☞ Official SOPRANOS Thread (3 Viewers)

[Capella]

http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/06/sopranos_...blue_comet.html

 

[zander_s]

New York found out, correctly so, that Paulie was not top three in management. They knew Soprano and Sil, of course. They guessed correctly that Bobby had jumped up in rank.Paulie might have his own crew but he's never been the management leader type to make big decisions and New York knew this.Stuff may very well come down between Tony and Paulie, but I don't think it has anything to do with Paulie switching sides or ratting Soprano out.

Anyone think Paulie is a bit pizzed off that Bobby moved up to #3 and he didn't?Ofcourse he Bobby deserved a promotion having to be with Janice!!! eeewwww!!

 

[corpcow]

I thought it was Bobby B's job to get it done.

he gave it to paulie who gave it to patsi.

What exactly did Paulie say to Patsi in the bathroom? I first thought he said "so he knows", but could have also been "it's all yours".This is the second time ("I Did it" / "I get it") where some fairly crucial dialogue has been "blurred"....

 

[Morton Muffley]

With everyone seeming to think that the end of the show is going to be about Tony dying, going to jail or his “downfall,” what about the last few episodes building up to something where Tony becomes more powerful and ruthless and does something like take out Phil and whoever else stands in his way. So after all the life-altering experiences and the therapy, etc. Tony just simply comes to grips with who he is and embraces it. ("I get it.")Just saying that after all the other things people have complained about Chase doing, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he ended things on a simple and understated note that is going to piss off a lot of fans.

I'd be very satisfied with that kind of ending.

Agreed. This has been my thinking over the last few weeks and I think it would be dark, powerful, and understandable. Remember, this show began as a fight for Tony's soul (Melfi vs. the Mob). It would not surprise me in the least if Chase knew long ago that Melfi was going to lose that fight. More importantly, it seems that Chase has been making an even darker point. That is, it's one thing to show that analysis is impotent, but quite another to show that Tony is capable of using analysis to make himself a bigger/better gangster (unconsciously perhaps). There have been many points throughout the series where I've felt that his analysis/insight has made him exactly that and while I do not expect Chase to make the point so apparent in the final episodes, I would not be surprised to see Tony on top at the end (i.e. he gains the world but loses his soul in the process). Indeed, I'm reminded of the ending to Crimes and Misdemenaors where Martin Landau character is telling Woody Allen's character that his story is one where a man does terrible things, but instead of being punished by the universe, he finds that he benefits from it.That sounds like an ending Chase could appreciate.

OK, above is my prediction from several weeks ago (before Melfi's shrink brought up any of the sociopath studies) and I'm sticking with it. So to review and expand on my above prediction...almost all of Tony's friends are gone either physically (Christopher, Sil, and Booby) or emotionally (e.g., Paulie, Melfi). Also, I think those of you looking for more fireworks are in for a serious letdown. I think Phil Leotardo is a goner early and Tony's mob position is cemented (i.e. perhaps Little Carmine and the other NY families agree to give Tony a portion of NY as payment for Tony's losses). Then the rest of the epsiode HAS to deal with Tony's blood family. Remember, Chase has typically ended each season with Tony's blood family and I see no reason why he wouldn't end the show with a significant focus here also. My guess is that perhaps AJ offs himself and Carmela and Meadow blame Tony. Thus the final connection between Tony and his loved ones is cut for good. In the end Tony has won the war, but lost everyone that matters to him in the process.

 

[zander_s]

I thought it was Bobby B's job to get it done.

he gave it to paulie who gave it to patsi.

What exactly did Paulie say to Patsi in the bathroom? I first thought he said "so he knows", but could have also been "it's all yours".This is the second time ("I Did it" / "I get it") where some fairly crucial dialogue has been "blurred"....

Could be wrong......but i heard "it's all yours"

 

[Capella]

I thought it was Bobby B's job to get it done.

he gave it to paulie who gave it to patsi.

What exactly did Paulie say to Patsi in the bathroom? I first thought he said "so he knows", but could have also been "it's all yours".This is the second time ("I Did it" / "I get it") where some fairly crucial dialogue has been "blurred"....

"it's yours"

 

[Dave Baker]

With everyone seeming to think that the end of the show is going to be about Tony dying, going to jail or his “downfall,” what about the last few episodes building up to something where Tony becomes more powerful and ruthless and does something like take out Phil and whoever else stands in his way. So after all the life-altering experiences and the therapy, etc. Tony just simply comes to grips with who he is and embraces it. ("I get it.")Just saying that after all the other things people have complained about Chase doing, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he ended things on a simple and understated note that is going to piss off a lot of fans.

I'd be very satisfied with that kind of ending.

