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What kind of idiot would take Lamont Jordan for ANY 1st round rookie draft pick? The fat man sucks.
Well he also got Reggie Brown. Lets not forget LJ was top 5 in PPG in 05. Things will improve in Oakland.
LaMont JordanReggie Brownfor1.04Vincent JacksonTony SchefflerVJax will be my #4 WR.I love Scheffler, he put it over the top for me.-------------------------------------------------------------I sold low on Jordan, but was unimpressed with his speedand cutting ability even before the knee injury this past season. I'm glad to be rid of him. I'll take my chances on a Kenny Irons or Antonio Pittman over Jordan at this point.
Word on the Nebraska boards is that Jackson is now all but certain to declare. Some info on BJax:He's under the radar right now because he was injured for virtually his whole Sophmore season, and was in a RBBC with more nationally heralded players this season. Never the less, he emerged as clearly the best RB by the end of the season and put up just short of 1,000 yards despite sharing touches. What set him apart from the other backs was his vision and ability to find cut-back lanes. I'm obviously not saying he's in this class but if you are looking for a similar RB in terms of size and running style, Terrell Davis would be the most comparable IMO.
Just to add onto this; here's a good video package on Jackson.
Interesting. I wouldn't say he looks great, but he's intriguing. Pretty good build with some wiggle. Reminds me a bit of Rudi. I'll be watching this kid at the combine and on draft day. In this weak crop of RBs, just about anyone has an opportunity to emerge. He certainly impresses me more than Tony Hunt and Michael Bush.
I think you can get a great feel for a WR from a highlight reel, but not RBs. Most any college team could put together a similar reel with their starter. These RBs are weak and Jackson isn't top 15. Jackson would be coming out to exploit the weakness of this draft (smart) and make sure he wasn't overshadowed by Sophomore Marlon Lucky (also smart). Lucky is a more legit NFL talent and he'll be a force next year, with or without Jackson.
War and Peace coming our way ....Hurry up Bob.
I actually think RB is the easiest position to scout from highlights. A guy either has the NFL burst or he doesn't. It usually becomes obvious very quickly.
Jackson reminds me of one of those zone blocking scheme backs like Lundy. Nothing just jumps out at you and if he gets carries he has enough vision and general toughness to matter fantasy wise, but is a guy that in two or three years you will have forgotten he existed. Understand that history is on the side on at least one of these guys late first day /early 2nd day guys to matter for a couple of years, so the next four months is about figuring which of the Jackson, Darby, Wright, etc becomes DomDavis or Orlandis Gary.Hurry up Bob.
I guess his stock won't go much higher next year, not to mention there are alot of talented backs that will go ahead of him next year as is...
There's no question that the RBBC is probably factoring into Jackson's thinking. Lucky and Cody Glenn were both nicked up in the second half of the season this year which probably added to Jackson's touches. He only averaged 7 touches a game through the first 5 games this past season, then 21 touches per game over the last 9. That said, Jackson is also well ahead of Lucky as a runner at this point. Jackson has much better vision, balance, and patience. He's also a tougher runner who rarely goes down on the initial contact, something that Lucky has struggled with. Right now I'd say Lucky only has an edge in two areas; he appears to have better field speed and quickness and is a more natural receiver. I'm a big Lucky booster but he needs to work much harder. If Jackson comes back he'll be the undisputed lead back next season. Honestly I think it is better for Lucky if Jackson leaves, rather than the other way around.
He should go higher than that. He's got a nice burst and good receiving skills. In a weak RB class, he could as high as the 4th round. He's a willing inside runner, but he runs too "small" for my tastes. Imo, he's destined to bounce around the league as a backup.edit to add: he was definitely smart to accept the draft grade he has now rather than get lost in the sea of talented junior RBs coming out next year.Darius Walker, Notre Dame
I guess his stock won't go much higher next year, not to mention there are alot of talented backs that will go ahead of him next year as is...
But how high will this guy go? No earlier than 6th Round IMO.
Having seen Lucky play in high school, I'm convinced he will be a stud if he's used correctly. He has incredible hands for a RB and has the size and speed to be an NFL back. He's barely scratched the surface of what he can do at Nebraska. Good character guy as well.
I agree he has vast potential. I posted earlier or in another thread that I thought he could easily put up a 2000 yard rushing/receiving season in the NU offense. Where he is really lagging behind at this point is in his strength and conditioning. It's not that he's being misused, he's just being outworked Jackson and Glenn.
Rankings updated
Supposedly the announcement is set for 3 pm CT.... Thoughts are that he is 99.9% as good as gone.
