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Another AOC success story...

 

Back in April, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s ludicrous Green New Deal inspired a group of New York City construction workers to unionize, becoming one of the first unions in the solar power industry. It didn’t last long, though.

On Monday, the union’s employer, Bright Power, decided to fire the whole staff and replace them with subcontractors. All this happened while the union was trying to negotiate for their first contract, too.

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17 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

 

Another AOC success story...

 

Back in April, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s ludicrous Green New Deal inspired a group of New York City construction workers to unionize, becoming one of the first unions in the solar power industry. It didn’t last long, though.

On Monday, the union’s employer, Bright Power, decided to fire the whole staff and replace them with subcontractors. All this happened while the union was trying to negotiate for their first contract, too.

Some workers try to unionize and a company fires them all and the bad guy in the story is ... AOC.  Makes perfect sense.

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20 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

Some workers try to unionize and a company fires them all and the bad guy in the story is ... AOC.  Makes perfect sense.

Well she was just the figure head for the New Green Deal, so the credit should go towards Saikat?  The funny thing is, if this was an AOC inspired success story, she would be wrapping herself with praise and credit and of course a photo-OP.  

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15 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

Well she was just the figure head for the New Green Deal, so the credit should go towards Saikat?  The funny thing is, if this was an AOC inspired success story, she would be wrapping herself with praise and credit and of course a photo-OP.  

Let's not putting any blame on the company for mistreating workers.  

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4 minutes ago, Tool said:

Let's not putting any blame on the company for mistreating workers.  

They are scrondrals if they indeed are not providing the proper safety precautions.  

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18 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

They are scrondrals if they indeed are not providing the proper safety precautions.  

As someone who has worked in the constitution field most of my life, my experience is when a company wants subcontractors instead of employees is because they dont want to pay workers comp insurance. 

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25 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

They are scrondrals if they indeed are not providing the proper safety precautions.  

Yup, seems like a situation where a union might be a good idea.

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Jon’s article comes with heavy conservative spin.  The Vice article linked in his article is more thorough. 

 

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Workers at Bright Power say the company’s lack of concern for their safety and well-being points to the need for unions in the burgeoning green energy construction industry. Most of Bright Power’s construction workers come from low-income communities of color, some are formerly incarcerated, many are decades into their careers, and most earn between $16 and $18 an hour, workers say, which puts them in a precarious position that could be strengthened by a union. (New York City’s minimum wage sits at $15 an hour.)

The IBEW union contract Bright Power workers aimed for would mandate at least $56 an hour, the minimum wage paid to electricians working on government projects in New York City and implemented in most union shops.

This year, workers decided to unionize following a couple work accidents and pressure from management to work outside in extreme weather conditions in the winter. Bright Power’s solar panel installers traverse high-rise housing complexes across New York City’s five boroughs with high voltage power equipment.

I often think wages and compensation get too high when labor unions get involved but safety concerns need to be addressed.

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On ‎10‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 9:23 AM, Chicago Hooligan said:

This thread was started as basically "look at the crazy lib puppet" and since then it's been a haven for men to to regularly announce that they're totally NOT scared of AOC in any way. Somehow it's never convincing.

I open it in the hopes that maybe she was video'd doing another sexy dance, like her time at B.C., but so far no luck.

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On ‎10‎/‎29‎/‎2019 at 9:46 AM, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

Do you disagree that most corporations are owned and operated primarily by white people?

Most American and European ones sure.  Take into account China, Japan, India, Mexico, Brazil, I am not so sure.

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On 11/24/2019 at 6:56 AM, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

Some workers try to unionize and a company fires them all and the bad guy in the story is ... AOC.  Makes perfect sense.

That vice author tweeted the story and said that the workers were inspired by AOC's green new deal which is how she got involved in the storyline.  

I have made this point in here repeatedly, but if AOC didnt receive the large amounts of unnecessary praise she gets, she wouldnt get anywhere near the criticism either. 

 

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23 hours ago, Juxtatarot said:

Jon’s article comes with heavy conservative spin.  The Vice article linked in his article is more thorough. 

