18 year old leaves house, sues parents to pay for college and living e (1 Viewer)

[Penguin]

I have a strong feeling that she's banging her lawyer

 

[fantasycurse42]

I have a strong feeling that she's banging her lawyer

& friends Dad.

 

[McGarnicle]

I have a strong feeling that she's banging her lawyer

& friends Dad.

Mmm, and the pizza delivery guy. :daydreaming:

 

[fantasycurse42]

I have a strong feeling that she's banging her lawyer

& friends Dad.

Mmm, and the pizza delivery guy. :daydreaming:

:lightbulblightsupontopofhead:

If we could get her together with Belle Knox (Duke Pron girl), you could make

 

[Fat Nick]

She will have it easy for her 20's due to her looks but she's all butn guaranteed no one takes her seriously for the rest of her life.

Meh, so she'll marry some doosh nozzle, #### out some rugrats and never have to work.

She seems more mistress material at this point. I can't imagine many men trusting her further than that.

I feel like you're severely overestimating the power of a guy's #####. There are guys who will put up with just about anything to have a hot piece of ### on his arm.

 

[Henry Ford]

All I know is, I don't gamble and when I see an honors student at a private school with an eating disorder and a drinking problem, I'd bet money there's something very wrong in that house.

'Wrong' and abusive are very different things.

No, they aren't 'totally different.' They're two categories, one of which is wholly within the other. Abuse is wrong. And it's a definite possibility as to what is 'wrong' in a situation like this.

I said very different, not totally. I'm not denying that there is a possibility of sub-standard parenting, but if we assumed that every bratty kid with a substance abuse issue is from a negligent or abusive family, DCFS would have a hard time keeping up.

Honors student is a big part of this equation. A very big part.And yes, sorry for misquoting. I don't know what happened there. I equally disagree with calling a rectangle "very different" from a square.

I've known plenty of honors students that were drinkers and got into general mischief. An intelligent teenage girl with a narcissistic complex and perfection issues can be one of the most destructive beings imaginable.

The other problem is that the wrong people can easily manipulate her. Playing into her alleged abuse and feeding her delusions to get her to do what you want. It sounds like the friends parents are using her as a tool to get at the parents.

I doubt the parents are up for Mother and Father of the year but there's no way these alleged abuses are just coming to light with no criminal actions having been brought against them. She's being fed a line of bull#### and just willingly went along with it because she feels entitled due to her life of privelege. If anything theyre guilty of spoiling her and not preparing her properly for life. She will have it easy for her 20's due to her looks but she's all butn guaranteed no one takes her seriously for the rest of her life.

We're talking bulemia, leaving home during high school, and alleging that her father is inappropriate with her. I'd say that goes beyond some drinking and general mischief.

Why is it shocking that no criminal actions have been taken against a couple of affluent parents?

 

[fantasycurse42]

We're talking bulemia, leaving home during high school, and alleging that her father is inappropriate with her. I'd say that goes beyond some drinking and general mischief.

Why is it shocking that no criminal actions have been taken against a couple of affluent parents?

Quote:

"When DCPP (Division of Child Protection and Permanency) staffers interviewed the teen, her parents, and her two younger sisters, they ultimately "determined that allegation of emotional abuse was unfounded," a letter from DCPP states."

Also, the father was a retired police chief, not the CEO of Wells Fargo, so while they may be comfortable, I don't think they are jet setting by any stretch.

The bolded really stands out to me...

 

[TheIronSheik]

We're talking bulemia, leaving home during high school, and alleging that her father is inappropriate with her. I'd say that goes beyond some drinking and general mischief.

Why is it shocking that no criminal actions have been taken against a couple of affluent parents?

Quote:

"When DCPP (Division of Child Protection and Permanency) staffers interviewed the teen, her parents, and her two younger sisters, they ultimately "determined that allegation of emotional abuse was unfounded," a letter from DCPP states."

Also, the father was a retired police chief, not the CEO of Wells Fargo, so while they may be comfortable, I don't think they are jet setting by any stretch.

The bolded really stands out to me...

 

[Fat Nick]

We're talking bulemia, leaving home during high school, and alleging that her father is inappropriate with her. I'd say that goes beyond some drinking and general mischief.

Why is it shocking that no criminal actions have been taken against a couple of affluent parents?

Quote:

"When DCPP (Division of Child Protection and Permanency) staffers interviewed the teen, her parents, and her two younger sisters, they ultimately "determined that allegation of emotional abuse was unfounded," a letter from DCPP states."

Also, the father was a retired police chief, not the CEO of Wells Fargo, so while they may be comfortable, I don't think they are jet setting by any stretch.

The bolded really stands out to me...

Agreed. They live in a $400K house, which in that part of NJ is an "average" house. I don't get much of a feeling that they're loaded. They probably spend all their money sending their kids to private school, which is admirable. I still think that the "injustice" that this girl feels is all about perspective. She doesn't get her way, so that's not fair, regardless of the general public's perception.

To a girl that age, the worst thing you can do is not let them hang out with their boyfriend or friends. That's akin to kidnapping in a teen's eyes...add an adult (Inglesino) who makes her delusions seem justified, and you get to this point.

 

[lod01]

She will have it easy for her 20's due to her looks but she's all butn guaranteed no one takes her seriously for the rest of her life.

Meh, so she'll marry some doosh nozzle, #### out some rugrats and never have to work.

She seems more mistress material at this point. I can't imagine many men trusting her further than that.

She is going to need to suck a mean ****.

 

[LinusMarr]

She will have it easy for her 20's due to her looks but she's all butn guaranteed no one takes her seriously for the rest of her life.

Meh, so she'll marry some doosh nozzle, #### out some rugrats and never have to work.

She seems more mistress material at this point. I can't imagine many men trusting her further than that.

She is going to need to suck a mean ****.

LOL

 

[Koya]

She sounds like a spoiled brat.

Well the dad had mentioned how he was very "liberal" so its not suprising they have a spoiled, entitled brat for a kid. Well deserved id say

You are such a one trick pony.

