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⚽ Soccer Match-day Thread (3 Viewers)

Chelsea... have themselves to blame here- great effort by them, plenty of missed chances on their end.

CP not the only one, but damn- a real chance to carve some history for himself with the club.

 
That was a hell of a game between Real and Chelsea.  Would've been nice to see CP bang in one of those chances, but those were tough.

Was it just me or was that one of the most biased commentator teams I've ever heard in the Champions' League games?  Felt like they were cheering for Real Madrid.  Their gushing over Real "showing real fight to get back into this" after Benzema's goal was weird.  Really?  Chelsea came into the game down 3-1 AT the Bernabeu and it was Madrid that showed real fight?  LOL.  Ok.

 
encaitar said:
That was a hell of a game between Real and Chelsea.  Would've been nice to see CP bang in one of those chances, but those were tough.

Was it just me or was that one of the most biased commentator teams I've ever heard in the Champions' League games?  Felt like they were cheering for Real Madrid.  Their gushing over Real "showing real fight to get back into this" after Benzema's goal was weird.  Really?  Chelsea came into the game down 3-1 AT the Bernabeu and it was Madrid that showed real fight?  LOL.  Ok.
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it was you.

it's always you.

 
encaitar said:
That was a hell of a game between Real and Chelsea.  Would've been nice to see CP bang in one of those chances, but those were tough.

Was it just me or was that one of the most biased commentator teams I've ever heard in the Champions' League games?  Felt like they were cheering for Real Madrid.  Their gushing over Real "showing real fight to get back into this" after Benzema's goal was weird.  Really?  Chelsea came into the game down 3-1 AT the Bernabeu and it was Madrid that showed real fight?  LOL.  Ok.
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I am at my office today and the only time I had the sound up was for the VAR on Alonso's goal. I thought they might help me understand what the review was all about. They didn't have a clue. It couldn't have been handball since the review confirmed the referee's call rather than being "clear convincing" evidence to the contrary. I think it must have been interference related to Kai being in the goal when the ball went in far post.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
I am at my office today and the only time I had the sound up was for the VAR on Alonso's goal. I thought they might help me understand what the review was all about. They didn't have a clue. It couldn't have been handball since the review confirmed the referee's call rather than being "clear convincing" evidence to the contrary. I think it must have been interference related to Kai being in the goal when the ball went in far post.
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I wasn't listening to their commentary, but I heard the crowd reaction.

if it was interference, I don't know what interference is then. Kai was on the other side of the goal behind Courtois and not interfering with him physically or visually as far as I could tell. he was offsides though... so maybe that? I got caught once trying to come out of the goal and cost my team a goal by being called offsides.

 
Pumas advanced to the CCL final tonight over Cruz Azul.  This underscores NE's terrible choke job giving up the 3 goal lead to Pumas.   This very easily could have been an all MLS final.

Pumas will play the winner of Seattle/NYCFC.   Seattle is up 3-1 going into the second game at Red Bull Arena Wednesday night (NYCFC can't host CCL games at Yankee Stadium).

Whom ever wins from the MLS teams will host the second leg of the final.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
I am at my office today and the only time I had the sound up was for the VAR on Alonso's goal. I thought they might help me understand what the review was all about. They didn't have a clue. It couldn't have been handball since the review confirmed the referee's call rather than being "clear convincing" evidence to the contrary. I think it must have been interference related to Kai being in the goal when the ball went in far post.
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El Floppo said:
I wasn't listening to their commentary, but I heard the crowd reaction.

if it was interference, I don't know what interference is then. Kai was on the other side of the goal behind Courtois and not interfering with him physically or visually as far as I could tell. he was offsides though... so maybe that? I got caught once trying to come out of the goal and cost my team a goal by being called offsides.
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Didn't see it but the talk this morning was that it was handball on Alonso.  They were upset about the two parts of the rule and how it needs to be changed (An accidental handball by the goal scorer gets called back, but an accidental handball by the guy passing to the goal scorer is ok).  

Must have missed their outrage when Middlesbrough's goal was allowed to stand in the FA Cup.

 
B Maverick said:
Didn't see it but the talk this morning was that it was handball on Alonso.  They were upset about the two parts of the rule and how it needs to be changed (An accidental handball by the goal scorer gets called back, but an accidental handball by the guy passing to the goal scorer is ok).  

Must have missed their outrage when Middlesbrough's goal was allowed to stand in the FA Cup.
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hand ball... wow. I didn't see it on the replays, and I know when it might have taken place... just didn't see it happen.

 
El Floppo said:
hand ball... wow. I didn't see it on the replays, and I know when it might have taken place... just didn't see it happen.
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Was talking to my mom who was watching.  She said it must have hit his fingernail....