Agreed. This has been my thinking over the last few weeks and I think it would be dark, powerful, and understandable. Remember, this show began as a fight for Tony's soul (Melfi vs. the Mob). It would not surprise me in the least if Chase knew long ago that Melfi was going to lose that fight. More importantly, it seems that Chase has been making an even darker point. That is, it's one thing to show that analysis is impotent, but quite another to show that Tony is capable of using analysis to make himself a bigger/better gangster (unconsciously perhaps). There have been many points throughout the series where I've felt that his analysis/insight has made him exactly that and while I do not expect Chase to make the point so apparent in the final episodes, I would not be surprised to see Tony on top at the end (i.e. he gains the world but loses his soul in the process). Indeed, I'm reminded of the ending to Crimes and Misdemenaors where Martin Landau character is telling Woody Allen's character that his story is one where a man does terrible things, but instead of being punished by the universe, he finds that he benefits from it.That sounds like an ending Chase could appreciate.

OK, above is my prediction from several weeks ago (before Melfi's shrink brought up any of the sociopath studies) and I'm sticking with it. So to review and expand on my above prediction...almost all of Tony's friends are gone either physically (Christopher, Sil, and Booby) or emotionally (e.g., Paulie, Melfi). Also, I think those of you looking for more fireworks are in for a serious letdown. I think Phil Leotardo is a goner early and Tony's mob position is cemented (i.e. perhaps Little Carmine and the other NY families agree to give Tony a portion of NY as payment for Tony's losses). Then the rest of the epsiode HAS to deal with Tony's blood family. Remember, Chase has typically ended each season with Tony's blood family and I see no reason why he wouldn't end the show with a significant focus here also. My guess is that perhaps AJ offs himself and Carmela and Meadow blame Tony. Thus the final connection between Tony and his loved ones is cut for good. In the end Tony has won the war, but lost everyone that matters to him in the process.

This might be the first ending I've read that makes any sense. And it would be typical Chase, if there is such a thing.

 

[Capella]

With everyone seeming to think that the end of the show is going to be about Tony dying, going to jail or his “downfall,” what about the last few episodes building up to something where Tony becomes more powerful and ruthless and does something like take out Phil and whoever else stands in his way. So after all the life-altering experiences and the therapy, etc. Tony just simply comes to grips with who he is and embraces it. ("I get it.")Just saying that after all the other things people have complained about Chase doing, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he ended things on a simple and understated note that is going to piss off a lot of fans.

I'd be very satisfied with that kind of ending.

Agreed. This has been my thinking over the last few weeks and I think it would be dark, powerful, and understandable. Remember, this show began as a fight for Tony's soul (Melfi vs. the Mob). It would not surprise me in the least if Chase knew long ago that Melfi was going to lose that fight. More importantly, it seems that Chase has been making an even darker point. That is, it's one thing to show that analysis is impotent, but quite another to show that Tony is capable of using analysis to make himself a bigger/better gangster (unconsciously perhaps). There have been many points throughout the series where I've felt that his analysis/insight has made him exactly that and while I do not expect Chase to make the point so apparent in the final episodes, I would not be surprised to see Tony on top at the end (i.e. he gains the world but loses his soul in the process). Indeed, I'm reminded of the ending to Crimes and Misdemenaors where Martin Landau character is telling Woody Allen's character that his story is one where a man does terrible things, but instead of being punished by the universe, he finds that he benefits from it.That sounds like an ending Chase could appreciate.

OK, above is my prediction from several weeks ago (before Melfi's shrink brought up any of the sociopath studies) and I'm sticking with it. So to review and expand on my above prediction...almost all of Tony's friends are gone either physically (Christopher, Sil, and Booby) or emotionally (e.g., Paulie, Melfi). Also, I think those of you looking for more fireworks are in for a serious letdown. I think Phil Leotardo is a goner early and Tony's mob position is cemented (i.e. perhaps Little Carmine and the other NY families agree to give Tony a portion of NY as payment for Tony's losses). Then the rest of the epsiode HAS to deal with Tony's blood family. Remember, Chase has typically ended each season with Tony's blood family and I see no reason why he wouldn't end the show with a significant focus here also. My guess is that perhaps AJ offs himself and Carmela and Meadow blame Tony. Thus the final connection between Tony and his loved ones is cut for good. In the end Tony has won the war, but lost everyone that matters to him in the process.

Agree with everything you wrote here. Great post.In the end, dying is the easy way out for Tony, and that's not the path I think Chase wants to take here. There's a worse fate than death, and his inability to show some face to NY and control his emotions effectively got his best friend and brother-in-law killed. He'll have to live with that and face it without Melfi.Also, agree with the AJ thing. Maybe Tony beating him around this week will push him over the edge or something. Again, Tony can't keep his emotions in check and it's going to cost him his only son.I hope the show goes down this route somehow.

 

[The Gator]

With everyone seeming to think that the end of the show is going to be about Tony dying, going to jail or his “downfall,” what about the last few episodes building up to something where Tony becomes more powerful and ruthless and does something like take out Phil and whoever else stands in his way. So after all the life-altering experiences and the therapy, etc. Tony just simply comes to grips with who he is and embraces it. ("I get it.")Just saying that after all the other things people have complained about Chase doing, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he ended things on a simple and understated note that is going to piss off a lot of fans.

