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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Thread (3 Viewers)

This whole discussion reminds me of the wife that says she "saved $100" after she paid $300 for a pair of shoes.  There was no savings there, just spending.  It is the end result that matters.  The end result for New York is they are getting $27 billion less in tax revenues because Amazon HQ did not come to their city.   

 
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Ahh, I see. Perhaps we shouldn't take his word either :)

Does look like the jobs #s were from Amazon though
You realize these incentives were performance based and contingent on Amazon actually creating these high-paying jobs.  The governor commissioned a private study to evaluate the economic impact of Amazon HQ coming to New York and were based upon the lower end guaranteed numbers.  Amazon was building space to accommodate over 40,000 employees, but were guaranteeing New York 25,000.  

 
You realize these incentives were performance based and contingent on Amazon actually creating these high-paying jobs.  The governor commissioned a private study to evaluate the economic impact of Amazon HQ coming to New York and were based upon the lower end guaranteed numbers.  Amazon was building space to accommodate over 40,000 employees, but were guaranteeing New York 25,000.  
https://apnews.com/d736c681d54c4b6c846602917fad76db

The company planned to spend $2.5 billion building the New York office, choosing the area in part because of its large pool of tech talent. The governor and the mayor had argued that the project would spur economic growth that would pay for the $2.8 billion in state and city incentives many times over.

 
Ahh, I see. Perhaps we shouldn't take his word either :)

Does look like the jobs #s were from Amazon though
 The numbers came from an economic impact study from REMI, which isn't without some issues. There is some wiggle room on how many sq ft of mixed use space would ultimately be built and I am sure that explains the discrepancies between 25k and 40k. Amazon I believe only used the 25k. 

Regardless I dont take issue with opposing giving 3 billion in tax breaks. What I take issue with is her trying to convince people that she was right and amazon is coming anyway. That is ridiculous. Even if we assume everybody is over estimating by double and it is only 12,500 jobs and 2.2 million sq ft to be built, that is nowhere near leasing an existing 335k sq ft and 1500 jobs.

Pretending the latter was equal is lying. 

And no not as severe as lying about government fund misuse or any other number of things, but lying regardless.    

 
Amazon even said some jobs would still go to New York when this happened earlier this year. AOC should be criticized for her comments this week. Do the math, it’s amazing some people support this.

 
Oh dear.

AOC in California this weekend talks about America while stumping for Bernie Sanders at rally featuring Cornel West.

"What we're living in right now is not an advanced society."

"It is fascism, what we have, what we're evolving into, as well.”

https://twitter.com/fredtscoop/status/1208958817691721734?s=21
I didn't listen to it.  When she said "not an advanced society" was she referring to technology, our social programs (relative to other countries), or something else?

The "fascism" comment seems hyperbolic but I think most people acknowledge the problems in our Democracy.  According to the Democracy Index  we're ranked 25th in the world and in the "flawed democracies" classification.  

 
Thread was dormant for 10 days. US congresswoman says we dont have an advanced society and that we have fascism. 

Is that really not worthy of comment? 
And remember that these are the same guys that get all up in arms every time Trump tweets.  

Did you see the reactions when Trump talked about the Wind the other day?  If only they put in 1/4 th effort to try and justify his comments the way they do AOC's (like @Juxtatarot comment 2 posts above mine), we might actually have a dialog.

 
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And remember that these are the same guys that get all up in arms every time Trump tweets.  

Did you see the reactions when Trump talked about the Wind the other day?  If only they put in 1/4 th effort to try and justify his comments the way they do AOC's (like @Juxtatarot comment 2 posts above mine), we might actually have a dialog.
Trump is president. AOC isn't my repersentive. 

 
She is the chick you marginally tolerate at a college kegger only because she has a history of drinking too much and making out with other chicks in public for the attention or touching herself inappropriately while she dances.  The thing is one quickly learns that she is never giving it up because she always manages to vomit on herself after talking dirty and getting your hopes up.

 
She’s a thought leader, not an actual leader. She’s been in office for less than a term.
Yet a leader nonetheless, but I think she has more pull than you think.

I just find it funny that whenever she opens her mouth the left and media are clamoring for her despite how ridiculous and woefully uneducated she sounds (in my opinion, of course).  Yet they continue to justify her comments.  

When somebody points out how ridiculous she sounds, we get the "she's not the President" excuse or the "I don't know why you guys are so concerned about her" line of questioning.

 
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Yet a leader nonetheless, but I think she has more pull than you think.

I just find it funny that whenever she opens her mouth the left and media are clamoring for her despite how ridiculous woefully uneducated she sounds (in my opinion, of course).  Yet they continue to justify her comments.  

When somebody points out how ridiculous she sounds, we get the "she's not the President" excuse.
But aren’t the Republicans also pushing her forward as a foil? 

Full disclosure, I have strong thoughts about socialism/dem-socialism, and you and I might even disagree with them. But I’ve read enough history to know the power of these ideas, and I’ve known enough bartenders to know they’re pretty damned good people readers. Hell the Germans themselves sent Lenin into Russia in their own rail car. That’s not a comp, just making a point.

 
But aren’t the Republicans also pushing her forward as a foil? 

