie Sanders are at least partly behind the anti-Biden campaign. One prominent backer thinks Biden will run, and "is ready to kill Bernie”
https://www.axios.com/2020-presidential-election-joe-biden-bernie-sanders-99ec8fc7-e9a8-44e8-b52d-6c5a096d7fd3.html

 
Yep. I’ve assumed Bernie supporters were behind this for a couple of days now. 

If it’s Bernie vs Trump I honestly don’t know what I’ll do. 

 
Both accusers are Sanders supporters.  Pelosi and Feinstein came out in support of Biden...good for them.   Biden is a decent man..just think the rules of engagement have changed drastically last couple of years.
Flores did endorse Bernie last cycle. Maybe people need to read her whole story before they just decide it's a partisan attack. The new accuser is calling for a new face preferably a female nominee last time I checked Bernie was neither a new face or a woman. Maybe everything isn't a conspiracy. 

 
Oh and if this has anyone upset wait until he enters the race and his legislative record is used to eviscerate him. Again not to mention his handling on Anita Hill. May want to break out the fainting couch.

 
Flores did endorse Bernie last cycle. Maybe people need to read her whole story before they just decide it's a partisan attack. The new accuser is calling for a new face preferably a female nominee last time I checked Bernie was neither a new face or a woman. Maybe everything isn't a conspiracy. 
Oh I agree but all is fair in love, war and politics.  After what the DNC did to Bernie last election his supporters  might be on a revenge tour.

 
Oh I agree but all is fair in love, war and politics.  After what the DNC did to Bernie last election his supporters  might be on a revenge tour.
 For what it's worth not the ones I know. But it sure seems like the Clintonites still have the axes out for Bernie. All we're concerned about, as far as the people I know, is that he gets a fair shake this time and that we concentrate on policy which Bernie will do. He's had his chances to personally attack people and the only person he's personally attacked is Trump when he's called him a liar which is what Trump is.

 
Flores did endorse Bernie last cycle. Maybe people need to read her whole story before they just decide it's a partisan attack. The new accuser is calling for a new face preferably a female nominee last time I checked Bernie was neither a new face or a woman. Maybe everything isn't a conspiracy. 
Oh I agree but all is fair in love, war and politics.  After what the DNC did to Bernie last election his supporters  might be on a revenge tour.
Which would justify everything the DNC did.

Bernie Sanders is not a member of the Democratic Party. The DNC made a huge mistake in 2016 when they allowed outsiders to run in their primaries -- not only did he beat up Hillary so badly that it weakened her chances against Trump, but he encouraged the whole "rigged primary" narrative which left millennials with a bitter taste in their mouth. Some of them will be forever turned off from ever joining the party. Plus, the whole thing emboldened Trump's own "rigged election" mantra. And now you've got bots and faux-Sanders-sympathizers pouring gasoline on the fire which will further divide the party all the way through November 2020.

I would laugh at this fiasco if Trump weren't president right now. But I would like Trump to lose in 2020, and since the Republicans are too scared to stand up to him in the primaries, my only option is the disjointed traveshamockery known as the Democratic Party. Those guys are doing everything in their power to screw this up again.

 
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That flag is upside down....   That's one way to spot a racist or a poser from a true southerner.  It kills me how often even Skynyrd got it wrong, 
So how does this work? Does posting the Stars and Bars upside down mean that you are patriotic?  :lol:

 
Which would justify everything the DNC did.

Bernie Sanders is not a member of the Democratic Party. The DNC made a huge mistake in 2016 when they allowed outsiders to run in their primaries -- not only did he beat up Hillary so badly that it weakened her chances against Trump, but he encouraged the whole "rigged primary" narrative which left millennials with a bitter taste in their mouth. Some of them will be forever turned off from ever joining the party. Plus, the whole thing emboldened Trump's own "rigged election" mantra. And now you've got bots and faux-Sanders-sympathizers pouring gasoline on the fire which will further divide the party all the way through November 2020.

I would laugh at this fiasco if Trump weren't president right now. But I would like Trump to lose in 2020, and since the Republicans are too scared to stand up to him in the primaries, my only option is the disjointed traveshamockery known as the Democratic Party. You guys are doing everything in your power to screw this up again.
The primaries were rigged against Bernie. The DNC admitted as much in court and said it was their right to do so. Further you know who weakened Hillary? Hillary. The more people saw of her the less they liked her. Which is pretty typical every time she campaigns. Including her Senate runs. She further set herself up when they went out of their way to get their media buddies to prop up Trump because she thought she could best him. She further hurt herself by not campaigning as hard she should've in the rust belt because she took them.for granted. She further hurt herself when her campaign talked about not needing blue collar votes as they were going to win suburban Republicans.  They didn't and between the blue collar vote and an awful lot of African Americans not buying her hot sauce bs so they didn't show up is why she lost. Not Bernie.  Hillary lost and she did it to herself.