I'd be very satisfied with that kind of ending.

Agreed. This has been my thinking over the last few weeks and I think it would be dark, powerful, and understandable. Remember, this show began as a fight for Tony's soul (Melfi vs. the Mob). It would not surprise me in the least if Chase knew long ago that Melfi was going to lose that fight. More importantly, it seems that Chase has been making an even darker point. That is, it's one thing to show that analysis is impotent, but quite another to show that Tony is capable of using analysis to make himself a bigger/better gangster (unconsciously perhaps). There have been many points throughout the series where I've felt that his analysis/insight has made him exactly that and while I do not expect Chase to make the point so apparent in the final episodes, I would not be surprised to see Tony on top at the end (i.e. he gains the world but loses his soul in the process). Indeed, I'm reminded of the ending to Crimes and Misdemenaors where Martin Landau character is telling Woody Allen's character that his story is one where a man does terrible things, but instead of being punished by the universe, he finds that he benefits from it.That sounds like an ending Chase could appreciate.

OK, above is my prediction from several weeks ago (before Melfi's shrink brought up any of the sociopath studies) and I'm sticking with it. So to review and expand on my above prediction...almost all of Tony's friends are gone either physically (Christopher, Sil, and Booby) or emotionally (e.g., Paulie, Melfi). Also, I think those of you looking for more fireworks are in for a serious letdown. I think Phil Leotardo is a goner early and Tony's mob position is cemented (i.e. perhaps Little Carmine and the other NY families agree to give Tony a portion of NY as payment for Tony's losses). Then the rest of the epsiode HAS to deal with Tony's blood family. Remember, Chase has typically ended each season with Tony's blood family and I see no reason why he wouldn't end the show with a significant focus here also. My guess is that perhaps AJ offs himself and Carmela and Meadow blame Tony. Thus the final connection between Tony and his loved ones is cut for good. In the end Tony has won the war, but lost everyone that matters to him in the process.

Nice.

 

[Capella]

Is there any sort of prize offered for guessing the correct ending?

Yes. That person never has to read your posts again.

 

[videoguy505]

Is there any sort of prize offered for guessing the correct ending?

Yes. That person never has to read your posts again.

How many times can I enter?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I don't think Silvio is dead.

 

[Righetti]

They've made a bigdeal of Tony not doing any time, maybe this is his way out of trouble (and the grasp of NY).. With his crew now gone and basically nothing left of his entire operation. Leotardo keeps talking about how the entire NJ operation has no respect for their greater goals (no finger pricking, no sword on the table), maybe Tony proves them right and flips on Phil..

Tony does time and the last scene is Melfi walking into the prison.

heard the following on WFAN today as a final piece, Dorris from Regal Park and Joe D from Brooklyn can get credit if these two come out

1)Janice wacks Tony (bloodline of lunacy) for not standing up for BB..

2) Tony helps the FBI on a big bust and walks away as a hero of sorts

 

[Righetti]

another great line from yesterday.. something to the affect of "Let me tell you a couple of three things"

 

[Righetti]

I don't Silvio is dead.

hope or think?

 

[TwinTurbo]

With everyone seeming to think that the end of the show is going to be about Tony dying, going to jail or his “downfall,” what about the last few episodes building up to something where Tony becomes more powerful and ruthless and does something like take out Phil and whoever else stands in his way. So after all the life-altering experiences and the therapy, etc. Tony just simply comes to grips with who he is and embraces it. ("I get it.")Just saying that after all the other things people have complained about Chase doing, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he ended things on a simple and understated note that is going to piss off a lot of fans.

I'd be very satisfied with that kind of ending.

Agreed. This has been my thinking over the last few weeks and I think it would be dark, powerful, and understandable. Remember, this show began as a fight for Tony's soul (Melfi vs. the Mob). It would not surprise me in the least if Chase knew long ago that Melfi was going to lose that fight. More importantly, it seems that Chase has been making an even darker point. That is, it's one thing to show that analysis is impotent, but quite another to show that Tony is capable of using analysis to make himself a bigger/better gangster (unconsciously perhaps). There have been many points throughout the series where I've felt that his analysis/insight has made him exactly that and while I do not expect Chase to make the point so apparent in the final episodes, I would not be surprised to see Tony on top at the end (i.e. he gains the world but loses his soul in the process). Indeed, I'm reminded of the ending to Crimes and Misdemenaors where Martin Landau character is telling Woody Allen's character that his story is one where a man does terrible things, but instead of being punished by the universe, he finds that he benefits from it.That sounds like an ending Chase could appreciate.

