scorchy
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There likely wasn't going to be a "next time" until you posted this.
Looks just like her.
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101 Best Songs of 1986 vs 1996: #1 There Is A Light That Never Goes Out - The Smiths / A Long December - Counting Crows (1 Viewer)
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Looks just like her.
scorchy
Footballguy
#82
Shot in the Dark - Ozzy Osbourne
Ozzy's last album with Jake E. Lee was a favorite among me and my faux-metal friends as well as the real metalheads at my school. Ozzy got out of rehab in late '85 and Jake E. had a bunch of songs waiting for him. Most of the lyrics were written by bassist Bob Daisley, who quit before recording began thanks to a fight with the Oz man. Maybe Ozzy was pissed because the words didn't make much sense:
Taught by the powers that preach over me
I can hear their empty reason
I wouldn't listen I learnt how to fight
I opened up my mind to treason
Treason? Really? Anyway, the video is worth watching if only for the big-haired metal ladies cruising down the Sunset Strip in a convertible - especially the one in a cop outfit.
I Wanna Come Over - Melissa Etheridge
I Wanna Come Over was the second single from the prior year's Your Little Secret. I was about to write something about her being a big part of 1997's Lilith Fair, but turns out she never appeared at any of them. Looks like I'm not the one having a Mandela Effect moment, as she has repeatedly tweeted @ people who have made that mistake. No need for me to get on her bad side.
Shot in the Dark - Ozzy Osbourne
Ozzy's last album with Jake E. Lee was a favorite among me and my faux-metal friends as well as the real metalheads at my school. Ozzy got out of rehab in late '85 and Jake E. had a bunch of songs waiting for him. Most of the lyrics were written by bassist Bob Daisley, who quit before recording began thanks to a fight with the Oz man. Maybe Ozzy was pissed because the words didn't make much sense:
Taught by the powers that preach over me
I can hear their empty reason
I wouldn't listen I learnt how to fight
I opened up my mind to treason
Treason? Really? Anyway, the video is worth watching if only for the big-haired metal ladies cruising down the Sunset Strip in a convertible - especially the one in a cop outfit.
I Wanna Come Over - Melissa Etheridge
I Wanna Come Over was the second single from the prior year's Your Little Secret. I was about to write something about her being a big part of 1997's Lilith Fair, but turns out she never appeared at any of them. Looks like I'm not the one having a Mandela Effect moment, as she has repeatedly tweeted @ people who have made that mistake. No need for me to get on her bad side.
massraider
Footballguy
I think Melissa is wrong.
It's common knowledge that all lesbians attend every lesbian event.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
True, I can attest to never getting laid at any of those concerts.
scorchy
Footballguy
Careful. IIRC, there was an i-fight in a music thread earlier this year about whether it was common knowledge in the mid-90s that Melissa is gay.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Jake E Lee was a beast.
krista4
Footballguy
Oh wow, I'd love to read that. It was well known before that (like in '89) in my friend group, but I was in Boston and NY so maybe that mattered? All the people who introduced me to her were gay/lesbian/bi. Maybe just a coincidence.
scorchy
Footballguy
#81
Kundalini Express - Love and Rockets
The other two guys from Bauhaus made a bunch of really good records between ‘85 and ‘96. They got a lot less goth with each one, even scoring a Billboard Top 5 smash in 1990. Kundalini Express is the first single from their second album and sounds downright glammy.
Claire - Jimmy Eat World
Not usually a big emo guy, but I’ll make an exception for Claire. In my top 10 of 90s/00s break-up songs.
Kundalini Express - Love and Rockets
The other two guys from Bauhaus made a bunch of really good records between ‘85 and ‘96. They got a lot less goth with each one, even scoring a Billboard Top 5 smash in 1990. Kundalini Express is the first single from their second album and sounds downright glammy.
Claire - Jimmy Eat World
Not usually a big emo guy, but I’ll make an exception for Claire. In my top 10 of 90s/00s break-up songs.
