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2011 Sleepers (1 Viewer)

My list is still a work in progress (right up until the draft lol) and the only name that jumps out that wasn't already mentioned is Danny Amendola. He needs a real target on the outside to open things up in the middle, but should be solid in a McDaniels offense. Especially with Bradford throwing so much short stuff.
Why Amendola over the other STL WRs. They are all sleepers one way or another. I'm liking Clayton personally.
Josh McDaniels is OC now....and maybe he does/plans for him as he did for Welker when OC in NE. He also had 85 receptions last year.
 
First off, it's an opinion.2nd, Cruz did his damage against 1st string DBs minus Revis. I know because I watched hard knocks.3rd - Manningham stays in Coughlin and Eli's doghouse for taking plays off and missing route assignments. He is very explosive but is best suited for the WR3 role he held prior to Smiths injury.

Victor Cruz-I think he beats our Manningham in camp and starts week 1. Beast.
Based on one preseason game against second/third string DBs?Manningham had 950 yards and 9 TDs last season.
How is Manningham best suited for the 3rd role? He put up great #s last year in the 2. Only way Smith might be a better option is ppr. Cruz isn't even close to Manningham's ability.
 
Brandon Lloyd. He was WR1 last season. If you can take him off the board in the 12-18 range, he could win your league for you if he repeats. He had 4, count'em 4, drops last season on over 150 targets. That's talent, not chance.

 
Brandon Lloyd. He was WR1 last season. If you can take him off the board in the 12-18 range, he could win your league for you if he repeats. He had 4, count'em 4, drops last season on over 150 targets. That's talent, not chance.
New, more run-oriented HC/offense and potentially a new QB is what might discourage me. Plus the addition of a healthy Eric Decker. No way he comes close to last year IMO.
 
Roy Williams

Based on my prediction is that Dallas cuts him and the Bears pick him up. Dallas will cut him for the cap space. Martz actually liked Roy in Detroit thought he was very coach-able. He could be a #1 WR again in Chicago.

 
For the dynasty people out there, I say take a 3rd round flyer on Edmond Gates and hold on to him. His size and combine measurables are virtually identical to Mike Wallace's, with scouting reports giving the two very similar pros and cons. He doesn't have as much experience coming out of college as Wallace, so he may take a little longer to develop, but he is also said to be a quick learner and dedicated to improvement. I think Chad Henne's play will be a bigger hurdle than anything else with this kid.

For the redraft players out there, im going with Donnie Avery. All indications are that he's not only fully recovered but has retained his speed, running 40s as fast as 4.2s on the track. Avery was putting up decent stats for a rookie/softmore, considering it was in STL with Bulger rather than Bradford. He now has Bradford, a big plus, not to mention it's also a contract year for Avery as well. Definitely a guy worth a late late round flyer soon after Clayton comes off the board.

 
'captbly said:
Roy Williams

Based on my prediction is that Dallas cuts him and the Bears pick him up. Dallas will cut him for the cap space. Martz actually liked Roy in Detroit thought he was very coach-able. He could be a #1 WR again in Chicago.
you realize his cap hit will be more if he's released than if he's on the team? To the tune of 12.9 mil in dead money?
 
'Dragon1952 said:
'Sabertooth said:
Brandon Lloyd. He was WR1 last season. If you can take him off the board in the 12-18 range, he could win your league for you if he repeats. He had 4, count'em 4, drops last season on over 150 targets. That's talent, not chance.
New, more run-oriented HC/offense and potentially a new QB is what might discourage me. Plus the addition of a healthy Eric Decker. No way he comes close to last year IMO.
he doesn't have to come close to last year to be good value. He was #2 WR last year in PPR leagues and is being drafted 10-20 spots lower than that
 
'captbly said:
Roy Williams

Based on my prediction is that Dallas cuts him and the Bears pick him up. Dallas will cut him for the cap space. Martz actually liked Roy in Detroit thought he was very coach-able. He could be a #1 WR again in Chicago.
you realize his cap hit will be more if he's released than if he's on the team? To the tune of 12.9 mil in dead money?
hmm no i didnt thanks. A lot of sites just say he would save cap space. But looking at it closer it does look like it would cost 3 million more to cut him than to keep him.