Don't bother feeding the drivel. It's aliai like that which I can just ignore because you know that they being nothing of value to the convo.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

I haven't read this thread, but I did read the initial article and would suspect it has a lot to do with the weasel attorney that includes the amount of his hefty fees and pumped up living expenses for letting her stay there. Whe is probably spoiled but she is also just 18 and easily swayed.

 

[Insein]

All I know is, I don't gamble and when I see an honors student at a private school with an eating disorder and a drinking problem, I'd bet money there's something very wrong in that house.

'Wrong' and abusive are very different things.

No, they aren't 'totally different.' They're two categories, one of which is wholly within the other. Abuse is wrong. And it's a definite possibility as to what is 'wrong' in a situation like this.

I said very different, not totally. I'm not denying that there is a possibility of sub-standard parenting, but if we assumed that every bratty kid with a substance abuse issue is from a negligent or abusive family, DCFS would have a hard time keeping up.

Honors student is a big part of this equation. A very big part.And yes, sorry for misquoting. I don't know what happened there. I equally disagree with calling a rectangle "very different" from a square.

I've known plenty of honors students that were drinkers and got into general mischief. An intelligent teenage girl with a narcissistic complex and perfection issues can be one of the most destructive beings imaginable.The other problem is that the wrong people can easily manipulate her. Playing into her alleged abuse and feeding her delusions to get her to do what you want. It sounds like the friends parents are using her as a tool to get at the parents.

I doubt the parents are up for Mother and Father of the year but there's no way these alleged abuses are just coming to light with no criminal actions having been brought against them. She's being fed a line of bull#### and just willingly went along with it because she feels entitled due to her life of privelege. If anything theyre guilty of spoiling her and not preparing her properly for life. She will have it easy for her 20's due to her looks but she's all butn guaranteed no one takes her seriously for the rest of her life.

We're talking bulemia, leaving home during high school, and alleging that her father is inappropriate with her. I'd say that goes beyond some drinking and general mischief.

Why is it shocking that no criminal actions have been taken against a couple of affluent parents?

Often times bullemia is not sonething that comea from a middle class or poor home. I don't know the exact stats but I feel that its usually more teens of affluent families that are more likely to have the problem. As for the allegations of inappropriate behavior, if they were never made before now by teachers, friends or colleagues, and the the two younger sisters say nothing I'm inclined to believe the parents more then a vengeful teen girl.

 

[LinusMarr]

She sounds like a spoiled brat.

Well the dad had mentioned how he was very "liberal" so its not suprising they have a spoiled, entitled brat for a kid. Well deserved id say

You are such a one trick pony.

Don't bother feeding the drivel. It's aliai like that which I can just ignore because you know that they being nothing of value to the convo.

Someones speedo is a little too tight today i see...

 

[Zow]

I haven't read this thread, but I did read the initial article and would suspect it has a lot to do with the weasel attorney that includes the amount of his hefty fees and pumped up living expenses for letting her stay there. Whe is probably spoiled but she is also just 18 and easily swayed.

Those fees are in the ballpark of reasonable and in civil litigation it is common to request the other side pay your attorney's fees.

 

[fatness]

When Rachel Canning sued her parents, Elizabeth and Sean Canning, for kicking her out at 18 and cutting her off financially, they blamed Rachel’s former boyfriend Lucas Kitzmiller for creating a rift in the family. But Lucas’ father, Jeffrey Kitzmiller, says in a new interview that the Cannings had no business dragging his son into this, arguing that Rachel is responsible for her own bad behavior.

It looks like Rachel’s parents weren’t the only ones affected by her decision to sue them for high school and college tuition money. Lucas’ father, Jeffrey Kitzmiller, is furious with the Cannings for dissing his son in court.

“My son has been painted in a questionable light by some of the comments from the Cannings,” Jeffrey told MailOnline. ”Their only experience of him is that he met the father long enough to shake hands. That’s the only interaction they have ever had. They made their decision about him from that. If you read the court papers, you can see the trend is with every boyfriend she’s had. It’s always the boyfriend who’s the bad influence. We have been dragged into this.”

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/03/05/rachel-canning-boyfriend-lucas-kitzmiller-father-defense/

 

[fatness]

Judge Peter Bogaard denied the request for high school tuition and current living expenses at a hearing Tuesday in New Jersey State Superior Court. Another hearing will be held in April on other issues in the suit, including whether Canning left home of her own accord, the judge said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/04/justice/student-sues-parents-new-jersey/

 

[fatness]

Rachel is still seeking a ruling that she’s not emancipated from her parents. If she wins, they’d be obligated to support her financially, even if they’re not forced to pay for her first-choice college, the University of Vermont.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/teenager-rachel-canning-loses-first-court-battle-against-her-parents/story-fnet0he2-1226846570363

 

[Koya]

Rachel is still seeking a ruling that shes not emancipated from her parents. If she wins, theyd be obligated to support her financially, even if theyre not forced to pay for her first-choice college, the University of Vermont.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/teenager-rachel-canning-loses-first-court-battle-against-her-parents/story-fnet0he2-1226846570363

Good party school, no?

 

[Henry Ford]

When Rachel Canning sued her parents, Elizabeth and Sean Canning, for kicking her out at 18 and cutting her off financially, they blamed Rachels former boyfriend Lucas Kitzmiller for creating a rift in the family. But Lucas father, Jeffrey Kitzmiller, says in a new interview that the Cannings had no business dragging his son into this, arguing that Rachel is responsible for her own bad behavior.

It looks like Rachels parents werent the only ones affected by her decision to sue them for high school and college tuition money. Lucas father, Jeffrey Kitzmiller, is furious with the Cannings for dissing his son in court.

My son has been painted in a questionable light by some of the comments from the Cannings, Jeffrey told MailOnline. Their only experience of him is that he met the father long enough to shake hands. Thats the only interaction they have ever had. They made their decision about him from that. If you read the court papers, you can see the trend is with every boyfriend shes had. Its always the boyfriend whos the bad influence. We have been dragged into this.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/03/05/rachel-canning-boyfriend-lucas-kitzmiller-father-defense/

So... the father tries to force her to give up all of her boyfriends? Is that the gist of this?

