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Do you really think that Al Davis has that type of cash? I mean they are getting a little over a mill a year for the humiliating name of "Overstock.com" stadium. Where is the pride and poise in that? I'd like to think that there is no limit to the spending, but gray, dingy unimproved and poorly located Overstock.com stadium paints a different story.
It's not, and I would say he could potentially return. But doubtful. Making the moves we made suggests to me that Nnamdi let the brass know he was moving on.
That and for how much money he is demanding, I don't care if it is Aso he doesnt make a lot of big enough plays to warrent that kind of cash. He didn't have any interceptions last year. I don't care if he does shut down one side of the field for that kind of money you better be getting some interceptions.
The money is not the problem. He will probably wind up with a per-year average LESS than what he got here the last two years.'krsone21 said:
The Raiders logo is still a top seller. The team doesnt make as money as it could because it hasnt been winning but it really doesnt matter to fans how much the owner makes as long as he's willing to pay for quality players. Will Al spend as much as Snyder or Jones? Likely not. However if we can offer something close, we got a shot at bringing Nnamdi back. To answer the next post's question. No, Nnamdi never said he wants out of Oakland. He actually likes being a Raider and said something about possibly returning to Oakland. However we all know money wins most peoples' hearts. If you could make a million dollars more per year just to move to another city, you likely would. NFL players are just as human as us. Money will be the biggest factor in Nnamdi's decision. Followed maybe by a chance to get a superbowl ring or maybe a chance to stay in Oakland. Definately though money #1
First of all, Loper has been around the NFL for several years. I thought they were going to try to put Campbell on the left side but that will probably be decided in training camp. Barksdale is ulikely to start as a rookie. He'll be groomed the way most rookies are.There are plenty of FA tackles right here in Oakland. We just need to figure out which one(s) to bring back. Oakland has drafted its share of projects and we brought Langston Walker back to the team after he was cut by Buffalo. We are probably looking at only 1 rookie starter and 2 second year starters. The other guys have been here (or elsewhere) long enough. I'm not worried about either Veldheer or Wiz, only Campbell. Veldheer came a long ways his rookie season and will only get better. Wiz came from a football family and already has a better understanding of the pro game than half our guys ever will.
This is pre-FA. I think that they will bring in at least one established FA OL, maybe 2. I am ok with LT Veldheer, a FA LG, C: Wiz II/Satele (may the best man win), RG Campbell (I want him to win, hope he's ready), and some other FA to compete with Barksdale at RT. This line is far from settled.
Word is that Hendu was offered a one-year deal and scoffed at that. Not sure why he thinks he's above that. I hope he comes around and decides to stick with Raiders competing for the RT spot. Still not sold as Loper as our starter.
We could go after Jared Gaither to address the RT spot.
I have no idea if FootballNewsNow.com (
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I see room for Ocho, but Steve Smith is 32 and 3 years removed from being a pro bowler. I'd rather see our younger WR's have more PT than give the spot to Smith. He may be ahead of our group in terms of experience, but he is going in different direction in his career. Ochocinco, I think still has something in the tank. He has worn out his welcome in Cincnnati and admitted he missed playing for Hue Jackson. I hope Steve Smith finds a nice new home. Just not in Oakland.So, I am looking around for a nice FA list for us to pick out some favorites, and I come across this gem:http://www.footballnewsnow.com/2011/source-steve-smith-seeking-trade-to-raiders-or-chargers/
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From the video...Looks to have decent hands, but average athletisism, and bit sloppy of a route runner. If he sticks, he could be a Nick Miller type.
I don't think that is in the cards this year at least. Bush will be back as the power runner in the Raiders 1-2 punch. TJ should make the team and push Michael Bennett off the roster (maybe to retirement). Jones scouting report is captivating. Shifty, good body control with 4.2 to 4.3 speed. Compares to Chris Johnson and Jamaal Charles. Has an injury history and played for a small school so the jump to the NFL will be a big one. Many scouts were impressed with his workout. He's a local guy that grew up cheering for the Raiders. It's a great fit for him. It's just my opinion of him, and I don't know if he has the receiving skills in the slot, but I'd love to see him line up in the slot ala Dexter McCluster of the Chiefs. Projection for this year: 3rd string RB, used at times as a COP back. Kickoff returner, if he can prove himself. Projection for next year: With M. Bush possibly not on the Raiders roster, could see an opening in this offense. He has to prove himself obviously, but you can't hold a Chris Johnson or Jamaal Charles type talent down for long.
