Krilons Resa
Footballguy
Someone dropped him after this past weekend. Just scooped him up to make tonight's game a bit more enjoyable. Also hoping for a Jeudy trade soon to open up a path for him to play more.
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WR Marvin Mims, DEN (1 Viewer)
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
I really want to start him tonight. My team is probably going to get clobbered. Mims popping off 150/2 in garbage time might be my only hope.
Main worry is that the Broncos need to showcase Sutton and Jeudy if they are going to trade them tomorrow morning.
Main worry is that the Broncos need to showcase Sutton and Jeudy if they are going to trade them tomorrow morning.
LawFitz
Footballguy
This would help explain Mims' lack of usage last weekend. Didn't think about this angle until now.
Catbird
Footballguy
If I were thinking Juedy hasn't been well used and might have enough value to trade for fairly cheaply, and he goes off for maybe 120 and a TD, maybe also draws a big PI flag or a hold, that could confirm a lot of my hopes.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
I just want out of the Sean Payton Denver experience with his pass catchers
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Both have had exactly 5 100 yard games in their career (kind of shocking for the 28 YO Sutton) .
I don't know that a big game tonight would help much, but it wouldn't hurt.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Long-term or just the current options?
Krilons Resa
Footballguy
BAGEL.
SIX snaps.
SIX snaps.
Well, the Denver offense is so stacked that Payton just can't find the snaps for him I guess
Fantasy aside, you would think Denver would be designing specific plays to get the ball in his hands. Total
Sean Payton's coming out retirement run, is going a lot closer to Mike Ditka's than **** Vermeil's.
Really starting to wonder if he just caught lightning in a bottle with Brees, because this Broncos team is bad and it falls more on Payton than anyone else. Bad plays, bad usage, bad concepts. This guy has a Super Bowl ring and looks clueless. There are other examples, but Mims may be the most egregious. He's likely the best WR on the roster, certainly top-3 at worst, he should be seeing 70%+ of the routes. What are guys like Humphrey or Johnson bringing to the table? What are 2-TE sets with Trautman and Manhertz bringing? I have zero Mims shares across 5 leagues, I just really liked him as a prospect, and he's been their best playmaker whenever they've used him. Seems like a team desperate to make plays, should use the guy who already proved he can, but what do I know, I don't have a Super Bowl ring I guess.
Really starting to wonder if he just caught lightning in a bottle with Brees, because this Broncos team is bad and it falls more on Payton than anyone else. Bad plays, bad usage, bad concepts. This guy has a Super Bowl ring and looks clueless. There are other examples, but Mims may be the most egregious. He's likely the best WR on the roster, certainly top-3 at worst, he should be seeing 70%+ of the routes. What are guys like Humphrey or Johnson bringing to the table? What are 2-TE sets with Trautman and Manhertz bringing? I have zero Mims shares across 5 leagues, I just really liked him as a prospect, and he's been their best playmaker whenever they've used him. Seems like a team desperate to make plays, should use the guy who already proved he can, but what do I know, I don't have a Super Bowl ring I guess.
Down Under
Footballguy
Has the Denver press indicated that people are unhappy with Payton yet? Anyone with first-hand knowledge?
Bossman
Footballguy
He should have never coached in a state that made marijuana legal. Those frat party bong hits have obviously taken a toll.
Bossman
Footballguy
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
@Bossman - the only thing that can help you cope with how dreadful this team is probably a couple massive bong-rips.
I don't see any plausible way they get out from under Wilson's enormous contract. The fact they are forced to give up on Jerry Jeudy (who can't be this bad) and will probably only get 1 year of peak Marvin Mims with a capable player throwing him the ball is sad. They just keep throwing bad money at the situation to try and make it better. Fire Hackett, trade for Sean Payton... I would probably be looking to offload Russell Wilson more than anything at this point. I'd givehim up with a 4th for a 7th just to get him off my team.
Too bad trades in the NFL don't work like transfers in soccer - would be great sending him to the CFL or arena league.
I don't see any plausible way they get out from under Wilson's enormous contract. The fact they are forced to give up on Jerry Jeudy (who can't be this bad) and will probably only get 1 year of peak Marvin Mims with a capable player throwing him the ball is sad. They just keep throwing bad money at the situation to try and make it better. Fire Hackett, trade for Sean Payton... I would probably be looking to offload Russell Wilson more than anything at this point. I'd givehim up with a 4th for a 7th just to get him off my team.
Too bad trades in the NFL don't work like transfers in soccer - would be great sending him to the CFL or arena league.
Down Under
Footballguy
I'm sure you were going more for the "that is awful for Payton" reaction, but when I see that kind of crap, I hope that whatever a**hole recorded that is thrown out of the house permanently. Really, wtf is wrong with you to record someone famous out having fun and trying to destroy their lives over it?? Reminds me of the Phelps incident, which pissed me off also.
Bossman
Footballguy
It's all about the "clicks" nowadays. People do not care what the fallout is for other people so long as they get high doses of likes.
This leaked right after Payton commented on how last years team had the worst coaching in the history of the NFL. Might have been some motivation there to do him dirty.
I found that the best defense against people recording me doing stuff like this is to not be famous.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Here's the out for the Broncos, assuming Russ doesn't make a dramatic turnaround very very soon...