OK, above is my prediction from several weeks ago (before Melfi's shrink brought up any of the sociopath studies) and I'm sticking with it. So to review and expand on my above prediction...almost all of Tony's friends are gone either physically (Christopher, Sil, and Booby) or emotionally (e.g., Paulie, Melfi). Also, I think those of you looking for more fireworks are in for a serious letdown. I think Phil Leotardo is a goner early and Tony's mob position is cemented (i.e. perhaps Little Carmine and the other NY families agree to give Tony a portion of NY as payment for Tony's losses). Then the rest of the epsiode HAS to deal with Tony's blood family. Remember, Chase has typically ended each season with Tony's blood family and I see no reason why he wouldn't end the show with a significant focus here also. My guess is that perhaps AJ offs himself and Carmela and Meadow blame Tony. Thus the final connection between Tony and his loved ones is cut for good. In the end Tony has won the war, but lost everyone that matters to him in the process.

I remember Meadow was on Jay Leno ealier this year discussing her emotional moments with the Sopranos cast after shooting her final scene. She was commenting on how difficult it was realizing the show was now over, but a couple of things stood out to me. First, she seemed to give away that she is an integral part of the final episode, maybe even the final scenes. Second she slipped and said Paulie was not on the set that day in response to a question from Leno. I'm not sure if that means anything, but it sounded like he wasn't with the rest of the cast for the final shoots. Even Jay Leno made a note of it jokingly.

 

[Thom Yorke]

I don't Silvio is dead.

Didn't they say that he was still alive but unlikely to regain consciousness? I hope he does somehow make an appearance in the final episode.

 

[Thom Yorke]

They've made a bigdeal of Tony not doing any time, maybe this is his way out of trouble (and the grasp of NY).. With his crew now gone and basically nothing left of his entire operation. Leotardo keeps talking about how the entire NJ operation has no respect for their greater goals (no finger pricking, no sword on the table), maybe Tony proves them right and flips on Phil..

Tony does time and the last scene is Melfi walking into the prison.

heard the following on WFAN today as a final piece, Dorris from Regal Park and Joe D from Brooklyn can get credit if these two come out

1)Janice wacks Tony (bloodline of lunacy) for not standing up for BB... 200-1

2) Tony helps the FBI on a big bust and walks away as a hero of sorts 50-1

 

[corpcow]

another great line from yesterday.. something to the affect of "Let me tell you a couple of three things"

Yep - that was awesome

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

They've made a bigdeal of Tony not doing any time, maybe this is his way out of trouble (and the grasp of NY).. With his crew now gone and basically nothing left of his entire operation. Leotardo keeps talking about how the entire NJ operation has no respect for their greater goals (no finger pricking, no sword on the table), maybe Tony proves them right and flips on Phil.. Tony does time and the last scene is Melfi walking into the prison. heard the following on WFAN today as a final piece, Dorris from Regal Park and Joe D from Brooklyn can get credit if these two come out1)Janice wacks Tony (bloodline of lunacy) for not standing up for BB..2) Tony helps the FBI on a big bust and walks away as a hero of sorts

Tony has been to prison, just nothing that kept him in for any significant amount of time.

 

[Capella]

I don't think Silvio is dead.

Dead as a doorknob.Any thoughts on them mentioning Junior again? Was definitely out of nowhere. Figured his ark, as Chris would say, was done.

 

[TwinTurbo]

They've made a bigdeal of Tony not doing any time, maybe this is his way out of trouble (and the grasp of NY).. With his crew now gone and basically nothing left of his entire operation. Leotardo keeps talking about how the entire NJ operation has no respect for their greater goals (no finger pricking, no sword on the table), maybe Tony proves them right and flips on Phil..

Tony does time and the last scene is Melfi walking into the prison.

heard the following on WFAN today as a final piece, Dorris from Regal Park and Joe D from Brooklyn can get credit if these two come out

1)Janice wacks Tony (bloodline of lunacy) for not standing up for BB..

2) Tony helps the FBI on a big bust and walks away as a hero of sorts

Tony's running out of solidiers. Maybe he enlists Janice to carry out the hit on Phil. Bloody shootout between a psychotic Janice and a ruthless Phil Leotarto with both dying in a blaze of gunfire: 10,000-1

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I don't think Silvio is dead.

Dead as a doorknob.

why so sure?

 

[Capella]

I don't think Silvio is dead.

Dead as a doorknob.

why so sure?

because they said he wasn't going to regain consciousness -- when you hear things like that on the show, that's usually a wrap. sil's gone, his story is over.

 

[Nipsey]

I don't think Silvio is dead.

I'm guessing he's never seen or mentioned again and Raidernation clumsily speculates on his condition here for the next 4-5 years.Bump this post in 2012.

 

[Capella]

I don't think Silvio is dead.

I'm guessing he's never seen or mentioned again and Raidernation clumsily speculates on his condition here for the next 4-5 years.Bump this post in 2012.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I don't think Silvio is dead.

Dead as a doorknob.

why so sure?

because they said he wasn't going to regain consciousness -- when you hear things like that on the show, that's usually a wrap. sil's gone, his story is over.

I guess I missed them saying he wouldn't regain consciousness.I don't doubt that his story is over...I just figured they left open the possibility that he wasn't dead for a reason.

