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False Start said:
jdoggydogg said:
False Start said:
jdoggydogg said:
fantasycurse42 said:
Can we say for certain he was killed at that diner?
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No, and anyone who thinks he's dead for sure is deluding themselves.
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Just watched the final episode and there is no doubt in my mind Tony was killed. I wish we would have been able to see how the big man got offed even though we know it was the Members Only guy with a hand gun of sorts. But the POV shots and how David Chase put it together is beyond golden.

The best episodes of the entire series are the last two episodes of Season 5 in my eyes.

Anyone who knows stuff about cinematography and how shots are placed know that he is dead. The POV shots after every time he hears the bell and looks up they show a shot of what he sees, he sees black for an extended period of time after the last bell. Keep holding out hope though.
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I really don't care if Tony's dead. He was a sociopath. What interests me is these assertions. The contention that Tony is dead has taken on properties of religion. People point to all the "evidence" while choosing to ignore the fact that no such death is shown. Again...I...don't...care if he's dead or not. I'm just not willing to assert something as factual when it very clearly is not.
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Not my fault you and some other can not see what David Chase is trying to show people with the patterns and the cinematography. How the POV shots and the bell and Tony looking up every time he hears it is important to understanding the end. He doesn't hear the bell every time and part of the ending tries to show you that that you are seeing his POV.

Here is a great in depth break down by someone much more knowledgeable than any of us.
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Again, he doesn't get killed on screen. Perhaps this is my autism speaking, but don't call something evidence when it isn't. You're bringing up implications, not proof.

 
I love it when the boys went to the Russian's apartment:

Chris: We didn't wake you, did we?

Paulie: .....or the other thirty people who live here?


:lmao:

 
Something I never understood about the Tony-Junior storyline:

When Tony was shot by Junior, everyone had been in the understanding that Junior was suffering from dementia. After his recovery, Tony made it clear he didn't care for and wanted nothing to do with Junior. I had assumed that this was because, although he knew the shooting happened because of Junior's dementia, Tony couldn't bring himself to care about the man who almost killed him. Yet in the last episode when Tony goes to see Junior, he seems surprised that Junior actually doesn't remember anything and Tony's demeanor turns to sadness. So did Tony originally think Junior was faking it when he shot Tony, and that was the reason he had since always spoke with hatred regarding Junior?

 
Popinski said:
Something I never understood about the Tony-Junior storyline:

When Tony was shot by Junior, everyone had been in the understanding that Junior was suffering from dementia. After his recovery, Tony made it clear he didn't care for and wanted nothing to do with Junior. I had assumed that this was because, although he knew the shooting happened because of Junior's dementia, Tony couldn't bring himself to care about the man who almost killed him. Yet in the last episode when Tony goes to see Junior, he seems surprised that Junior actually doesn't remember anything and Tony's demeanor turns to sadness. So did Tony originally think Junior was faking it when he shot Tony, and that was the reason he had since always spoke with hatred regarding Junior?
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I took the surprise as more like "wow I can't believe how bad this/he is", as opposed to "wow I guess he wasn't faking".

 
I think it's more a case of Tony not believe something until he sees it. Remember how pissed he was when Junior made the varsity athlete cracks early in Season 5, but once his doctor, whom he randomly ran into at the golf course, told Tony how far gone Junior was then (which was peanuts compared to Season 6), he softened his attitude towards him. Same thing with Junior shooting him; it's doubtful that Tony had any idea that Junior had gotten as bad as he had, even prior to the beating he got in Remember When which made him even worse, and when he saw him in the 2nd to last scene of the finale, he was both shocked and saddened it.

 
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Raider Nation said:
Paulie had some great lines.

"He pisses in a BAG now?"
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I can never separate Paulie's facial expressions from the lines. If I was reading his lines in a novel, they would come off as funny, but it's that face that elevates each and every sentence.

When I think of the remember Pearl Harbor line, it's always with him sticking his jaw out, raising his hand--totally certain of his position on the matter.

 
Best Paulie face ever is looking out the car window, totally disheveled and defeated at the end of Pine Barrens. Cracks me up with that music playing.

 
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RBM said:
Best Paulie face ever is looking out the car window, totally disheveled and defeated at the end of Pine Barrens. Cracks me up with that music playing.
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Chris's intervention.

Dark Horse: When he backs off of Gary LaManna before cracking the guy in the skull with the shovel.

 
Or the look on his face right before he steals the giant coffee cup or whatever in 46 Long.

"Oh, again with the rape of the culture? Can we go find these spice girls and get this over with?"

And then he nabs it. :lol:

 
My favorite Paulie moment is after he confronts Chris about paying the tab at the restaurant and the server ends up dying after getting hit with a brick.

"Whoa! This guy is ####ed!"