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scorchy
Footballguy
I just looked it up and may have exaggerated a bit because I thought it involved a particularly cranky poster. I'll try not to lure him back when I start posting songs from the Smiths.
When did you know Melissa Etheridge, KD Lang, George Michael, and Elton John are/were gay?
Turns out it was really just a back-and-forth between Bracie and Bobby with KD Lang at the center. In my defense, it did extend onto page 2 and involved a dead horse emoji.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I have Mr. Crankypants on ignore, so do what you will.
scorchy
Footballguy
That name really hits close to home. The goth/industrial scene tends to be pretty insular, so when I first moved to Philly in '97, it took a good 4-6 weeks of going to Nocturne and drinking alone/dancing around the edges before anyone started talking to me. Just like back in Florida, folks in Philly gave newcomers nicknames before they were brought into the fold. I learned that I had been dubbed Mr. Crankypants. Just how bad did my RBF have to be for a bunch of goths in Philly of all places to think I looked angry and unapproachable?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
never heard of themObscure band The Smiths? Yeah, let's not.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
scorchy
Footballguy
#80
True Colors - Cyndi Lauper
Back in the day, I loved Cyndi Lauper. Mostly because I was really into the WWF. I vividly remember sitting in front of my TV on Monday night in 1985 with my finger on the VCR record button waiting for the World Premiere of the The Goonies 'R' Good Enough video - who can forget Nikolai Volkoff milking a cow in the back of The Fabulous Moolah's truck while singing the Soviet national anthem? The music was always secondary, though I still really enjoy Money Changes Everything and All Through the Night.
True Colors, the lead single from the album of the same name, became her second and final #1 hit For some reason, it's an instant station changer for me. Maybe it's the little kid-like voice. Apparently I'm in the minority on this, as it still held out as anthem among the gay community and has been used in lots of anti-bullying campaigns. My wife, who is even more cynical than I am, somehow has a soft spot for it. So what do I know?
Who Will Save Your Soul? - Jewel
Jewel released her debut record Pieces of You in February 1995 to absolutely zero press or fanfare. Later that year, she was invited to open for Bob Dylan on his North American dates and interest in the album picked up, and eventually exploded to the tune of 12 million copies sold. The second and third singles from Pieces of You both reached #2 on the Hot 100. Debut single Who Will Save Your Soul only made it to #11, but for me, it's easily the best of the bunch.
True Colors - Cyndi Lauper
Back in the day, I loved Cyndi Lauper. Mostly because I was really into the WWF. I vividly remember sitting in front of my TV on Monday night in 1985 with my finger on the VCR record button waiting for the World Premiere of the The Goonies 'R' Good Enough video - who can forget Nikolai Volkoff milking a cow in the back of The Fabulous Moolah's truck while singing the Soviet national anthem? The music was always secondary, though I still really enjoy Money Changes Everything and All Through the Night.
True Colors, the lead single from the album of the same name, became her second and final #1 hit For some reason, it's an instant station changer for me. Maybe it's the little kid-like voice. Apparently I'm in the minority on this, as it still held out as anthem among the gay community and has been used in lots of anti-bullying campaigns. My wife, who is even more cynical than I am, somehow has a soft spot for it. So what do I know?
Who Will Save Your Soul? - Jewel
Jewel released her debut record Pieces of You in February 1995 to absolutely zero press or fanfare. Later that year, she was invited to open for Bob Dylan on his North American dates and interest in the album picked up, and eventually exploded to the tune of 12 million copies sold. The second and third singles from Pieces of You both reached #2 on the Hot 100. Debut single Who Will Save Your Soul only made it to #11, but for me, it's easily the best of the bunch.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Again, why is something on the list if you hate it?
True Colors is OK as far as earnest 80s ballads go. There are a LOT worse out there.
My wife is a huge fan of Brad Paisley and we’ve been to a few of his concerts. At one, Jewel was one of the openers. Girl can yodel!
True Colors is OK as far as earnest 80s ballads go. There are a LOT worse out there.
