2011 offseason dynasty trades (1 Viewer)

[No Way Jose]

12 team PPRA gave: 1.04B gave: 1.06/1.08

I'm team A. Most people, prior to the draft, see a tier of 3 guys (Green, Jones, Ingram) and then a tier of two guys (LeShoure, Williams). In the last week I've decided there is a 3rd guy in that second group. And assuming he doesn't fall to Saturday, I was going to take him at 1.04. So now I may still get him at 1.06, or may get someone above him if another owner messes up. The guy I traded with also has the 1.05 and has great WRs but very average RBs. So I think he takes the two guys mentioned above at 1.04 and 1.05 and I still get the other guy. Plus I get the 1.08 although truthfully I have no idea who I'll take there. I also have the 13th, 17th and 23rd selections. So it should be an interesting draft.

Well thanks for the tease.....I need to know who the third guy in the second tier is????????

 

[Go deep]

Gents,Would love to have some input on this trade that was accepted in my league.- Team A (winner of league and points title with stacked roster) gives 1.12, 2.12, and next year's 2nd (very likely to be 2.10-2.12).- Team B gives Team A pick 1.4.Team B is actually the worst roster in the league with an owner new to fantasy sports, and would have gotten first pick except we have new anti-tanking rules so the team in the bottom four with the most points in the last three weeks gets 1.1.One other side note, these guys are buddies and Team A brought Team B into the league.To me, the low second rounders are pretty much junk so it's like Team A is moving up to an elite pick for cheap.Is there a rookie draft pick trade value chart?Appreciate any input...Thoughts?

Thats not very good value for the 1.4, although i can see it working out after all is said and done. My rankings include rookie picks, but i wouldnt really call it a draft pick value chart. It has the team getting the 1.4 winning 79-69(7%) which is pretty one-sided, although not terrible.

 

[Go deep]

12 team PPRA gave: 1.04B gave: 1.06/1.08

I'm team A. Most people, prior to the draft, see a tier of 3 guys (Green, Jones, Ingram) and then a tier of two guys (LeShoure, Williams). In the last week I've decided there is a 3rd guy in that second group. And assuming he doesn't fall to Saturday, I was going to take him at 1.04. So now I may still get him at 1.06, or may get someone above him if another owner messes up. The guy I traded with also has the 1.05 and has great WRs but very average RBs. So I think he takes the two guys mentioned above at 1.04 and 1.05 and I still get the other guy. Plus I get the 1.08 although truthfully I have no idea who I'll take there. I also have the 13th, 17th and 23rd selections. So it should be an interesting draft.

Well thanks for the tease.....I need to know who the third guy in the second tier is????????

You will know by the end of round 3 of the NFL draft. Right now i have that guy as Shane Vereen or Greg Little, although i could see it being anyone of 10 other players. Taiwan Jones and Bilal Powell have scored suprisingly high on my final RB rankings spread sheet.

 

[eaglesfan7]

Gents,Would love to have some input on this trade that was accepted in my league.- Team A (winner of league and points title with stacked roster) gives 1.12, 2.12, and next year's 2nd (very likely to be 2.10-2.12).- Team B gives Team A pick 1.4.Team B is actually the worst roster in the league with an owner new to fantasy sports, and would have gotten first pick except we have new anti-tanking rules so the team in the bottom four with the most points in the last three weeks gets 1.1.One other side note, these guys are buddies and Team A brought Team B into the league.To me, the low second rounders are pretty much junk so it's like Team A is moving up to an elite pick for cheap.Is there a rookie draft pick trade value chart?Appreciate any input...Thoughts?

Thats not very good value for the 1.4, although i can see it working out after all is said and done. My rankings include rookie picks, but i wouldnt really call it a draft pick value chart. It has the team getting the 1.4 winning 79-69(7%) which is pretty one-sided, although not terrible.

Go Deep,clear out your messenger.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

12 team PPRA gave: 1.04B gave: 1.06/1.08

I'm team A. Most people, prior to the draft, see a tier of 3 guys (Green, Jones, Ingram) and then a tier of two guys (LeShoure, Williams). In the last week I've decided there is a 3rd guy in that second group. And assuming he doesn't fall to Saturday, I was going to take him at 1.04. So now I may still get him at 1.06, or may get someone above him if another owner messes up. The guy I traded with also has the 1.05 and has great WRs but very average RBs. So I think he takes the two guys mentioned above at 1.04 and 1.05 and I still get the other guy. Plus I get the 1.08 although truthfully I have no idea who I'll take there. I also have the 13th, 17th and 23rd selections. So it should be an interesting draft.

Well thanks for the tease.....I need to know who the third guy in the second tier is????????

You will know by the end of round 3 of the NFL draft. Right now i have that guy as Shane Vereen or Greg Little, although i could see it being anyone of 10 other players. Taiwan Jones and Bilal Powell have scored suprisingly high on my final RB rankings spread sheet.

We'll just have to wait and see although I think most people have him closer to 12 than 6. But I've seldom done what most people do.

 

[Go deep]

12 team PPRA gave: 1.04B gave: 1.06/1.08

I'm team A. Most people, prior to the draft, see a tier of 3 guys (Green, Jones, Ingram) and then a tier of two guys (LeShoure, Williams). In the last week I've decided there is a 3rd guy in that second group. And assuming he doesn't fall to Saturday, I was going to take him at 1.04. So now I may still get him at 1.06, or may get someone above him if another owner messes up. The guy I traded with also has the 1.05 and has great WRs but very average RBs. So I think he takes the two guys mentioned above at 1.04 and 1.05 and I still get the other guy. Plus I get the 1.08 although truthfully I have no idea who I'll take there. I also have the 13th, 17th and 23rd selections. So it should be an interesting draft.

Well thanks for the tease.....I need to know who the third guy in the second tier is????????

You will know by the end of round 3 of the NFL draft. Right now i have that guy as Shane Vereen or Greg Little, although i could see it being anyone of 10 other players. Taiwan Jones and Bilal Powell have scored suprisingly high on my final RB rankings spread sheet.

We'll just have to wait and see although I think most people have him closer to 12 than 6. But I've seldom done what most people do.

Vereen closer to 12 than 6? Youre probably right, but he is one of 8-10 RB's that can go to a good situation in the first 4 rounds and instantly become the 1.6 pick.