 

[Capella]

I don't think Silvio is dead.

Dead as a doorknob.

why so sure?

because they said he wasn't going to regain consciousness -- when you hear things like that on the show, that's usually a wrap. sil's gone, his story is over.

I guess I missed them saying he wouldn't regain consciousness.

Paulie said it to Tony in Tony's house at the end.

 

[Nipsey]

Two things from the scene in Artie's restaurant.

When Carmela tells Artie and Charmaine that Meadow is going into constitutional law, Artie makes a writing motion (as to sign the Constitution with a feather?). GB Artie, good stuff.

Carmela makes a comment during Charmaine's little knife twisting session wondering if patience and compassion come naturally to Meadow inciting confusion from Tony. What was that about? Carmela just getting lost in the pissing match with Charmaine and selling out Meadow in the process?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Neither Sil nor Junior are dead, but their characters are both done, so there is no need for either of them to be a factor in the finale next week.

 

[gump]

Another great episode in a great year....

- Sil did go out with a bang, I thought...taking out a crew member who questioned T showed that he is/was T's right hand man, and would be by his side to his death.

- Can T possibly let Melfi live? Not only for what she knows, but more for leaving him...

- Does Phil seem as weak a boss to everyone else as he does me? He talks about pretty silly things (finger #####), he lets emotions affect his business negotiations, he yells at T out of the window...I just don't see him making it out of next week alive (or his crew). C'mon...Phil, an old fat dude with glasses, and Butch running NY/NJ?? Too weak.

I think Tony ends up King, kills Melfi for leaving him (and Elliott in the process)...and the show ends with him riding off in the sunset on The Stugots.

 

[Otis]

Why did Paulie drive up near the car the Italians were in, have a quick look, then speed off like he was going somewhere?? (when the kid took Patsi outside to the car and said 'I just picked them up from the airport). At first I thought he was just making sure the Italians were really there since he pawned the responsibility off on Patsi...making sure it was all in place...but Im not so sure

I noticed and questioned this too. Was just a weird scene and weird reaction. Could be a setup for something bigger.

 

[JMJ]

Why did Paulie drive up near the car the Italians were in, have a quick look, then speed off like he was going somewhere?? (when the kid took Patsi outside to the car and said 'I just picked them up from the airport). At first I thought he was just making sure the Italians were really there since he pawned the responsibility off on Patsi...making sure it was all in place...but Im not so sure

I noticed and questioned this too. Was just a weird scene and weird reaction. Could be a setup for something bigger.

Paulie is in cahoots with Phil.First of all, Paulie has tried this in the past playing both sides of the fence with Johnny Sac and Carmine but just from last night's episode:

1. They (the writers) went out of their way to twice bring up Paulie's name amongst the NY crew and wondering why Paulie's name wasn't listed. See, Phil knows Paulie is in cahoots, but Phil's guys don't. So first when Phil says "the top 3," they assume Paulie, Sil, and Tony. Phil has to jump in and say, "No Bobby Baccala." Then later, the NY guys are hanging out again this time without Phil and one says, "I wonder why we're not going after Goiteire. I mean come on, Bobby Baccala? Wasn't he Junior Soprano's driver just last year?" So like I said, they went out of their way twice to bring up the fact that Paulie isn't part of it even though everyone in the NY thinks he should be. Phil and Paulie have a deal that not even the NY guys know about at this point.

2. When Paulie was told that the hit was called out on Phil he got very defensive saying, "Does the Boss know about this?" Then when they told him to calm down he said something to the effect of how he survived through the all the cross-family bloodshed of the 70's and he's not looking to try his luck again. This shows how Paulie would be much happier cutting a deal and living then looking over his shoulder, engaging in war and dying.

3. He was supposed to be in charge of the Phil hit and Phil just happens to not show up at his goumare's on Friday night? Hmmmmm. I wonder if he was tipped off.

4. This one here is the kicker. Bobby and Sil were both shot dead less then 3 hours before Tony and Paulie go to Tony's house to collect food and supplies. Tony is a nervous wreck packing some canned food in garbage bags and scurrying around. What is Paulie doing? Paulie is looking out the window as calm as could be laughing and checking out AJ's girlfriend saying, "Look at the stems on blondie."

Paulie is a nervous wreck about everything! He is far too calm and collected when at that point, he would have every reason to believe that his life was in serious danger. He wouldn't know that Phil only put a hit out on Bobby, Sil and Tony. Just like all the NY guys, Paulie would of had to assume he would have a hit on him also. We've seen Paulie and how he acts when he's stressed. He wasn't stressed at all. He knows he is safe. How does he know? Because he is in cahoots with Phil.

That's how this plot will play out. Where they go with that and what not I have no idea; but Paulie looked out for himself and himself only and Bobby, Sil, and maybe Tony are going to pay for it.