Edit: Actually, Paulie in that scene period was golden.

 
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The best "Paulie Face" BY A MILE was when he was furious with Chrissy and he was about to use his lawn to go off-roading in the Caddy.

 
"Arthur, please grow up. Does the mind not rebel at any possible scenario under which dentists are sending The Don of New Jersey first class on a Norwegian steamship? Come on, Arthur. Somebody donated their knee caps for those tickets!"

 
Rosalie Aprile had a small cameo in the californication series finale last night. Wouldn't even have recognized her until she spoke. Still wasn't sure if it was her until the credits.

 
I think the most annoying scene ever is when Carmela gets the phone call about Jackie Jr's death and when you see the shots of the sister on the phone, you can hear Rosalie in the background wailing like a 17-year old whose boyfriend just broke up with her via a Facebook status.

 
One of the funniest scenes in my opinion was the Christopher intervention. When Sil says his piece about walking into the Bing and seeing him with his head halfway in the toliet and his hair touching the water then says "disgusting." I have no idea why but I died laughing when he said that. I just finished the series on Amazon Instant Video. It was a great series and the ending has grown on me in the past 2 days since watching it.

 
JShare87 said:
One of the funniest scenes in my opinion was the Christopher intervention. When Sil says his piece about walking into the Bing and seeing him with his head halfway in the toliet and his hair touching the water then says "disgusting." I have no idea why but I died laughing when he said that. I just finished the series on Amazon Instant Video. It was a great series and the ending has grown on me in the past 2 days since watching it.
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That was easily one of most mentioned scenes over the last 100 pages.

 
You know this show was amazing that after all these years it still gets bumps. It will be like Seinfeld in that 25 years from now, people will still reference it and write articles about it.

What current/recent shows will leave this legacy?

 
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Ilov80s said:
You know this show was amazing that after all these years it still gets bumps. It will be like Seinfeld in that 25 years from now, people will still reference it and write articles about it.

What current/recent shows will leave this legacy?
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Game of thrones

Breaking bad

Mad men

 
Did Ralphie have ulterior motives when telling Jackie Junior and his friend about the poker heist that he missed out on when Tony hit Feche's game as a kid?

He was not setting up Junior was he?

 
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NewlyRetired said:
Did Ralphie have ulterior motives when telling Jackie Junior and his friend about the poker heist that he missed out on when Tony hit Feche's game as a kid?

He was not setting up Junior was he?
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In a weird, unconventional way......I think Ralph was actually looking out for Jr.
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I disagree. I think Ralphie wanted to see Jackie crash and burn. He is the one who ultimately decided to whack him.

 
Balco said:
Thunderlips said:
NewlyRetired said:
Did Ralphie have ulterior motives when telling Jackie Junior and his friend about the poker heist that he missed out on when Tony hit Feche's game as a kid?

He was not setting up Junior was he?
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In a weird, unconventional way......I think Ralph was actually looking out for Jr.
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I disagree. I think Ralphie wanted to see Jackie crash and burn. He is the one who ultimately decided to whack him.
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Not really. You didn't read between the lines of the conversation between Tony and Ralph.

 
Balco said:
Thunderlips said:
NewlyRetired said:
Did Ralphie have ulterior motives when telling Jackie Junior and his friend about the poker heist that he missed out on when Tony hit Feche's game as a kid?

He was not setting up Junior was he?
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In a weird, unconventional way......I think Ralph was actually looking out for Jr.
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I disagree. I think Ralphie wanted to see Jackie crash and burn. He is the one who ultimately decided to whack him.
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I think that was last straw; ala Tony with Christopher.Plus, I forget...was there something that Ralphie was involved in that Jr. knew that he didn't want Tony finding out? To me, "The Hair Apparents" failure was actually a failure of Tony's inability to see that this kid would have thrived in The Family Business.Tony was blinded by both his commitment to Jackie Sr. and his fears of how A.J. was going to turn out. To that, Ralph was the only one who encouraged Jr. to embrace his potential in something that he could do.

 
I'm sure Ralph was afraid that his story at the kitchen table would come out, thus making the robbery "his idea"...

But Tony told him that "the important thing is that action is taken in a timely fashion."

What "action" is required if he was suggesting to let him live?

 
Raider Nation said:
Balco said:
Thunderlips said:
NewlyRetired said:
Did Ralphie have ulterior motives when telling Jackie Junior and his friend about the poker heist that he missed out on when Tony hit Feche's game as a kid?

He was not setting up Junior was he?
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In a weird, unconventional way......I think Ralph was actually looking out for Jr.
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I disagree. I think Ralphie wanted to see Jackie crash and burn. He is the one who ultimately decided to whack him.
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Not really. You didn't read between the lines of the conversation between Tony and Ralph.
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I have gone back to those scenes many times.

 
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