 

[No Way Jose]

Well I think you are looking at WR. Great idea to move back those two spots if you don't plan on picking a RB. However, it could backfire on you after the draft and things shake out a little different. So I will narrow it down to Cobb, Smith, and Little. Am I close?

 

[KeeferMan]

Gents,Would love to have some input on this trade that was accepted in my league.- Team A (winner of league and points title with stacked roster) gives 1.12, 2.12, and next year's 2nd (very likely to be 2.10-2.12).- Team B gives Team A pick 1.4.Team B is actually the worst roster in the league with an owner new to fantasy sports, and would have gotten first pick except we have new anti-tanking rules so the team in the bottom four with the most points in the last three weeks gets 1.1.One other side note, these guys are buddies and Team A brought Team B into the league.To me, the low second rounders are pretty much junk so it's like Team A is moving up to an elite pick for cheap.Is there a rookie draft pick trade value chart?Appreciate any input...Thoughts?

Thats not very good value for the 1.4, although i can see it working out after all is said and done. My rankings include rookie picks, but i wouldnt really call it a draft pick value chart. It has the team getting the 1.4 winning 79-69(7%) which is pretty one-sided, although not terrible.

Thanks for the feedback. Like you say it could work out so I don't want to be too petty, we're all in this to have fun too but I just feel like this guy is getting over on his buddy who is already in a crappy situation and the rest of us are getting shafted as well because he has the best team and is fleecing this dude.I already put the kibosh on a prior trade--Team A was going to give Miles Austin and 1.12 to Team B for 1.4. We are a $100 cap league and Miles' contract was $19 so it's a bad contract IMO--with the emergence of Dez I thunk Miles is probably worth $13-$14 now max. Tram A has Dez too and I felt like Miles had no trade value at that salary and would be a cap casualty for Team A otherwise.Any other input on whether I should let this slide or ???

 

[Getinthemix]

Gents,Would love to have some input on this trade that was accepted in my league.- Team A (winner of league and points title with stacked roster) gives 1.12, 2.12, and next year's 2nd (very likely to be 2.10-2.12).- Team B gives Team A pick 1.4.Team B is actually the worst roster in the league with an owner new to fantasy sports, and would have gotten first pick except we have new anti-tanking rules so the team in the bottom four with the most points in the last three weeks gets 1.1.One other side note, these guys are buddies and Team A brought Team B into the league.To me, the low second rounders are pretty much junk so it's like Team A is moving up to an elite pick for cheap.Is there a rookie draft pick trade value chart?Appreciate any input...Thoughts?

Thats not very good value for the 1.4, although i can see it working out after all is said and done. My rankings include rookie picks, but i wouldnt really call it a draft pick value chart. It has the team getting the 1.4 winning 79-69(7%) which is pretty one-sided, although not terrible.

Thanks for the feedback. Like you say it could work out so I don't want to be too petty, we're all in this to have fun too but I just feel like this guy is getting over on his buddy who is already in a crappy situation and the rest of us are getting shafted as well because he has the best team and is fleecing this dude.I already put the kibosh on a prior trade--Team A was going to give Miles Austin and 1.12 to Team B for 1.4. We are a $100 cap league and Miles' contract was $19 so it's a bad contract IMO--with the emergence of Dez I thunk Miles is probably worth $13-$14 now max. Tram A has Dez too and I felt like Miles had no trade value at that salary and would be a cap casualty for Team A.Any other input on whether I should let this slide or ???

You should let other owners manage as they see fit. You are no Lord Supreme Commander here. EDIT: quote displayed in the wrong location

 

[KeeferMan]

Gents,Would love to have some input on this trade that was accepted in my league.- Team A (winner of league and points title with stacked roster) gives 1.12, 2.12, and next year's 2nd (very likely to be 2.10-2.12).- Team B gives Team A pick 1.4.Team B is actually the worst roster in the league with an owner new to fantasy sports, and would have gotten first pick except we have new anti-tanking rules so the team in the bottom four with the most points in the last three weeks gets 1.1.One other side note, these guys are buddies and Team A brought Team B into the league.To me, the low second rounders are pretty much junk so it's like Team A is moving up to an elite pick for cheap.Is there a rookie draft pick trade value chart?Appreciate any input...Thoughts?

Thats not very good value for the 1.4, although i can see it working out after all is said and done. My rankings include rookie picks, but i wouldnt really call it a draft pick value chart. It has the team getting the 1.4 winning 79-69(7%) which is pretty one-sided, although not terrible.

Thanks for the feedback. Like you say it could work out so I don't want to be too petty, we're all in this to have fun too but I just feel like this guy is getting over on his buddy who is already in a crappy situation and the rest of us are getting shafted as well because he has the best team and is fleecing this dude.I already put the kibosh on a prior trade--Team A was going to give Miles Austin and 1.12 to Team B for 1.4. We are a $100 cap league and Miles' contract was $19 so it's a bad contract IMO--with the emergence of Dez I thunk Miles is probably worth $13-$14 now max. Tram A has Dez too and I felt like Miles had no trade value at that salary and would be a cap casualty for Team A.Any other input on whether I should let this slide or ???

You should let other owners manage as they see fit. You are no Lord Supreme Commander here. EDIT: quote displayed in the wrong location

LOL, I guess that's how I'm coming across. You've actually brought me to my next question. What's the best way to let other team owner's weigh in/approve/vote down trades? Currently we dont really have a mechanism in place so I've been the only one to really oversee it. We only have a couple of weaker/less knowledgable owners in the leagueso most trades are pretty even more or less.Is there an agreed on best practices way of letting owners decide on if a trade goes through? Or are you saying let everyone make their own deals and anyone outside of the trade doesn't have a say? I had that approach for a while and people got mad when a lopsided trade would go through...

 

[Go deep]

Gents,Would love to have some input on this trade that was accepted in my league.- Team A (winner of league and points title with stacked roster) gives 1.12, 2.12, and next year's 2nd (very likely to be 2.10-2.12).- Team B gives Team A pick 1.4.Team B is actually the worst roster in the league with an owner new to fantasy sports, and would have gotten first pick except we have new anti-tanking rules so the team in the bottom four with the most points in the last three weeks gets 1.1.One other side note, these guys are buddies and Team A brought Team B into the league.To me, the low second rounders are pretty much junk so it's like Team A is moving up to an elite pick for cheap.Is there a rookie draft pick trade value chart?Appreciate any input...Thoughts?

