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Anthony Miller WR Houston Texans (2 Viewers)
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
I wouldn't necessarily say he looked slow. He didn't look fast, but not slow either. If that makes sense
He looked okay as far as athleticism. I was impressed with his route running and awareness. He made a few good catches.
I don't see him as a big speedy guy (although he isn't slow on paper), but rather more of a Cris Carter sort of player- catches everything thrown to him.
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Rig24
Footballguy
Fair. I haven't gotten to watch much of him this year, but that long catch/run (non-TD) looked slower than expected. Maybe because he couldn't split and pull away from the defenders. I was more impressed with his contested catches. Still high on the guy.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Yes, I was surprised he wasn't "gone" after he broke that tackle. I can agree on that.
He'll be a very solid WR for years to come. Glad to see him catching on quickly as many knocked his age in dynasty. Next year is going to be dangerous.
saintfool
Dead sexy
i've heard consistent praise about these. especially how he understands how to play against different coverages. he knows how to find the open spot/route in the zone as well as use his body to go after catches. his desire to be great is a big plus, i think. Trub has issues with accuracy downfield so Miller's ability to adjust is crucial.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I'm a big pimper, but agree, top end speed is not there. But it wasn't there when I watched his tape either. I more love his hands and ability to get open. Two mildly imporant traits for a WR.
The Chris Carter comp IMO is pretty apposite. He'll just kill you in the midfield and sideline stuff but he's not taking a WR screen or quick slant to the house OBJ style.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I don't think your observation is off. Miller is not a pure speed WR like Gabriel for example. The way he wins is by understanding defenses and running good routes.Rig24 said:
In my view the technique and football intelligence are traits which are most important for players to have.
Take Corderrelle Patterson for example. Great speed, explosive moves with the ball in his hands.
Cannot run a route with proper timing to save his life.
I will take route running and understanding of defenses over pure athleticism every day.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
2019 outlook?
Awesome route runner, but in general the dynasty community has him rated really low
Hinderly has him at 37, which seems low since he played the entire season with a bad shoulder that needed surgery and still did well.
He has Pettis 31. seems absurd
Awesome route runner, but in general the dynasty community has him rated really low
Hinderly has him at 37, which seems low since he played the entire season with a bad shoulder that needed surgery and still did well.
He has Pettis 31. seems absurd
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Interested in this as well. He is near the back end of my Dyno roster and may have to make a tough decision on whether I keep him (only 18 spots). Like the route running and end zone production. Not 100% convinced on Mitch and the offense seems to spread it around. May only have WR2 upside at most.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I agree on the WR2 upside.
I was offered 1.10 and Royce Freeman for him and my projected late 2020 1st.
I think I value him more than Freeman... He had 7 TDs last year and is an amazing route runner, which I love.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I wouldn’t give up a first in the the exchange. I like a random (even though projected late) 2020 1st over a late 2019 1st.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Tough start to this guys career with the injuries. Unfortunately this is how some guys career trajectory starts to fade. Hopefully he can get healthy as there are a few other Bear WRs making noise (Ridley, Wims).
TZMarkie
Footballguy
Covered this extensively in the Bears thread after the crapfest tonight.
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/753328-chicago-bears-thread-2019-and-same-old-bears/?do=findComment&comment=22128856
Apparently getting over an ankle injury, plus a knucklehead to boot. I expanded on it. (and hes now on my bench not a WR3 in one league lol)
TZM
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Not sure why I drafted this guy. It was a late pick but still stupid since there is no upside. Miller will be the first waiver.
It could be that, but I think the real issue is that Cohen played 46 snaps and 36 of them were in the slot and 8 were out wide. It seems Gabriel held onto his WR2 spot and Cohen stole Miller's WR3 spot.
Well I played against the dude last night so that’s good. But as a dynasty owner not so good. The bad is quoted here. Nagy seems like a total clown. Like he’s the smartest guy in room and he can just plug whoever into magical system without any game reps and it’s going to roll smoothly. So stupid not to give his young qb and young surrounding talent reps in the preseason. They couldn’t have looked less prepared.
As for Miller, you have to think the ankle thing and subsequent lack of practice time/conditioning was a big part in his lack of a role. There’s no way Cohen is a better slot receiver than he is. I expect he’ll work his way back into the full time slot role. Dynasty wise you’ve got a few black marks starting to add up- he was old as rookie, he’s had several injuries, probably a trash qb, his coach has been quoted as saying he’s not always been in the right place on the field leading me to believe he might not have it all between the ears. Loved him coming out. Starting to fade some.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Mitch is garbage too. It's going to be a long year. Hoping for a few good games so I can unload him in my last remaining dynasty league where I have him.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
on the plus side, cats out of the bag- play 8 in the box. trubisky will be forced to throw a lot
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Trubisky is not horrible. He will improve but I'm not sure that helps Miller. Miller isn't that good.Dr. Dan said:
Milkman
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
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dipandglide
Footballguy
This advice is ok for redraft. I wouldn't react this harshly in dynasty. The guy is clearly injured. He put together a nice season last year as a rookie. He's a hold in dynasty, IMO.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Wow, what an overreaction after one game. No upside? Totally disagree on this. If Trubisky sucks all year, maybe not but I think he is going to have some solid games.DocHolliday said:
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Its not even good advice for redraft. It was the first game of the season. Second year receiver that should still be improving.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I agree it is an over reaction.
