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Or he could be drafted in the second round and not be the first WR taken.
.... or another L Treadwell.Really reminds me of a slightly smaller Calvin Johnson without the sub 4.4 speed.
That's a concern if he runs a 4.64 40 like Treadwell. He should run about 1/10 faster. I would say he's way more slow Brandon Marshall than slow Treadwell. I think Treadwell might not be getting the playbook or something. Pretty sure he has no idea what he's doing out there. I mean he couldn't even beat out Charles Johnson to get into the starting lineup a year ago..... or another L Treadwell.
SMU redshirt junior WR Courtland Sutton announced that he will declare for the NFL Draft.
Sutton (6'4/214) will likely hear his name called in Rd. 1 this spring barring a poor pre-draft process. He may have been a first-rounder had he declared after last season, but Sutton returned to post a 62-1017-12 line. Sutton isn't necessarily a polarizing prospect, but some like him more than others. B/R's Matt Miller ranks Sutton as the class' No. 2 receiver, but says Sutton has the highest ceiling of any WR in the crop. ESPN's Mel Kiper does not rank Sutton among his top-25 prospects, while Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline currently has a second-round grade on Sutton. "One aspect of his game that scouts would like to see him clean up is his route running; he’ll sometimes drift at the top of his routes and is light on his cuts," Pauline wrote. In his first 2018 mock draft, Todd McShay slotted Sutton No. 27 to the Jags. SI's Albert Breer recently reported that he'd heard from "many" evaluators that Sutton could be a top-10 pick.
Dec 22 - 11:46 PM
Source: NFL.com
Calvin Johnson? Color me confused on that comparison. What characteristics do you feel like they share?Really reminds me of a slightly smaller Calvin Johnson without the sub 4.4 speed.
With the RB talent coming out? What makes this guy elite?1.2 or 1.3 in dynasty drafts. If he is treadwellish at the combine he will drop.
I think he’d have to be found with two transvstite hookers and an eight ball on draft night to fall into the second round.JohnnyU said:Or he could be drafted in the second round and not be the first WR taken.
What if they were regular hookers and it were only a couple grams?I think he’d have to be found with two transvstite hookers and an eight ball on draft night to fall into the second round.
His size, the way he catches the ball and the way he moves down the field. He's just not as big and not as fast. But his ball skills are comparable.King of the Jungle said:Calvin Johnson? Color me confused on that comparison. What characteristics do you feel like they share?
The scoop: "He's just a man. He plays in a conference that has some smaller cornerbacks and there are some games where it looks like a Pop Warner game with him. I think he's going to be a good pro." -- NFC regional scout on SMU WR Courtland Sutton
The skinny: At 6-foot-4 and 216 pounds (school measurements), Sutton is a big receiver and he plays to every inch and pound of his frame. He reminds me of Titans 2017 first-rounder Corey Davis in that he's slick in creating late separation for himself and winning the contested catches. Sutton is my No. 1 WR to watch heading into the season.
I see a lot of same thing being said about players all over the internet, word for word. No one wants to do their own work I guess.Faust said:
Don't think any WR goes in the top 4 this year. Recent 1st round dynasty WRs haven't been paying off returns (Corey Coleman, Doctson, Treadwell, Corey Davis, John Ross, Mike Williams), I bet people go for the RBs, even in PPR.1.2 or 1.3 in dynasty drafts. If he is treadwellish at the combine he will drop.
obv the draft and combine are going to move a lot of players up or down in the evaluations but even if he goes to a prime situation, I feel like the recency bias you are pointing out is going to have an effect.Don't think any WR goes in the top 4 this year. Recent 1st round dynasty WRs haven't been paying off returns (Corey Coleman, Doctson, Treadwell, Corey Davis, John Ross, Mike Williams), I bet people go for the RBs, even in PPR.
I agree. Maybe top 5 or 6. I definitely am starting to see it that way.Don't think any WR goes in the top 4 this year. Recent 1st round dynasty WRs haven't been paying off returns (Corey Coleman, Doctson, Treadwell, Corey Davis, John Ross, Mike Williams), I bet people go for the RBs, even in PPR.
Had this argument last season about this time when I kept insisting not only was Cook/Fournette not top two locks but not to dismiss Davis and Williams. Davis for sure crashed the top 4 RB party in most drafts.Don't think any WR goes in the top 4 this year. Recent 1st round dynasty WRs haven't been paying off returns (Corey Coleman, Doctson, Treadwell, Corey Davis, John Ross, Mike Williams), I bet people go for the RBs, even in PPR.
I don't think it's a lock like some others, but if SF takes a WR like Sutton or Ridley (especially if they don't trade down and its a top 10 pick) the folks at 2/3 are going to be having a tough decision to make, IMO.Had this argument last season about this time when I kept insisting not only was Cook/Fournette not top two locks but not to dismiss Davis and Williams. Davis for sure crashed the top 4 RB party in most drafts.
I believe Ridley does the same thing this year when he's a high first round pick.