Thats not very good value for the 1.4, although i can see it working out after all is said and done. My rankings include rookie picks, but i wouldnt really call it a draft pick value chart. It has the team getting the 1.4 winning 79-69(7%) which is pretty one-sided, although not terrible.

Thanks for the feedback. Like you say it could work out so I don't want to be too petty, we're all in this to have fun too but I just feel like this guy is getting over on his buddy who is already in a crappy situation and the rest of us are getting shafted as well because he has the best team and is fleecing this dude.I already put the kibosh on a prior trade--Team A was going to give Miles Austin and 1.12 to Team B for 1.4. We are a $100 cap league and Miles' contract was $19 so it's a bad contract IMO--with the emergence of Dez I thunk Miles is probably worth $13-$14 now max. Tram A has Dez too and I felt like Miles had no trade value at that salary and would be a cap casualty for Team A.Any other input on whether I should let this slide or ???

You should let other owners manage as they see fit. You are no Lord Supreme Commander here. EDIT: quote displayed in the wrong location

LOL, I guess that's how I'm coming across. You've actually brought me to my next question. What's the best way to let other team owner's weigh in/approve/vote down trades? Currently we dont really have a mechanism in place so I've been the only one to really oversee it. We only have a couple of weaker/less knowledgable owners in the leagueso most trades are pretty even more or less.Is there an agreed on best practices way of letting owners decide on if a trade goes through? Or are you saying let everyone make their own deals and anyone outside of the trade doesn't have a say? I had that approach for a while and people got mad when a lopsided trade would go through...

Nothing you can do about trades like that. However, if there are two teams that trade alot with each other and it always seems lopsided i would at least talk to them.

 

[loose circuits]

Is there an agreed on best practices way of letting owners decide on if a trade goes through? Or are you saying let everyone make their own deals and anyone outside of the trade doesn't have a say? I had that approach for a while and people got mad when a lopsided trade would go through...

the only reason to veto a trade is if there is obvious collusion. Both leagues I'm in have competitive owners that are big boys and can make their own decisions

 

[KeeferMan]

Is there an agreed on best practices way of letting owners decide on if a trade goes through? Or are you saying let everyone make their own deals and anyone outside of the trade doesn't have a say? I had that approach for a while and people got mad when a lopsided trade would go through...

the only reason to veto a trade is if there is obvious collusion. Both leagues I'm in have competitive owners that are big boys and can make their own decisions

I guess you're right and I appreciate the input. 10 of 12 guys in our league are rock solid but some guys want this guy out of the league because of a bunch of lopsided trades he made last year. Our league is really competitive so some guys made out like bandits while others saw the balance of power shift.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Is there a rookie draft pick trade value chart?Appreciate any input...Thoughts?

There's a link at the bottom of Jeff Pasquino's signature to a draft pick trade calculator. I'm guessing this one turns out to be pretty lopsided.

 

[coolnerd]

Is there an agreed on best practices way of letting owners decide on if a trade goes through? Or are you saying let everyone make their own deals and anyone outside of the trade doesn't have a say? I had that approach for a while and people got mad when a lopsided trade would go through...

the only reason to veto a trade is if there is obvious collusion. Both leagues I'm in have competitive owners that are big boys and can make their own decisions

I guess you're right and I appreciate the input. 10 of 12 guys in our league are rock solid but some guys want this guy out of the league because of a bunch of lopsided trades he made last year. Our league is really competitive so some guys made out like bandits while others saw the balance of power shift.

In the leagues I commish, 1) I review the trades to make sure that is not anything absolutely silly (Rusty Smith for Peyton Manning straight up) or that smells of collusion. I am fine with teams winning or losing a trade.2) The other teams have a short period of time to dispute the trades, but both sides get to explain the why. If there are enough votes (half the not paticipating parties) then it goes to a vote. I think in the 4 or 5 years I have used these methods, only once has it gone past the reasonable explanation part much less a vote.

 

[Dez]

Is there an agreed on best practices way of letting owners decide on if a trade goes through? Or are you saying let everyone make their own deals and anyone outside of the trade doesn't have a say? I had that approach for a while and people got mad when a lopsided trade would go through...

the only reason to veto a trade is if there is obvious collusion. Both leagues I'm in have competitive owners that are big boys and can make their own decisions

You really can't veto a trade without knowing there is collusion like he said. In my dynasty league last year some guy traded Andre Johnson for this.1 guy actually quit the league the team that was at that time in 1st place like 8-1 on the year. He told me I had to void the trade or he quit. What could I do ? The other owner was just stupid for not trying to see what he could get and actually offered the deal to the other guy.Boise gave upGettis, David CAWR;Hartline, Brian MIA WRYear 2011 Round 1 Draft Pick from Las Vegas (turned into #5 pick)Year 2011 Round 2 Draft Pick from Boise (turned into #20 pick)Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Johnsons Beach (turned into #34 pick)Year 2011 Round 3 Draft Pick from Northern California (turned into #32 pick)Cleveland gave up Johnson, Andre HOU WR

 

[Ernol]

All 1 PPRTeam A Gave: Rashard Mendenhall, 1.8Team B Gave: 1.2, Dustin KellerTeam A Gave: Josh Freeman, Marshawn Lynch, Justin Forsett, Pierre Garcon, 2.10, 4.12Team B Gave: 1.4, DeAngelo WilliamsTeam A Gave: 1.7Team B Gave: DeAngelo Williams

1. Mendenhall side2. Deangelo side3. Deangelo side

Ditto, and convincingly I might add.

 

[Go deep]

All 1 PPRTeam A Gave: Rashard Mendenhall, 1.8Team B Gave: 1.2, Dustin KellerTeam A Gave: Josh Freeman, Marshawn Lynch, Justin Forsett, Pierre Garcon, 2.10, 4.12Team B Gave: 1.4, DeAngelo WilliamsTeam A Gave: 1.7Team B Gave: DeAngelo Williams

1. Mendenhall side2. Deangelo side3. Deangelo side

Ditto, and convincingly I might add.

Ditto, except the first one. i would rather have Green, Ingram or Jones over Mendnehall, and Keller is pretty close to the 1.8.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Well I think you are looking at WR. Great idea to move back those two spots if you don't plan on picking a RB. However, it could backfire on you after the draft and things shake out a little different. So I will narrow it down to Cobb, Smith, and Little. Am I close?