 
I'm going to vote QB Tim TebowWhy?he was top 5 QB in scoring weeks 15-16 last 2 games 2010 - top 3 if your league rewards well for QB rushingthe DEN WR's are/will be Llyod, Decker,Gaffney, Thomas, Royal, and Moreno Orton sold his house in Denver, he knows he'll be tradedTebow will be a top 7-10 QB in 2011 Fantasy speaking ........ and you can get him right now at a very very reasonable asking price I think. The upside is there,
While I like your optimism, I'm bearish on John Fox and his ultra-conservative gameplans..it's doubtful that Tebow will thrive as a top 7-10 fantasy QB , as you put it..I suspect he'll be nothing more than Jake Delhomme v2.0 during his 'best' seasons in Carolina playing for Fox..maybe ,in a few years, Tebow be a slightly better version..Tebow completed just 50% of his passes last season ( granted it was just a couple of games), that number will need to improve dramatically in order for him to score enough pts to move into the top 7-10 fantasy QB's. Just to give you an idea of how inaccurate Tebow was:Derek Anderson was better, completing 51.7% of his passes in 2010...eesh..in fact, the top 10 QB's in 2010 completed 62.6 percent of their passes or better..in 2009, that number was 64.5%2008 63.6%Tebow has a long way to go
 
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I'm going to vote QB Tim TebowWhy?he was top 5 QB in scoring weeks 15-16 last 2 games 2010 - top 3 if your league rewards well for QB rushingthe DEN WR's are/will be Llyod, Decker,Gaffney, Thomas, Royal, and Moreno Orton sold his house in Denver, he knows he'll be tradedTebow will be a top 7-10 QB in 2011 Fantasy speaking ........ and you can get him right now at a very very reasonable asking price I think. The upside is there,
While I like your optimism, I'm bearish on John Fox and his ultra-conservative gameplans..it's doubtful that Tebow will thrive as a top 7-10 fantasy QB , as you put it..I suspect he'll be nothing more than Jake Delhomme v2.0 during his 'best' seasons in Carolina playing for Fox..maybe ,in a few years, Tebow be a slightly better version..Tebow completed just 50% of his passes last season ( granted it was just a couple of games), that number will need to improve dramatically in order for him to score enough pts to move into the top 7-10 fantasy QB's. Just to give you an idea of how inaccurate Tebow was:Derek Anderson was better, completing 51.7% of his passes in 2010...eesh..in fact, the top 10 QB's in 2010 completed 62.6 percent of their passes or better..in 2009, that number was 64.5%2008 63.6%Tebow has a long way to go
I like Tebow too. People talk about John Fox like he punts on 3rd down or something. I seem to recall Muhsin Muhammed being the top fantasy receiver only a year after Steve Smith claimed that honor. How'd that happen?
 
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Roy WilliamsBased on my prediction is that Dallas cuts him and the Bears pick him up. Dallas will cut him for the cap space. Martz actually liked Roy in Detroit thought he was very coach-able. He could be a #1 WR again in Chicago.
I wonder if he'd be willing to re-negotiate his contract in order to play on a team where he'd be relevant again.. If so, Chicago would be a great spot.. But he'll likely be traded if he was to leave Dallas at all since he's going to cost more for them to cut than to keep.
 