My wife is a huge fan of Brad Paisley and we’ve been to a few of his concerts. At one, Jewel was one of the openers. Girl can yodel!
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
It’s what I would call my son when he was a baby when he would get fussy.
scorchy
Footballguy
# 79
The Final Countdown - Europe
The first time I heard The Final Countdown, I was at Skateland, and like dozens of other 13-year old boys there, the sheer awesomeness of the keyboard riff pushed me to lightning-fast speeds. I know it gets included on a bunch of “worst song ever” lists, but those voters obviously have no soul (or at least low levels of testosterone). The Final Countdown hit #1 in nine countries, but stalled at #8 in the U.S. Millions of Europeans and Gob Bluth can’t be wrong.
Lovefool - The Cardigans
The Cardigans were a little more hip that their fellow Swedes in Europe. Lovefool blew up in the States when it was included on the Romeo and Juliet soundtrack. Leo and Claire were so great together...
The Final Countdown - Europe
The first time I heard The Final Countdown, I was at Skateland, and like dozens of other 13-year old boys there, the sheer awesomeness of the keyboard riff pushed me to lightning-fast speeds. I know it gets included on a bunch of “worst song ever” lists, but those voters obviously have no soul (or at least low levels of testosterone). The Final Countdown hit #1 in nine countries, but stalled at #8 in the U.S. Millions of Europeans and Gob Bluth can’t be wrong.
Lovefool - The Cardigans
The Cardigans were a little more hip that their fellow Swedes in Europe. Lovefool blew up in the States when it was included on the Romeo and Juliet soundtrack. Leo and Claire were so great together...
scorchy
Footballguy
Yeah. It will get better, but no one would confuse it with 1988 or 1991. When I get towards the end, I'll post the lists of all the #1s from 1986 that didn't make the cut and there are some truly awful entries. 1996 was really just when alt-rock ran out of steam.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I know '86 was bad. By '96 I had given up on alt-rock and moved over to listening to an L.A. station called Groove Radio that played dance, trance, acid, house, etc. - that scene was much more vibrant than the husk of alt-rock that remained in '96. I guess we'll see if any of that makes it into this list here.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yeah, the mid 90s had a couple artists I liked such as Garbage. But the electronic stuff like jungle/drum and bass had started to interest me, as well as some of the darker metal released around that time.
rockaction
Footballguy
Mid 90s was just when pop-punk started jumping the shark and I started looking backward in history for music rather than music of my contemporaries. But I'm still waiting on Ramsay Hunt Experience to talk about Dr. Frank and MTX.
I will say that '86 was pretty bad, too.
I will say that '86 was pretty bad, too.
Bogart
Footballguy
This was the CD case you always made sure spilt out of your backpack when studying at the library. Every girl, regardless cheerleader, roper girl, goth girl, alt girl or nerd girl, knew and loved Jewel. Easy conversation starter and bonus points to you if you convinced them that your personal favorite song was not one of the hits, but Morning Song or Adrian.
15 years later, it was the CD that I played in the car to put my two kids to sleep. So, you know, that was also good.
rockaction
Footballguy
"Lovefool" was interesting because I definitely wanted to do the first consonant that the young woman was emphasizing that I do in the song with that young woman.
Ahem.
I always wanted to be a magician, don't you know?
Sorry. I usually don't do that, but really. C'mon.
Ahem.
I always wanted to be a magician, don't you know?
Sorry. I usually don't do that, but really. C'mon.
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FatMax
Member
It does get some points for being one of the most recognizable opening riffs of the 80's. Probably a close second to Eye of the Tiger.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The Detroit Pistons use it as their opening music.
scorchy
Footballguy
A couple obvious choices will make an appearance but it wasn't my scene at all. I pretty much listened to industrial non-stop in '96 except when working in a kitchen. Alt-rock radio was still king in the back-of-the-house - I might have been stabbed by a co-worker if I tried to put on a Spahn Ranch CD.
scorchy
Footballguy
Seriously? Where is that slacker?