LOL, getting closer. But really the instructive part of this is your third sentence: The draft could easily change the current perceived order. So there is some risk when making trades like this one and I think you need to account for that. It could be that Ingram's knee is really messed up and he's the 5th or 6th RB drafted and then missing out on the top 5 will look stupid. But I think picking up the 8th pick mitigates that risk. Really if I can get one every week long term starter out of those two picks, I'll be pretty happy. It is probably more likely for that to happen than to get an every week long term starter out of just the 1.04, although if you love one of those RBs, maybe you'd disagree.

 

[fsufan]

Gents,Would love to have some input on this trade that was accepted in my league.- Team A (winner of league and points title with stacked roster) gives 1.12, 2.12, and next year's 2nd (very likely to be 2.10-2.12).- Team B gives Team A pick 1.4.Team B is actually the worst roster in the league with an owner new to fantasy sports, and would have gotten first pick except we have new anti-tanking rules so the team in the bottom four with the most points in the last three weeks gets 1.1.One other side note, these guys are buddies and Team A brought Team B into the league.To me, the low second rounders are pretty much junk so it's like Team A is moving up to an elite pick for cheap.Is there a rookie draft pick trade value chart?Appreciate any input...Thoughts?

Thats not very good value for the 1.4, although i can see it working out after all is said and done. My rankings include rookie picks, but i wouldnt really call it a draft pick value chart. It has the team getting the 1.4 winning 79-69(7%) which is pretty one-sided, although not terrible.

Thanks for the feedback. Like you say it could work out so I don't want to be too petty, we're all in this to have fun too but I just feel like this guy is getting over on his buddy who is already in a crappy situation and the rest of us are getting shafted as well because he has the best team and is fleecing this dude.I already put the kibosh on a prior trade--Team A was going to give Miles Austin and 1.12 to Team B for 1.4. We are a $100 cap league and Miles' contract was $19 so it's a bad contract IMO--with the emergence of Dez I thunk Miles is probably worth $13-$14 now max. Tram A has Dez too and I felt like Miles had no trade value at that salary and would be a cap casualty for Team A.Any other input on whether I should let this slide or ???

You should let other owners manage as they see fit. You are no Lord Supreme Commander here. EDIT: quote displayed in the wrong location

LOL, I guess that's how I'm coming across. You've actually brought me to my next question. What's the best way to let other team owner's weigh in/approve/vote down trades? Currently we dont really have a mechanism in place so I've been the only one to really oversee it. We only have a couple of weaker/less knowledgable owners in the leagueso most trades are pretty even more or less.Is there an agreed on best practices way of letting owners decide on if a trade goes through? Or are you saying let everyone make their own deals and anyone outside of the trade doesn't have a say? I had that approach for a while and people got mad when a lopsided trade would go through...

you cannot just add a voting process when you see fit. let owners manage their own teams.

 

[DansRams]

Gents,Would love to have some input on this trade that was accepted in my league.- Team A (winner of league and points title with stacked roster) gives 1.12, 2.12, and next year's 2nd (very likely to be 2.10-2.12).- Team B gives Team A pick 1.4.Team B is actually the worst roster in the league with an owner new to fantasy sports, and would have gotten first pick except we have new anti-tanking rules so the team in the bottom four with the most points in the last three weeks gets 1.1.One other side note, these guys are buddies and Team A brought Team B into the league.To me, the low second rounders are pretty much junk so it's like Team A is moving up to an elite pick for cheap.Is there a rookie draft pick trade value chart?Appreciate any input...Thoughts?

Thats not very good value for the 1.4, although i can see it working out after all is said and done. My rankings include rookie picks, but i wouldnt really call it a draft pick value chart. It has the team getting the 1.4 winning 79-69(7%) which is pretty one-sided, although not terrible.

Thanks for the feedback. Like you say it could work out so I don't want to be too petty, we're all in this to have fun too but I just feel like this guy is getting over on his buddy who is already in a crappy situation and the rest of us are getting shafted as well because he has the best team and is fleecing this dude.I already put the kibosh on a prior trade--Team A was going to give Miles Austin and 1.12 to Team B for 1.4. We are a $100 cap league and Miles' contract was $19 so it's a bad contract IMO--with the emergence of Dez I thunk Miles is probably worth $13-$14 now max. Tram A has Dez too and I felt like Miles had no trade value at that salary and would be a cap casualty for Team A.Any other input on whether I should let this slide or ???

You should let other owners manage as they see fit. You are no Lord Supreme Commander here. EDIT: quote displayed in the wrong location

LOL, I guess that's how I'm coming across. You've actually brought me to my next question. What's the best way to let other team owner's weigh in/approve/vote down trades? Currently we dont really have a mechanism in place so I've been the only one to really oversee it. We only have a couple of weaker/less knowledgable owners in the leagueso most trades are pretty even more or less.Is there an agreed on best practices way of letting owners decide on if a trade goes through? Or are you saying let everyone make their own deals and anyone outside of the trade doesn't have a say? I had that approach for a while and people got mad when a lopsided trade would go through...

you cannot just add a voting process when you see fit. let owners manage their own teams.

One idea I have thought about is to allow for a 48 hr window where all owners have an opportunity to present a better offer to the owner that is on the bad side of a lopsided trade (the players/picks on the bad side cant change). If they can change that owners mind to take a different offer so be it. If they can't, well maybe it wasn't as lopsided as they thought. This way it isn't avote where people can just try to stop a trade where a good team is getting better...they have to put their trade offer where there mouth is.

 

[Couch Potato]

One idea I have thought about is to allow for a 48 hr window where all owners have an opportunity to present a better offer to the owner that is on the bad side of a lopsided trade (the players/picks on the bad side cant change). If they can change that owners mind to take a different offer so be it. If they can't, well maybe it wasn't as lopsided as they thought. This way it isn't avote where people can just try to stop a trade where a good team is getting better...they have to put their trade offer where there mouth is.

I'd never be involved in a league that did this. So I'm supposed to go to the effort of fashioning a trade offer for someone, just so he can use it as a baseline for all other owners without even having to lift a finger to contact them? No way.

 

[DansRams]

One idea I have thought about is to allow for a 48 hr window where all owners have an opportunity to present a better offer to the owner that is on the bad side of a lopsided trade (the players/picks on the bad side cant change). If they can change that owners mind to take a different offer so be it. If they can't, well maybe it wasn't as lopsided as they thought. This way it isn't avote where people can just try to stop a trade where a good team is getting better...they have to put their trade offer where there mouth is.

