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2019 College football thread - It's 2020, yo. Go to the new thread. (8 Viewers)
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
The last three schools to join the Big Ten are Rutgers (2014), Maryland (2014) and Nebraska (2011). These three teams lost yesterday by a combined 159-7.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
The explanation at the time was that Rutgers would give the Big Ten exposure in NY/NJ market. They held the big ten basketball tournament at the Madison Square Garden in 2018. I’ve no idea how successful that strategy has been.
Capella
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
How successful has any "Let's capture X market with Y team" really been? How does one measure this? So rutgers fans watch them play Nebraska and not Pitt? This is worth $$$?
Has the big12 monopolized the west Virginia market? Were all the coal mine break rooms glued to Baylor Iowa State?
Politician Spock
Footballguy
ffldrew
Footballguy
Both Notre Dame and Oklahoma earned their 900th win on Saturday. All time records according to Wikipedia:
OU 900-325-53
ND 900-326-42
Not sure why I thought that was interesting.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
ISnt it about expansion of the market for carriage fees of the big ten network?culdeus said:
Not sure what to say about West Virginia other than getting in programs that get to better bowls/more bowl money?
culdeus
Footballguy
The big ten channel is available locally here under most basic package. The nearest team is Nebraska. Do they get more money from a provider for having a closer team?
Tecumseh
Footballguy
Lots of people in my section left at the half.Was just thinking about how much it must suck to be a Nebraska fan at this game. At this point you'd have to be trying to decide whether you want to sit through another hour and a half of this or just leave during halftime.
Also, yeah, probably.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
was the big ten channel available on most basic packages prior to Nebraska joining the big 10 in 2012? If not, then that would seem to be a point in favor of Nebraska being added. I have no idea if Nebraska specifically moved the needle in Texas, but the theory is that getting into new markets causes those cable providers to want to add the big ten network and put it in packages, which means more money for the Big Ten.
also, in googling, i am reminded that, at the time, conferences were required to have 12 teams in order to split into divisions and have a championship game, so that was at least part of the impetus.
i also assume that the Big Ten saw some value in Nebraska's research facilities, which should not be forgotten when it comes to this conference, though most of the surface stuff that I recall is that Nebraska is also not a clear positive in this regard.
jplvr
Footballguy
I feel like "opening lines" have gotten worse since I gambled. I'm guessing someone used a preseaon line yesterday when putting everyone into a frenzy over Florida -7.5. Most people can't even bet with their local books until Monday, and places like Donbets didn't even post actual lines until later on Sunday. My friends and I used to wait for those to post every week, and we'd have games to see who could guess them correctly. IOW, it's all pretty much BS until Monday, so I don't understand why people freak out as much as they do over Sunday line postings.
pantherclub
Footballguy
After watching Jalen H now for the second time this year I have to ask? Does he have potential in the NFL as a qb? He was amazing on saturday and looks huge as well. A lot bigger than I remember him at bama
Capella
Footballguy
He’s going to get drafted pretty high. Not sure where but I’d guess first 3 rounds.
The Commish
Footballguy
Looks like Schiano is coming back to Rutgers. 
Time to turn those boys into Schiano menLooks like Schiano is coming back to Rutgers.
culdeus
Footballguy
The main goal of these merges is to provide value to the conference administrators in the form of salaries, and to get stable TV money so schools can pay big salaries to their own administrators and fund things like capital campaigns through loans back to boosters banks. Conference championship games are a huge part of this, as they generate a huge windfall for the conference admins for sure.
There's not a single shared research project on the planet that has EVER been held up because one school doesn't play another school in football. All this fluff and nonsense about all these shared research facilities is done to just smokescreen the fact that all this revenue just gets eaten by non academic staff, I mean maybe they throw a few grand at some fellowship. BFD. If it helps people sleep better at night knowing someone that isn't playing might get something out of it, great.