 

[CurlyNight]

Wow. What happened to if you live under your parents roof, you need to follow the rules. She's 18. Don't like it, move out. I thought this was a joke but apparently some states have such laws. So far, they haven't found anything the parents have done that would rule in her favor. Hopefully they don't. I think it's ridiculous.

 

[TheMagus]

Henry, in the short time I've been here, I think you are one of the most rational and sane people here. But I don't understand where you are going with this. Are you saying that if a teenage girl has psychological issues that lead to eating disorders that is a clear sign of some sort of parental abuse? I mean... what?

When was the last time you were around a completely spoiled self-entitled 18 year old girl? Specifically one that has been going to one of the top Catholic private schools in NJ? It's almost a monumental task for a parent to deal with that in general. And I've just personally never had the experience that this was a result of anything other than parents of our generation reading books that say the word "no" is bad and we constantly have to tell our kids how special they are because any criticism or stifling of their creative uniqueness is stifling and give them lasting lifelong problems. And then they grow up to be teenagers with this mindset thinking they can do whatever the #### they want to and if you try to tell them differently they demonize you because they are special and no one is allowed to tell them "no".

I have many personal experiences where I have been close to people with eating disorders (my sister for one) and there is not one iota of blame to put on my parents for that phenomenon. My father was not sexually abusing my sister. My sister has never even claimed such an absurd thing. She is insecure about herself and it manifests itself in trying to be as skinny as possible. That insecurity did not come from our household. It came from her friends and competing for the captain of the cheerleading squad and the boy she was in love with that dumped her like a bad habit when she was 16 and probably a plethora of other psychological things now that she is in her 30s that I can't comprehend. There is a helluva lot more psychological damage that happens to teenagers and young adults amongst their peers than what typically happens at home.

I just don't get where you are going with this. I haven't been here very long, but you seem like one of the more rational posters and I'm completely not understanding your stance on this one. Why do you think that because this girl is clearly psychologically messed up that it is a clear sign that her father has abused her? Do you think it's possible based on her other behavioral patterns that she got involved with other boys that were completely bad news and her parents weren't happy about it?

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Rachel is still seeking a ruling that she’s not emancipated from her parents. If she wins, they’d be obligated to support her financially, even if they’re not forced to pay for her first-choice college, the University of Vermont.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/teenager-rachel-canning-loses-first-court-battle-against-her-parents/story-fnet0he2-1226846570363

I don't understand this. She's 18. Once that happens, she's legally an adult. Even if she wasn't a spoiled brat, parents have no legal obligation to pay for college, give her an allowance, even give her a roof over her head. Yeah, obviously most do, but they are not obligated to.

 

[fatness]

When Rachel Canning sued her parents, Elizabeth and Sean Canning, for kicking her out at 18 and cutting her off financially, they blamed Rachels former boyfriend Lucas Kitzmiller for creating a rift in the family. But Lucas father, Jeffrey Kitzmiller, says in a new interview that the Cannings had no business dragging his son into this, arguing that Rachel is responsible for her own bad behavior.

It looks like Rachels parents werent the only ones affected by her decision to sue them for high school and college tuition money. Lucas father, Jeffrey Kitzmiller, is furious with the Cannings for dissing his son in court.

My son has been painted in a questionable light by some of the comments from the Cannings, Jeffrey told MailOnline. Their only experience of him is that he met the father long enough to shake hands. Thats the only interaction they have ever had. They made their decision about him from that. If you read the court papers, you can see the trend is with every boyfriend shes had. Its always the boyfriend whos the bad influence. We have been dragged into this.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/03/05/rachel-canning-boyfriend-lucas-kitzmiller-father-defense/

So... the father tries to force her to give up all of her boyfriends? Is that the gist of this?

That's what I take from it -- when the girl has a problem the father blames it on a boyfriend.

 

[fatness]

Rachel is still seeking a ruling that she’s not emancipated from her parents. If she wins, they’d be obligated to support her financially, even if they’re not forced to pay for her first-choice college, the University of Vermont.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/teenager-rachel-canning-loses-first-court-battle-against-her-parents/story-fnet0he2-1226846570363

I don't understand this. She's 18. Once that happens, she's legally an adult. Even if she wasn't a spoiled brat, parents have no legal obligation to pay for college, give her an allowance, even give her a roof over her head. Yeah, obviously most do, but they are not obligated to.

I'm guessing that varies from state to state.

 

[MCguidance]

UVM is a great spot, especially if you like to smoke. Very, very liberal so it is no surprise she wants to go there if that's her thing.

Also, her Facebook yields more

 

[Henry Ford]

Henry, in the short time I've been here, I think you are one of the most rational and sane people here. But I don't understand where you are going with this. Are you saying that if a teenage girl has psychological issues that lead to eating disorders that is a clear sign of some sort of parental abuse? I mean... what?

When was the last time you were around a completely spoiled self-entitled 18 year old girl? Specifically one that has been going to one of the top Catholic private schools in NJ? It's almost a monumental task for a parent to deal with that in general. And I've just personally never had the experience that this was a result of anything other than parents of our generation reading books that say the word "no" is bad and we constantly have to tell our kids how special they are because any criticism or stifling of their creative uniqueness is stifling and give them lasting lifelong problems. And then they grow up to be teenagers with this mindset thinking they can do whatever the #### they want to and if you try to tell them differently they demonize you because they are special and no one is allowed to tell them "no".

I have many personal experiences where I have been close to people with eating disorders (my sister for one) and there is not one iota of blame to put on my parents for that phenomenon. My father was not sexually abusing my sister. My sister has never even claimed such an absurd thing. She is insecure about herself and it manifests itself in trying to be as skinny as possible. That insecurity did not come from our household. It came from her friends and competing for the captain of the cheerleading squad and the boy she was in love with that dumped her like a bad habit when she was 16 and probably a plethora of other psychological things now that she is in her 30s that I can't comprehend. There is a helluva lot more psychological damage that happens to teenagers and young adults amongst their peers than what typically happens at home.