I'd never be involved in a league that did this. So I'm supposed to go to the effort of fashioning a trade offer for someone, just so he can use it as a baseline for all other owners without even having to lift a finger to contact them? No way.

I don't disagree with you, but this is an idea as an alternative to league votes or dictator commishes to veto trades. My number one view is no veto's period, but unfortunately some feel the need to control. I think my idea is a better alternative. If no veto's isn't an alternative...What would be your view of the best way to manage "lopsided trades"?

 

[todisco1]

One idea I have thought about is to allow for a 48 hr window where all owners have an opportunity to present a better offer to the owner that is on the bad side of a lopsided trade (the players/picks on the bad side cant change). If they can change that owners mind to take a different offer so be it. If they can't, well maybe it wasn't as lopsided as they thought. This way it isn't avote where people can just try to stop a trade where a good team is getting better...they have to put their trade offer where there mouth is.

I'd never be involved in a league that did this. So I'm supposed to go to the effort of fashioning a trade offer for someone, just so he can use it as a baseline for all other owners without even having to lift a finger to contact them? No way.

I don't disagree with you, but this is an idea as an alternative to league votes or dictator commishes to veto trades. My number one view is no veto's period, but unfortunately some feel the need to control. I think my idea is a better alternative. If no veto's isn't an alternative...What would be your view of the best way to manage "lopsided trades".

Yeah, I'd never be involved in a league like this either. No way.

 

[DansRams]

One idea I have thought about is to allow for a 48 hr window where all owners have an opportunity to present a better offer to the owner that is on the bad side of a lopsided trade (the players/picks on the bad side cant change). If they can change that owners mind to take a different offer so be it. If they can't, well maybe it wasn't as lopsided as they thought. This way it isn't avote where people can just try to stop a trade where a good team is getting better...they have to put their trade offer where there mouth is.

I'd never be involved in a league that did this. So I'm supposed to go to the effort of fashioning a trade offer for someone, just so he can use it as a baseline for all other owners without even having to lift a finger to contact them? No way.

I don't disagree with you, but this is an idea as an alternative to league votes or dictator commishes to veto trades. My number one view is no veto's period, but unfortunately some feel the need to control. I think my idea is a better alternative. If no veto's isn't an alternative...What would be your view of the best way to manage "lopsided trades"?

Yeah, I'd never be involved in a league like this either. No way.

Okay, so what is your answer to my quesion?

 

[todisco1]

One idea I have thought about is to allow for a 48 hr window where all owners have an opportunity to present a better offer to the owner that is on the bad side of a lopsided trade (the players/picks on the bad side cant change). If they can change that owners mind to take a different offer so be it. If they can't, well maybe it wasn't as lopsided as they thought. This way it isn't avote where people can just try to stop a trade where a good team is getting better...they have to put their trade offer where there mouth is.

I'd never be involved in a league that did this. So I'm supposed to go to the effort of fashioning a trade offer for someone, just so he can use it as a baseline for all other owners without even having to lift a finger to contact them? No way.

I don't disagree with you, but this is an idea as an alternative to league votes or dictator commishes to veto trades. My number one view is no veto's period, but unfortunately some feel the need to control. I think my idea is a better alternative. If no veto's isn't an alternative...What would be your view of the best way to manage "lopsided trades"?

Yeah, I'd never be involved in a league like this either. No way.

Okay, so what is your answer to my quesion?

Don't have a great answer, but I'd much rather let lopsided trades go through than give a 48 hour window for people to better an offer. I think if a truly lopsided trade goes through like Chris Johnson for Brian Hartline, you have to veto to protect the integrity of the league. Other than that, it has to go through. In one of my leagues a guy traded Adrian Peterson for Felix Jones/Tashard Choice. People grumbled a bit and I wasn't happy that the ADP owner didn't shop Peterson around first as he didn't seem to get good value, but sometimes those deals happen.

 

[DansRams]

One idea I have thought about is to allow for a 48 hr window where all owners have an opportunity to present a better offer to the owner that is on the bad side of a lopsided trade (the players/picks on the bad side cant change). If they can change that owners mind to take a different offer so be it. If they can't, well maybe it wasn't as lopsided as they thought. This way it isn't avote where people can just try to stop a trade where a good team is getting better...they have to put their trade offer where there mouth is.

I'd never be involved in a league that did this. So I'm supposed to go to the effort of fashioning a trade offer for someone, just so he can use it as a baseline for all other owners without even having to lift a finger to contact them? No way.

I don't disagree with you, but this is an idea as an alternative to league votes or dictator commishes to veto trades. My number one view is no veto's period, but unfortunately some feel the need to control. I think my idea is a better alternative. If no veto's isn't an alternative...What would be your view of the best way to manage "lopsided trades"?

Yeah, I'd never be involved in a league like this either. No way.

Okay, so what is your answer to my quesion?

Don't have a great answer, but I'd much rather let lopsided trades go through than give a 48 hour window for people to better an offer. I think if a truly lopsided trade goes through like Chris Johnson for Brian Hartline, you have to veto to protect the integrity of the league. Other than that, it has to go through. In one of my leagues a guy traded Adrian Peterson for Felix Jones/Tashard Choice. People grumbled a bit and I wasn't happy that the ADP owner didn't shop Peterson around first as he didn't seem to get good value, but sometimes those deals happen.

I agree with you...no veto except extreme circumstances is the key. The commish in my league vetoed a trade because he thought it advantaged an owner by a 3rd round rookie pick. I would rather my rule instead of that.

 

[todisco1]

One idea I have thought about is to allow for a 48 hr window where all owners have an opportunity to present a better offer to the owner that is on the bad side of a lopsided trade (the players/picks on the bad side cant change). If they can change that owners mind to take a different offer so be it. If they can't, well maybe it wasn't as lopsided as they thought. This way it isn't avote where people can just try to stop a trade where a good team is getting better...they have to put their trade offer where there mouth is.

I'd never be involved in a league that did this. So I'm supposed to go to the effort of fashioning a trade offer for someone, just so he can use it as a baseline for all other owners without even having to lift a finger to contact them? No way.

I don't disagree with you, but this is an idea as an alternative to league votes or dictator commishes to veto trades. My number one view is no veto's period, but unfortunately some feel the need to control. I think my idea is a better alternative. If no veto's isn't an alternative...What would be your view of the best way to manage "lopsided trades"?

