2011 offseason dynasty trades (1 Viewer)

[greggorymac]

12 team, Non-PPR, 6pts all TDs

Team A trades Team B:

Manning

Maclin

for

Romo

Jennings

 

[bigern1000]

12 team, Non-PPR, 6pts all TDsTeam A trades Team B:ManningMaclinforRomoJennings

I'll be the one to ask -- Eli or Peyton...?

 

[Go deep]

There are free dynasty leagues? What's the point?That's like playing poker with play money. I don't get it.

Some people do stuff just for the fun of it.

That's why I play FF. But I play the money leagues because that makes my time put into it worthwhile.I couldn't imagine putting the time I do into a free league. As with play money poker tables, I would imagine the level of competition and investment is much, much lower. I don't buy the above poster's assessment that serious FFers play free leagues. I don't think you'll see Doyle Brunson at the play money tables.

That was kind of my theory when i first started. After doing both for a few years i realized that the competition and level of owners was probably higher in the free leagues. Not to mention there is a certain level of shady behavior in money leagues that you wont find in free leagues. Money leagues fold at a much higher rate, which is likely due to the previous point. To me there is only one reason to value a guy like Steven Jackson over Ryan Mathews and thats because you are looking for quick money because you know there is a chance the league will fold in the near future. Thats why people say i dont look further down the road than 3 years, because there is a chance the league wont exist after that.. Im all for betting or putting money on things. I wouldnt play poker or redraft football without money. i cant watch a whole college football game unless i have money on it. But when it comes to dynasty football, my love of the game is more important than a few bucks. People act like 50 or 100 bucks makes a huge difference. I could make 100 times that with the amount of time i spend on this message board alone. The way i see it, those in it only for the money dont like it enough, or at least for the right reasons. Well, maybe not the right reasons, but just the reasons i play. Im sure playing in a money dynasty has its own kind of fun, just not the kind im looking for. I like to know my dynasty leagues is going to be around in 10 years(assuming the world doesnt end in October). I dont want to play the game of get as much money as i can before the league folds(not saying that all money leagues are like this).

 

[We Tigers]

Those are people you know and trust, though. With the relative boom in fantasy over the past decade, there are tons of online-only pay leagues.

 

[fsufan]

There are free dynasty leagues? What's the point?

That's like playing poker with play money. I don't get it.

Some people do stuff just for the fun of it becuase they are broke

 

[No Way Jose]

12 Team PPR

Made two deals yesterday in same league

Gave:

Jackson, Steven STL RB

Johnson, Andre HOU WR

Got:

Mathews, Ryan SDC RB

Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR

- AND -

Gave:

Ford, Jacoby OAK WR

Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD Machine

Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Polk High TD Machine

Got:

Austin, Miles DAL WR

*Those 1sts should be late.

I bet you broke the accept button on that one.

Why so eager to downgrade at both RB and WR, and get nothing in return?

You're joking, right? How did doowain downgrade at both positions?

Easy. Andre Johnson > Hakeem Nicks

Steven Jackson > Ryan Matthews

am I really the only one who feels this way?

I would take Nicks and Matthews and I am not a Matthews fan at all but this is called dynasty and you have to take age into consideration.Here you can get younger with the possibly of not even giving up any points in the exhange.

Nicks and Matthews could easily outscore AJ and Jackson this year.

In 2 years from now you won't be able to get anything for S-Jackson and AJ will be a harder sell 2 years from now.

Nicks is a beast and by some accounts the #1 dynasty WR right now.

S-Jackson is on the decline he gets banged up a lot and is not getting any younger.

The team picking up Nicks and Matthews will still be able to compete for a title this year and be stronger 2-3 years from now for the next 5 years.

This guy gets it.

 

[sihaokills]

12 team, Non-PPR, 6pts all TDsTeam A trades Team B:ManningMaclinforRomoJennings

Great trade for the Manning side if its Peyton... Lots of hope in Maclin

 

[loose circuits]

12 team, Non-PPR, 6pts all TDsTeam A trades Team B:ManningMaclinforRomoJennings

I'll be the one to ask -- Eli or Peyton...?

Rashad or Greg?

 

[sihaokills]

12 team, Non-PPR, 6pts all TDsTeam A trades Team B:ManningMaclinforRomoJennings

I'll be the one to ask -- Eli or Peyton...?

Rashad or Greg?

I am sure it's Greg Jennings my friend

 

[Instinctive]

There are free dynasty leagues? What's the point?That's like playing poker with play money. I don't get it.

Some people do stuff just for the fun of it.

That's why I play FF. But I play the money leagues because that makes my time put into it worthwhile.I couldn't imagine putting the time I do into a free league. As with play money poker tables, I would imagine the level of competition and investment is much, much lower. I don't buy the above poster's assessment that serious FFers play free leagues. I don't think you'll see Doyle Brunson at the play money tables.