The only reasonable explanation for Miller playing less than other WR in my view is because he was recently injured and they were easing him in for game one.
Miller as a rookie played on 53.6% of the Bears offensive snaps in 15 games. 3rd most of the WR and more snaps than Cohen as well.
In week one Miller only played on 22% of the snaps.
I am expecting Miller to at least get back to where he was last season. I was hoping Miller would play well enough to surpass Gabriel in snap counts this year but Gabriel had the most snaps for a WR last year and 92% of them in the most recent game. I still think that could happen. I do not think Gabriel is a better WR than Miller is.
I didn't think the Bears played well at all on offense except for Robinson.
Pretty hard to judge a guy who only had 16 snaps.
dipandglide
Footballguy
I'll be throwing out some buy-low feelers after the week ends.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I always respect your insight. I will hold him for another game unless there is a WR on the WW that I can't pass on.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Every league is different. Do what you have to do.
Maybe the Bears (and Miller) do suck all year. I suppose that's possible too. They have a rough schedule.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Thinking about this some more.
I have one theory that Cohen may have taken over Millers role for this game. Cohen lined up in the slot a ton and played more than twice as many snaps as Miller as well.
Did something happen to Millers role in the offense at the end of last season?
Just looking at the snap counts and game logs from last year.
While Millers snap counts didn't change that much (45-70% from game 11-16) his targets did. He only had 10 targets and 2 rushing attempts over the last 6 games of the year.
I assumed this was just a rookie wearing down as the year goes on and perhaps the shoulder injury was part of that as well.
Based on the low snaps for Miller in game one it has caused me to question somewhat if there is more to it?
Maybe a Bears fan would know.
I haven't heard anything about the Bears wanting to limit Millers role in the offense. Quite the opposite. Yet here we are.
I have one theory that Cohen may have taken over Millers role for this game. Cohen lined up in the slot a ton and played more than twice as many snaps as Miller as well.
Did something happen to Millers role in the offense at the end of last season?
Just looking at the snap counts and game logs from last year.
While Millers snap counts didn't change that much (45-70% from game 11-16) his targets did. He only had 10 targets and 2 rushing attempts over the last 6 games of the year.
I assumed this was just a rookie wearing down as the year goes on and perhaps the shoulder injury was part of that as well.
Based on the low snaps for Miller in game one it has caused me to question somewhat if there is more to it?
Maybe a Bears fan would know.
I haven't heard anything about the Bears wanting to limit Millers role in the offense. Quite the opposite. Yet here we are.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Maybe Miller is not quite over his injury and/or still getting back into game shape. Hopefully we will learn more from practice reports.
Elevencents
Footballguy
I understand 1 Target is more than concerning. But it’s still only one game. I don’t think anyone is worth dropping after one game.
Miller was banged up all throughout camp, and down the stretch last year(albeit with a different injury) I don't think Cohen is all of a sudden the slot WR, but I think between Miller not being fully healthy, and Burton being out, the Bears made a bold(and likely bad) decision to use Cohen in that manner.
Honestly, I think week 1 was an issue of Matt Nagy perhaps getting a little too cocky after his coach of the year award, and outsmarting himself. Still fully expect Miller to be the slot WR going forward, though obviously health is key.
This is what I would assume - Miller had a sprained his ankle and missed the entire preseason. I think he only had a couple of full practices with the team before the Packers game. The Bears were completely out of sync on offense and Robinson was really the only player that played well. Cohen was having a really bad game until the 4th quarter and was only start-worthy in PPR. Miller never should have been considered a WR1 or WR2 unless you are in a 25 team league. He had a really good rookie season when you consider that he was playing almost the entire year with a bad shoulder. When healthy I think he is a good guy to have but if the injuries continue than I would look for other options.
I think he’s a clear hold in dynasty unless you can’t afford the roster spot. I think @Biabreakable has the right read on Cohen overtaking Miller’s slot role for the moment. Whether that’s because Miller has been hurt or Nagy sees Cohen as a better scheme fit will take some time to play out. Other than the fact he’s been banged up a lot I don’t see how we can say anything definitive on Miller, but being down on his talent seems really premature to me.
