Jackstraw
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I grew up in group homes surrounded by minorities of all stripes. Do I pass the Shiek approved I get to empathize with minorities bar?
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Children -- A Talk about how to handle a police encounter (1 Viewer)
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Interesting that "the talk" always comes up when an incident that clearly shows "the talk" didnt happen is in the news.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
For those of you saying “all you have to do is be polite, do what the cops say and you won’t have any trouble” try something for me.
Next time your wife has her period tell her “take some Pepto and walk it off”.
Let me know how she reacts.
Next time your wife has her period tell her “take some Pepto and walk it off”.
Let me know how she reacts.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I don't think that's why he got elected. Maybe part of it, but plenty of intelligent people voted for Donald.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
That actually isn't what most people are saying in here or the other thread(s). As usual on this board, there are two different conversations going on in parallel, with people talking past each other.
1st conversation: "Anytime people get pulled over or detained by the cops, they should be super deferential and compliant. Why? Because it's safe, pragmatic, and a basic sign of respect. Nobody should want to provoke the police. It's a dumb reaction in the moment, it could get you killed. So self preservation suggests you be smart and do what the police say in the moment."
2nd conversation: "Minorities have been targeted by the police for decades and are put in these situations 100x more than white people. Additionally, even if they comply with the police, they face a materially higher chance than white people of being shot for no reason, beaten in custody, or other horrific things. So it isn't exactly a shock - nor is it irrational - that they don't want to comply with the police blindly, in every situation. This is BS, and it appears a sizeable portion of our population doesn't appreciate the seriousness of this situation."
I'm sure somebody could wordsmith the above and make it more accurate, but that's my quick version (while trapped in a car with a wife and 4 kids around 11 years of age) of what folks seem to be saying on this topic. It doesn't really accomplish much to have multiple conversations in parallel, IMO.
Riddick02
Footballguy
Uh...you got that backwards friend. Every man knows to listen and comply to your wife because she's the authority, not vice versa.
Well technically neither are true, but mine's probably more common.
matuski
Footballguy
@gianmarco
I don't think this poll turned out as hoped.
Link
You claimed white people don't have this talk.
Several posters demonstrate white people do have this talk.
You link (to freaking Vox) an article to back up your claim despite being shown to be wrong.
You create a poll hoping to be further backed up.
Half the white responses are to the affirmative, 25% of non white responses to the affirmative.
This is awesome.
I await your explanation to how the term "almost exclusively" = roughly half. And an explanation of how the poll results show more white people (by %) have this talk than non white people.
I don't think this poll turned out as hoped.
Link
You claimed white people don't have this talk.
Several posters demonstrate white people do have this talk.
You link (to freaking Vox) an article to back up your claim despite being shown to be wrong.
You create a poll hoping to be further backed up.
Half the white responses are to the affirmative, 25% of non white responses to the affirmative.
This is awesome.
I await your explanation to how the term "almost exclusively" = roughly half. And an explanation of how the poll results show more white people (by %) have this talk than non white people.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Which talk? The "be respectful to police" talk or the "you might get shot by the police" talk?@gianmarco
I don't think this poll turned out as hoped.
Link
You claimed white people don't have this talk.
Several posters demonstrate white people do have this talk.
You link (to freaking Vox) an article to back up your claim despite being shown to be wrong.
You create a poll hoping to be further backed up.
Half the white responses are to the affirmative, 25% of non white responses to the affirmative.
This is awesome.
I await your explanation to how the term "almost exclusively" = roughly half. And an explanation of how the poll results show more white people (by %) have this talk than non white people.
matuski
Footballguy
People continuously conflating compliance with law enforcement and its relationship to the causes and concerns listed here.
Please explain to me how not complying with a police officer is going to further any of these? Seems to me not complying with law enforcement is a surefire way to experience any and all of them firsthand.
matuski
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
No, that's just my perspective. It's not my poll, so it doesn't really matter how I would have worded it. But when I saw the poll, my first reaction was "this poll isn't really asking the right question."
Anyway, I have a background in stats, survey design, etc. So interpreting polls.....it's tough for me to let go.....I have an illness.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
DallasDMac
Footballguy
This is the second post in a day I have seen you post something like this. I have no skin in the game, but I find it just a really odd attitude. Multitudes of protests and movements trying to garner support and sympathy over these issues. Yet when some of it starts to manifest itself, you choose to mock it. Keep being you, but I am totally befuddled by the attitude. Seems beyond counter-productive.
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Mr.Pack
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TheIronSheik
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Because when I see "angry white man" arguing for white people to treat minorities better, the first thought I always get in my head is something like a WWII movie where as the Americans are closing in on Berlin, a guy tearing off his Hugo Boss uniform and pointing, "Those evil Nazis are over there!"DallasDMac said:
Not comparing white people to Nazis, although I'm sure people have already.
My point is that if you are arguing that white people have been treating minorities bad for centuries, than taking a day off work and holding a protest sign while yelling at other white people doesn't get you off the hook. You're still "the bad guy" too.
But the reality is that we send people to jail for murder and let them out after a couple of years. We don't condemn family members of serial killers because they had nothing to do with their relatives' killing sprees. Yet, we hold EVERY white person accountable for what only some of their ancestors did hundreds of years ago? WTH?
Protests against police don't help the problem. They make it worse. If the goal is to make the relationship better you have to work to make it better, both sides. If you were having marriage problems, you wouldn't protest out on the lawn every time your spouse might have made a mistake. At least not if your goal was to make the relationship better.
The Big Guy
Fear the Blitz
After all these years, why are there not more black police officers working within the black communities? If evil white police officers are to blame and the majority of black towns tend to run Democratic, you would imagine that the police force demographics represent the general populace of the towns that they protect.
So why is this still an issue in the big cities? I understand the point if you tell me Sherrif Coltrane does this in Cobb County Georgia, then it makes a bit more sense that you might run into a racist cop, but if you are in Baltimore, you should see police that look like the population and the problems should not occur and yet they are as bad or worse.
So why is this still an issue in the big cities? I understand the point if you tell me Sherrif Coltrane does this in Cobb County Georgia, then it makes a bit more sense that you might run into a racist cop, but if you are in Baltimore, you should see police that look like the population and the problems should not occur and yet they are as bad or worse.
Pipes
Footballguy
We do? Maybe some white people are trying to help out of the kindness of their heart and not over guilt of what their ancestors did. Just a thought...
jonessed
Footballguy
TheIronSheik
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Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Somewhere there's a stat that shows that black cops have shot more black perps than white cops
dickey moe
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