 
The primaries were rigged against Bernie. The DNC admitted as much in court and said it was their right to do so. Further you know who weakened Hillary? Hillary. The more people saw of her the less they liked her. Which is pretty typical every time she campaigns. Including her Senate runs. She further set herself up when they went out of their way to get their media buddies to prop up Trump because she thought she could best him. She further hurt herself by not campaigning as hard she should've in the rust belt because she took them.for granted. She further hurt herself when her campaign talked about not needing blue collar votes as they were going to win suburban Republicans.  They didn't and between the blue collar vote and an awful lot of African Americans not buying her hot sauce bs so they didn't show up is why she lost. Not Bernie.  Hillary lost and she did it to herself.
Sadly all of this is true. Though I refused to recognize it then. 

However, I don’t believe that Hillary lost the election so much as Trump won it. 

 
Which would justify everything the DNC did.

Bernie Sanders is not a member of the Democratic Party. The DNC made a huge mistake in 2016 when they allowed outsiders to run in their primaries -- not only did he beat up Hillary so badly that it weakened her chances against Trump, but he encouraged the whole "rigged primary" narrative which left millennials with a bitter taste in their mouth. Some of them will be forever turned off from ever joining the party. Plus, the whole thing emboldened Trump's own "rigged election" mantra. And now you've got bots and faux-Sanders-sympathizers pouring gasoline on the fire which will further divide the party all the way through November 2020.

I would laugh at this fiasco if Trump weren't president right now. But I would like Trump to lose in 2020, and since the Republicans are too scared to stand up to him in the primaries, my only option is the disjointed traveshamockery known as the Democratic Party. You guys are doing everything in your power to screw this up again.
The primaries were rigged against Bernie. The DNC admitted as much in court and said it was their right to do so. Further you know who weakened Hillary? Hillary. The more people saw of her the less they liked her. Which is pretty typical every time she campaigns. Including her Senate runs. She further set herself up when they went out of their way to get their media buddies to prop up Trump because she thought she could best him. She further hurt herself by not campaigning as hard she should've in the rust belt because she took them.for granted. She further hurt herself when her campaign talked about not needing blue collar votes as they were going to win suburban Republicans.  They didn't and between the blue collar vote and an awful lot of African Americans not buying her hot sauce bs so they didn't show up is why she lost. Not Bernie.  Hillary lost and she did it to herself.
"Hillary did it to herself" is a convenient narrative which absolves Bernie supporters of all responsibility, guilt, and foresight.

(It's also sadly ironic that the phrase just has twinge of slut-shaming to it. ("She shouldn't have worn that outfit!"))

But just as with the "Lock Her Up" crowd, you don't have Hillary to kick around anymore. So when you drag down the Democratic party in 2020 (like you did in 2016) you will not be able to pin the blame on the boogeyman anymore.

Liberals are destroying the infrastructure of the only political party that comes close to helping them achieve their goals, and it will absolutely lead to another Trump win. Hopefully the end result is that the bitter liberals splinter off and form their own party, while the moderates drop their Pro Choice absolutism and form a new party with the never Trumpers.

 
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Hopefully the end result is that the bitter liberals splinter off and form their own party, while the moderates drop their Pro Choice absolutism and form a new party with the never Trumpers.




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To make sure I understand you, you think there will be two new parties formed?

 
Sadly all of this is true. Though I refused to recognize it then. 

However, I don’t believe that Hillary lost the election so much as Trump won it. 
He won the EC. It was well played by his campaign he picked off just enough votes. In any other modern democracy Hillary would be president right now. She did win the overall vote after all. And you guys would be mad at me for my critiques of her policies  

 
"Hillary did it to herself" is a convenient narrative which absolves Bernie supporters of all responsibility, guilt, and foresight.

(It's also sadly ironic that the phrase just has twinge of slut-shaming to it. ("She shouldn't have worn that outfit!")

But just as with the "Lock Her Up" crowd, you don't have Hillary to kick around anymore. So when you drag down the Democratic party in 2020 (like you did in 2016) you will not be able to pin the blame on the boogeyman anymore.

Liberals are destroying the infrastructure of the only political party that comes close to helping them achieve their goals, and it will absolutely lead to another Trump win. Hopefully the end result is that the bitter liberals splinter off and form their own party, while the moderates drop their Pro Choice absolutism and form a new party with the never Trumpers.
Ah yes the thoroughly corrupted Democratic party which long ago forgot the working class in their efforts to be just a little less conservative than the GOP is a bright shining beacon that deserves no criticism. You know who sounds bitter here? A hint it isn't the liberal in the conversation 

 

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