Joe Mammy
Footballguy
Trump also said repeatedly that the virus would ultimately go away thanks to “herd mentality”. It was unclear whether he meant to say “herd immunity”.
The Sheep get it.
The Sheep get it.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
He's unfit.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Probably both. Herd mentality leading to herd immunity.
Reducing deaths by implementing simple mitigation measures like wearing masks, avoiding large gatherings, avoiding indoor activities, hand washing and maintaining physical distancing is for suckers and losers.
Reducing deaths by implementing simple mitigation measures like wearing masks, avoiding large gatherings, avoiding indoor activities, hand washing and maintaining physical distancing is for suckers and losers.
squistion
Footballguy
If, when talking about COVID, Biden had referred to "herd mentality" there would be a dozen posts in various threads on this forum pointing to that as further proof of his continuing mental deterioration. Of course Trump will get a pass on this by his supporters and defenders.
Also from the same town hall:
Trump: "A lot of people think the masks are not good." Asked who they are, Trump says I'll tell you who they are: "Waiters."
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
OK - so he misspoke. I would think the more important focus would be on the question of whether or not a herd immunity approach is the "official" US government plan to address the virus. Because they've had at least 10 months to form a gameplan, and as far as I can tell its still a completely haphazard situation. The good news perhaps is that we have all long ago accepted the fact that what Trump says is highly unlikely to bear any relationship to actual facts or policy, so that's the good news. I've read that a herd immunity approach would result in an estimated 2-3 million deaths.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
One other thing I noted in the ABC talk last night is he repeatedly blamed Joe Biden for the spread of coronavirus in the US, and specifically criticized the democratic candidate for failing to implement a nation-wide mask policy, even while denying that masks are necessarily helpful in containing the virus.
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CentralPA
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
zoonation
Footballguy
This is the part that blows my mind. Do his supporters actually fall for this? Biden hasn’t been in govt for 4 years and, the last time he was, he was basically Obama’s yes man.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Not sure
HERD
HERD
spodog
Footballguy
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I agree. I wish more would post about Trump mistakes here instead of giving him a free pass all the time. Righties are taking this place over.
That's also how it works. It's those other people who are hypocritical.Tolstoy said:
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[scooter]
Footballguy
The issue, I think, is not about a candidate's most ardent defenders. Those people will follow their candidate to hell and back.Joe Bryant said:
The issue is whether the average voter (who would not describe themselves as a "defender" of either candidate) should give a pass to a candidate who doesn't understand science -- or, who does understand science but believes in an unproven theory while simultaneously lacking the fortitude to officially implement it.
squistion
Footballguy
Herd mentality?
New York Post @nypost 1h
Maskless flash mob' marches through Target shouting 'take off that mask'
https://nypost.com/2020/09/16/anti-maskers-march-through-target-tell-shoppers-to-take-off-that-mask/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1306068005235896320 (YouTube video clip at link)
New York Post @nypost 1h
Maskless flash mob' marches through Target shouting 'take off that mask'
https://nypost.com/2020/09/16/anti-maskers-march-through-target-tell-shoppers-to-take-off-that-mask/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow
https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1306068005235896320 (YouTube video clip at link)
Joe Mammy
Footballguy
I saw that video running rampant on Reddit this morning. Florida no less. They even had children chanting with them on their rant/march through the store. I hope this kind of behavior does not become trendy with the anti-masker covidiots.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
“I don’t take any responsibility at all.”
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Da Guru said:
beautiful
Sabertooth
Footballguy
This is a particularly patronizing response. I personally wouldn't be cool with my president making fun of handicapped reporters or bragging of grabbing women in the ##### without their consent. So don't paint this with some type of false equivalency. It's not the same on both sides at this point. You know it's not.That's also how it works. It's those other people who are hypocritical.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
So we finally learn who "a lot of people" are. I was wondering if he'd reveal his sources.
zoonation
Footballguy
Absolutely disgusting: https://twitter.com/amerindependent/status/1306343848680054784?s=21
who cares how many reporter questions Biden has fielded? This guy is a (I don’t want to get suspended).
who cares how many reporter questions Biden has fielded? This guy is a (I don’t want to get suspended).