5:00 PM)eadline passes; Herd back only other draft entry… The deadline for underclassmen to have filed papers with the NFL to be included in this year’s draft passed about an hour ago with more of a whimper than a roar. Indeed, Marshall junior RB Ahmad Bradshaw was the only player to date to make an announcement that he was leaving school early for the draft. The 5-10, 195-pound Bradshaw had 1,523 yards rushing this season, good for sixth in the nation. Of course, it is still possible that some players have filed the appropriate paperwork with the league but didn’t make a formal announcement. Players also have a 72-hour window of opportunity to renege on their application to be included in this year’s draft. The NFL then will release a full list of early applicants.
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'splain please.
1)The odds of a penn stat rb aren't good. Blair Thomas, Ki-jana Carter, Curtis Enis were all good college rbs who were first round busts. LJ is the only good one to come from there in a while. 2) Big backs have problems producing since a lot of them rely on their size to overrun defenders in college. The defenders they see in the NFL are bigger, faster, and stronger.3) Anyone who runs too upright exposes himself to even more injury than normal and from what I've read of your senior bowl analysis of hunt that seems to be a problem for him as well
didn't kijana carter blow out his knee before he played a single regular season game? & that was at a time when the medical state of the art was not as good as now, so it is hard to say what he might have been if he hadn't had such a serious injury so early in his career... i might give penn st a pass on that one....ultimately, we should be able to evaluate prospects independent of a school affiliation (which you have done in last two points)... many people may have avoided LJ because he was a penn st RB, & that would have beeen a mistake...it is a good exercise to try & figure out WHY certain positions seem to fare poorly in the transition to the NFL coming from certain schools (florida WRs, BYU OL?), & to also delineate out as many factors besides noting their school that could point to success or failure... maybe it is a useful shortcut, especially for those without the time to scout a lot... avoiding florida WRs altogether might have caused some to miss darrell jackson, but they would have been right more often than not... of course, now that spurrier is gone, it may not be too relevant...but paterno has been a constant at penn st for long time... was the other curt warner a penn st RB?
Lydell Mitchell, Lenny Moore and Franco Harris are all listed in TSN's Top 50 RBs of all time. Carter and Thomas were injured early in their careers. Unless you think that being a Penn State RB makes you more likely to blow out your knee, then this is a silly reason to doubt Hunt.
Not funny really. You basically gave three generalizations that did not indicate that you had watched Hunt (may or may not be true). You went Penn State Rbs, a general comment about big backs, and general comment about Rbs running too tall. No indication of why Hunt specifically is not a good prospect. My feeling is that the others just stopped with dispelling one genearlization as enough. My other issue would be defining bust. Hunt projects as 3rd rounder who may sneak into the 2nd. Even the people who like him think he is no more than a boring grind it out starter and may even be better served as a power back in committee. Not convinced that he has high enough expectations to ever really be a "bust"FTRWRTR said:
That's the way it works on most message boards. The wolves attack your weakness and ignore the strengths. I agree with them. It's bad form to judge an individual by his school's background. It's interesting and coincidental, imo, but not a good way to project a player. I know people like discussing these guys in minute detail but breaking down a players style has never interested me. I don't care if he runs too high, too low, backwards or sideways. Was he good at it? OJ, Dickerson, LJ, all great backs who ran or still run high. So points one and three I didn't agree with.I agree with point two to an extent. Big backs are problematic. I think Hunt will have a tough time ever becoming a solid fantasy producer, though he could find himself a niche and be valuable for a team. He's solid. He's tough between the tackles. He has good hands. He is an excellent run blocker and a solid pass blocker. He'll probably have a long career with minimal fantasy impact.FTRWRTR said:
I agree. He would have to fail to make a roster to bust. Excpectations are not high.
My ranking of Hunt is an indication that none of the second tier backs have yet stood out to me.FWIW I agree with your points.It's just boring to post "I agree", but the people who disagree will be more inclined to post their rebuttal.
That's fair. Fantasywise, I think overall in this draft you will see two Rbs drafted on talent and the next 4-5 draft according to situation more than pure skill. Hunt is in that mix of 5 or so guys. Honestly, none of those guys have a better than 50/50 chance of mattering from a fantasy standpoint. I will spend the next three months trying to figure out which one or two to place my bet on. On the NFL draft stuff, I care because it gives me an idication of what the NFL thinks of his pure talent and the opportunuty that maybe afforded to him. Drafted in 2nd round, Hunt will probably have to do something negative to not get an opprotunity, but in 4th he is not even guaranteed a roster spot.
LOL, so basically your sample size is 3 RBs over the course of about 15 years and you're ignoring 3 other outstanding RBs before those 3 and 1 other outstanding RB since those 3? And one of the players blew out his knee on his 2nd carry of the preseason?I just think that's lazy analysis by you and so I'm calling you on it. I didn't argue with your other 2 points because they have some merit.
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Pre-Combine update...before it gets dated. Since Mike was dragging his feet, threw it on the blog...2007 RB draft class - updated 2/11/07