I just don't get where you are going with this. I haven't been here very long, but you seem like one of the more rational posters and I'm completely not understanding your stance on this one. Why do you think that because this girl is clearly psychologically messed up that it is a clear sign that her father has abused her? Do you think it's possible based on her other behavioral patterns that she got involved with other boys that were completely bad news and her parents weren't happy about it?

I don't think it's a clear sign. However, when an 18 year old brings a lawsuit alleging that her parents abused her and the immediate reaction from the mob is that she's a spoiled #####, when there are reasonable red flags that maybe something is wrong, it bothers the hell out of me.

I think there's a definite possibility that the kid is a spoiled brat. But there's also a definite possibility that her dad has been one of the much-higher-than-you-think number of men who are inappropriate with their daughters. And it's pretty messed up, if she's a victim here, to have an entire thread filled with nothing but sexually degrading comments and insults.

 

[Henry Ford]

Rachel is still seeking a ruling that shes not emancipated from her parents. If she wins, theyd be obligated to support her financially, even if theyre not forced to pay for her first-choice college, the University of Vermont.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/teenager-rachel-canning-loses-first-court-battle-against-her-parents/story-fnet0he2-1226846570363

I don't understand this. She's 18. Once that happens, she's legally an adult. Even if she wasn't a spoiled brat, parents have no legal obligation to pay for college, give her an allowance, even give her a roof over her head. Yeah, obviously most do, but they are not obligated to.

They are in New Jersey is they're still wholly within the parents' sphere of influence and support.

 

[Insein]

When Rachel Canning sued her parents, Elizabeth and Sean Canning, for kicking her out at 18 and cutting her off financially, they blamed Rachels former boyfriend Lucas Kitzmiller for creating a rift in the family. But Lucas father, Jeffrey Kitzmiller, says in a new interview that the Cannings had no business dragging his son into this, arguing that Rachel is responsible for her own bad behavior.

It looks like Rachels parents werent the only ones affected by her decision to sue them for high school and college tuition money. Lucas father, Jeffrey Kitzmiller, is furious with the Cannings for dissing his son in court.

My son has been painted in a questionable light by some of the comments from the Cannings, Jeffrey told MailOnline. Their only experience of him is that he met the father long enough to shake hands. Thats the only interaction they have ever had. They made their decision about him from that. If you read the court papers, you can see the trend is with every boyfriend shes had. Its always the boyfriend whos the bad influence. We have been dragged into this.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/03/05/rachel-canning-boyfriend-lucas-kitzmiller-father-defense/

So... the father tries to force her to give up all of her boyfriends? Is that the gist of this?

That's what I take from it -- when the girl has a problem the father blames it on a boyfriend.

Yea I think it stems more from a normal parent's and father's belief that their little girl isn't capable of being such a manipulative ##### so someone has to be influencing her. Sad day for the dad when he realizes nope it's all her.

 

[McGarnicle]

Henry, in the short time I've been here, I think you are one of the most rational and sane people here. But I don't understand where you are going with this. Are you saying that if a teenage girl has psychological issues that lead to eating disorders that is a clear sign of some sort of parental abuse? I mean... what?

When was the last time you were around a completely spoiled self-entitled 18 year old girl? Specifically one that has been going to one of the top Catholic private schools in NJ? It's almost a monumental task for a parent to deal with that in general. And I've just personally never had the experience that this was a result of anything other than parents of our generation reading books that say the word "no" is bad and we constantly have to tell our kids how special they are because any criticism or stifling of their creative uniqueness is stifling and give them lasting lifelong problems. And then they grow up to be teenagers with this mindset thinking they can do whatever the #### they want to and if you try to tell them differently they demonize you because they are special and no one is allowed to tell them "no".

I have many personal experiences where I have been close to people with eating disorders (my sister for one) and there is not one iota of blame to put on my parents for that phenomenon. My father was not sexually abusing my sister. My sister has never even claimed such an absurd thing. She is insecure about herself and it manifests itself in trying to be as skinny as possible. That insecurity did not come from our household. It came from her friends and competing for the captain of the cheerleading squad and the boy she was in love with that dumped her like a bad habit when she was 16 and probably a plethora of other psychological things now that she is in her 30s that I can't comprehend. There is a helluva lot more psychological damage that happens to teenagers and young adults amongst their peers than what typically happens at home.

I just don't get where you are going with this. I haven't been here very long, but you seem like one of the more rational posters and I'm completely not understanding your stance on this one. Why do you think that because this girl is clearly psychologically messed up that it is a clear sign that her father has abused her? Do you think it's possible based on her other behavioral patterns that she got involved with other boys that were completely bad news and her parents weren't happy about it?

I don't think it's a clear sign. However, when an 18 year old brings a lawsuit alleging that her parents abused her and the immediate reaction from the mob is that she's a spoiled #####, when there are reasonable red flags that maybe something is wrong, it bothers the hell out of me.

I think there's a definite possibility that the kid is a spoiled brat. But there's also a definite possibility that her dad has been one of the much-higher-than-you-think number of men who are inappropriate with their daughters. And it's pretty messed up, if she's a victim here, to have an entire thread filled with nothing but sexually degrading comments and insults.

To be clear, I just want to make love to her. Nothing kinky.

 

[Henry Ford]

This chick should be the featured star of a bukake video... Then killed.

I'd cut my kid out of my will for this kinda ####...

She prob didn't want to follow curfew, do chores, and other simple stuff like that.

Cut her out of the will?? All she needs is a good spanking.

 

[Insein]

Henry, in the short time I've been here, I think you are one of the most rational and sane people here. But I don't understand where you are going with this. Are you saying that if a teenage girl has psychological issues that lead to eating disorders that is a clear sign of some sort of parental abuse? I mean... what?

When was the last time you were around a completely spoiled self-entitled 18 year old girl? Specifically one that has been going to one of the top Catholic private schools in NJ? It's almost a monumental task for a parent to deal with that in general. And I've just personally never had the experience that this was a result of anything other than parents of our generation reading books that say the word "no" is bad and we constantly have to tell our kids how special they are because any criticism or stifling of their creative uniqueness is stifling and give them lasting lifelong problems. And then they grow up to be teenagers with this mindset thinking they can do whatever the #### they want to and if you try to tell them differently they demonize you because they are special and no one is allowed to tell them "no".