That was kind of my theory when i first started. After doing both for a few years i realized that the competition and level of owners was probably higher in the free leagues. Not to mention there is a certain level of shady behavior in money leagues that you wont find in free leagues. Money leagues fold at a much higher rate, which is likely due to the previous point. To me there is only one reason to value a guy like Steven Jackson over Ryan Mathews and thats because you are looking for quick money because you know there is a chance the league will fold in the near future. Thats why people say i dont look further down the road than 3 years, because there is a chance the league wont exist after that.. Im all for betting or putting money on things. I wouldnt play poker or redraft football without money. i cant watch a whole college football game unless i have money on it. But when it comes to dynasty football, my love of the game is more important than a few bucks. People act like 50 or 100 bucks makes a huge difference. I could make 100 times that with the amount of time i spend on this message board alone. The way i see it, those in it only for the money dont like it enough, or at least for the right reasons. Well, maybe not the right reasons, but just the reasons i play. Im sure playing in a money dynasty has its own kind of fun, just not the kind im looking for. I like to know my dynasty leagues is going to be around in 10 years(assuming the world doesnt end in October). I dont want to play the game of get as much money as i can before the league folds(not saying that all money leagues are like this).

I think the people who care enough to find a strong free league and put in all that work without the lure of money are going to be much stiffer competition. The DynastyGuys IDP Charter League, for instance, is free, and it's got guys like Bloom in it and is probably the most competitive league I've been in period...

 

[adrenaline]

16 Team Dynasty IDP PPRGave:1.04Receivedarren McFadden & Louis Murphy

Same leagueGave:Frank Gore, Michael Crabtree & rookie pick 29Received:Adrian Peterson

A couple more in the same leagueGave: Brandon Jacobs Received: Joseph AddaiGave: Kevin Boss & Nate ClementsReceived: Jared Cook

 

[sihaokills]

16 Team Dynasty IDP PPRGave:1.04Receivedarren McFadden & Louis Murphy

Same leagueGave:Frank Gore, Michael Crabtree & rookie pick 29Received:Adrian Peterson

A couple more in the same leagueGave: Brandon Jacobs Received: Joseph AddaiGave: Kevin Boss & Nate ClementsReceived: Jared Cook

Some great trades for you here

 

[MTskibum]

L Blount

2112 3rd round rookie pick

for

D Jackson

2nd round rookie pick

Leaves me thin at runningback, but it should provide solid longterm value.

 

[JEWMAH9701]

12-Team PPR

Start QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, RB/WR + IDP

Team A Gave:

2011 Draft Pick 1.03

2012 1st Round Pick

Team B Gave:

2011 Draft Pick 1.01

 

[Kree]

L Blount2112 3rd round rookie pickforD Jackson2nd round rookie pickLeaves me thin at runningback, but it should provide solid longterm value.

Stole DJax

 

[Kree]

12-Team PPR

Start QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, RB/WR + IDP

Team A Gave:

2011 Draft Pick 1.03

2012 1st Round Pick

Team B Gave:

2011 Draft Pick 1.01

Assuming Team A is desperate for a RB?

 

[JEWMAH9701]

12-Team PPR

Start QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, RB/WR + IDP

Team A Gave:

2011 Draft Pick 1.03

2012 1st Round Pick

Team B Gave:

2011 Draft Pick 1.01

Assuming Team A is desperate for a RB?

Team A has won the league the last two years. Very solid team all around. Just traded for a team's 1st round pick at the deadline last season that happened to turn into the 1.3 pick.I believe Team A just fell in love with either Green or Ingram and had to move up for them. If that's the case, giving up a late first (presumably) in 2012 isn't a bad price to pay at all to move up to the first pick.

 

[FUBAR]

L Blount2112 3rd round rookie pickforD Jackson2nd round rookie pickLeaves me thin at runningback, but it should provide solid longterm value.

Stole DJax

although it could pay off for the other team in 101 years.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

There are free dynasty leagues? What's the point?That's like playing poker with play money. I don't get it.

Some people do stuff just for the fun of it.

That's why I play FF. But I play the money leagues because that makes my time put into it worthwhile.I couldn't imagine putting the time I do into a free league. As with play money poker tables, I would imagine the level of competition and investment is much, much lower. I don't buy the above poster's assessment that serious FFers play free leagues. I don't think you'll see Doyle Brunson at the play money tables.