My main theory/hypothesis is that none of these conference moves are really adding any value, over just inertia. It's just concentrating the revenue that was there into fewer buckets. Zero sum, whatever you want to call it.
If there is to be expansion/contraction it will be first and foremost done in a way that maintains a lot of sweet gigs in nice offices.
ffldrew
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
you may be right overall. that's different that question of how it works instrumentally.
When you say the bolded, do you mean that the overall NCAA revenue doesn't increase, it just flows more to the power conferences?
WDIK2
Footballguy
@Tom Servo Nebraska's inflatable mascot thing/kid is named Lil' Red. Do not besmirch the proud name of Herbie Husker like that. 
culdeus
Footballguy
Would say that if you went back to 1990 and kept conferences and alignments as they were then, and charted growth, vs. what today looks like the growth and revenue pattern would match within some margin. The main difference is the wealth has concentrated in maybe 60 schools, rather than 80-90. This is why someone like Baylor can finance a new stadium.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
So who's Herbie Husker? I thought that was the inflatable kid's name.@Tom Servo Nebraska's inflatable mascot thing/kid is named Lil' Red. Do not besmirch the proud name of Herbie Husker like that.
WDIK2
Footballguy
Politician Spock
Footballguy
WDIK2
Footballguy
You're way behind the times. Lil' Red has to be almost 20 years old by now. (almost as old as Nebraska's last conference title) Still not sure what the Reagan-era Herbie is doing with his hands here.Politician Spock said:
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
https://cbsaustin.com/news/offbeat/football-legends-heisman-trophy-up-for-sale-at-auction
RIcky Williams selling Heisman
RIcky Williams selling Heisman
WDIK2
Footballguy
Looks like Williams sold it in 2014 to a collector who is now selling it. Doesn't the school get one to display also? Or is that a replica?
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
SMU in the top 25 for the first time since they received the death penalty in 1986
General Malaise
Footballguy
That's pretty cool. Sonny Dykes seems like a decent guy. His quotes in the Mike Leach coaching tree article in the Athletic were pure gold.
Mad Cow
Welshers and Dawdlers Beware!
Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
More evidence of the snowflakes we have become in our country. Everyone gets a trophy, no score games, don’t say anything that is against me, etc.
To bad that they apologized for it, they should have doubled down.
If you don't want to be trolled, don't make the roadie to the other team's field.
RUSF18
Footballguy
Yes, which is why adding Rutgers and Maryland was so valuable to the B1G. Fees for BTN at the time were something like $0.40/month in states that didn't have an in-conference school, and about $1.05/month if there was a school in the state. From Cablevision alone, which is the biggest in NJ but one of a few majors, the conference received almost an extra $20 million the first year. Add in the other large operators, the rate increases that have taken place since the initial deal, the MD/VA/DC operators, etc and the other schools are absolutely cleaning up thanks to the additions (even before considering the on field results).
I'd rather suffer through another 4 years of Ash's ineptitude than have to watch (winning) option football.
In The Zone
Footballguy
Carolina /Clemson 2013 Halftime
This is from the halftime show of the Carolina - Clemson game from 2013. Olde Macdonald and Dueling Banjos. Also watch when they show the video board.
Side note: The Randy Lucas they refer to is my 1st cousin and a Clemson fan. His daughter is in the Bluegrass band as well and was a USC student at the time.
Let the snowfall begin.
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Beef Ravioli
Footballguy
What was from 2013? The article posted by @Mad Cow?This is from the halftime show of the Carolina - Clemson game from 2013. Olde Macdonald and Dueling Banjos. Also watch when they show the video board.
Side note: The Randy Lucas they refer to is my 1st cousin and a Clemson fan. His daughter is in the Bluegrass band as well and was a USC student at the time.
Let the snowfall begin.
Capella
Footballguy
ffldrew
Footballguy
Mad Cow
Welshers and Dawdlers Beware!
Mine was from this past weekend. I doubt there were any bandwagon Clempson fans to make fun of in 2013.
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