 

[Otis]

Why did Paulie drive up near the car the Italians were in, have a quick look, then speed off like he was going somewhere?? (when the kid took Patsi outside to the car and said 'I just picked them up from the airport). At first I thought he was just making sure the Italians were really there since he pawned the responsibility off on Patsi...making sure it was all in place...but Im not so sure

I noticed and questioned this too. Was just a weird scene and weird reaction. Could be a setup for something bigger.

Paulie is in cahoots with Phil.First of all, Paulie has tried this in the past playing both sides of the fence with Johnny Sac and Carmine but just from last night's episode:

1. They (the writers) went out of their way to twice bring up Paulie's name amongst the NY crew and wondering why Paulie's name wasn't listed. See, Phil knows Paulie is in cahoots, but Phil's guys don't. So first when Phil says "the top 3," they assume Paulie, Sil, and Tony. Phil has to jump in and say, "No Bobby Baccala." Then later, the NY guys are hanging out again this time without Phil and one says, "I wonder why we're not going after Goiteire. I mean come on, Bobby Baccala? Wasn't he Junior Soprano's driver just last year?" So like I said, they went out of their way twice to bring up the fact that Paulie isn't part of it even though everyone in the NY thinks he should be. Phil and Paulie have a deal that not even the NY guys know about at this point.

2. When Paulie was told that the hit was called out on Phil he got very defensive saying, "Does the Boss know about this?" Then when they told him to calm down he said something to the effect of how he survived through the all the cross-family bloodshed of the 70's and he's not looking to try his luck again. This shows how Paulie would be much happier cutting a deal and living then looking over his shoulder, engaging in war and dying.

3. He was supposed to be in charge of the Phil hit and Phil just happens to not show up at his goumare's on Friday night? Hmmmmm. I wonder if he was tipped off.

4. This one here is the kicker. Bobby and Sil were both shot dead less then 3 hours before Tony and Paulie go to Tony's house to collect food and supplies. Tony is a nervous wreck packing some canned food in garbage bags and scurrying around. What is Paulie doing? Paulie is looking out the window as calm as could be laughing and checking out AJ's girlfriend saying, "Look at the stems on blondie."

Paulie is a nervous wreck about everything! He is far too calm and collected when at that point, he would have every reason to believe that his life was in serious danger. He wouldn't know that Phil only put a hit out on Bobby, Sil and Tony. Just like all the NY guys, Paulie would of had to assume he would have a hit on him also. We've seen Paulie and how he acts when he's stressed. He wasn't stressed at all. He knows he is safe. How does he know? Because he is in cahoots with Phil.

That's how this plot will play out. Where they go with that and what not I have no idea; but Paulie looked out for himself and himself only and Bobby, Sil, and maybe Tony are going to pay for it.

Sounds logical to me. I see Tony putting one in Paulie somewhere in the second half hour.

 

[Raider Nation]

Carmela makes a comment during Charmaine's little knife twisting session wondering if patience and compassion come naturally to Meadow inciting confusion from Tony. What was that about? Carmela just getting lost in the pissing match with Charmaine and selling out Meadow in the process?

Carm is disappointed that Meadow won't be a doctor.Asking that rhetorical question is Carm's way of making herself feel better. False justification.

 

[Raider Nation]

another great line from yesterday.. something to the affect of "Let me tell you a couple of OR three things"

fixedMy pops used to use that expression.

 

[Capella]

When have we ever been thrown a curveball like that? I just don't see it. I'm more willing to buy Morton's theory -- Tony gets his against NY early, gets a little bit of power and then they deal with his real family.

 

[Raider Nation]

Re: Whether or not the Ukranian girl was Phil's goomar:Couldn't a Sopranos historian (likely RaiderNation) pull up the episode where Tony had Phil's restaurant blown up? (I think the finale of the first part of this season.) He opens the door for an attractive blonde girl, walks her out of the car, and then both are thrown backwards by the explosion.

Ohhhhhhhh... I think you are right on the money here! It was Benny who was sitting outside the joint, and he called T to let him listen to the fire trucks. I seem to recall Benny making a comment about Phil and the woman (including an ethnic joke about her) being dumped on their keisters. I'm too exhausted at the moment to go back and review the discs, but I'm pretty sure that was the same girl who ate the bullets last night.Nice work.

 

[The Ghost of Common]

Why did Paulie drive up near the car the Italians were in, have a quick look, then speed off like he was going somewhere?? (when the kid took Patsi outside to the car and said 'I just picked them up from the airport). At first I thought he was just making sure the Italians were really there since he pawned the responsibility off on Patsi...making sure it was all in place...but Im not so sure

I noticed and questioned this too. Was just a weird scene and weird reaction. Could be a setup for something bigger.