That was kind of my theory when i first started. After doing both for a few years i realized that the competition and level of owners was probably higher in the free leagues. Not to mention there is a certain level of shady behavior in money leagues that you wont find in free leagues. Money leagues fold at a much higher rate, which is likely due to the previous point. To me there is only one reason to value a guy like Steven Jackson over Ryan Mathews and thats because you are looking for quick money because you know there is a chance the league will fold in the near future. Thats why people say i dont look further down the road than 3 years, because there is a chance the league wont exist after that.. Im all for betting or putting money on things. I wouldnt play poker or redraft football without money. i cant watch a whole college football game unless i have money on it. But when it comes to dynasty football, my love of the game is more important than a few bucks. People act like 50 or 100 bucks makes a huge difference. I could make 100 times that with the amount of time i spend on this message board alone. The way i see it, those in it only for the money dont like it enough, or at least for the right reasons. Well, maybe not the right reasons, but just the reasons i play. Im sure playing in a money dynasty has its own kind of fun, just not the kind im looking for. I like to know my dynasty leagues is going to be around in 10 years(assuming the world doesnt end in October). I dont want to play the game of get as much money as i can before the league folds(not saying that all money leagues are like this).

I think the people who care enough to find a strong free league and put in all that work without the lure of money are going to be much stiffer competition. The DynastyGuys IDP Charter League, for instance, is free, and it's got guys like Bloom in it and is probably the most competitive league I've been in period...

Sorry, I can't see putting effort into a free league. It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[doowain]

There are free dynasty leagues? What's the point?That's like playing poker with play money. I don't get it.

Some people do stuff just for the fun of it.

That's why I play FF. But I play the money leagues because that makes my time put into it worthwhile.I couldn't imagine putting the time I do into a free league. As with play money poker tables, I would imagine the level of competition and investment is much, much lower. I don't buy the above poster's assessment that serious FFers play free leagues. I don't think you'll see Doyle Brunson at the play money tables.

That was kind of my theory when i first started. After doing both for a few years i realized that the competition and level of owners was probably higher in the free leagues. Not to mention there is a certain level of shady behavior in money leagues that you wont find in free leagues. Money leagues fold at a much higher rate, which is likely due to the previous point. To me there is only one reason to value a guy like Steven Jackson over Ryan Mathews and thats because you are looking for quick money because you know there is a chance the league will fold in the near future. Thats why people say i dont look further down the road than 3 years, because there is a chance the league wont exist after that.. Im all for betting or putting money on things. I wouldnt play poker or redraft football without money. i cant watch a whole college football game unless i have money on it. But when it comes to dynasty football, my love of the game is more important than a few bucks. People act like 50 or 100 bucks makes a huge difference. I could make 100 times that with the amount of time i spend on this message board alone. The way i see it, those in it only for the money dont like it enough, or at least for the right reasons. Well, maybe not the right reasons, but just the reasons i play. Im sure playing in a money dynasty has its own kind of fun, just not the kind im looking for. I like to know my dynasty leagues is going to be around in 10 years(assuming the world doesnt end in October). I dont want to play the game of get as much money as i can before the league folds(not saying that all money leagues are like this).

I think the people who care enough to find a strong free league and put in all that work without the lure of money are going to be much stiffer competition. The DynastyGuys IDP Charter League, for instance, is free, and it's got guys like Bloom in it and is probably the most competitive league I've been in period...

Sorry, I can't see putting effort into a free league. It doesn't make sense to me.

Right. Unless it's with a close group of buddies. Because if you aren't playing for dough, you should at least be playing for bragging rights. Or the Shiva.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

There are free dynasty leagues? What's the point?That's like playing poker with play money. I don't get it.

Some people do stuff just for the fun of it.

That's why I play FF. But I play the money leagues because that makes my time put into it worthwhile.I couldn't imagine putting the time I do into a free league. As with play money poker tables, I would imagine the level of competition and investment is much, much lower. I don't buy the above poster's assessment that serious FFers play free leagues. I don't think you'll see Doyle Brunson at the play money tables.

That was kind of my theory when i first started. After doing both for a few years i realized that the competition and level of owners was probably higher in the free leagues. Not to mention there is a certain level of shady behavior in money leagues that you wont find in free leagues. Money leagues fold at a much higher rate, which is likely due to the previous point. To me there is only one reason to value a guy like Steven Jackson over Ryan Mathews and thats because you are looking for quick money because you know there is a chance the league will fold in the near future. Thats why people say i dont look further down the road than 3 years, because there is a chance the league wont exist after that.. Im all for betting or putting money on things. I wouldnt play poker or redraft football without money. i cant watch a whole college football game unless i have money on it. But when it comes to dynasty football, my love of the game is more important than a few bucks. People act like 50 or 100 bucks makes a huge difference. I could make 100 times that with the amount of time i spend on this message board alone. The way i see it, those in it only for the money dont like it enough, or at least for the right reasons. Well, maybe not the right reasons, but just the reasons i play. Im sure playing in a money dynasty has its own kind of fun, just not the kind im looking for. I like to know my dynasty leagues is going to be around in 10 years(assuming the world doesnt end in October). I dont want to play the game of get as much money as i can before the league folds(not saying that all money leagues are like this).

I think the people who care enough to find a strong free league and put in all that work without the lure of money are going to be much stiffer competition. The DynastyGuys IDP Charter League, for instance, is free, and it's got guys like Bloom in it and is probably the most competitive league I've been in period...