 

I often think wages and compensation get too high when labor unions get involved but safety concerns need to be addressed.

Alleged safety concerns. Those stories all came from anonymous former employee sources. 

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Rebecca Davis O'Brien @rebeccadobrien

Amazon agrees to lease 335,000 square feet in NYC's Hudson Yards neighborhood, in a deal without any financial incentives from the city or state.

 

 

 

I really thought this thread would be full of apologies by now.  :kicksrock:

 

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I knew from the thread that she had done something colossally stupid, immature, reckless, or something else that betrayed sane thought. "She just...she just gets ahead of herself!" No, no she doesn't get ahead of anything. That's her worldview, plain and sample, stupid and unforthcoming and leftist.

Nobody can possibly support this persona and claim any iota of the moderate flag. None. 

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Another day, another viral misleading tweet from AOC. Amazon is leasing office space in Manhattan for 1,500 employees, which is 6% of the 25,000 jobs its HQ2 in Queens (her district) was supposed to add," The Daily Caller's Peter Hasson said.

"AOC could have had 25,000 jobs in her district from Amazon, but now, Amazon is only offering 1,500 jobs using rental space OUTSIDE her district. She's taking a victory lap for a 94% loss in jobs in NYC and 25,000 job loss in her district. Socialist logic is incredible," political strategist Caleb Hull wrote.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/aoc-blasted-for-misleading-tweet-taking-victory-lap-over-new-amazon-jobs-in-nyc

 

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13 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

Rebecca Davis O'Brien @rebeccadobrien

Amazon agrees to lease 335,000 square feet in NYC's Hudson Yards neighborhood, in a deal without any financial incentives from the city or state.

 

 

 

I really thought this thread would be full of apologies by now.  :kicksrock:

 

Lol...you must read her tweets.  Seems obnoxious and ignorant to expect an apology for losing at least 23,500 high-paying jobs and another 50,000 jobs which would have been created indirectly.  1,500 jobs is not 75,000 jobs nor is it the $30 billion in lost tax revenue for the city and state.  But math never appears to be her strong suit 

 

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16 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

Another day, another viral misleading tweet from AOC. Amazon is leasing office space in Manhattan for 1,500 employees, which is 6% of the 25,000 jobs its HQ2 in Queens (her district) was supposed to add," The Daily Caller's Peter Hasson said.

"AOC could have had 25,000 jobs in her district from Amazon, but now, Amazon is only offering 1,500 jobs using rental space OUTSIDE her district. She's taking a victory lap for a 94% loss in jobs in NYC and 25,000 job loss in her district. Socialist logic is incredible," political strategist Caleb Hull wrote.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/aoc-blasted-for-misleading-tweet-taking-victory-lap-over-new-amazon-jobs-in-nyc

 

Amazon wasn't coming to her district.

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1 minute ago, Mile High said:

Amazon wasn't coming to her district.

This is new facility is not either.  But the headquarters was right next door, which is much closer.

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POTUS Radio leans left and they says the only politician who misstates the facts on Twitter as much as Trump is Cortez.  They call her very Trumpoinian with her tweeting habits.   Not sure that was meant as a compliment.

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1 hour ago, Mile High said:

Amazon wasn't coming to her district.

Eh, but come on, it meant jobs for her district which is right next door.

I dunno, maybe this is a regional thing but now Amazon is buying into Hudson Yards, a connected piece of land, on the other side of NYC from where it was going to be. Rich property owners and Manhattan win there. The development for Astoria is lost. Maybe folks in that district and the surrounding precincts are fine with that. And I'm sure Cortez will be reelected in the Dem primary nonetheless, even though it runs counter to traditional Dem appeals for bringing home jobs and programs.

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29 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

POTUS Radio leans left and they says the only politician who misstates the facts on Twitter as much as Trump is Cortez.  They call her very Trumpoinian with her tweeting habits.   Not sure that was meant as a compliment.

I have said for a while that she is very similar to Trump: fairly clueless about most things, tweets non-stop and often it's over the top rhetoric, gets pissy any time anyone criticizes them for anything, etc. 