Paulie is in cahoots with Phil.First of all, Paulie has tried this in the past playing both sides of the fence with Johnny Sac and Carmine but just from last night's episode:

1. They (the writers) went out of their way to twice bring up Paulie's name amongst the NY crew and wondering why Paulie's name wasn't listed. See, Phil knows Paulie is in cahoots, but Phil's guys don't. So first when Phil says "the top 3," they assume Paulie, Sil, and Tony. Phil has to jump in and say, "No Bobby Baccala." Then later, the NY guys are hanging out again this time without Phil and one says, "I wonder why we're not going after Goiteire. I mean come on, Bobby Baccala? Wasn't he Junior Soprano's driver just last year?" So like I said, they went out of their way twice to bring up the fact that Paulie isn't part of it even though everyone in the NY thinks he should be. Phil and Paulie have a deal that not even the NY guys know about at this point.

2. When Paulie was told that the hit was called out on Phil he got very defensive saying, "Does the Boss know about this?" Then when they told him to calm down he said something to the effect of how he survived through the all the cross-family bloodshed of the 70's and he's not looking to try his luck again. This shows how Paulie would be much happier cutting a deal and living then looking over his shoulder, engaging in war and dying.

3. He was supposed to be in charge of the Phil hit and Phil just happens to not show up at his goumare's on Friday night? Hmmmmm. I wonder if he was tipped off.

4. This one here is the kicker. Bobby and Sil were both shot dead less then 3 hours before Tony and Paulie go to Tony's house to collect food and supplies. Tony is a nervous wreck packing some canned food in garbage bags and scurrying around. What is Paulie doing? Paulie is looking out the window as calm as could be laughing and checking out AJ's girlfriend saying, "Look at the stems on blondie."

Paulie is a nervous wreck about everything! He is far too calm and collected when at that point, he would have every reason to believe that his life was in serious danger. He wouldn't know that Phil only put a hit out on Bobby, Sil and Tony. Just like all the NY guys, Paulie would of had to assume he would have a hit on him also. We've seen Paulie and how he acts when he's stressed. He wasn't stressed at all. He knows he is safe. How does he know? Because he is in cahoots with Phil.

That's how this plot will play out. Where they go with that and what not I have no idea; but Paulie looked out for himself and himself only and Bobby, Sil, and maybe Tony are going to pay for it.

Sounds logical to me. I see Tony putting one in Paulie somewhere in the second half hour.

It would also validate the episode where Tony and Paulie were on the boat and Tony was having an inner struggle about killing Paulie or not. I can easily see Tony saying something along the lines of "I should have killed him when I had the chance." Just my 2 cents. I think were on to something here.

 

[Ghost Rider]

- Does Phil seem as weak a boss to everyone else as he does me? He talks about pretty silly things (finger #####), he lets emotions affect his business negotiations, he yells at T out of the window...I just don't see him making it out of next week alive (or his crew). C'mon...Phil, an old fat dude with glasses, and Butch running NY/NJ?? Too weak.

To a made guy, a finger ##### is not a silly thing. It is like a rite of passage.

 

[Otis]

When have we ever been thrown a curveball like that? I just don't see it. I'm more willing to buy Morton's theory -- Tony gets his against NY early, gets a little bit of power and then they deal with his real family.

That could be interesting too. Actually, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.The whole show is about this mobster in his family life. It chronicles both sides of his life, the two always seemingly kept separate, but all of these things happening a little too close to home (literally and figuratively). What would be most interesting, and perhaps most poignant, is for the worlds to collide in the end, testing Tony's true meddle as both a mobster and a husband/father.

 

[JMJ]

Why did Paulie drive up near the car the Italians were in, have a quick look, then speed off like he was going somewhere?? (when the kid took Patsi outside to the car and said 'I just picked them up from the airport). At first I thought he was just making sure the Italians were really there since he pawned the responsibility off on Patsi...making sure it was all in place...but Im not so sure

I noticed and questioned this too. Was just a weird scene and weird reaction. Could be a setup for something bigger.

Paulie is in cahoots with Phil.First of all, Paulie has tried this in the past playing both sides of the fence with Johnny Sac and Carmine but just from last night's episode:

1. They (the writers) went out of their way to twice bring up Paulie's name amongst the NY crew and wondering why Paulie's name wasn't listed. See, Phil knows Paulie is in cahoots, but Phil's guys don't. So first when Phil says "the top 3," they assume Paulie, Sil, and Tony. Phil has to jump in and say, "No Bobby Baccala." Then later, the NY guys are hanging out again this time without Phil and one says, "I wonder why we're not going after Goiteire. I mean come on, Bobby Baccala? Wasn't he Junior Soprano's driver just last year?" So like I said, they went out of their way twice to bring up the fact that Paulie isn't part of it even though everyone in the NY thinks he should be. Phil and Paulie have a deal that not even the NY guys know about at this point.

2. When Paulie was told that the hit was called out on Phil he got very defensive saying, "Does the Boss know about this?" Then when they told him to calm down he said something to the effect of how he survived through the all the cross-family bloodshed of the 70's and he's not looking to try his luck again. This shows how Paulie would be much happier cutting a deal and living then looking over his shoulder, engaging in war and dying.

3. He was supposed to be in charge of the Phil hit and Phil just happens to not show up at his goumare's on Friday night? Hmmmmm. I wonder if he was tipped off.