I would say that is more the exception than the rule. I personally refuse to play free leagues anymore. If I remember correctly Instinctive you were also in that free dynasty startup league last offseason with me on fleaflicker. The one that lasted all of half a season before it folded. There just isn't enough incentive for owners if there is no money involved.

 

[coolnerd]

There are free dynasty leagues? What's the point?That's like playing poker with play money. I don't get it.

Some people do stuff just for the fun of it.

That's why I play FF. But I play the money leagues because that makes my time put into it worthwhile.I couldn't imagine putting the time I do into a free league. As with play money poker tables, I would imagine the level of competition and investment is much, much lower. I don't buy the above poster's assessment that serious FFers play free leagues. I don't think you'll see Doyle Brunson at the play money tables.

That was kind of my theory when i first started. After doing both for a few years i realized that the competition and level of owners was probably higher in the free leagues. Not to mention there is a certain level of shady behavior in money leagues that you wont find in free leagues. Money leagues fold at a much higher rate, which is likely due to the previous point. To me there is only one reason to value a guy like Steven Jackson over Ryan Mathews and thats because you are looking for quick money because you know there is a chance the league will fold in the near future. Thats why people say i dont look further down the road than 3 years, because there is a chance the league wont exist after that.. Im all for betting or putting money on things. I wouldnt play poker or redraft football without money. i cant watch a whole college football game unless i have money on it. But when it comes to dynasty football, my love of the game is more important than a few bucks. People act like 50 or 100 bucks makes a huge difference. I could make 100 times that with the amount of time i spend on this message board alone. The way i see it, those in it only for the money dont like it enough, or at least for the right reasons. Well, maybe not the right reasons, but just the reasons i play. Im sure playing in a money dynasty has its own kind of fun, just not the kind im looking for. I like to know my dynasty leagues is going to be around in 10 years(assuming the world doesnt end in October). I dont want to play the game of get as much money as i can before the league folds(not saying that all money leagues are like this).

I think the people who care enough to find a strong free league and put in all that work without the lure of money are going to be much stiffer competition. The DynastyGuys IDP Charter League, for instance, is free, and it's got guys like Bloom in it and is probably the most competitive league I've been in period...

I play in dynasty league that are from nothing to $150. I personally don't place any more effort in the larger dollar leagues than the lower one because I have a fantasy football budget and it is just spread around through my leagues. I personally have seen all the same things in $150 as in the free/cheap ones: dudes quitting in the middle of season, a portion of the league that seems to always turnover, guys who try to find every loophole in the rules, etc. Leagues are about how good of guys/players that are a part of it. For many people dropping $150 for a league no different than a decent night of partying, it is not going to make them play any differently at least in my experience.

 

[No Way Jose]

Gave Crabtree

Got Sidney Rice

 

[doowain]

Gave CrabtreeGot Sidney Rice

Nice. Prefer Rice pretty easily.

 

[Prussian]

16 Team Dynasty IDP PPRGave:1.04Receivedarren McFadden & Louis Murphy

Same leagueGave:Frank Gore, Michael Crabtree & rookie pick 29Received:Adrian Peterson

A couple more in the same leagueGave: Brandon Jacobs Received: Joseph AddaiGave: Kevin Boss & Nate ClementsReceived: Jared Cook

Some great trades for you here

Seriously. Are you the only shark in a pond of guppies? The first and third are almost foolish trades by your counter-part. The ADP trade seems closer, but I'd still hit accept pretty quick.

 

[Prussian]

Had to check the dynasty rankings of Bloom, Waldman, Pasquino, etc to make sure I wasn't losing my mind here.Their consensus rankings are:Steven Jackson (13), Ryan Matthews (18)Andre Johnson (1), Hakeem Nicks (6) Johnson is the unanamous #1, and one FBG has Matthews ahead of SJax (14 vs 15). Not saying that makes my opinion right, just making sure I wasn't the only one who'd prefer to have the Andre Johnson side.

Pasquino loves the old guys. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but i bet his rankings are skewing the average.The AJ/Nicks part is close. I own AJ in 3 of my 4 dynasty leagues, and have for some time. I reluctantly decided to field some offers for him this offseason, and went right to the Nicks owners in each league. I was denied in each one for striaght up trades. I decided to keep Andre at that point, but i would still prefer Nicks. I should point out i have good WR depth, so i could afford the extra risk Nicks has over Andre. I guess if i were a contender and didnt have much depth at WR i might hang onto AJ.As far as the Jackson/Mathews part, thats not really even close. You cant give away Jackson in dynastry leagues right now. Sure, he might have a good year or even two left in him, but his days of #1 RB numbers are over. I would much rather take my chances on a guy who could be a RB1 for the next 5+ years. Plus look at the Chargers RB numbers from last season compared to the Rams. Alot more to go around in Sandiego.