Yeah, I'd never be involved in a league like this either. No way.

Okay, so what is your answer to my quesion?

Don't have a great answer, but I'd much rather let lopsided trades go through than give a 48 hour window for people to better an offer. I think if a truly lopsided trade goes through like Chris Johnson for Brian Hartline, you have to veto to protect the integrity of the league. Other than that, it has to go through. In one of my leagues a guy traded Adrian Peterson for Felix Jones/Tashard Choice. People grumbled a bit and I wasn't happy that the ADP owner didn't shop Peterson around first as he didn't seem to get good value, but sometimes those deals happen.

I agree with you...no veto except extreme circumstances is the key. The commish in my league vetoed a trade because he thought it advantaged an owner by a 3rd round rookie pick. I would rather my rule instead of that.

Well, that's a commish issue IMO - I'd have second thoughts about being in a league where the commish vetoes something that close. I put a lot of effort into making trades, and to see one vetoed like that would really tick me off.

 

[fsufan]

One idea I have thought about is to allow for a 48 hr window where all owners have an opportunity to present a better offer to the owner that is on the bad side of a lopsided trade (the players/picks on the bad side cant change). If they can change that owners mind to take a different offer so be it. If they can't, well maybe it wasn't as lopsided as they thought. This way it isn't avote where people can just try to stop a trade where a good team is getting better...they have to put their trade offer where there mouth is.

I'd never be involved in a league that did this. So I'm supposed to go to the effort of fashioning a trade offer for someone, just so he can use it as a baseline for all other owners without even having to lift a finger to contact them? No way.

I don't disagree with you, but this is an idea as an alternative to league votes or dictator commishes to veto trades. My number one view is no veto's period, but unfortunately some feel the need to control. I think my idea is a better alternative. If no veto's isn't an alternative...What would be your view of the best way to manage "lopsided trades"?

Yeah, I'd never be involved in a league like this either. No way.

Okay, so what is your answer to my quesion?

Don't have a great answer, but I'd much rather let lopsided trades go through than give a 48 hour window for people to better an offer. I think if a truly lopsided trade goes through like Chris Johnson for Brian Hartline, you have to veto to protect the integrity of the league. Other than that, it has to go through. In one of my leagues a guy traded Adrian Peterson for Felix Jones/Tashard Choice. People grumbled a bit and I wasn't happy that the ADP owner didn't shop Peterson around first as he didn't seem to get good value, but sometimes those deals happen.

I agree with you...no veto except extreme circumstances is the key. The commish in my league vetoed a trade because he thought it advantaged an owner by a 3rd round rookie pick. I would rather my rule instead of that.

Well, that's a commish issue IMO - I'd have second thoughts about being in a league where the commish vetoes something that close. I put a lot of effort into making trades, and to see one vetoed like that would really tick me off.

as a dynasty commish of 13 years, it really shocks me that a commish thinks he has that kind of power

 

[Couch Potato]

One idea I have thought about is to allow for a 48 hr window where all owners have an opportunity to present a better offer to the owner that is on the bad side of a lopsided trade (the players/picks on the bad side cant change). If they can change that owners mind to take a different offer so be it. If they can't, well maybe it wasn't as lopsided as they thought. This way it isn't avote where people can just try to stop a trade where a good team is getting better...they have to put their trade offer where there mouth is.

I'd never be involved in a league that did this. So I'm supposed to go to the effort of fashioning a trade offer for someone, just so he can use it as a baseline for all other owners without even having to lift a finger to contact them? No way.

I don't disagree with you, but this is an idea as an alternative to league votes or dictator commishes to veto trades. My number one view is no veto's period, but unfortunately some feel the need to control. I think my idea is a better alternative. If no veto's isn't an alternative...What would be your view of the best way to manage "lopsided trades"?

In a group of leagues I'm in, we have this rule:1.7 Approval/protests of trades...any owners not involved in a trade can protest up to 48 hrs of announcement from 2nd owner. If 1/3 (or 4) of the owners protest a trade, the nature of the trade would then be questioned by the league's Commissioner. A 3-person review board, made up of those not involved in the trade or protest, will examine the merits of the trade and will determine if the trade will stand. This decision will be final.

Showing collusion isn't required, because for all practical purposes collusion can never be proven, and if that were the sole criterion no trade would ever be overturned. Instead, it needs to be determined that the trade is non-competitive enough that it's not in the best interest of the league for the trade to be allowable; in essence, that it's not justifiable either short-term or long-term. Both parties to the trade are able to give their justification for the deal in writing to the league before the 3 man panel votes. So, it takes 4 owners willing to protest and another 2 out of 3 to uphold the protest as the review board. These are 14 team leagues.

We've had just a couple of trades overturned since 2003 and I'm in 6 of these leagues, so it really does only affect really horrible trades, not just trades in which one guy won and there is a grumbler or two in the league complaining about it. And certainly the Commissioner has no singular authority over trades. Simply having the title of Commissioner doesn't make his judgment better than that of other owners.

 

[battlestar]

16 Team Dynasty PPR Start 2 WR

I am in win now mode, traded 1.6 (which I got for Jimmy Clausen two months ago)

for

Kenny Britt and Jermaine Gresham. Both players are for depth.

Antonio Gates is my starter at TE as are Fitz and Hakeem at WR.

I may be wrong but this felt like trading 1 lottery ticket for two.

Thoughts?

 

[Eastwood]

I traded 1.6 (which I got for Jimmy Clausen two months ago)

Does Jimmy Clausen's mom play in your league? holy crap!!

 

[jeter23]

16 Team Dynasty PPR Start 2 WRI am in win now mode, traded 1.6 (which I got for Jimmy Clausen two months ago)forKenny Britt and Jermaine Gresham. Both players are for depth.Antonio Gates is my starter at TE as are Fitz and Hakeem at WR.I may be wrong but this felt like trading 1 lottery ticket for two.Thoughts?

I think Britt is worth more than this on his own, and Gresham is worth a good 2nd at least, if not a 1st.

 

[munchkin]

One idea I have thought about is to allow for a 48 hr window where all owners have an opportunity to present a better offer to the owner that is on the bad side of a lopsided trade (the players/picks on the bad side cant change). If they can change that owners mind to take a different offer so be it. If they can't, well maybe it wasn't as lopsided as they thought. This way it isn't avote where people can just try to stop a trade where a good team is getting better...they have to put their trade offer where there mouth is.