Full disclosure, I have strong thoughts about socialism/dem-socialism, and you and I might even disagree with them. But I’ve read enough history to know the power of these ideas, and I’ve known enough bartenders to know they’re pretty damned good people readers. Hell the Germans themselves sent Lenin into Russia in their own rail car. That’s not a comp, just making a point.
Oh sure, they absolutely are, but let's not pretend she's not an insignificant part of the Party.

Also, side note: there is no such thing as "Dem-Socialism".  "Dem-Socialism" is just Socialism with the word "Democratic" in front of it.  It's only there to fool people into thinking it's not Socialism.

 
Oh sure, they absolutely are, but let's not pretend she's not an insignificant part of the Party.

Also, side note: there is no such thing as "Dem-Socialism".  "Dem-Socialism" is just Socialism with the word "Democratic" in front of it.  It's only there to fool people into thinking it's not Socialism.
Hm yeah I’ll disagree on that last part. There’s definitely a difference.

 
And remember that these are the same guys that get all up in arms every time Trump tweets.  

Did you see the reactions when Trump talked about the Wind the other day?  If only they put in 1/4 th effort to try and justify his comments the way they do AOC's (like @Juxtatarot comment 2 posts above mine), we might actually have a dialog.
Ummm what she said is not half as bad as much of the crap he says...and a bit of difference between a freshman congresswoman and POTUS.  Seems way more odd to obsess about her but excuse his actions so often.

 
Says Hannity, Rush, et al. just to paint the Democrats as something they are not. Keep listening to falsehoods if that floats your boat.
Even @SaintsInDome2006 says she's a leader.  :shrug:

I've given one example of what this "non-leader" did above.  I appreciate your comment, but I don't listen to Hannity or Rush, so instead of me listening to falsehoods it appears you are stating falsehoods instead.  

Seriously, maybe you should get to know me better before making claims about me.  I'm a really nice guy.  👍

 
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To be clear I said ‘thought leader’, she’s classic avant-garde. I said she’s not a party leader.
But still a leader, no?  In any event, I believe she has more power than you guys are willing to believe.  All the candidates are seeking her endorsement is another example of what a "non-leader" she is.

 
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 All the candidates are seeking her endorsement is another example of what a "non-leader" she is.
“Are seeking”?  As in current, present tense?  I don’t think Biden, Bloomberg, Klobuchar or Buttigieg are currently seeking her endorsement.  They wouldn’t get it anyway.  Maybe they would seek it as we approached the general but not now.

 
“Are seeking”?  As in current, present tense?  I don’t think Biden, Bloomberg, Klobuchar or Buttigieg are currently seeking her endorsement.  They wouldn’t get it anyway.  Maybe they would seek it as we approached the general but not now.
Maybe "were" seeking it is better.  I believe Bernie was pursuing her endorsement and got it, but most of them were looking for it.

 
Maybe "were" seeking it is better.  I believe Bernie was pursuing her endorsement and got it, but most of them were looking for it.
I had forgotten she endorsed already. I had recalled she was holding out longer than the other squad members.

Anyway, I don’t think you’re correct that the more moderate candidates were seeking her endorsement.  If you read this, I’d be interested in seeing those articles.

 
“Are seeking”?  As in current, present tense?  I don’t think Biden, Bloomberg, Klobuchar or Buttigieg are currently seeking her endorsement.  They wouldn’t get it anyway.  Maybe they would seek it as we approached the general but not now.
I don't think all of the candidates were seeking it, but all the candidates seeking to capture the more progressive wing of the Democrat party certainly were.  Here is a 2-minure piece aired by CNN describing how several of the top candidates were pursuing what CNN characterized as one of the most coveted endorsements of the year.  

 
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I don't think all of the candidates were seeking it, but all the candidates seeking to capture the more progressive wing of the Democrat party certainly were.  Here is a 2-minure piece aired by CNN describing how several of the top candidates were pursuing what CNN characterized as one of the most coveted endorsements of the year.  
Yep, I agree. Thanks for linking the video. Warren and Sanders sought the endorsement even though they tried to downplay it.   More moderate candidates like Biden and Klobuchar wouldn’t because 1) they weren’t getting it anyway and 2) it doesn’t fit with their overall message.  

The point I’m getting at is AOC is an important influencer on the left side of the party but not for most of it. If a candidate other than Warren or Sanders wins the nomination, her main value to the candidate and party is just to get on board and encourage the far left to get out and vote instead of staying home. 

If I were Joe Biden’s campaign manager, I don’t think I’d even want him standing next to AOC at an event.  That clip would be shown over and over on Fox News and other conservative outlets to scare more moderate voters with visions of socialism.

 
AOC in California this weekend talks about America while stumping for Bernie Sanders at rally featuring Cornel West.

"What we're living in right now is not an advanced society."

"It is fascism, what we have, what we're evolving into, as well.”

https://twitter.com/fredtscoop/status/1208958817691721734?s=21
Sigh.  So easy to tell the people you're trying to influence that they're a victim and it's all the fault of those evil bastards fascists over yonder.

I don't think she has any idea how intellectually dishonest she is.

 

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