For myself, I tend to rate guys based on a three year return. 40% value Year 1, 30% value years 2 and 3. So unless I am in a "win now" window, value is relative to a team growth cycle. AJ and Nick are clearly weighted well over the next three with AJ starting to tail off in 2 and\or three. SJax is high now, but by year three I'm not so sure he is "elite". Mathews is still a crap-shoot. Great situation ... yet to prove a thing.

 

[adrenaline]

16 Team Dynasty IDP PPRGave:1.04Receivedarren McFadden & Louis Murphy

Same leagueGave:Frank Gore, Michael Crabtree & rookie pick 29Received:Adrian Peterson

A couple more in the same leagueGave: Brandon Jacobs Received: Joseph AddaiGave: Kevin Boss & Nate ClementsReceived: Jared Cook

Some great trades for you here

Seriously. Are you the only shark in a pond of guppies? The first and third are almost foolish trades by your counter-part. The ADP trade seems closer, but I'd still hit accept pretty quick.

International league, maybe they thought they were signing up for some soccer, I dunno.

 

[Go deep]

There are free dynasty leagues? What's the point?That's like playing poker with play money. I don't get it.

Some people do stuff just for the fun of it.

That's why I play FF. But I play the money leagues because that makes my time put into it worthwhile.I couldn't imagine putting the time I do into a free league. As with play money poker tables, I would imagine the level of competition and investment is much, much lower. I don't buy the above poster's assessment that serious FFers play free leagues. I don't think you'll see Doyle Brunson at the play money tables.

That was kind of my theory when i first started. After doing both for a few years i realized that the competition and level of owners was probably higher in the free leagues. Not to mention there is a certain level of shady behavior in money leagues that you wont find in free leagues. Money leagues fold at a much higher rate, which is likely due to the previous point. To me there is only one reason to value a guy like Steven Jackson over Ryan Mathews and thats because you are looking for quick money because you know there is a chance the league will fold in the near future. Thats why people say i dont look further down the road than 3 years, because there is a chance the league wont exist after that.. Im all for betting or putting money on things. I wouldnt play poker or redraft football without money. i cant watch a whole college football game unless i have money on it. But when it comes to dynasty football, my love of the game is more important than a few bucks. People act like 50 or 100 bucks makes a huge difference. I could make 100 times that with the amount of time i spend on this message board alone. The way i see it, those in it only for the money dont like it enough, or at least for the right reasons. Well, maybe not the right reasons, but just the reasons i play. Im sure playing in a money dynasty has its own kind of fun, just not the kind im looking for. I like to know my dynasty leagues is going to be around in 10 years(assuming the world doesnt end in October). I dont want to play the game of get as much money as i can before the league folds(not saying that all money leagues are like this).

I think the people who care enough to find a strong free league and put in all that work without the lure of money are going to be much stiffer competition. The DynastyGuys IDP Charter League, for instance, is free, and it's got guys like Bloom in it and is probably the most competitive league I've been in period...

I would say that is more the exception than the rule. I personally refuse to play free leagues anymore. If I remember correctly Instinctive you were also in that free dynasty startup league last offseason with me on fleaflicker. The one that lasted all of half a season before it folded. There just isn't enough incentive for owners if there is no money involved.

I wouldnt play in redraft leagues for free, but thats because other than the couple of hours a guy spends drafting his team, he doesnt have much time invested. To me, time is just as valuable as money, and maybe more so. I might agree with you guys about free leagues if i didnt play in Zealots. I was in a couple of free leagues before Zealots and they folded pretty quick(alhough im not sure money would have made a difference). I think it all boils down to the type of owners. I wouldnt mind playing in money leagues if i knew all the other owners were commited to this league for the long hall. Im sure some people can say that, but i bet for most of you guys in money leagues have to base your dynasty strategies on the chance the league might fold at any time.Have any of you guys who wouldnt play in free leagues again ever been in a Zealots league? Just curious, because i might be down on free leagues too if i didnt play in them specifically. Another thing i can see happening in money leagues is it would fold if one or two guys built dominant young teams. Its quite possible, even in a league full of knowledgeable owners. Why would an owner invest 3 or more years of time and money to rebuild a team in a money league considering the league might not be around in 3 years. I would be scared of this with owners who only play for the money. edit, sorry for the hijack, its my last post about this....in this thread anyway.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Cleveland gave up:Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Cleveland Boise gave up:Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.12Year 2011 Draft Pick 2.06Assume that this is pick #1 (50%), #2 (25%), #3 (20%) next year. (95% chance top 3)Cleveland had the worst team last year and will most likley have it again this year.Anyone else make this deal ? (Cleveland's side that is)

I would take a chance on the 2012 if it looks like it will be high pick.

 

[SproutDaddy]

I play in a very different PPR/IDP league where we start 3-4 RBs. Really only had CJ3 and a bunch of lower tier backs. Just made a couple of trades this past week.