4. This one here is the kicker. Bobby and Sil were both shot dead less then 3 hours before Tony and Paulie go to Tony's house to collect food and supplies. Tony is a nervous wreck packing some canned food in garbage bags and scurrying around. What is Paulie doing? Paulie is looking out the window as calm as could be laughing and checking out AJ's girlfriend saying, "Look at the stems on blondie."

Paulie is a nervous wreck about everything! He is far too calm and collected when at that point, he would have every reason to believe that his life was in serious danger. He wouldn't know that Phil only put a hit out on Bobby, Sil and Tony. Just like all the NY guys, Paulie would of had to assume he would have a hit on him also. We've seen Paulie and how he acts when he's stressed. He wasn't stressed at all. He knows he is safe. How does he know? Because he is in cahoots with Phil.

That's how this plot will play out. Where they go with that and what not I have no idea; but Paulie looked out for himself and himself only and Bobby, Sil, and maybe Tony are going to pay for it.

Sounds logical to me. I see Tony putting one in Paulie somewhere in the second half hour.

It would also validate the episode where Tony and Paulie were on the boat and Tony was having an inner struggle about killing Paulie or not. I can easily see Tony saying something along the lines of "I should have killed him when I had the chance." Just my 2 cents. I think were on to something here.

Yeah. Remember Tony was pressuring him to admit that he was the one who told Johnny Sac about the fat joke. Tony has his suspicions already.

 

[gump]

- Does Phil seem as weak a boss to everyone else as he does me? He talks about pretty silly things (finger #####), he lets emotions affect his business negotiations, he yells at T out of the window...I just don't see him making it out of next week alive (or his crew). C'mon...Phil, an old fat dude with glasses, and Butch running NY/NJ?? Too weak.

To a made guy, a finger ##### is not a silly thing. It is like a rite of passage.

Bad example, but I still think Phil and his two henchman are weak...not exactly Michael, Tom, Al Neri, etc. For all of the talk of Chase making Tony's crew look bad, they still seem stronger than Phil's to me.

 

[Raider Nation]

The whole show is about this mobster in his family life.

Or to hear Chase tell it, it's about a family man who happens to be a mobster. If he thinks anyone originally tuned in to see his interaction with Carmella and the kids, I would submit that he is mistaken. If you remember the previews for this show before the pilot episode back in '99, all you saw was shootouts, fights and Goombas hanging out at the Bing.

Only later did we get sold the bill of goods about how this show is about BOTH his families.

Let's be honest here. 80% of the scenes with Melfi bore most of us to tears. Lorraine Bracco must have nude photos of Chase. Her character outlived her usefulness by the time Livia died.

 

[Raider Nation]

- Does Phil seem as weak a boss to everyone else as he does me? He talks about pretty silly things (finger #####), he lets emotions affect his business negotiations, he yells at T out of the window...I just don't see him making it out of next week alive (or his crew). C'mon...Phil, an old fat dude with glasses, and Butch running NY/NJ?? Too weak.

To a made guy, a finger ##### is not a silly thing. It is like a rite of passage.

Bad example, but I still think Phil and his two henchman are weak...not exactly Michael, Tom, Al Neri, etc. For all of the talk of Chase making Tony's crew look bad, they still seem stronger than Phil's to me.

Al Neri (real name Richard Bright) actually made an appearance in The Sopranos.Anyone remember seeing him?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Tony was worried about Paulie flipping with the Feds, wasn't he? He's worried about staying alive now, not really worried about prison.

 

[Raider Nation]

Tony was worried about Paulie flipping with the Feds, wasn't he?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Tony was worried about Paulie flipping with the Feds, wasn't he?

well, that's not exactly what I meant to say. Wasn't he worried about Paulie talking too much or making some dumb mistake that got Tony in trouble rather than Paulie going to work for NY or whatever?

 

[Raider Nation]

Tony was worried about Paulie flipping with the Feds, wasn't he?

well, that's not exactly what I meant to say. Wasn't he worried about Paulie talking too much or making some dumb mistake that got Tony in trouble rather than Paulie going to work for NY or whatever?

Well, yes. To both.He KNOWS Paulie told John the joke, so he'll always privately wonder where Paulie's loyalty is.

 

[Ghost Rider]

- Does Phil seem as weak a boss to everyone else as he does me? He talks about pretty silly things (finger #####), he lets emotions affect his business negotiations, he yells at T out of the window...I just don't see him making it out of next week alive (or his crew). C'mon...Phil, an old fat dude with glasses, and Butch running NY/NJ?? Too weak.

To a made guy, a finger ##### is not a silly thing. It is like a rite of passage.

Bad example, but I still think Phil and his two henchman are weak...not exactly Michael, Tom, Al Neri, etc. For all of the talk of Chase making Tony's crew look bad, they still seem stronger than Phil's to me.

I am pretty sure that NY has a lot more manpower than Tony's crew does, especially after what has happened to Chris, Bobby, and Sil.