I have many personal experiences where I have been close to people with eating disorders (my sister for one) and there is not one iota of blame to put on my parents for that phenomenon. My father was not sexually abusing my sister. My sister has never even claimed such an absurd thing. She is insecure about herself and it manifests itself in trying to be as skinny as possible. That insecurity did not come from our household. It came from her friends and competing for the captain of the cheerleading squad and the boy she was in love with that dumped her like a bad habit when she was 16 and probably a plethora of other psychological things now that she is in her 30s that I can't comprehend. There is a helluva lot more psychological damage that happens to teenagers and young adults amongst their peers than what typically happens at home.

I just don't get where you are going with this. I haven't been here very long, but you seem like one of the more rational posters and I'm completely not understanding your stance on this one. Why do you think that because this girl is clearly psychologically messed up that it is a clear sign that her father has abused her? Do you think it's possible based on her other behavioral patterns that she got involved with other boys that were completely bad news and her parents weren't happy about it?

I don't think it's a clear sign. However, when an 18 year old brings a lawsuit alleging that her parents abused her and the immediate reaction from the mob is that she's a spoiled #####, when there are reasonable red flags that maybe something is wrong, it bothers the hell out of me.I think there's a definite possibility that the kid is a spoiled brat. But there's also a definite possibility that her dad has been one of the much-higher-than-you-think number of men who are inappropriate with their daughters. And it's pretty messed up, if she's a victim here, to have an entire thread filled with nothing but sexually degrading comments and insults.

If there was any evidence of inappropriate behavior presented that gave a possibility that something happened, then sure. You want to check it out. But there are plenty of red flags showing that this is a baseless lie more than truth.

When these accusations are made through a lawsuit and not criminal charges is my first red flag. When the only evidence is a kiss on the cheek and a supposed phrase about his daughter being more than that to him, it raises more red flags as to why not go for some actual inappropriate behavior instead of some vague hearsay that has no context. Then the girl sits in the court room with a smug little smile like she just expects to get her way, it all doesn't add up to a girl that emotional and physically abused.

 

[McGarnicle]

This chick should be the featured star of a bukake video... Then killed.

I'd cut my kid out of my will for this kinda ####...

She prob didn't want to follow curfew, do chores, and other simple stuff like that.

Cut her out of the will?? All she needs is a good spanking.

Oh sure, if you're going to throw my own words back in my face, we'll never get anywhere.

 

[Fat Nick]

When Rachel Canning sued her parents, Elizabeth and Sean Canning, for kicking her out at 18 and cutting her off financially, they blamed Rachel’s former boyfriend Lucas Kitzmiller for creating a rift in the family. But Lucas’ father, Jeffrey Kitzmiller, says in a new interview that the Cannings had no business dragging his son into this, arguing that Rachel is responsible for her own bad behavior.

It looks like Rachel’s parents weren’t the only ones affected by her decision to sue them for high school and college tuition money. Lucas’ father, Jeffrey Kitzmiller, is furious with the Cannings for dissing his son in court.

“My son has been painted in a questionable light by some of the comments from the Cannings,” Jeffrey told MailOnline. ”Their only experience of him is that he met the father long enough to shake hands. That’s the only interaction they have ever had. They made their decision about him from that. If you read the court papers, you can see the trend is with every boyfriend she’s had. It’s always the boyfriend who’s the bad influence. We have been dragged into this.”

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/03/05/rachel-canning-boyfriend-lucas-kitzmiller-father-defense/

Thanks for all the updated links fatness. The more parties that get involved here, the uglier this is going to get. It won't be long before her parents can't pay to send her to Vermont after all the legal fees...especially if they're forced to pay her side too. Heck, who knows if her sisters will have a college fund once this is done.

Fat Nick =

Girls Lawyer =

Whole thing =

 

[Rove!]

If with Henry and I would wait until all of the facts come out before we pass judgment. Ingelsio (sp?) is a somewhat prominent member of the community, so him putting 12K and his rep on the line for this is not lost on me. The parents are saying all of the right things now; but if they are so 'wonderful' it makes you wonder how it could have come to this.

 

[Sweet J]

Two things:

1) I kind of get where Henry Ford is coming from. I don't necessarily disagree with him.

2) McGarnicle is KILLING it in here. Big thumbs up.

 

[Insein]

If with Henry and I would wait until all of the facts come out before we pass judgment. Ingelsio (sp?) is a somewhat prominent member of the community, so him putting 12K and his rep on the line for this is not lost on me. The parents are saying all of the right things now; but if they are so 'wonderful' it makes you wonder how it could have come to this.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the parents are saints. This just has a lot of questionable courses of action taken if sexual and mental abuse is the allegation. You usually don't demand money if someone abuses you. You want them locked up.

 

[Henry Ford]

Henry, in the short time I've been here, I think you are one of the most rational and sane people here. But I don't understand where you are going with this. Are you saying that if a teenage girl has psychological issues that lead to eating disorders that is a clear sign of some sort of parental abuse? I mean... what?

When was the last time you were around a completely spoiled self-entitled 18 year old girl? Specifically one that has been going to one of the top Catholic private schools in NJ? It's almost a monumental task for a parent to deal with that in general. And I've just personally never had the experience that this was a result of anything other than parents of our generation reading books that say the word "no" is bad and we constantly have to tell our kids how special they are because any criticism or stifling of their creative uniqueness is stifling and give them lasting lifelong problems. And then they grow up to be teenagers with this mindset thinking they can do whatever the #### they want to and if you try to tell them differently they demonize you because they are special and no one is allowed to tell them "no".