Gave 1.04(he took R. Williams), T. Choice, E. Berry

Got 1.02(Ingram), Malcom Jenkins, 2012 2nd (guy had 5th pick this year)

Then gave Brent Grimes

Got Ronnie Brown

I'm a Saints fan, so I wanted Ingram. Made a couple trades before that to move to 1.04 mainly involving picks. My pick was 11 since I lost in the title game this past year. Would have taken Leshoure @ 1.04.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I play in a very different PPR/IDP league where we start 3-4 RBs. Really only had CJ3 and a bunch of lower tier backs. Just made a couple of trades this past week.Gave 1.04(he took R. Williams), T. Choice, E. BerryGot 1.02(Ingram), Malcom Jenkins, 2012 2nd (guy had 5th pick this year)Then gave Brent GrimesGot Ronnie BrownI'm a Saints fan, so I wanted Ingram. Made a couple trades before that to move to 1.04 mainly involving picks. My pick was 11 since I lost in the title game this past year. Would have taken Leshoure @ 1.04.

If you lost in the title game with a team that basically only had CJ3, in a league that requires you start at least 3 RB's, I'd say that moving up for Ingram was the perfect move for you. He could be the piece that puts you over the top, since I assume the rest of your roster is very good.

 

[pghrob]

I would be grateful for anybody's opinion on the trade value of DeAngelo Williams right now in a 12 team league with 1 ppr and all td's 6 pts. Start 1qb, 2rb, 2wr, 1te, 1k, 1d/st. Basically, what would be fair value in terms of wrs or rbs. I would like to try and trade him for a younger player. Sort of tough now with his status as fa and the lockout. Looks like he may remain in carolina...if so, he has to contend with Stewart. Anyway, just curious / interested in people's opinion on his trade value now. Thanks.

Eta that his avg overall dynasty ranking from 4 experts at fbgs is #20 from Terfertiller, Waldman, Pasquino, and bloom (all within last 15 days)...and Waldman is an outlier ranker of DeAngelo compared to the other 3 and has him #47. They may be using different scoring rules and lineup requirements.

 

[RaiderBones]

There are free dynasty leagues? What's the point?That's like playing poker with play money. I don't get it.

Some people do stuff just for the fun of it.

That's why I play FF. But I play the money leagues because that makes my time put into it worthwhile.I couldn't imagine putting the time I do into a free league. As with play money poker tables, I would imagine the level of competition and investment is much, much lower. I don't buy the above poster's assessment that serious FFers play free leagues. I don't think you'll see Doyle Brunson at the play money tables.

That was kind of my theory when i first started. After doing both for a few years i realized that the competition and level of owners was probably higher in the free leagues. Not to mention there is a certain level of shady behavior in money leagues that you wont find in free leagues. Money leagues fold at a much higher rate, which is likely due to the previous point. To me there is only one reason to value a guy like Steven Jackson over Ryan Mathews and thats because you are looking for quick money because you know there is a chance the league will fold in the near future. Thats why people say i dont look further down the road than 3 years, because there is a chance the league wont exist after that.. Im all for betting or putting money on things. I wouldnt play poker or redraft football without money. i cant watch a whole college football game unless i have money on it. But when it comes to dynasty football, my love of the game is more important than a few bucks. People act like 50 or 100 bucks makes a huge difference. I could make 100 times that with the amount of time i spend on this message board alone. The way i see it, those in it only for the money dont like it enough, or at least for the right reasons. Well, maybe not the right reasons, but just the reasons i play. Im sure playing in a money dynasty has its own kind of fun, just not the kind im looking for. I like to know my dynasty leagues is going to be around in 10 years(assuming the world doesnt end in October). I dont want to play the game of get as much money as i can before the league folds(not saying that all money leagues are like this).

I think the people who care enough to find a strong free league and put in all that work without the lure of money are going to be much stiffer competition. The DynastyGuys IDP Charter League, for instance, is free, and it's got guys like Bloom in it and is probably the most competitive league I've been in period...

Sorry, I can't see putting effort into a free league. It doesn't make sense to me.

I play in only free dynasty leagues. I put a lot of time and effort into them. I play for the love of the game not for the money. I have been in money leagues and all people do is bicker about everything because the money gets in the way. I prefer a free league where everyone plays because they have a passion for fantasy football not for the money which seems to drive people crazy.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Traded 1.9 Ryan Matthews, Mark Sanchez, Donnie Avery, Danario Alexander, for 1.1 and Darren McFadden

team had McNabb and Palmer, then he traded 1.9 and 1.10 for Bradford

 

[DexterDew]

now his team doesn't have the 1.01 and Mcfadden, but does have Palmer, McNabb, Sanchez and Bradford (?!?)

Nice pull for you.