POST-6/1 RELEASE (this coming offseason)
2024 Dead Cap: $35,400,000
2025 Dead Cap: $49,600,000
2024 Cap Savings: $0
Those dead cap figures look daunting, right? They are not at all. Russ has the following cap charges those two years, which get replaced by the dead cap numbers above.
2024 $35.4 MM
2025 $55.4 MM
So then, releasing him this coming offseason with a post-June 1 designation would actually be cap neutral in 2024, and free up ($55.4 - 49.6) = ~$6 MM in cap space in 2025. They would be using $35.4 MM and $49.6 MM of cap on a QB that is no longer there, but at this/that point, they might consider that addition by subtraction in that they could move on to a rookie QB with a cheap contract for those two seasons. Or even just roll with Stidham who is already on the books.
-OZ-
Footballguy
So from a pure salary cap perspective the question is neutral and comes down to whether they want him around?
I’d think some team would even trade for him if they could work the cap so the broncos took the brunt (I have no idea how that works)
LawFitz
Footballguy
Yes, 100% correct on the first question.
As for the second, the team that takes him would need to pay him $17 MM in 2024 and then $37 MM if they keep him in 2025. That would free up $17 MM in Broncos 2024 cap, so they could theoretically take on some or all of that salary to even it out with cutting him cap-wise, with the objective of recouping some draft capital.
Bossman
Footballguy
I'm sure Belichick will trade you that #1 pick. He loves to trade down.
markrc99
Footballguy
Not to distract but what I don't get is the recent trashing of Jerry Jeudy. Yeah okay, he's struggled, however much of it is on him, whatever. Is that something new, a high draft pick that doesn't live up to expectation? Move him, get Mims jr. more run, I don't understand how it helps?
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
are you asking how moving Jeudy helps Mims? unfortunately moving Jeudy doesn't help the oline issues, russ issues, play calling that doesn't match the player skills issues, etc., but it expands Mims targets so that's about it. how much quality targets would he get in that scenario, doesn't feel like much, which I think is what you're saying and I agree. it's a concern, so Mims is as deep of a stash as it gets unless the offense overall starts clicking. i guess that's on Peyton+Russ.
if jeudy and sutton stay on this roster, then Mims value is just about zero, so non-zero is the upside at this time after having watched last night.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
from what I've seen from this offense, there is little fantasy value at all the coaching sux the team is in disarray and when does the great Wizard of Oz the arrogant self loving Sean Payton lose the locker room? I believe it's already happened. this team is going to implode soon. what a joke
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I'm not willing to write off any of the skill players of this team yet. Heck, I'm not even sure how bad Russ truly is because he really doesn't seem to have much time in the pocket. I haven't watched a lot of Denver football but I don't think you want a QB of Russ' age running for his life back there. If you are going to pick up an aging signal caller, you might want to build a line for him to be comfortable back there.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
The good thing is if no moves are made guy is an easy drop. If moves are made the potential is there.
Of course. My team is really good and it would take him gaining a role and doing very well for him to even make my lineup. I hope a move is made this week (no reason for Denver to wait if there is a trade or 2 out there) If not its just 1 more week after that. Its just killing me to be missing out on all these WW moves while I hold Mims not even getting a chance to play.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Baffling usage IMO. Jeudy obviously ain't it so move on.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
He's also got two lost fumbles against the Jets and a muffed KR against the Bears that got placed at the 1-yard line. Not great for getting max touches.
he’s clearly a special talent and this team isn’t going anywhere—why not let him play and develop.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Ah, I (thankfully) haven't watched much of the Broncos this year. That's useful insight.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
I mentioned this up thread.
Mims injured his hamstring at the very beginning of OTA's and didn't even begin practicing until mid-August. He had basically zero time to rep with the offense as it was being installed prior to the regular season.
That has hampered his playing time. Plus Payton likes his outside WR's big and tall for blocking.
He'll get there.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Also, Payton mentioned recently that both the Jets and Chiefs used a lot of Cover 2 which has limited Mims' ability to get open for deep shots. They watched tape
Payton drafted him, so I don't think his frame/lack of size on the outside will be an issue
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Starting to remind me of Ted Ginn Jr in more ways than one. That's not really a good thing for your fantasy lineups.
Patience is needed here. He’s a very good talent, but still a rookie with significant target competition on a limited offensive team. We all have to remember, with very few exceptions, that rookie WR take time to develop. He’s been uneven so far, but he’s had glimpses that show upside going forward. Denver will be a tear down, either at the deadline or next year. Delayed gratification is not easy for us, but, if we’re patient, he’ll show value soon enough.
zamboni
Footballguy
Pretty much a lost season for Mims after what looked promising being Payton’s first draft pick (and moving up to trade for him).
Not sure if they can move on from Jeudy after taking his 5th year option, but can’t imagine he’s in the plans.
Any hopes for Mims in 2024 and beyond?
Not sure if they can move on from Jeudy after taking his 5th year option, but can’t imagine he’s in the plans.
Any hopes for Mims in 2024 and beyond?
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Sean Payton said the only thing that slowed down Marvin Mims Jr as a receiver was “us.”