I have many personal experiences where I have been close to people with eating disorders (my sister for one) and there is not one iota of blame to put on my parents for that phenomenon. My father was not sexually abusing my sister. My sister has never even claimed such an absurd thing. She is insecure about herself and it manifests itself in trying to be as skinny as possible. That insecurity did not come from our household. It came from her friends and competing for the captain of the cheerleading squad and the boy she was in love with that dumped her like a bad habit when she was 16 and probably a plethora of other psychological things now that she is in her 30s that I can't comprehend. There is a helluva lot more psychological damage that happens to teenagers and young adults amongst their peers than what typically happens at home.

I just don't get where you are going with this. I haven't been here very long, but you seem like one of the more rational posters and I'm completely not understanding your stance on this one. Why do you think that because this girl is clearly psychologically messed up that it is a clear sign that her father has abused her? Do you think it's possible based on her other behavioral patterns that she got involved with other boys that were completely bad news and her parents weren't happy about it?

I don't think it's a clear sign. However, when an 18 year old brings a lawsuit alleging that her parents abused her and the immediate reaction from the mob is that she's a spoiled #####, when there are reasonable red flags that maybe something is wrong, it bothers the hell out of me.I think there's a definite possibility that the kid is a spoiled brat. But there's also a definite possibility that her dad has been one of the much-higher-than-you-think number of men who are inappropriate with their daughters. And it's pretty messed up, if she's a victim here, to have an entire thread filled with nothing but sexually degrading comments and insults.

If there was any evidence of inappropriate behavior presented that gave a possibility that something happened, then sure. You want to check it out. But there are plenty of red flags showing that this is a baseless lie more than truth.When these accusations are made through a lawsuit and not criminal charges is my first red flag. When the only evidence is a kiss on the cheek and a supposed phrase about his daughter being more than that to him, it raises more red flags as to why not go for some actual inappropriate behavior instead of some vague hearsay that has no context. Then the girl sits in the court room with a smug little smile like she just expects to get her way, it all doesn't add up to a girl that emotional and physically abused.

The kiss on the cheek isn't the only evidence. There's also getting his daughter blackout drunk, waking her up in the middle of the night to drink with him, and whatever hasn't been released in the media.

You ever talk to a kid who has been having sex with a parent for years? Try sometime. See how much she's willing to admit, even when physical evidence is sitting in front of her and you're telling her you don't blame her and only want to help.

"It was all a little inappropriate, but that's all" is a pretty common theme, even if she's screaming abuse but giving zero details of what the abuse is.

She could very well be a spoiled brat. She could also be an awfully screwed up victim of abuse. Probably best to wait and see what comes out before judging this one.

 

[Henry Ford]

If with Henry and I would wait until all of the facts come out before we pass judgment. Ingelsio (sp?) is a somewhat prominent member of the community, so him putting 12K and his rep on the line for this is not lost on me. The parents are saying all of the right things now; but if they are so 'wonderful' it makes you wonder how it could have come to this.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the parents are saints. This just has a lot of questionable courses of action taken if sexual and mental abuse is the allegation. You usually don't demand money if someone abuses you. You want them locked up.

Not when you're the "special daughter" to a guy who has an inappropriate relationship with his kid. They seldom ask for daddy to be locked up.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I don't understand all the backlash about Henry's comments. It's certainly a reasonable position to take.

 

[Insein]

Henry, in the short time I've been here, I think you are one of the most rational and sane people here. But I don't understand where you are going with this. Are you saying that if a teenage girl has psychological issues that lead to eating disorders that is a clear sign of some sort of parental abuse? I mean... what?

When was the last time you were around a completely spoiled self-entitled 18 year old girl? Specifically one that has been going to one of the top Catholic private schools in NJ? It's almost a monumental task for a parent to deal with that in general. And I've just personally never had the experience that this was a result of anything other than parents of our generation reading books that say the word "no" is bad and we constantly have to tell our kids how special they are because any criticism or stifling of their creative uniqueness is stifling and give them lasting lifelong problems. And then they grow up to be teenagers with this mindset thinking they can do whatever the #### they want to and if you try to tell them differently they demonize you because they are special and no one is allowed to tell them "no".

I have many personal experiences where I have been close to people with eating disorders (my sister for one) and there is not one iota of blame to put on my parents for that phenomenon. My father was not sexually abusing my sister. My sister has never even claimed such an absurd thing. She is insecure about herself and it manifests itself in trying to be as skinny as possible. That insecurity did not come from our household. It came from her friends and competing for the captain of the cheerleading squad and the boy she was in love with that dumped her like a bad habit when she was 16 and probably a plethora of other psychological things now that she is in her 30s that I can't comprehend. There is a helluva lot more psychological damage that happens to teenagers and young adults amongst their peers than what typically happens at home.

I just don't get where you are going with this. I haven't been here very long, but you seem like one of the more rational posters and I'm completely not understanding your stance on this one. Why do you think that because this girl is clearly psychologically messed up that it is a clear sign that her father has abused her? Do you think it's possible based on her other behavioral patterns that she got involved with other boys that were completely bad news and her parents weren't happy about it?

I don't think it's a clear sign. However, when an 18 year old brings a lawsuit alleging that her parents abused her and the immediate reaction from the mob is that she's a spoiled #####, when there are reasonable red flags that maybe something is wrong, it bothers the hell out of me.I think there's a definite possibility that the kid is a spoiled brat. But there's also a definite possibility that her dad has been one of the much-higher-than-you-think number of men who are inappropriate with their daughters. And it's pretty messed up, if she's a victim here, to have an entire thread filled with nothing but sexually degrading comments and insults.

If there was any evidence of inappropriate behavior presented that gave a possibility that something happened, then sure. You want to check it out. But there are plenty of red flags showing that this is a baseless lie more than truth.When these accusations are made through a lawsuit and not criminal charges is my first red flag. When the only evidence is a kiss on the cheek and a supposed phrase about his daughter being more than that to him, it raises more red flags as to why not go for some actual inappropriate behavior instead of some vague hearsay that has no context. Then the girl sits in the court room with a smug little smile like she just expects to get her way, it all doesn't add up to a girl that emotional and physically abused.