 

[Gottabesweet]

now his team doesn't have the 1.01 and Mcfadden, but does have Palmer, McNabb, Sanchez and Bradford (?!?)Nice pull for you.

I guess he plans on trading Palmer or Mcnabb for what he can gethe pulled in Hillis for a 2nd this year and next though, He said he values Matthews even with McFadden.

 

[Dez]

Traded 1.9 Ryan Matthews, Mark Sanchez, Donnie Avery, Danario Alexander, for 1.1 and Darren McFadden team had McNabb and Palmer, then he traded 1.9 and 1.10 for Bradford

I don't see how anyone makes this deal but I guess that is why we play.

 

[Instinctive]

Traded 1.9 Ryan Matthews, Mark Sanchez, Donnie Avery, Danario Alexander, for 1.1 and Darren McFadden team had McNabb and Palmer, then he traded 1.9 and 1.10 for Bradford

I don't see how anyone makes this deal but I guess that is why we play.

I wish I could give two late firsts for Bradford...

 

[TheWick]

12 Team PPR ( super flexy 1-3RB, 2-5WR)

Gave - Gore, Daniel Tomas, Garcon

Got - Chris Johnson

 

[King of the Jungle]

Traded 1.9 Ryan Matthews, Mark Sanchez, Donnie Avery, Danario Alexander, for 1.1 and Darren McFadden team had McNabb and Palmer, then he traded 1.9 and 1.10 for Bradford

Wow...you got the two most valuable items in that trade. Rare feat.

 

[gianmarco]

Traded 1.9 Ryan Matthews, Mark Sanchez, Donnie Avery, Danario Alexander, for 1.1 and Darren McFadden

team had McNabb and Palmer, then he traded 1.9 and 1.10 for Bradford

Wow...you got the two most valuable items in that trade. Rare feat.

Not in this thread.

 

[Dez]

Team gives

Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick (Projected 1-3) was worst team in league last year

Team gets

Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.12

Year 2011 Draft Pick 2.06

 

[Gottabesweet]

Peyton Hillis just went for 2.5 this year and a 2nd in 2012 and Emmaunel Sanders.

 

[gandalas]

I like this deal for me. The other owner must have liked it for him because he accepted it within minutes. Seems pretty even.

1 point PPR / 1 point per 10 yards rushing or receiving / 1 point per 25 yards passing / 6 point TD

Gave:

Tampa Bay Mike Williams, WR

Mike Sims-Walker, WR

3.05

Got:

1.03

2.08

Mario Manningham, WR

Thoughts?

Not a fan at all. The centerpiece of the deal is Williams for 1.03; do you really see Julio Jones as a better option than Williams? Seems like a sideways move at best, incurring a lot of risk.

I just peaked, i actually have Jones with a 49 DS and Williams 48, so i guess they are basically even, but i would prefer Jones. I have a funny feeling that Falcons offense is going to be like the Rams of the 90's once Turner burns out this year. Of course i doubt Rodgers is Faulk, but Lemichael James might be, and should be there at the end of round 1 for the Falcons in next years draft.

You mean Atlanta's pick at the end of the first round that Cleveland owns?

 

[Zdravko]

I play in only free dynasty leagues. I put a lot of time and effort into them. I play for the love of the game not for the money. I have been in money leagues and all people do is bicker about everything because the money gets in the way. I prefer a free league where everyone plays because they have a passion for fantasy football not for the money which seems to drive people crazy.

I am in two free leagues, 5-6 money leagues. The two free leagues are hands down more competitive and the owners are 2x more active. Pretty much everyone I personally know has had the same experience with money vs. free. That said, it should be noted that lots of free leagues fold very quickly because the free aspect does attract bunches of clowns every May and August. However, if you can find an established free league with a demonstrated track record, jump on it. I guarantee you will have more pure FF fun than in an average money league.

 

[greggorymac]

12 team, Non-PPR, 6pts all TDsTeam A trades Team B:ManningMaclinforRomoJennings

Sorry for not being clear.P ManningJ Maclinfor T RomoG Jennings

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

This got lost earlier but 'm curious about the value hereGave upBrady2012 2nd2012 3rdGotMcCoy3.112012 1st2012 2nd (both 2012's likely high)

Those 2012 picks had better be real high, or else you got killed on this trade.

I thought this was a very nice trade, and then I realized the McCoy in question wasn't Lesean. Brady for a bottom-10 QB and an unknown first...yikes.

Yikes indeed. Should have been able to get more out of Brady than that.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

Had to check the dynasty rankings of Bloom, Waldman, Pasquino, etc to make sure I wasn't losing my mind here.

Their consensus rankings are:

Steven Jackson (13), Ryan Matthews (18)

Andre Johnson (1), Hakeem Nicks (6)

Johnson is the unanamous #1, and one FBG has Matthews ahead of SJax (14 vs 15).

Not saying that makes my opinion right, just making sure I wasn't the only one who'd prefer to have the Andre Johnson side.