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Where were you when Biden said the fires in CA are Trump's fault? And that they would continue unless he was elected President?
Who is the disgusting one again? Maybe both are.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
If you're gonna play that how about your president getting handsy with underage girls and a little too touchy/feely with old ladies?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Hey @AAABatteries !“I remember these numbers so well“
I noticed you skipped right over my post (which was right after the one you quoted) to get a laugh in at Trump instead. Any thoughts on Biden blaming Trump for the CA wildfires? Are you disgusted about that too?
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H Jass
Footballguy
I wonder if he takes out the blue states if he’s talking about positive economy news, or job numbers?
squistion
Footballguy
Biden didn't blame Trump for the current wildfires:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/is-doomsday-here-biden-calls-trump-a-climate-arsonist-as-california-burns
'Is doomsday here?': Biden calls Trump a 'climate arsonist' as California burns
Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden ripped President Trump for denying climate change as much of the country's west is ravaged by wildfires and is blanketed by an orange haze of smoke.
"If you give a climate arsonist four more years in the White House, why would anyone be surprised that more of America is ablaze?" Biden asked reporters during a speech in Delaware.
Trump wasn't to blame for the recent spate of fires, hurricanes, and floods, according to Biden. But the two-term vice president warned that if voters reward the incumbent with a second term, "these hellish events will continue to become more common, more devastating, and more deadly."
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
The 2-3 million death estimate assumes no mitigation efforts or improvements in medical care, including a vaccine.CletiusMaximus said:
KingPrawn
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
How many need to be infected to achieve herd immunity?
70%
328.2M USA population
230M need to be infected and recover if our national policy is herd immunity by natural infection.
CURRENTLY
6.64M cases
196K deaths
2.97% death rate
6.82M predicted deaths? probably not.
case fatality ratio (CFR) is a little more complex than simply categorized deaths / confirmed cases while we are in the middle of an ongoing pandemic. that’s bc there will be a significant number of cases which are asymptomatic, or mild cases which are neither tested or counted.
what is the true death rate of Covid-19? it varies wildly by country and region bc of demographic variance and other factors.
BTW we don’t know for sure positive for antibodies means you can’t be infected against I have antibodies but live like I never had it. but apparently the administration is rolling the dice that it is true.
if the CFR is 0.03% (for clarity, 1/10 of current raw numbers), we’re looking at 682K Covid-19 deaths to gain herd immunity ahead of the vaccine.
friendly reminder there are currently no proven therapeutics. hydroxychloroquine has not proven to be effective, nor has convalescent plasma. we have anecdotes, not data.
ASIDE - we won’t know infection fatality ratio (IFR) for some time so we have to rely on CFR for now.
700K? 7M? we’re good with that?
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Though it’s far more complicated than your explanation, suffice it to say I think a strategy for pandemic management based on natural herd immunity is foolish.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Yeah I struggled with how much detail to throw up there. No one around here wants to read a wall of words.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
If we could achieve a herd mentality that believed in masks, social distancing, and science, it actually would help fight COVID.
spodog
Footballguy
A combination of herd immunity via natural spread and the acceptance and distribution of vaccines is currently the trajectory that almost every country in the world is on to control COVID-19.
It is also the method that has been used to effectively put Measles, mumps, polio, and chickenpox into the controllable category.
https://www.gavi.org/sites/default/files/vaccineswork/2020/Herd-immunity.pdf
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Key word bolded. And that’s the long term plan. In the short term, we actually want to slow natural spread via widespread NPI.
Note, this strategy actually prolongs the time it takes for natural herd immunity to develop. We’re trying to minimize our losses from covid-19 until an effective vaccine is available.