'captbly said:
Roy Williams

Based on my prediction is that Dallas cuts him and the Bears pick him up. Dallas will cut him for the cap space. Martz actually liked Roy in Detroit thought he was very coach-able. He could be a #1 WR again in Chicago.
you realize his cap hit will be more if he's released than if he's on the team? To the tune of 12.9 mil in dead money?
hmm no i didnt thanks. A lot of sites just say he would save cap space. But looking at it closer it does look like it would cost 3 million more to cut him than to keep him.
This is where the situation in Dallas is so interesting. A typical GM would look at it and state, "I have 120 million to work with and I need all of it, so lets keep him just in case and use the 3 million on someone else". A typical owner may look at it and say to the GM, "Whoa, slow down buddy. You don't plan on using this guy much and while we may have 3 million to work with by keeping him, he is costing me 10 million in REAL dollars, versus cutting his and not being able to use 13 million in imaginary dollars. Think of what we could do with 10 million dollars saved for 2011...I could get you that extra scout and assistant coach you have been bugging me about, update the weight room and other facilities and even pocket a good deal of that cash".It becomes interesting, because Jones wears both hats, so he will look at it from both ways.

 
'captbly said:
Roy Williams

Based on my prediction is that Dallas cuts him and the Bears pick him up. Dallas will cut him for the cap space. Martz actually liked Roy in Detroit thought he was very coach-able. He could be a #1 WR again in Chicago.
you realize his cap hit will be more if he's released than if he's on the team? To the tune of 12.9 mil in dead money?
hmm no i didnt thanks. A lot of sites just say he would save cap space. But looking at it closer it does look like it would cost 3 million more to cut him than to keep him.
This is where the situation in Dallas is so interesting. A typical GM would look at it and state, "I have 120 million to work with and I need all of it, so lets keep him just in case and use the 3 million on someone else". A typical owner may look at it and say to the GM, "Whoa, slow down buddy. You don't plan on using this guy much and while we may have 3 million to work with by keeping him, he is costing me 10 million in REAL dollars, versus cutting his and not being able to use 13 million in imaginary dollars. Think of what we could do with 10 million dollars saved for 2011...I could get you that extra scout and assistant coach you have been bugging me about, update the weight room and other facilities and even pocket a good deal of that cash".It becomes interesting, because Jones wears both hats, so he will look at it from both ways.
Now I'm confused. I thought we were talking about real dollars either way. If they cut him, is it only a cap hit? Or do they actually owe him the money either way? And what if he's traded? Does that free up bother real and imaginary dollars?
 
Beanie WellsI'm going to post my research about parallels to another disappointing 3rd year player who has a RB drafted highly by his team. Look for it in the next couple of days (hopefully, work is busy)
Really wish you would have come back for this. I'm bullish on Beanie as well. Would have been nice to read your thoughts Instinctive.
 
'captbly said:
Roy Williams

Based on my prediction is that Dallas cuts him and the Bears pick him up. Dallas will cut him for the cap space. Martz actually liked Roy in Detroit thought he was very coach-able. He could be a #1 WR again in Chicago.
you realize his cap hit will be more if he's released than if he's on the team? To the tune of 12.9 mil in dead money?
hmm no i didnt thanks. A lot of sites just say he would save cap space. But looking at it closer it does look like it would cost 3 million more to cut him than to keep him.
This is where the situation in Dallas is so interesting. A typical GM would look at it and state, "I have 120 million to work with and I need all of it, so lets keep him just in case and use the 3 million on someone else". A typical owner may look at it and say to the GM, "Whoa, slow down buddy. You don't plan on using this guy much and while we may have 3 million to work with by keeping him, he is costing me 10 million in REAL dollars, versus cutting his and not being able to use 13 million in imaginary dollars. Think of what we could do with 10 million dollars saved for 2011...I could get you that extra scout and assistant coach you have been bugging me about, update the weight room and other facilities and even pocket a good deal of that cash".It becomes interesting, because Jones wears both hats, so he will look at it from both ways.
Now I'm confused. I thought we were talking about real dollars either way. If they cut him, is it only a cap hit? Or do they actually owe him the money either way? And what if he's traded? Does that free up bother real and imaginary dollars?
5.1 million base salary, not sure where the other posters are getting their infocap hit is same for release or trade

 
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Beanie WellsI'm going to post my research about parallels to another disappointing 3rd year player who has a RB drafted highly by his team. Look for it in the next couple of days (hopefully, work is busy)
Really wish you would have come back for this. I'm bullish on Beanie as well. Would have been nice to read your thoughts Instinctive.
DeAngelo, probably.Sometimes when your employer drafts or hires someone to take your job that little light goes on for you. I wouldn't be surprised either if that happened to Wells.
 