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41 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Eh, but come on, it meant jobs for her district which is right next door.

I dunno, maybe this is a regional thing but now Amazon is buying into Hudson Yards, a connected piece of land, on the other side of NYC from where it was going to be. Rich property owners and Manhattan win there. The development for Astoria is lost. Maybe folks in that district and the surrounding precincts are fine with that. And I'm sure Cortez will be reelected in the Dem primary nonetheless, even though it runs counter to traditional Dem appeals for bringing home jobs and programs.

Using $3 billion in tax incentives to lure a company to one borough vs another is not really a good use of resources

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35 minutes ago, Slapdash said:

Using $3 billion in tax incentives to lure a company to one borough vs another is not really a good use of resources

It is obviously not that simple. The hq2 deal was for far more employees and a deal to construct 4 million new square feet of mixed use commercial space. 

This is 335,000 sq ft of existing space that they are leasing. 

Apples to elephants. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, parasaurolophus said:

It is obviously not that simple. The hq2 deal was for far more employees and a deal to construct 4 million new square feet of mixed use commercial space. 

This is 335,000 sq ft of existing space that they are leasing. 

Apples to elephants. 

 

 

All minuscule in the overall NYC market.  Not sure why cities with booming growth should be giving the richest companies in the world tax subsides 

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5 minutes ago, Slapdash said:

All minuscule in the overall NYC market.  Not sure why cities with booming growth should be giving the richest companies in the world tax subsides 

25,000 jobs,  $27 billion in tax revenue and $3 billion in tax subsidies. Yep....that’s bad :lmao:

https://ny.curbed.com/2019/12/6/20999619/amazon-leases-hudson-yards-office-space-hq2

 

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Didn't realize conservatives were suddenly in favor of government subsidies these days.  You have fun with that.

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4 minutes ago, Slapdash said:

Didn't realize conservatives were suddenly in favor of government subsidies these days.  You have fun with that.

Do the math. 25,000 high paying jobs=good.

$27 billion in tax revenue less $3 billion in tax subsidies =good.

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2 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

Do the math. 25,000 high paying jobs=good.

$27 billion in tax revenue less $3 billion in tax subsidies =good.

Agree 100%. 

Of course @Slapdash is correct to point out it  isn’t a typical conservative position to be in favor of such things. Personally I think it’s great- usually. And AOC’s comments were dumb from the beginning. 

(I added “usually” to my statement because I’ve become skeptical, over the years, to the sports stadium aspect. In my neck of the woods, and I’m sure others as well, there are always sports team owners demanding all kinds of money, concessions, tax write offs, etc. in exchange for keeping a team around, and they always promise all sorts of benefits to the area. Somehow these benefits never quite pay off.) 

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I can only speak with respect to Foxconn in Wisconsin. Apparently, the state was told Foxconn would bring in 13k jobs... new estimates report about 1,500 jobs. So, Wisconsin was sold a bill of goods that may be, what, 80% less than what was promised? I see no reason to believe Amazon would not have balked at their "job estimates" once the tax credit hit. The Foxconn deal is going, will continue to blow up in Wisconsin's face. I see no reason to think otherwise that the same would have happened with Amazon and these outrageous projections.

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4 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Agree 100%. 

Of course @Slapdash is correct to point out it  isn’t a typical conservative position to be in favor of such things. Personally I think it’s great- usually. And AOC’s comments were dumb from the beginning. 

(I added “usually” to my statement because I’ve become skeptical, over the years, to the sports stadium aspect. In my neck of the woods, and I’m sure others as well, there are always sports team owners demanding all kinds of money, concessions, tax write offs, etc. in exchange for keeping a team around, and they always promise all sorts of benefits to the area. Somehow these benefits never quite pay off.) 

It is silly to act like sports owners are the only ones that promise things they never deliver in exchange for corporate welfare.  Amazon always was going to grow in NYC, it doesn't make sense to give them money to choose a specific site in the city.  Bad economic policy of picking winners and losers.  