I'd never be involved in a league that did this. So I'm supposed to go to the effort of fashioning a trade offer for someone, just so he can use it as a baseline for all other owners without even having to lift a finger to contact them? No way.

I don't disagree with you, but this is an idea as an alternative to league votes or dictator commishes to veto trades. My number one view is no veto's period, but unfortunately some feel the need to control. I think my idea is a better alternative. If no veto's isn't an alternative...What would be your view of the best way to manage "lopsided trades"?

In a group of leagues I'm in, we have this rule:1.7 Approval/protests of trades...any owners not involved in a trade can protest up to 48 hrs of announcement from 2nd owner. If 1/3 (or 4) of the owners protest a trade, the nature of the trade would then be questioned by the league's Commissioner. A 3-person review board, made up of those not involved in the trade or protest, will examine the merits of the trade and will determine if the trade will stand. This decision will be final.

Showing collusion isn't required, because for all practical purposes collusion can never be proven, and if that were the sole criterion no trade would ever be overturned. Instead, it needs to be determined that the trade is non-competitive enough that it's not in the best interest of the league for the trade to be allowable; in essence, that it's not justifiable either short-term or long-term. Both parties to the trade are able to give their justification for the deal in writing to the league before the 3 man panel votes. So, it takes 4 owners willing to protest and another 2 out of 3 to uphold the protest as the review board. These are 14 team leagues.

We've had just a couple of trades overturned since 2003 and I'm in 6 of these leagues, so it really does only affect really horrible trades, not just trades in which one guy won and there is a grumbler or two in the league complaining about it. And certainly the Commissioner has no singular authority over trades. Simply having the title of Commissioner doesn't make his judgment better than that of other owners.

Wow, that a lot of League involvement. I am not pointing that out to say it is wrong but that I am amazed the troops will rally and participate to that extent. My guess is that makes for a strong League and more solid teams.As has been stated above I don't think Leagues should be micromanaged but if one enters a League with trade rules in place they have to be honored and enforced; otherwise Kitty bar the door and if something out of the ordinary takes place League members could vote to expel the people involved. If people continue to make bad trades it does mess up the balance of the League for a while and makes it difficult to find replacement owners; particularly if money is involved.

 

[loose circuits]

L gave up Blount, LeGarrette TBB RB;Hightower, Tim ARI RB;Wells, Chris ARI RB;Nelson, Jordy GBP WR; Year 2011 Draft Pick 4.11

S gave up Jennings, Greg GBP WR;Morgan, Josh SFO WR;Royal, Eddie DEN WR; Year 2011 Draft Pick 3.02

 

[Go deep]

16 Team Dynasty PPR Start 2 WRI am in win now mode, traded 1.6 (which I got for Jimmy Clausen two months ago)forKenny Britt and Jermaine Gresham. Both players are for depth.Antonio Gates is my starter at TE as are Fitz and Hakeem at WR.I may be wrong but this felt like trading 1 lottery ticket for two.Thoughts?

So you basically got Britt and Gresham for nothing. Both those trades are terrible.

 

[JPeso]

All 1 PPRTeam A Gave: Rashard Mendenhall, 1.8Team B Gave: 1.2, Dustin KellerTeam A Gave: Josh Freeman, Marshawn Lynch, Justin Forsett, Pierre Garcon, 2.10, 4.12Team B Gave: 1.4, DeAngelo WilliamsTeam A Gave: 1.7Team B Gave: DeAngelo Williams

1. Mendenhall side2. Deangelo side3. Deangelo side

Ditto, and convincingly I might add.

Ditto, except the first one. i would rather have Green, Ingram or Jones over Mendnehall, and Keller is pretty close to the 1.8.

I fought an internal battle with that one, guys, let me know what you would have done with the residual below roster:Romo / RyanCharles / Ray / Spiller / DeAngelo / DBrownCalvin / Andre / Roddy / Austin / Dez / DeSean / Mike Wil / CrabtreeFinley1.4 / 1.6We start 2-3 RB, 3-4 WR, most weeks Mendenhall wouldn't start.

 

[No Way Jose]

All 1 PPRTeam A Gave: Rashard Mendenhall, 1.8Team B Gave: 1.2, Dustin KellerTeam A Gave: Josh Freeman, Marshawn Lynch, Justin Forsett, Pierre Garcon, 2.10, 4.12Team B Gave: 1.4, DeAngelo WilliamsTeam A Gave: 1.7Team B Gave: DeAngelo Williams

1. Mendenhall side2. Deangelo side3. Deangelo side

Ditto, and convincingly I might add.

Ditto, except the first one. i would rather have Green, Ingram or Jones over Mendnehall, and Keller is pretty close to the 1.8.

I fought an internal battle with that one, guys, let me know what you would have done with the residual below roster:Romo / RyanCharles / Ray / Spiller / DeAngelo / DBrownCalvin / Andre / Roddy / Austin / Dez / DeSean / Mike Wil / CrabtreeFinley1.4 / 1.6We start 2-3 RB, 3-4 WR, most weeks Mendenhall wouldn't start.

you can do whatever the hell you want with that roster.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I traded 1.6 (which I got for Jimmy Clausen two months ago)

Does Jimmy Clausen's mom play in your league? holy crap!!

How is that even possible? He didn't even go that high in drafts last year. So after a season where he looks like crap, his value goes up?

 

[battlestar]

I traded 1.6 (which I got for Jimmy Clausen two months ago)

Does Jimmy Clausen's mom play in your league? holy crap!!

How is that even possible? He didn't even go that high in drafts last year. So after a season where he looks like crap, his value goes up?

Sorry - it was Clausen AND the 2.14 and I should have mentioned it's a superflex (RB/WR/TE/QB) rather than standard flex - which increases QB value(significantly - most teams try to start 2 QB's). He was desperate for a qb so I swooped in and made the offer. His only other QB is Flacco so he was looking for a starter, i gladly obliged...The owner to whom I traded the 1.6 is crazy about the rookies this year and is highly over-valuing those picks, so once again - I saw opportunity and threw out an offer. He took it.And now Clausen and a late 2nd has become Britt and Gresham.Sorry for the error of omission on the Clausen details -it was a few months ago.

 

[Go deep]

I traded 1.6 (which I got for Jimmy Clausen two months ago)

Does Jimmy Clausen's mom play in your league? holy crap!!