Beanie WellsI'm going to post my research about parallels to another disappointing 3rd year player who has a RB drafted highly by his team. Look for it in the next couple of days (hopefully, work is busy)
Really wish you would have come back for this. I'm bullish on Beanie as well. Would have been nice to read your thoughts Instinctive.
DeAngelo, probably.Sometimes when your employer drafts or hires someone to take your job that little light goes on for you. I wouldn't be surprised either if that happened to Wells.
Yeah the comparison is DeAngelo. Although DWill had much better YPC during his first couple seasons. Then again, DWill was healthy. Beanie' healthy time all compares very favorably to Williams.I appreciate the desire to hear on it - but work and life caught up to me really fast. I'm going on vacation this coming week - I'm sure I'll end up with a couple instances of computer time where I can just relax and put together a solid topic :)
 
'Grahamburn said:
'FantasyTrader said:
Beanie WellsI'm going to post my research about parallels to another disappointing 3rd year player who has a RB drafted highly by his team. Look for it in the next couple of days (hopefully, work is busy)
Really wish you would have come back for this. I'm bullish on Beanie as well. Would have been nice to read your thoughts Instinctive.
DeAngelo, probably.Sometimes when your employer drafts or hires someone to take your job that little light goes on for you. I wouldn't be surprised either if that happened to Wells.
That's the example I was thinking of and I agree with that reasoning. It wouldn't shock me in the least if Beanie broke out this year. If only because that's how it always seems to happen in the NFL. Right about the time everybody's ready to bury a talented former first or second round draft pick, he gets pissed. I know that's flimsy reasoning but Ryan Williams battled some injuries himself. I think many are also brushing off the fact that Beanie wasn't chopped liver as a rookie. His 4.5 ypc and seven TD's were solid, it's just that SO much more was expected of him. Just a hunch people are burying the guy too soon.
 
Jaymar Johnson - MIN; I don't see them keeping Berrian and Rice is probably gone...not much left and he made great strides last year before breaking his hand in the preseason. He will surprise and I don't think very many know about him.

 
QBs:

Tony Romo

Matthew Stafford

RBs :

Jonathan Stewart (if Deangelo doesnt sign)

C J Spiller

Beanie Wells

Felix Jones

Montario Hardesty

WRs:

Donnie Avery

Jason Hill or Mike Thomas (whoever wins the no 1 job)

Michael Crabtree

Arrelious Benn

TEs

Travis Beckum(if they let boss go)

Jermaine Gresham (Great talent for how cheap he is)

 
guess I was wrong about Roy, I'm here to eat my crow. Maybe he ends up in Chicago since he knows Martz...?
First time I have seen a guy come back and eat crow. Good stuff. I also thought Roy would stay in Dallas from the cap hit. The Cowboys made a tough business decision. Looking at this strictly from Dez Bryant's angle, it removes the antagonist in the group. It will also bump up his targets. If you are trying to keep Dez on the straight and narrow, this is a move that makes sense. I have not been drafting Dez so far this year, but this move by the Cowboys is a "bump Dez".
 
guess I was wrong about Roy, I'm here to eat my crow. Maybe he ends up in Chicago since he knows Martz...?
First time I have seen a guy come back and eat crow. Good stuff. I also thought Roy would stay in Dallas from the cap hit. The Cowboys made a tough business decision. Looking at this strictly from Dez Bryant's angle, it removes the antagonist in the group. It will also bump up his targets. If you are trying to keep Dez on the straight and narrow, this is a move that makes sense. I have not been drafting Dez so far this year, but this move by the Cowboys is a "bump Dez".
Meaning that he should be worth his current ADP...still not a reach with Miles Austin and Witten in town.
 