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3 minutes ago, Mario Kart said:

I can only speak with respect to Foxconn in Wisconsin. Apparently, the state was told Foxconn would bring in 13k jobs... new estimates report about 1,500 jobs. So, Wisconsin was sold a bill of goods that may be, what, 80% less than what was promised? I see no reason to believe Amazon would not have balked at their "job estimates" once the tax credit hit. The Foxconn deal is going, will continue to blow up in Wisconsin's face. I see no reason to think otherwise that the same would have happened with Amazon and these outrageous projections.

It’s situational. The projections are not necessarily outrageous. You need to examine the details provided and decide if they make sense. In the case of Amazon and NYC, from what I read they did seem to make sense.

And it’s also worth pointing out that AOC didn’t appear to offer intelligent opposition from what I read. Had she said “it’s never going to produce that number of jobs and here’s why” I think a lot of people would have given her arguments much more respectful consideration. Instead she repeated somewhat stale leftist rhetoric about big corporations like Amazon taking over. As somebody who likes AOC and thinks her heart is in the right place, it was depressing to read. 

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58 minutes ago, Slapdash said:

All minuscule in the overall NYC market.  Not sure why cities with booming growth should be giving the richest companies in the world tax subsides 

 Well thats a discussion we can have, but that certainly isnt what you said. 

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3 minutes ago, Slapdash said:

It is silly to act like sports owners are the only ones that promise things they never deliver in exchange for corporate welfare.  Amazon always was going to grow in NYC, it doesn't make sense to give them money to choose a specific site in the city.  Bad economic policy of picking winners and losers.  

Well sports owners are more present in the news so I guess I pay more attention to them. But as to your overall point I don’t agree. It depends on the situation. We live in a competitive world. If I’m a native of Los Angeles, I don’t want my city council saying “oh it’s bad policy to pick winners and losers” while at the same time Chicago and San Francisco are offering companies big time benefits and we lose their business as a result. I want my government people pro-active. 

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5 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

 Well thats a discussion we can have, but that certainly isnt what you said. 

I think it is.  Amazon is going to keep expanding in NYC regardless.  IMO, they were always coming going to NYC/DC and this whole HQ2 thing was just a big publicity stunt to get money.

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24 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Well sports owners are more present in the news so I guess I pay more attention to them. But as to your overall point I don’t agree. It depends on the situation. We live in a competitive world. If I’m a native of Los Angeles, I don’t want my city council saying “oh it’s bad policy to pick winners and losers” while at the same time Chicago and San Francisco are offering companies big time benefits and we lose their business as a result. I want my government people pro-active. 

OK, that doesn't make it the best use of money.  There are many things that go into making a city desirable for a company to located to and these things reduce money for more valuable things.  I can see a better argument in more rural locations with weak economies (like auto manufacturing around the Southeast) 

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Rick Scott and AOC have something in common. Scott killed the film industry, which jump started around the time of Miami Vice, by stopping tax credits.  The industry took a long time to build. Now, most of those jobs have gone to Georgia and other southern states, which have aggressively courted a multibillion industry by giving  tax incentives. Both Scott and AOC didn't budge from views on somewhat opposite extremes. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2017/03/10/burt-reynolds-blames-gov-rick-scott-for-floridas-dying-film-industry%3fmedia=AMP%2bHTML

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1 hour ago, Slapdash said:

OK, that doesn't make it the best use of money.  There are many things that go into making a city desirable for a company to located to and these things reduce money for more valuable things.  I can see a better argument in more rural locations with weak economies (like auto manufacturing around the Southeast) 

The studies that New York did showed it would generate $30 billion in new tax revenues vs. The $3 Billion that were offered in incentives.  In what friggin universe is that 'reducing money for more valuable things'?  

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Don't even compare sports team to what the Amazon deal was.  Sports teams use ego and generated business revenues to extract large ransoms out of cities far beyond tax revenues generated.  This Amazon deal was a slam dunk winner for the state of New York.  It was really a once in a lifetime opportunity and this tiny 1500 jobs is nothing in comparison. 

