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QB Daniel Jones, NYG (1 Viewer)
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
This is interesting. I respect Brandt's opinion very much and comparisons to P Manning are exactly why I like him. His arm strength has me very concerned, but when you look at other QBs out there, I wonder if its overblown:
Daniel Jones: 54mph
Peyton Manning: 59mph
Mitch Trubisky: 55mph
Russell Wilson: 56mph
Deshaun Watson: 49mph
Carson Wentz: 57mph
Jimmy G: 56mph
Granted, Jones is second lowest on this list, but I dont recall anyone writing Trubisky off their boards due to arm strength.
Jones could be a sneaky pick yet
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I don't like this guy at all anymore. I was indifferent, but the RSP swayed me. I'm curious to see where he goes next week.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I've said it all along, I think we haven't seen anywhere near his ceiling due to limited talent around him at Duke. And heart/brains DO matter a lot at this position. Think about how many "physically gifted" QBs failed because they didn't have the head/heart for the position (Russell, Manziel, Leaf, Young, etc.)
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I'm not targeting him in the draft, but if he's undrafted I may take a swing. he still intrigues me. there is a scenario where I draft him, but I'm hoping my draft board falls how I expect it to so I dont have to
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
For sure, I would pick him late in superflex and definitely spend a roster spot to find out if he somehow went undrafted... Especially if the draft capital is anything more than minimal.
Its weird to me, how some people find Kyler Murray to be a risky prospect, but not Jones. Jones succeeding would be a way bigger surprise.
Murray has everything except size, Jones seemingly only has size.
Murray is elite in all meaningful passing stats, Jones is below average to downright bad, and that can't just be blamed on supporting cast. Jones YPA, and comp% are awful by any standards.
Jones has mediocre accuracy, a below average arm, and doesn't make good decisions. Other than that, he's a great prospect.
Murray has everything except size, Jones seemingly only has size.
Murray is elite in all meaningful passing stats, Jones is below average to downright bad, and that can't just be blamed on supporting cast. Jones YPA, and comp% are awful by any standards.
Jones has mediocre accuracy, a below average arm, and doesn't make good decisions. Other than that, he's a great prospect.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Respect Gil but totally disagree
I can't find Jones to be a risky pick because I fully expect him to bust / be an adequate backup.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
kittenmittens
Footballguy
What does this do for Jones' Superflex Rookie ADP?
All that draft capital... This will be interesting.
All that draft capital... This will be interesting.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Daniel Jones final college game vs Wake Forest. 17-36. 145 yards. 1 TD. 1 INT. QBR 11.2 Result Loss to WF by 59-7. I don't care if he was surrounded with HS players. That's pitiful.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Is Gettleman trolling the city of NY, or the entire NFL at this point?.......
"Giants GM Dave Gettleman reiterated that Eli Manning is the team's starter in 2019.
"Maybe we’re going to be the Green Bay model, where Rodgers sat for three years," Gettleman suggested following his reach for Duke QB Daniel Jones at No. 6. "You can never have too many good players at one position." ESPN's Jordan Raanan reports that Gettleman called Eli Manning while selecting Jones and relayed to his veteran quarterback that he's still the starter moving forward. Coach Pat Shurmur added that he told Manning, "It's your job to win games and keep this guy off the field." This is the second time the Giants' GM referenced another team while discussing his own team's philosophy, infamously citing the 'Kansas City model' the last time he mentioned developing a rookie behind a veteran. The fact of the matter is the Giants may not have one good player under center right now, let alone too many.
SOURCE: ESPN
Apr 26, 2019, 3:35 PM"
So they used the 6th pick in the draft to have depth behind Eli? It seems like he's just trying to get fired. Does he have the guaranteed Gruden/OAK and none of know it?
"Giants GM Dave Gettleman reiterated that Eli Manning is the team's starter in 2019.
"Maybe we’re going to be the Green Bay model, where Rodgers sat for three years," Gettleman suggested following his reach for Duke QB Daniel Jones at No. 6. "You can never have too many good players at one position." ESPN's Jordan Raanan reports that Gettleman called Eli Manning while selecting Jones and relayed to his veteran quarterback that he's still the starter moving forward. Coach Pat Shurmur added that he told Manning, "It's your job to win games and keep this guy off the field." This is the second time the Giants' GM referenced another team while discussing his own team's philosophy, infamously citing the 'Kansas City model' the last time he mentioned developing a rookie behind a veteran. The fact of the matter is the Giants may not have one good player under center right now, let alone too many.
SOURCE: ESPN
Apr 26, 2019, 3:35 PM"
So they used the 6th pick in the draft to have depth behind Eli? It seems like he's just trying to get fired. Does he have the guaranteed Gruden/OAK and none of know it?
rockaction
Footballguy
That's basically a problem with hyper-modernity and "swag" as sort of embodying in a word the "cool" that is a hyper-masculine braggadocio. Of course the journo has no idea what "swag" means to an old school coach. He sees stupid "swag" commercials for Old Spice and knows he hates the hyper-ironic, overly over-masculine behavior exhibited therein.
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rockaction
Footballguy
And Daniel Jones was a terrible pick.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Someone either dropped a basket full of scorpions on the table between @minakimes & @MGolicJR57 or Dave Gettleman just made a first round draft pick
Is it possible that swag shade directed at OBJ to carry favor with Gettleman?
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It literally gets NO WORSE than this. Are they drafting Drew Lock next round? He thinks Eli has 3 more years in him? Not to mention wasting the critical years for development to maximize winning in the rookie-deal window.
Warren Sharp added, Kimberley A. MartinVerified account @ByKimberleyA
Gettleman sees Daniel Jones as a potential franchise QB -- but also mentioned he could sit for three years. #giants
9:32 PM - 25 Apr 2019
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
He just screams Joey Harrington to me.
tkrull
Footballguy
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I guess he was their guy, but I have to think he'd of been there at 17, right? They must've really not wanted Haskins if for some reason Wash took Jones. Or somehow knew that either Wash or maybe Miami wanted Jones?
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
Joey Harrington had 33 career AV. That’s ... a low bar to clear. For comparison, Blake freaking Bortles has 48 career AV.
I’ll definitely take the under on 48 for Jones.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Omg when Gettleman was asked if they took a QB at 6 sit behind Eli for 3 years and why they didn’t draft help for Eli instead, Gettleman said who knows, I could die in a car accident tomorrow. Life is short.
Thats a comforting response. Everything sounds like he saw Jones in the Senior Bowl practice and immediately made his mind up that this was the pick.
Thats a comforting response. Everything sounds like he saw Jones in the Senior Bowl practice and immediately made his mind up that this was the pick.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Jones is on ive with Francesa now..after Francesa spent 20 minutes slamming the pick. 
Wonder if he was listening.
Wonder if he was listening.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I think the argument is that if you think Jones is your best bet for a franchise QB, you don't get cute.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Except he's explicitly said that if you think Eli still has YEARS left as the starter, you don't get cute and you draft his backup using the 6th overall pick.
Of course he's also said that he didn't extend OBJ to turn around and trade him. So he has a tell. He's lying when his lips are moving.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Yeah, I have no idea what he's doing, or why he keeps saying dumb stuff. Just saying that if you think you have a franchise QB on the board, you take him.
The Frankman
Footballguy
The only good thing about this move is it almost guarantees Gettleman is fired within 3 years.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I remember reading that nobody below 50 MPH had ever been successful in the NFL. I guess it is 49 now after Watson...
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