My entire dynasty WR corps is listed in this thread (with the exception of T.O.).

I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. :unsure:

 
guess I was wrong about Roy, I'm here to eat my crow. Maybe he ends up in Chicago since he knows Martz...?
First time I have seen a guy come back and eat crow. Good stuff. I also thought Roy would stay in Dallas from the cap hit. The Cowboys made a tough business decision. Looking at this strictly from Dez Bryant's angle, it removes the antagonist in the group. It will also bump up his targets. If you are trying to keep Dez on the straight and narrow, this is a move that makes sense. I have not been drafting Dez so far this year, but this move by the Cowboys is a "bump Dez".
I think the WR3 in DAL can have some value so I would be looking at Ogletree right now as a possible sleeper....I took a flyer on him in a couple of early mock drafts in the Mock Drafts R Us forum with the thought the DAL would cut ties with Roy.....Ogletree showed some skills prior to getting hurt...
 
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Jaymar Johnson - MIN; I don't see them keeping Berrian and Rice is probably gone...not much left and he made great strides last year before breaking his hand in the preseason. He will surprise and I don't think very many know about him.
I like Aromashodu better. Though I suppose with DonnieMac in town Jaymar could have an Anthony Armstrong-like season.
 
Roy WilliamsBased on my prediction is that Dallas cuts him and the Bears pick him up. Dallas will cut him for the cap space. Martz actually liked Roy in Detroit thought he was very coach-able. He could be a #1 WR again in Chicago.
Well looks like we are about 1/2 way there! If Roy ends up in Chicago I will Roster him.Per @adamschefter: The Cowboys have told WR Roy Williams they will be releasing him.
 
'FunkyPlutos said:
Jaymar Johnson - MIN; I don't see them keeping Berrian and Rice is probably gone...not much left and he made great strides last year before breaking his hand in the preseason. He will surprise and I don't think very many know about him.
Thats deep
 
'wiscstlatlmia said:
QBs:Tony RomoMatthew StaffordRBs :Jonathan Stewart (if Deangelo doesnt sign)C J SpillerBeanie WellsFelix Jones Montario HardestyWRs:Donnie AveryJason Hill or Mike Thomas (whoever wins the no 1 job) Michael CrabtreeArrelious BennTEsTravis Beckum(if they let boss go)Jermaine Gresham (Great talent for how cheap he is)
I don't think Jonathan Stewart, Romo, Spiller, and Jones are drafted low enough to be sleepers
 
Colin Kaepernick. With Smith's track record of ineptitude I can see Kaepernick coming in and replicating a VY rookie season type of performance. SF has talent at the skill positions, specifically a good TE and receiving RB, both safe havens of rookie QBs. He's fast enough to reel off some rushing yards to overcome INTs. You could do worse with your last pick of the draft.
I'm a Nevada season ticket holder. My take on Kaep is, great athlete, great attitude, great leader in college. He has had trouble with passing accuracy and touch, although he improved each year at Nevada. He has a huge arm, and obvisously can run. A lot of people around here speculated that he would be converted to a WR or something. Personally, I think he has a great chance at being a very good NFL QB. BUT, he is a project, and would have been much better off, IMO, going to a team with a veteran QB to take him under his wing. Running the pistol offense against WAC competition and QBing for the 9ers are gonna be completely different.Now, SF has a pretty good O-line and some pretty good weapons. We'll see, i hate the 9ers, but I'm a Kapernick fan so I'll be rooting for him to succeed.
 
Roy WilliamsBased on my prediction is that Dallas cuts him and the Bears pick him up. Dallas will cut him for the cap space. Martz actually liked Roy in Detroit thought he was very coach-able. He could be a #1 WR again in Chicago.
Well looks like we are about 1/2 way there! If Roy ends up in Chicago I will Roster him.Per @adamschefter: The Cowboys have told WR Roy Williams they will be releasing him.
Roy Williams is a decent WR3 in FF no matter where he goes. The guy just isnt WR1 material. And I dont think he's gonna get a lot better all the sudden.
 