Smitty is 3 years removed from having anything resembling a QB. I've watched a decent amount of his games over the last two years. He is still very good. Fast, feisty, and sure-handed. Doubt it happens, but he would immediately be our best WR.I see room for Ocho, but Steve Smith is 32 and 3 years removed from being a pro bowler. I'd rather see our younger WR's have more PT than give the spot to Smith. He may be ahead of our group in terms of experience, but he is going in different direction in his career. Ochocinco, I think still has something in the tank. He has worn out his welcome in Cincnnati and admitted he missed playing for Hue Jackson. I hope Steve Smith finds a nice new home. Just not in Oakland.So, I am looking around for a nice FA list for us to pick out some favorites, and I come across this gem:http://www.footballnewsnow.com/2011/source-steve-smith-seeking-trade-to-raiders-or-chargers/
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Thank you for the insight! I'll be monitoring the situation closely. The Raiders obviously have a penchant for drafting for speed, but when it pays off, its dangerous. See: Jacoby Ford, one of my favorite young players in the league.
I think Al would give up the third rounder if Smiff came into town and talked himself and the Raiders up to the ol' boss. No way on the first. Maybe a 2013 second?
I'd love to have Young and Campbell compete but I dont think Davis wants to spend much money on a QB. If Young would be willing to take a pay cut or the year becomes uncapped it might yet happen. In the middle of the 2009 season I was saying Jason Campbell would be a greatt fit but it was very unlikely to happen at that time. Then Washington got McNabb and we got lucky. I couldnt believe how much campbell struggled here though after he adjusted so quickly to different offenses in Washington. Young simuliarly seems like a good fit and I think Young deserves a shot with somebody. There must have been more behind the scenes with Young than we know about. I have no other explanation for the way Young is being treated. I think Campbell's deep ball is a little better but he struggled with our poor pass protection more than I expected. The recieving situation doesnt help either. The problem with bringing in a Vince Young is that we'd have yet another QB contraversy. We've played far too many games of musical chairs with our QBs the past several seasons. I think Al Davis wants Campbell to be the starter for a whole season to see if he's actually the player we thought he was.
I'm not. Jerry Mac has pointed this out several times, but the Raiders have really moved away from problem children the last few years, and the scouting report on their picks have usually included the terms "hard worker" or "gym rat". Barksdale is the only I can think of that doesn't fit that profile.
That is somewhat surprising since Al has a loooooooong history of reclamation projects. I know that VY doesn't fit the strong armed profile Al loves, but he is a winner. And remember that Hue was the coach that urged Cable to bench Campbell last year. I am just not convinced Campbell is anything more than a stop gap, and if things went south and the OLine wasn't gelling VY would be a perfect fit.
Me neither, but I sure do root for him. Seems like a nice guy that hasn't caught a break as a pro. I won't gt into the VY thing too much, just say that I disagree. Campbell has organized some workouts this offseason, been throwing to Murphy and DHB already, which can't be anything but good. A good writeup on him from the great Jerry Mac:http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2011/05/13/campbell-as-a-leader-must-come-to-pass/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+iba_raiders+%28Inside+The+Oakland+Raiders%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
I don’t think that being a team guy and liking Oakland will block him from his last real shot at a career payday.
This is assuming that Al Davis has that kind of money to spend. And it may be that the new CBA is a boon for Al Davis and he suddenly can craft a deal to keep Nnamdi. As things stand now, Al won’t be able to afford Nnamdi on a long term deal.
He may find himself on the roster bubble anyway, with new blood CB’s, DVD and Chekwa, CJ37 is getting old anyway, and really showed his age last year.
Are you kidding me? Huff is worth the price. He has struggled to find his niche to play in the single deep safety spot. It took him several years to figure out how to be the last line of defense. There is no other team that plays this style. So who would man Huff’s spot? Who could immediately replace him? The answer is there is no one on the team and probably very few in the NFL who would want to try the Raiders scheme.