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
That song and the extended opening of Eye In The Sky are arena staples.
scorchy
Footballguy
For me, that role was served by PJ Harvey, especially once she got a video or two played on MTV. And what the hell is a roper?
FatMax
Member
City boy.
Edit - though he could be referring to Roper brand boots, which at the time was a popular option for the cowboy/hick/redneck crowd.
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scorchy
Footballguy
Ahh. So that's why Roddy Piper referred to Tito Santana as a Mexican Goat Roper.
FatMax
Member
There was a girl in high school named Jenny Archer that wore Roper boots. The ones with the frilly thing sticking out toward the toe. She has a great backside and a reputation as being easy, but clearly not for me. I never did get her Ropers off, or anything else for that matter. Sadly, Jewel wasn't around yet to help me seal the deal.
Bogart
Footballguy
Pretty much what FatMax said. The school in question was tiny Angelo State University in West Texas. I was coming from the "big city" of Fort Worth because they gave me money and it was far enough away from home my parents wouldn't visit. But most of the kids, so most of the girls, were from West Texas and either landed at ASU as their safety school or dropped out of Texas A&M or Texas Tech. Even though I was fully into my grunge/alternative/leaving Christian music phase, you quickly learned to admire a pair of Rocky Mountain Jeans, buy yourself a super loud Garth Brooks brush popper button down and learn to two step.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
When alt-rock ran out of steam I delved into Phish. Listened to boatloads of it, traded cassette tapes of live shows, etc, between 97 and 04.
Seems like we all went off and did something else rather than deal with Creed, Nickelback, Limp Bizkit, etc.
Seems like we all went off and did something else rather than deal with Creed, Nickelback, Limp Bizkit, etc.
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Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Netflix had a documentary about the disastrous Woodstock '99. The headlining acts were: Limp Bizkit, Korn and Kid Rock.
That's some serious awfulness, right there.
scorchy
Footballguy
Great doc. Weird that the promoters also booked Sheryl Crow, Jewel, and Alanis, who all had to deal with really misogynistic crap hurled by all the dude-bros. Ugly, ugly times.
massraider
Footballguy
Lead singer of Cardigans.
I was a fan.
I was a fan.
scorchy
Footballguy
#78
You Be Illin’ - Run DMC
Run DMC’s third album rightfully turned the trio* into superstars and helped usher hip-hop into the mainstream. There are almost too many good tracks to choose from and the best of the bunch - It’s Tricky - isn’t eligible because it was put out as a single in early ‘87. You Be Illin’ was the novelty song of the bunch, reaching #29 on the pop charts. More Run DMC to come.
*To be clear, there are three of them but they’re not the Beatles.
Pony - Ginuwine
Like what @Bogart just wrote about learning to two-step, my love of Ginuwine’s debut single Pony stems from a similar when-in-Rome experience. I finished grad school in Florida in May, moved back to my podunk Maryland hometown, and worked the summer at my usual beach restaurant gig. Every Sunday, I read the job ads in the Baltimore Sun, Washington Post, and Philadelphia Inquirer and faxed off resumes from the lone Kinko’s. Crickets.
The beach restaurant closed for the season and I was stuck working as the most educated prep cook in a crappy chain restaurant. The closest goth/industrial club was a 2-hour drive away, so I had to make do with hitting local cheeseball hotspot Liverpool Flying Club with my coworkers almost every night after closing. I quickly learned I was gonna have to compromise my musical snobbery if I was to have any luck at all with the ladies. So yes, I sucked it up and did the dancefloor grind to Pony with big-haired townie girls on many an occasion.
You Be Illin’ - Run DMC
Run DMC’s third album rightfully turned the trio* into superstars and helped usher hip-hop into the mainstream. There are almost too many good tracks to choose from and the best of the bunch - It’s Tricky - isn’t eligible because it was put out as a single in early ‘87. You Be Illin’ was the novelty song of the bunch, reaching #29 on the pop charts. More Run DMC to come.
*To be clear, there are three of them but they’re not the Beatles.