Pasquino loves the old guys. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but i bet his rankings are skewing the average.

The AJ/Nicks part is close. I own AJ in 3 of my 4 dynasty leagues, and have for some time. I reluctantly decided to field some offers for him this offseason, and went right to the Nicks owners in each league. I was denied in each one for striaght up trades. I decided to keep Andre at that point, but i would still prefer Nicks. I should point out i have good WR depth, so i could afford the extra risk Nicks has over Andre. I guess if i were a contender and didnt have much depth at WR i might hang onto AJ.

As far as the Jackson/Mathews part, thats not really even close. You cant give away Jackson in dynastry leagues right now. Sure, he might have a good year or even two left in him, but his days of #1 RB numbers are over. I would much rather take my chances on a guy who could be a RB1 for the next 5+ years. Plus look at the Chargers RB numbers from last season compared to the Rams. Alot more to go around in Sandiego.

I'd take him if anyone is giving him away. Maybe in free leagues - but where money is at stake each year he still holds value. Sure in two years you may get stuck holding the bag, but he's still quite productive and plays in an up and coming offense. And, no, I do not own him in any of my three leagues, I just find the whole "you can't have any 'old' guys on your roster or you don't know what you're doing" rhetoric a little tired sometimes.

Im not suggesting that, there are times to acquire, or have an older player(s) on your team, i just dont think is is optimal.

Why do you suppose you couldnt give him away in free leagues, but he has more value in money leagues? Not that i dont think its true, just wondering why you think that is?

In a free league people may be more concerned with having a "pretty" roster than winning. In a money league there's more incentive to actually win. I don't mean this as a slam against free leagues - because personally I know I would be every bit as competitive with no money on the line - but I do think it could have an overall influence on strategies for soem teams. It's easier to take a chance or re-build when you're not forking over $300 to do so.I also know you weren't exactly saying what I put in quotes but I see that viewpoint displayed frequently at this site. In fact some one even threw out a "you must not play in dynasty leagues" to some one who dared favor the "Jackson/AJ" side of the deal. Matthews is a guy I liked entering the league, but he hasn't eaxctly proven much. If I really wanted Andre Johnson I may be willing to sacrifice the age gap to make that deal. As constructed I wouldn't do it since I value Nicks close to AJ anyway - but I don't think it was outlandish.

Im not arguing with with, or even saying you are wrong, but wouldnt Steve Jackson have a "prettier" name? If im building a roster of "prettty" names i would have guys like Tomlinson, Wayne, Jackson, Tony Gonzalez, etc. What i think the difference in money league and free leagues is if teams dont win right away they drop out. It becomes too much about the money and not enough about the league. This has been my experience and the reason i only do free dynasty leagues. I understand that is not always the case, and i am sure there are plenty of good money dynasty leagues. But if you are truly playing because you are diehard football/fanatsy football/dynasty guy, $100 is going to matter much. I dont even want to know how money i could havemade/ make in the time i spend on my free dynasty leagues.

Again, different strokes for different folks, im not saying one is better than the other. Just why i think guys like Jackson would be worth more in a pay dynasty league. I also think in terms of the real NFL, Mathews would be worth more than Jackson for the same reeason.

To me "pretty names" are young guys whose dynasty value exceeds their actual production.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

12 Team PPR

Team A Gave:

Mike Wallace

Team B Gave:

Brandon Marshall

Santonio Holmes

I have mixed emotions. Could make an argument either way.

That is a lot for Wallace. I am a fan, but I would not pay that much.

Team A in a landslide.

Technically it's lot to give up but:- Marshall is a headache and older than Wallace

- Holmes isn't going to win anyone a title

I'll take Team B if it's a fairly loaded team.

 

[mcintyre1]

12 Team PPR

Team A Gave:

Mike Wallace

Team B Gave:

Brandon Marshall

Santonio Holmes

I have mixed emotions. Could make an argument either way.

That is a lot for Wallace. I am a fan, but I would not pay that much.

Team A in a landslide.

Technically it's lot to give up but:- Marshall is a headache and older than Wallace

- Holmes isn't going to win anyone a title

I'll take Team B if it's a fairly loaded team.

Marshall may be older, but its only 24 vs 27. In dynasty WR age, that's pretty much the same tier of value at this point. Also, this is a PPR league, where Marshall's ability as a possession receiver helps him shine. Last year was an oddity in terms of stats for Marshall, as the TDs just didn't come due to poor QB play. He's unlikely to be a 100 catch PPR monster like he once was, but he's still a quality WR1, and an excellent WR2. I disagree on Holmes as well. Holmes was Mike Wallace before Mike Wallace. He has the upside to put up 90/1300/12 if he gets focused in that offense. Is it likely to happen? No, I'd say less than 5%, but he'll still give you great WR2 numbers with a huge ceiling. I think Team A made out like a bandit for Wallace.