The kiss on the cheek isn't the only evidence. There's also getting his daughter blackout drunk, waking her up in the middle of the night to drink with him, and whatever hasn't been released in the media.You ever talk to a kid who has been having sex with a parent for years? Try sometime. See how much she's willing to admit, even when physical evidence is sitting in front of her and you're telling her you don't blame her and only want to help.

"It was all a little inappropriate, but that's all" is a pretty common theme, even if she's screaming abuse but giving zero details of what the abuse is.

She could very well be a spoiled brat. She could also be an awfully screwed up victim of abuse. Probably best to wait and see what comes out before judging this one.

I understand that but then why a lawsuit? These are criminal allegations here. Just doesn't add up for the friend's dad/lawyer to go right for the wallet and not involve some form of police.

 

[Henry Ford]

Henry, in the short time I've been here, I think you are one of the most rational and sane people here. But I don't understand where you are going with this. Are you saying that if a teenage girl has psychological issues that lead to eating disorders that is a clear sign of some sort of parental abuse? I mean... what?

When was the last time you were around a completely spoiled self-entitled 18 year old girl? Specifically one that has been going to one of the top Catholic private schools in NJ? It's almost a monumental task for a parent to deal with that in general. And I've just personally never had the experience that this was a result of anything other than parents of our generation reading books that say the word "no" is bad and we constantly have to tell our kids how special they are because any criticism or stifling of their creative uniqueness is stifling and give them lasting lifelong problems. And then they grow up to be teenagers with this mindset thinking they can do whatever the #### they want to and if you try to tell them differently they demonize you because they are special and no one is allowed to tell them "no".

I have many personal experiences where I have been close to people with eating disorders (my sister for one) and there is not one iota of blame to put on my parents for that phenomenon. My father was not sexually abusing my sister. My sister has never even claimed such an absurd thing. She is insecure about herself and it manifests itself in trying to be as skinny as possible. That insecurity did not come from our household. It came from her friends and competing for the captain of the cheerleading squad and the boy she was in love with that dumped her like a bad habit when she was 16 and probably a plethora of other psychological things now that she is in her 30s that I can't comprehend. There is a helluva lot more psychological damage that happens to teenagers and young adults amongst their peers than what typically happens at home.

I just don't get where you are going with this. I haven't been here very long, but you seem like one of the more rational posters and I'm completely not understanding your stance on this one. Why do you think that because this girl is clearly psychologically messed up that it is a clear sign that her father has abused her? Do you think it's possible based on her other behavioral patterns that she got involved with other boys that were completely bad news and her parents weren't happy about it?

I don't think it's a clear sign. However, when an 18 year old brings a lawsuit alleging that her parents abused her and the immediate reaction from the mob is that she's a spoiled #####, when there are reasonable red flags that maybe something is wrong, it bothers the hell out of me.I think there's a definite possibility that the kid is a spoiled brat. But there's also a definite possibility that her dad has been one of the much-higher-than-you-think number of men who are inappropriate with their daughters. And it's pretty messed up, if she's a victim here, to have an entire thread filled with nothing but sexually degrading comments and insults.

If there was any evidence of inappropriate behavior presented that gave a possibility that something happened, then sure. You want to check it out. But there are plenty of red flags showing that this is a baseless lie more than truth.When these accusations are made through a lawsuit and not criminal charges is my first red flag. When the only evidence is a kiss on the cheek and a supposed phrase about his daughter being more than that to him, it raises more red flags as to why not go for some actual inappropriate behavior instead of some vague hearsay that has no context. Then the girl sits in the court room with a smug little smile like she just expects to get her way, it all doesn't add up to a girl that emotional and physically abused.

The kiss on the cheek isn't the only evidence. There's also getting his daughter blackout drunk, waking her up in the middle of the night to drink with him, and whatever hasn't been released in the media.You ever talk to a kid who has been having sex with a parent for years? Try sometime. See how much she's willing to admit, even when physical evidence is sitting in front of her and you're telling her you don't blame her and only want to help.

"It was all a little inappropriate, but that's all" is a pretty common theme, even if she's screaming abuse but giving zero details of what the abuse is.

She could very well be a spoiled brat. She could also be an awfully screwed up victim of abuse. Probably best to wait and see what comes out before judging this one.

I understand that but then why a lawsuit? These are criminal allegations here. Just doesn't add up for the friend's dad/lawyer to go right for the wallet and not involve some form of police.

She had Child Protection called by the school, who did absolutely nothing.

 

[Insein]

If with Henry and I would wait until all of the facts come out before we pass judgment. Ingelsio (sp?) is a somewhat prominent member of the community, so him putting 12K and his rep on the line for this is not lost on me. The parents are saying all of the right things now; but if they are so 'wonderful' it makes you wonder how it could have come to this.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the parents are saints. This just has a lot of questionable courses of action taken if sexual and mental abuse is the allegation. You usually don't demand money if someone abuses you. You want them locked up.

Not when you're the "special daughter" to a guy who has an inappropriate relationship with his kid. They seldom ask for daddy to be locked up.

If the guy had sexual relations with his minor aged daughter and the mother covered it up, these are criminal charges and need to be dealt with by thr proper authorities. What does a lawsuit do?

 

[Fat Nick]

If with Henry and I would wait until all of the facts come out before we pass judgment. Ingelsio (sp?) is a somewhat prominent member of the community, so him putting 12K and his rep on the line for this is not lost on me. The parents are saying all of the right things now; but if they are so 'wonderful' it makes you wonder how it could have come to this.

I truthfully don't know how Inglesino isn't under more scrutiny here. I just think there's something more fishy about him. He's a very prominent member of the community. I feel like either:

a) He's taking this girl's word for gospel and has no clue what the other side is (right or wrong), which would be a really dumb move

or

b) He's using this girl and this opportunity as a pawn for something bigger (another run at a higher public office, retribution to the former police chief for something, etc.)

I just don't see someone with good intentions and a highly-visible public image getting involved in this case unless it's a home-run, or he stands a lot to gain.