How is that even possible? He didn't even go that high in drafts last year. So after a season where he looks like crap, his value goes up?

Sorry - it was Clausen AND the 2.14 and I should have mentioned it's a superflex (RB/WR/TE/QB) rather than standard flex - which increases QB value(significantly - most teams try to start 2 QB's). He was desperate for a qb so I swooped in and made the offer. His only other QB is Flacco so he was looking for a starter, i gladly obliged...The owner to whom I traded the 1.6 is crazy about the rookies this year and is highly over-valuing those picks, so once again - I saw opportunity and threw out an offer. He took it.And now Clausen and a late 2nd has become Britt and Gresham.Sorry for the error of omission on the Clausen details -it was a few months ago.

In that case it goes from horrible to just really bad.

 

[jeter23]

12 team PPR

Gave: Jordy Nelson

Got: 1.13

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I traded 1.6 (which I got for Jimmy Clausen two months ago)

Does Jimmy Clausen's mom play in your league? holy crap!!

How is that even possible? He didn't even go that high in drafts last year. So after a season where he looks like crap, his value goes up?

Sorry - it was Clausen AND the 2.14 and I should have mentioned it's a superflex (RB/WR/TE/QB) rather than standard flex - which increases QB value(significantly - most teams try to start 2 QB's). He was desperate for a qb so I swooped in and made the offer. His only other QB is Flacco so he was looking for a starter, i gladly obliged...The owner to whom I traded the 1.6 is crazy about the rookies this year and is highly over-valuing those picks, so once again - I saw opportunity and threw out an offer. He took it.And now Clausen and a late 2nd has become Britt and Gresham.Sorry for the error of omission on the Clausen details -it was a few months ago.

Those details don't really make it any more acceptable and perhaps make it even worse. Why not just use the 1.6 to draft one of the rookie QBs? Afterall there's a pretty significant chance that Clausen doesn't even start this year.

 

[Getinthemix]

12 team PPR

Gave: Jordy Nelson

Got: 1.13

 

[jeter23]

12 team PPR

Gave: Jordy Nelson

Got: 1.13

Supplemental pick for the toilet bowl champ. Sorry, should've mentioned that the first time.

 

[Buckna]

I traded 1.6 (which I got for Jimmy Clausen two months ago)

Does Jimmy Clausen's mom play in your league? holy crap!!

How is that even possible? He didn't even go that high in drafts last year. So after a season where he looks like crap, his value goes up?

Sorry - it was Clausen AND the 2.14 and I should have mentioned it's a superflex (RB/WR/TE/QB) rather than standard flex - which increases QB value(significantly - most teams try to start 2 QB's). He was desperate for a qb so I swooped in and made the offer. His only other QB is Flacco so he was looking for a starter, i gladly obliged...The owner to whom I traded the 1.6 is crazy about the rookies this year and is highly over-valuing those picks, so once again - I saw opportunity and threw out an offer. He took it.And now Clausen and a late 2nd has become Britt and Gresham.Sorry for the error of omission on the Clausen details -it was a few months ago.

Those details don't really make it any more acceptable and perhaps make it even worse. Why not just use the 1.6 to draft one of the rookie QBs? Afterall there's a pretty significant chance that Clausen doesn't even start this year.

My thoughts as well, the 1.6 is even more valuable with that setup as the owner could end up with 1 of the rookie QB's or with a top WR or RB prospect. Makes a little more sense that someone might trade Britt & Gresham for it (still seems like selling low on Britt) but don't understand the Clausen trade at all.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I traded 1.6 (which I got for Jimmy Clausen two months ago)

Does Jimmy Clausen's mom play in your league? holy crap!!

How is that even possible? He didn't even go that high in drafts last year. So after a season where he looks like crap, his value goes up?

Sorry - it was Clausen AND the 2.14 and I should have mentioned it's a superflex (RB/WR/TE/QB) rather than standard flex - which increases QB value(significantly - most teams try to start 2 QB's). He was desperate for a qb so I swooped in and made the offer. His only other QB is Flacco so he was looking for a starter, i gladly obliged...The owner to whom I traded the 1.6 is crazy about the rookies this year and is highly over-valuing those picks, so once again - I saw opportunity and threw out an offer. He took it.

And now Clausen and a late 2nd has become Britt and Gresham.

Sorry for the error of omission on the Clausen details -it was a few months ago.

Those details don't really make it any more acceptable and perhaps make it even worse. Why not just use the 1.6 to draft one of the rookie QBs? Afterall there's a pretty significant chance that Clausen doesn't even start this year.

My thoughts as well, the 1.6 is even more valuable with that setup as the owner could end up with 1 of the rookie QB's or with a top WR or RB prospect. Makes a little more sense that someone might trade Britt & Gresham for it (still seems like selling low on Britt) but don't understand the Clausen trade at all.

I agree the 1.6 is even more valuable in that format than in start 1 QB leagues - and while I wouldn't trade Britt and Gresham for it, that trade wasn't that bad considering Britt's knucklehead risk.Trading Mikel Leshoure, Ryan Williams, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert (or too many other rookies to list) for Jimmy Clausen is a move that should have seen some serious backlash in that league.

I've always railed against the "trade veto" crowd, but some of the trades I've seen listed in this thread could really ruin a league.

 

[SpineDoc]

12 Team PPR

Team A Gives: MSW, Bradshaw, 2.10

Team B Gives: R. Wayne, B. Wells

Team C Gives: MJD, Starks, Hernandez

Team D Gives: Mendenhall, Tampa Mike

Team E Gives: LT, McNight, 2.04

Team F Gives: B. Wells, Hightower, 5.09, 6.09

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

12 Team PPR

Team A Gives: MSW, Bradshaw, 2.10

Team B Gives: R. Wayne, B. Wells

I like team A

Team C Gives: MJD, Starks, Hernandez

Team D Gives: Mendenhall, Tampa Mike

I like team D

Team E Gives: LT, McNight, 2.04

Team F Gives: B. Wells, Hightower, 5.09, 6.09

I like Team E big time

 

[Andy Dufresne]

12 Team PPRTeam A Gives: MSW, Bradshaw, 2.10Team B Gives: R. Wayne, B. WellsTeam C Gives: MJD, Starks, HernandezTeam D Gives: Mendenhall, Tampa MikeTeam E Gives: LT, McNight, 2.04Team F Gives: B. Wells, Hightower, 5.09, 6.09

A (but not by much), C, E