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30 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

Don't even compare sports team to what the Amazon deal was.  Sports teams use ego and generated business revenues to extract large ransoms out of cities far beyond tax revenues generated.  This Amazon deal was a slam dunk winner for the state of New York.  It was really a once in a lifetime opportunity and this tiny 1500 jobs is nothing in comparison. 

I wasn’t really comparing them, I was responding to Slapdash’s argument that it’s bad policy for government to pick economic winners and losers. That’s not always true. I don’t think it was true in the case of Amazon. But on the other hand it’s sometimes true and sports stadiums are a good example. 

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23 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

Rebecca Davis O'Brien @rebeccadobrien

Amazon agrees to lease 335,000 square feet in NYC's Hudson Yards neighborhood, in a deal without any financial incentives from the city or state.

I really thought this thread would be full of apologies by now.  :kicksrock:

 

Did you say this without knowing the details? With all due respect, you're way off on this one and that surprises me.

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3 hours ago, Mr Anonymous said:

Did you say this without knowing the details? With all due respect, you're way off on this one and that surprises me.

Which parts are you referring to? I’m assuming the job numbers. 
 

The year one jobs promise from Amazon in the original deal was 700 jobs. The big numbers were speculative thoughts within ten years.  
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/amazon-has-listed-its-first-two-job-openings-for-hq2-in-new-york-city.html

They are currently setting up with 1500 jobs in Manhattan.  

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7 hours ago, John Blutarsky said:

25,000 jobs,  $27 billion in tax revenue and $3 billion in tax subsidies. Yep....that’s bad :lmao:

https://ny.curbed.com/2019/12/6/20999619/amazon-leases-hudson-yards-office-space-hq2

 

Year 1 was 700 jobs. 
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/amazon-has-listed-its-first-two-job-openings-for-hq2-in-new-york-city.html

25,000 was something everyone hoped for. They still will. 

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11 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Year 1 was 700 jobs. 
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/amazon-has-listed-its-first-two-job-openings-for-hq2-in-new-york-city.html

25,000 was something everyone hoped for. They still will. 

Of course year 1 was 700 jobs. How do you staff a building that isnt built yet? 

Those 700 jobs were an expansion in existing offices. Your link states that. 

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12 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

Of course year 1 was 700 jobs. How do you staff a building that isnt built yet? 

Those 700 jobs were an expansion in existing offices. Your link states that. 

Right.  This coming first year will be 1500 jobs according to the reports about Amazon coming in to Manhattan, right?

They’re leasing an extra 335,000 square feet of office space which is not yet built out?

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And Facebook and Google, who would have asked for similar subsidies, will also be coming in for millions more square feet for their offices nearby at the same time, right? Facebook is leasing 1.5 million square feet. 
 

It feels like New York dared them not to take advantage of their tech infrastructure and talent, and big tech blinked. 

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6 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Right.  This coming first year will be 1500 jobs according to the reports about Amazon coming in to Manhattan, right?

They’re leasing an extra 335,000 square feet of office space which is not yet built out?

The hq2 deal was to build a 500k sq ft amazon building and 4 million of extra mixed use commercial space. 

This new deal is amazon leasing 335k of existing space and will be a total of 1500 jobs. 

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Just now, parasaurolophus said:

The hq2 deal was to build a 500k sq ft amazon building and 4 million of extra mixed use commercial space. 

This new deal is amazon leasing 335k of existing space and will be a total of 1500 jobs. 

To start, for sure, for Amazon.  Facebook is adding 1.5 million square feet, Google 1.7 million... no subsidies for any.  That seems way more sustainable. Amazon will still expand, I would imagine.  And all 1500 of those jobs will be 6 figure plus. 

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6 hours ago, bananafish said:

But yes, let's talk some more about what an idiot AOC is for voting against $3B 

1. She didnt vote against it as she is a us rep. 2. She isnt an idiot for voicing displeasure about 3 billion. She looks foolish for spiking the football and trying to gaslight the american public into believing that the deal happened anyway. 

Also this is the AOC thread. Not sure about you but this would be where I choose to discuss AOC on this board. Would be really weird of me to go into other threads and carpet bomb them with AOC quotes. 

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