 

[Henry Ford]

If with Henry and I would wait until all of the facts come out before we pass judgment. Ingelsio (sp?) is a somewhat prominent member of the community, so him putting 12K and his rep on the line for this is not lost on me. The parents are saying all of the right things now; but if they are so 'wonderful' it makes you wonder how it could have come to this.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the parents are saints. This just has a lot of questionable courses of action taken if sexual and mental abuse is the allegation. You usually don't demand money if someone abuses you. You want them locked up.

Not when you're the "special daughter" to a guy who has an inappropriate relationship with his kid. They seldom ask for daddy to be locked up.

If the guy had sexual relations with his minor aged daughter and the mother covered it up, these are criminal charges and need to be dealt with by thr proper authorities. What does a lawsuit do?

Gets her out of the situation and puts her on the road to moving forward without having to put her father, who she has very complicated feelings with, in prison. And who knows if the mother actually knows? I mean, she might "know" but not have any confirmation.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Henry, in the short time I've been here, I think you are one of the most rational and sane people here. But I don't understand where you are going with this. Are you saying that if a teenage girl has psychological issues that lead to eating disorders that is a clear sign of some sort of parental abuse? I mean... what?

When was the last time you were around a completely spoiled self-entitled 18 year old girl? Specifically one that has been going to one of the top Catholic private schools in NJ? It's almost a monumental task for a parent to deal with that in general. And I've just personally never had the experience that this was a result of anything other than parents of our generation reading books that say the word "no" is bad and we constantly have to tell our kids how special they are because any criticism or stifling of their creative uniqueness is stifling and give them lasting lifelong problems. And then they grow up to be teenagers with this mindset thinking they can do whatever the #### they want to and if you try to tell them differently they demonize you because they are special and no one is allowed to tell them "no".

I have many personal experiences where I have been close to people with eating disorders (my sister for one) and there is not one iota of blame to put on my parents for that phenomenon. My father was not sexually abusing my sister. My sister has never even claimed such an absurd thing. She is insecure about herself and it manifests itself in trying to be as skinny as possible. That insecurity did not come from our household. It came from her friends and competing for the captain of the cheerleading squad and the boy she was in love with that dumped her like a bad habit when she was 16 and probably a plethora of other psychological things now that she is in her 30s that I can't comprehend. There is a helluva lot more psychological damage that happens to teenagers and young adults amongst their peers than what typically happens at home.

I just don't get where you are going with this. I haven't been here very long, but you seem like one of the more rational posters and I'm completely not understanding your stance on this one. Why do you think that because this girl is clearly psychologically messed up that it is a clear sign that her father has abused her? Do you think it's possible based on her other behavioral patterns that she got involved with other boys that were completely bad news and her parents weren't happy about it?

I don't think it's a clear sign. However, when an 18 year old brings a lawsuit alleging that her parents abused her and the immediate reaction from the mob is that she's a spoiled #####, when there are reasonable red flags that maybe something is wrong, it bothers the hell out of me.I think there's a definite possibility that the kid is a spoiled brat. But there's also a definite possibility that her dad has been one of the much-higher-than-you-think number of men who are inappropriate with their daughters. And it's pretty messed up, if she's a victim here, to have an entire thread filled with nothing but sexually degrading comments and insults.

If there was any evidence of inappropriate behavior presented that gave a possibility that something happened, then sure. You want to check it out. But there are plenty of red flags showing that this is a baseless lie more than truth.When these accusations are made through a lawsuit and not criminal charges is my first red flag. When the only evidence is a kiss on the cheek and a supposed phrase about his daughter being more than that to him, it raises more red flags as to why not go for some actual inappropriate behavior instead of some vague hearsay that has no context. Then the girl sits in the court room with a smug little smile like she just expects to get her way, it all doesn't add up to a girl that emotional and physically abused.

The kiss on the cheek isn't the only evidence. There's also getting his daughter blackout drunk, waking her up in the middle of the night to drink with him, and whatever hasn't been released in the media.You ever talk to a kid who has been having sex with a parent for years? Try sometime. See how much she's willing to admit, even when physical evidence is sitting in front of her and you're telling her you don't blame her and only want to help.

"It was all a little inappropriate, but that's all" is a pretty common theme, even if she's screaming abuse but giving zero details of what the abuse is.

She could very well be a spoiled brat. She could also be an awfully screwed up victim of abuse. Probably best to wait and see what comes out before judging this one.

I understand that but then why a lawsuit? These are criminal allegations here. Just doesn't add up for the friend's dad/lawyer to go right for the wallet and not involve some form of police.

She had Child Protection called by the school, who did absolutely nothing.

That's misleading at best. They did a full investigation including interviewing other family members and determined that they believed the allegations were not true.

Those investigations can certainly be flawed and they can certainly come to wrong conclusions, but to say that they "did nothing" is quite false.

 

[Henry Ford]

She had Child Protection called by the school, who did absolutely nothing.

That's misleading at best. They did a full investigation including interviewing other family members and determined that they believed the allegations were not true.

Those investigations can certainly be flawed and they can certainly come to wrong conclusions, but to say that they "did nothing" is quite false.

My apologies.

"They did absolutely nothing to rectify the situation she was in and shockingly did not recommend charges against the former chief of police."

You guys can shout all you want about how she didn't run to the police, but her dad is the former chief of police. Think she feels safe reporting to them?

 

[McGarnicle]

I don't understand all the backlash about Henry's comments. It's certainly a reasonable position to take.

I don't understand the strong positions on either side, given that no one here knows these people at all and has no basis to make any assumptions whatsoever about what did or did not take place in that house. If we can all agree that it's all conjecture that amounts to nothing, then there are a million reasonable positions to take. Any guess I make about their lives is equally likely to be correct as anyone else's.

 

[Henry Ford]

I don't understand all the backlash about Henry's comments. It's certainly a reasonable position to take.

I don't understand the strong positions on either side, given that no one here knows these people at all and has no basis to make any assumptions whatsoever about what did or did not take place in that house. If we can all agree that it's all conjecture that amounts to nothing, then there are a million reasonable positions to take. Any guess I make about their lives is equally likely to be correct as anyone else's.

I don't think "her allegations are very possible, there's a reasonable explanation in which she's telling the truth, so let's wait and see" is a strong position on either side.