And it’s a situation that needs correcting. If Campbell goes down, are you going to be happy with Boller as your QB? Not me. It’s obvious that Boller is the QB#3, and we need to go out and get a free agent veteran QB to come in and compete with Campbell. How does this salary situation compare to a $20 million QB that we don’t have on our roster?6. No first round pick means no waste of big money on a rookie (Al learned something from the Russell disaster)I tend to agree, but with the CBA unresolved, it’s tough to get a gauge on the savings.
Gone with the ZBS. He wasn’t terrible, but a 1st round flop that lacked the toughness that belied his looks. Too expensive to be left guard when he was paid LT money.
Nnamdi is probably gone, and the writing was on the wall when the Raiders drafted 2 CB’s this year. I really hope I am wrong. I’d love to have Nnamdi back, but if we have $15 million laying around on our roster, I’d rather see Al use it on some premium FA O-linemen. We need to re-sign Huffy and he’s a guy we can’t afford to let walk.
I doubt that the 17th pick in the draft (Solder) will command near the salary that we are paying Seymour. But there is no doubt that there is some incremental savings. As for Stanford's raise, I think it is no doubt another head scratching Al Davis moment of him having a bidding war with himself. Routt would not have gotten anywhere near that kind of money with any other team. We need Huff for continuity sake, and he's grown into the position. As for Nnamdi, those are long odds to resign him for $15M+. For that money, I think we are better off throwing some big money at the Atl FA OL's.
Not too many people actually. It's not a money thing. It's what Davis has said, and what the front office has done, or not done. They have made it clear (as clear as the Raiders make things), they are going to sit this one out. Davis has come out and said he thinks the money can be used elsewhere with better results. And he's right. Routt is ready to be a CB1. He's not a shutdown CB, there's only two of them in the league, but he's good. There are Raider fans that will never admit it, but he is. And he has been good for a while. He's just been behind a bad pass rush, across from Nnamdi. He got more work than any corner in the league last year. As to Huff, the wind seems to be blowing that he is going to leave. I dunno. I think that there's a good chance he plays a lot better as a FS in a more conventional 4-3. I just wonder how the rest of the league values him. He had a good year last year, and I think that was no coincidence that his good year coincided with the improved pass rush. Huff was never as bad as people said previous to last year, and he wasn't as good as people said he was last year. We never should have taken him as a FS with the 7th overall pick (or 8th, whatever it was). The FS in the 4-3 Cover 1 is always asked to cover way too much ground, and is too dependent on the pass rush. And most important, is rarely put in a position to create turnovers. It's not an impact position. I would like to have Huff back, but I am not willing to get into some bidding war. It'll be interesting to see where he lands. I put the odds at getting him back at about 50/50.
Seymour made 12.4 million last year. The difference in this year's salary is likely less than 3 million.The 2010 17th pick was Mike Iupati Iupati got a signing bonus of $1.2 million, a roster bonus of $874,000, a 2011 option for $4.35 million, and a one-timer of $3,682,762.You sir, are wrong'Raiderfan32904 said:
Sorry, I have been known to be wrong before, I'll admit. But I don't see where I am wrong here. Why are we discussing the 2010 first round pick that the Raiders never owned?
We traded for Seymour with our 2011 first round pick which was Nate Solder of the Patriots. And until the CBA is resolved, we don't know how much he will sign for. What will be the impact if there is a rookie cap?Also, are you comparing multiple years for Iupati and not Seymour?Seymour signed a 2 year 30 million deal. He made 12.4 million in 2010. 15 million per year is a raise of 2.6 million dollars per year for 2 years.You dont think the 2011 17th pick will get 2.6 million dollars per year over the next two years when the 2010 17th pick is making this much in his first two years?Iupati got a signing bonus of $1.2 million, a roster bonus of $874,000, a 2011 option for $4.35 million, and a one-timer of $3,682,762. Base salaries are:2010: $320,0002011: $405,000With the 2011 option, that's over 10.7 million in his first two years. Even without the option, its over 6 million which is more than the difference in Seymour's salary. How can you seriously think the 2011 1st round rookie pick wouldnt cost over 5.2 million over the next two years.Sorry, I have been known to be wrong before, I'll admit. But I don't see where I am wrong here. Why are we discussing the 2010 first round pick that the Raiders never owned?