Pony - Ginuwine
Like what @Bogart just wrote about learning to two-step, my love of Ginuwine’s debut single Pony stems from a similar when-in-Rome experience. I finished grad school in Florida in May, moved back to my podunk Maryland hometown, and worked the summer at my usual beach restaurant gig. Every Sunday, I read the job ads in the Baltimore Sun, Washington Post, and Philadelphia Inquirer and faxed off resumes from the lone Kinko’s. Crickets.
The beach restaurant closed for the season and I was stuck working as the most educated prep cook in a crappy chain restaurant. The closest goth/industrial club was a 2-hour drive away, so I had to make do with hitting local cheeseball hotspot Liverpool Flying Club with my coworkers almost every night after closing. I quickly learned I was gonna have to compromise my musical snobbery if I was to have any luck at all with the ladies. So yes, I sucked it up and did the dancefloor grind to Pony with big-haired townie girls on many an occasion.
plinko
Footballguy
I’ll never stop loving.. their other song (98?)
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Sirius
scorchy
Footballguy
#77
Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
No revisiting of 1986 would be complete without some Top Gun. I immediately axed Take My Breath Away from the list of potentials because it sucked to see a cool band like Berlin record such schmaltz, even it did hit #1. Kenny Loggins always was always a bit cheesy anyway, and Danger Zone was way more central to the movie, so it got the nod.
List of artists offered Danger Zone before Kenny, according to Wikipedia: Starship, Toto, Corey Hart, and REO Speedwagon. Yikes.
Peaches - Presidents of the United States of America
The second single released from PotUSA’s prior year debut, Peaches was the band’s only foray into the Billboard Top 40 (though previous single Lump did top the Modern Rock charts in 1995). It also hit #1 in Iceland - do they even have peaches there?
Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
No revisiting of 1986 would be complete without some Top Gun. I immediately axed Take My Breath Away from the list of potentials because it sucked to see a cool band like Berlin record such schmaltz, even it did hit #1. Kenny Loggins always was always a bit cheesy anyway, and Danger Zone was way more central to the movie, so it got the nod.
List of artists offered Danger Zone before Kenny, according to Wikipedia: Starship, Toto, Corey Hart, and REO Speedwagon. Yikes.
Peaches - Presidents of the United States of America
The second single released from PotUSA’s prior year debut, Peaches was the band’s only foray into the Billboard Top 40 (though previous single Lump did top the Modern Rock charts in 1995). It also hit #1 in Iceland - do they even have peaches there?
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Sorry to be late on this. I've spent the past two days alternately doom-scrolling and schadenfreude scrolling.
Like scorchy, I was introduced to MTX by the OG FBG HOFer Beckster*. And Dr. Frank's combination of infectious pop-punk hooks and self-deprecating lyrics were like catnip to me. It's kind of a shame that while I had heard of the band in 1996, I wasn't really familiar with the work, because so much of Love is Dead seems to have been written about the person I was in college. An self-loathing incel with a huge martyr complex and sharp sense of humor that I tried to mostly turn on myself but which could really hurt people if I let it get away from me. I'm thankful that the incel culture on the internet didn't exist then. I managed to never truly let the complex descend into misogyny, but I didn't have an online culture egging me on. I had friends telling me to stop being a douche. I am eternally thankful.
Ba Ba Ba Ba Ba is probably the most sing-alongable song on the album, but Sackcloth and Ashes is the song that speaks to me. It's really about the realization that I had by myself at about the time the album was released in 1996. That I had to start cutting myself some slack and start seeing interactions with people as an opportunity to just have fun and be myself instead of as a referendum on me as a person. I did some online personals, met my future wife, and moved on to being messed up in other more interesting ways.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I don't know if she was there, but I definitely spotted her Subaru.
scorchy
Footballguy
Welcome back! Can I request a vid of you doing karaoke to Ginuwine? A PM is fine.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Let's just say that when my son was moved into the "Ponies" class in daycare, the teachers didn't really appreciate my jokes about him being a huge Ginuwine fan.
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