Tommy Smythe said he thought it was a clear handball. It hit his hand and sat up for him to shoot it.
Rodney Marsch didn't see it hit the hand.

 
B Maverick said:
Was talking to my mom who was watching.  She said it must have hit his fingernail....

Tommy Smythe said he thought it was a clear handball. It hit his hand and sat up for him to shoot it.
Rodney Marsch didn't see it hit the hand.
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That's the problem.

If there are enough people saying it doesn't even look like it hits his hand, then I don't see how there's enough evidence to definitely say it did and overturn it.

I don't like the rule, but if it hit his hand, then it should be disallowed because of the rule, which is clear. However, I'm not convinced it did, even though I THINK it did.

 
gianmarco said:
That's the problem.

If there are enough people saying it doesn't even look like it hits his hand, then I don't see how there's enough evidence to definitely say it did and overturn it.

I don't like the rule, but if it hit his hand, then it should be disallowed because of the rule, which is clear. However, I'm not convinced it did, even though I THINK it did.
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The clear and obvious benchmark is seemingly very subjective. Plus the slowmo replays and freeze frames change everything about how it looks.  

Did the ref check the monitor or was it all the VAR official?  If the ref checked the monitor and decided it was clear to him, then I would have a bit more understanding.   

 
B Maverick said:
Did the ref check the monitor or was it all the VAR official?  If the ref checked the monitor and decided it was clear to him, then I would have a bit more understanding.   
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The refereeing, he (Tuchel) implied, might have been another. Although he stopped short of suggesting that any headline decisions had been wrong, the Chelsea coach said he thought Marciniak should have checked the replay himself before ruling out Marcos Alonso’s goal for handball, rather than allow himself to be guided by the VAR official, Tomasz Kwiatkowski.

“It’s not only today; it was like this in the first leg,” he started to say, when asked about the official, before pausing and noting:

“I told him I am super disappointed that he doesn’t come and check [the footage of the handball] on his own. You should stay the boss and not give the decision to someone sitting in a chair, isolated from the atmosphere. He should stay in charge and check it on his own and explain it better. I thought we deserved more minutes [added on] at the end. Maybe it is too much to ask for in matches like this against this opponent. Listen, we had it in our hands and we were not lucky enough.

 
NewlyRetired said:
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The refereeing, he (Tuchel) implied, might have been another. Although he stopped short of suggesting that any headline decisions had been wrong, the Chelsea coach said he thought Marciniak should have checked the replay himself before ruling out Marcos Alonso’s goal for handball, rather than allow himself to be guided by the VAR official, Tomasz Kwiatkowski.

“It’s not only today; it was like this in the first leg,” he started to say, when asked about the official, before pausing and noting:

“I told him I am super disappointed that he doesn’t come and check [the footage of the handball] on his own. You should stay the boss and not give the decision to someone sitting in a chair, isolated from the atmosphere. He should stay in charge and check it on his own and explain it better. I thought we deserved more minutes [added on] at the end. Maybe it is too much to ask for in matches like this against this opponent. Listen, we had it in our hands and we were not lucky enough.
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I agree with the bolded.  The center ref needs to be making these decisions, the game is his responsibility.  If the VAR official thinks there was something missed, he should buzz down and the center ref takes a look at the monitor.  The center ref knows what he saw and can better judge if he sees something different on replay. Plus he has a feel for the game and how he's calling it.  

 
Ugly, cynical game this far from atlético. Maybe they didn't want to have to dig out of a hole early. Maybe they thought that City's legs will tire in the second half.

Regardless, Atleti don't look like they have any ability to score that needed goal.

Yuck

 
The Z Machine said:
Ugly, cynical game this far from atlético. Maybe they didn't want to have to dig out of a hole early. Maybe they thought that City's legs will tire in the second half.

Regardless, Atleti don't look like they have any ability to score that needed goal.

Yuck
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it aint art, but I think it's the right play for the first half-- with it only one goal, don't let City get any good looks to stretch the lead and wait for that one moment or two to counter and steal something to knot it up.

2nd half... they'll obviously have to open up a bit more and commit more numbers forward to get that goal. 

the question is- do they do it right away or keep going the way they have and then ramp it up for hte last 20-30? can't leave it too late, but also don't want to get ripped open by a City team that lives for the lead so they can do just that.

 
The Z Machine said:
I missed the first 15 of the 2nd as I had to pick up my kids.  Glad they are looking better, but the proof will be on the scoreboard. 
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a raft of subs here for AM with 20 to go.

and right away they go straight down the MC gut and get a good chance (after a slick Felix meg).

 
I can't believe Atletico didn't put one in there.  4 or 5 REALLY good chances in the last 20 mins or so, including that one right at the end that they really should have put in the back of the net.  Crazy to get that good of a wide open look right in front of goal in the last minute.

 
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