'massraider said:
Who to spend the money on is up for debate but whoever it is will likely be overpaid as most FAs are. IMO, I'd much rather spend it on one of the very best corners in the NFL than on backup players. In reality, it would likely be spent on Huff and Johnson with about another 6 million or so to spare. Overpaing Huff, keeping 31 year old Johnson, and overpaying a couple of low impact FAs vs Nnamdi...I'd spend the money on Nnamdi.'massraider said:
It would behoove Al Davis to spend the saved $16 million on a quality backup QB and/or O-linemen.
Sorry bud, I like Nnamdi too, but Al's language and actions at the draft tell me he's not looking to pay him the uber big bucks anymore. As others have said, there are other more pressing needs (OL, WR1, TE). Have some faith in Al's drafting. He's been money in late rounds lately and I like the two CB prospects he got this year. Everyone hated on Nnamdi and Routt when Al picked them and now look.Who to spend the money on is up for debate but whoever it is will likely be overpaid as most FAs are. IMO, I'd much rather spend it on one of the very best corners in the NFL than on backup players. In reality, it would likely be spent on Huff and Johnson with about another 6 million or so to spare. Overpaing Huff, keeping 31 year old Johnson, and overpaying a couple of low impact FAs vs Nnamdi...I'd spend the money on Nnamdi.'massraider said:
It would behoove Al Davis to spend the saved $16 million on a quality backup QB and/or O-linemen.
TE is not a need at all. Miller was given a tender offer that ensures he'll stay. We just drafted 1 and 1/2 more TEs. OL has been addressed with the main exception of needing to bring back one of our FAs to compete at right tackle and provide depth. Henderson would have filled those needs the best due to his experience at LT but he declined the 1.5 million one year offer from Davis. Frankly that's about all he's worth. Bringing back Walker or Barnes for a million bucks along with not cutting Satele plus the two new rookies plus Veldheer, Campbell, Loper, Carlisle, and company... that's our line like them or not. I've said we could use a veteran receiver (WR1 is not a position) but as usual Davis just keeps drafting them. It would still be easy to let Schilens and/or Higgins leave for a more productive veteran but we are not lacking for talent at receiver, only experience.Like so many fantasy players you are too offensive minded. Losing Nnamdi is going to have a bigger impact on the team this year than adding offensive FAs. Gallery is the only guy on offense we lost that should be missed and even that is only if Bruce Campbell doesnt live up to his potential. The Raiders were 6-0 in the division last year. That's while Jason Campbell struggled to learn the system, Valdheer went through rookie pains, Gallery was hurt, Satele struggled, and we started two second year underdeveloped players at receiver. The O line and WRs are young but full of talent. Fantasy points is not what this team needs. Defense wins championships.And I guarantee you Al Davis would love Nnamdi to come back to Oakland. Trying to convince Nnamdi to come back was Woodson's primary goal. Its more up to Nnamdi and the rest of the NFL owners how much money he'll cost but my point was that we can still afford him.
Yea we get your point. Now get our point. As good as Asomuagh is he just didn't make big enough plays, int., forced fumbles, etc. to warrent that kind of money. I'm in the camp were if we can't sign him to a decent contract then its time to move on and use that money else were. A good defense does help to win championships and so does having a good offensive line. We have a very young and inexperienced line and bringing in a good offensive veteran would help a lot. It doesn't have to be an expensive offensive lineman either. There are some decent value offenisive lineman free agents that can help this team by giving Campbell that extra second or two to make a good throw so he isnt feeling so much pressure on passing downs.
If there's no cap, it'll only be for one year. It's not a Huff or Nnamdi thing. It's a Huff and 3 other FA's thing. Nnamdi is about to make more money than any defender ever. Yes, they can afford him. But they would have to pay probably 2-3 mill more than anyone else. Frankly, with what we paid the last two years, I'd say we are in line for a hometown discount. If your point is, we can afford it, then I agree. Big deal. We aren't going to do it. Kinda beating this horse to death.'UnknownCoach said:
You must really think Nnamdi wants out of Oakland to say we'd have to give him 2-3 million more than anyone else.I dont think he wants out of Oakland. I simply think that he'll use the FA market to negotiate. I think all we have to do is give a simuliar offer as to whoever offers the most money. BTW, regarding Al's public remark, that's likely just part of the negotiation. We will offer Nnamdi a lot of money. Other teams will also. None of us know how much Al will offer or how much other teams will. I expect the biggest competition will be the Cowboys but we dont know yet. People are acting like Nnamdi is as good as gone. That's not the case.