As a side not injuries wrecked this years top 3 drafted WR's and Davis for me in particular I remain extremely high on but injuries barely gave any of them a chance.
I got pick 2 and Guice is not a lock but close, real close.I don't think it's a lock like some others, but if SF takes a WR like Sutton or Ridley (especially if they don't trade down and its a top 10 pick) the folks at 2/3 are going to be having a tough decision to make, IMO.
Us former Devante Parker owners still suffering from PTSD sure hope so, because this feels a WHOLE LOT like that. And, once again, I'm heavily invested.Had this argument last season about this time when I kept insisting not only was Cook/Fournette not top two locks but not to dismiss Davis and Williams. Davis for sure crashed the top 4 RB party in most drafts.
I believe Ridley does the same thing this year when he's a high first round pick.
As a side not injuries wrecked this years top 3 drafted WR's and Davis for me in particular I remain extremely high on but injuries barely gave any of them a chance.
On Parker I still think he can pull through and I'm a little more encouraged by some stuff I read the other day which basically said the Dolphins were sick of Jarvis Landry's crap. I don't think they resign him and that's a lot of targets getting opened up.Us former Devante Parker owners still suffering from PTSD sure hope so, because this feels a WHOLE LOT like that. And, once again, I'm heavily invested.
I think the WR that SF drafts goes #2 in our draft.I don't think it's a lock like some others, but if SF takes a WR like Sutton or Ridley (especially if they don't trade down and its a top 10 pick) the folks at 2/3 are going to be having a tough decision to make, IMO.
Pro Football Focus's Steve Palazzolo projects the Jaguars to take SMU WR Courtland Sutton with the 29th pick in his latest mock draft.
Sutton (6'4/214) has not only one of the best receivers in the country over the last two years, he's been an analytical darling. It's no surprise, then, to see him projected as a first-round selection. "Sutton brings a 6-foot-4 frame capable of beating up on smaller cornerbacks and winning in contested situations," Palazzolo writes, "but he’s also been solid after the catch, forcing 26 missed tackles over the last two years."
Source: Pro Football Focus on Twitter
Jan 20 - 10:33 PM
Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU
Rank: #45
Sutton is a big, physical wideout. He primarily lined up outside for the Mustangs, but he did take some reps in the slot. He uses his upper-body strength to defeat press coverage, but lacks ideal suddenness in his release. As a route runner, he's a long strider who struggles to generate much separation. He makes a ton of plays with defenders draped all over him. He has an enormous catch radius and his ability to high point the ball is special (see: one-handed grab vs. Tulsa). After the catch, he lacks burst and wiggle, but he will power through tacklers. Sutton lacks ideal explosiveness and route-running polish, but his combination of size/strength/ball skills is tough to defend against.
Care to unpack this? Is this good or bad? Sutton isnt injured as far as i know...getting a Mike Williams (LAC) type vibe
I just assumed he meant tall receiver that's good at boxing out CBs but might not get a ton of separation.Care to unpack this? Is this good or bad? Sutton isnt injured as far as i know...
Because they are both the same body type? By the way a healthy Mike Williams still has massive upsideCare to unpack this? Is this good or bad? Sutton isnt injured as far as i know...
I agree but mikey needs to be on the field. Lots of mouths to feed w keenan and hunter gordon....Because they are both the same body type? By the way a healthy Mike Williams still has massive upside
True. I think if Williams is healthy he will get his. Also Allen hasn’t been the picture of health either so he could get his chanceI agree but mikey needs to be on the field. Lots of mouths to feed w keenan and hunter gordon....
Care to unpack this? Is this good or bad? Sutton isnt injured as far as i know...
This is some of it. Theyre obviously not clones but similar. I feel like they have a similar play style too. Without seeing suttons combine numbers, it just seemed like a good comp.Because they are both the same body type? By the way a healthy Mike Williams still has massive upside
SMU WR Courtland Sutton ran the 40-yard dash in 4.54 seconds at the NFL Scouting Combine.
Sutton's run was one which held as much intrigue as any in Indianapolis and he came through with flying colors. The 6-foot-3, 218-pounder possesses palatable size for a No. 1 wideout, but needed a strong run to realistically stay in play for a Round 1 selection. This run of 4.54 seconds more than does the trick, especially given his frame and stature. In addition to the nice 40-yard dash run, Sutton also turned in respectable jumps of 35.5 inches (vertical) and 124 inches (broad). We like what we've seen all the way around.
Source: NFL.com
Mar 3 - 2:16 PM
SMU WR Courtland Sutton produced a composite score in the 86th percentile in the NFL Scouting Combine.
Sutton's 4.54 second 40-yard dash score helped -- especially considering his size (6'3/218). He also impressed with his jumps and held his own in the shuttles, making his one of the more complete testers at the position. Rotoworld's Thor Nystrom ranks Sutton at the top of his wide receiver position board, and we're guessing he didn't see anything in his workouts that suggests he'll be dropping from that spot.
Mar 5 - 9:16 PM
Source: 3 Sigma Athlete