Roy WilliamsBased on my prediction is that Dallas cuts him and the Bears pick him up. Dallas will cut him for the cap space. Martz actually liked Roy in Detroit thought he was very coach-able. He could be a #1 WR again in Chicago.
Well looks like we are about 1/2 way there! If Roy ends up in Chicago I will Roster him.Per @adamschefter: The Cowboys have told WR Roy Williams they will be releasing him.
Roy Williams is a decent WR3 in FF no matter where he goes. The guy just isnt WR1 material. And I dont think he's gonna get a lot better all the sudden.
WR3 in fantasy??? I just don't see that
 
Roy WilliamsBased on my prediction is that Dallas cuts him and the Bears pick him up. Dallas will cut him for the cap space. Martz actually liked Roy in Detroit thought he was very coach-able. He could be a #1 WR again in Chicago.
Well looks like we are about 1/2 way there! If Roy ends up in Chicago I will Roster him.Per @adamschefter: The Cowboys have told WR Roy Williams they will be releasing him.
Roy Williams is a decent WR3 in FF no matter where he goes. The guy just isnt WR1 material. And I dont think he's gonna get a lot better all the sudden.
WR3 in fantasy??? I just don't see that
Agree. Calling Roy a #3 is a huge disservice to Britt, Harvin, Manningham, SEA Mike and a number of other options.
 
Roy was a WR#2 last year until Tony Romo got hurt. I believe he was #19 or #20

 
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Hold up Jordy Nelson lovers

Packers making pitch for Jones

GREEN BAY – Aaron Rodgers’ hope of the Green Bay Packers re-signing unrestricted free agent wide receiver James Jones may be more realistic than first thought.

According to an NFL source, the Packers are making an effort to keep Jones, who was expected to be fielding significant offers from other teams as the free-agent period began this week. The source said he believes there is “definitely” a chance Jones re-signs with the Packers.

"I know they're talking," the source said of negotiator Russ Ball and Jones' agent, Frank Bauer.

In an interview with Steve “The Homer” True and Mitch “Thunder” Nelles on ESPNMilwaukee and ESPNMadison Tuesday afternoon, Rodgers implored the Packers to keep Jones.

"James is extremely talented and he's a guy that I think we have to bring back without a doubt," Rodgers said. "He should be priority No. 1. And I mean that with all my heart. He really should be priority No. 1. We don't win the Super Bowl without him. And we need him."

In 65 career games and 18 starts (including playoffs), Jones has caught 166 passes for 2,305 yards and 16 touchdowns. Last season was his most productive, with 50 catches for 679 yards and five touchdowns in 16 regular-season games and 11 catches for 144 yards and two touchdowns in the Packers’ four postseason games, including Super Bowl XLV.

Reached via text message Wednesday afternoon, Jones said he heard about Rodgers comments and appreciated them.

“I’m glad to hear that he has my back, like always,” Jones wrote.

Rodgers also made a pitch for the team keeping veteran right tackle Mark Tauscher, but given the team's salary-cap situation, that appears unlikely. Tauscher did not respond to text messages Wednesday.

 
Hold up Jordy Nelson lovers

Packers making pitch for Jones

GREEN BAY – Aaron Rodgers’ hope of the Green Bay Packers re-signing unrestricted free agent wide receiver James Jones may be more realistic than first thought.

According to an NFL source, the Packers are making an effort to keep Jones, who was expected to be fielding significant offers from other teams as the free-agent period began this week. The source said he believes there is “definitely” a chance Jones re-signs with the Packers.

"I know they're talking," the source said of negotiator Russ Ball and Jones' agent, Frank Bauer.

In an interview with Steve “The Homer” True and Mitch “Thunder” Nelles on ESPNMilwaukee and ESPNMadison Tuesday afternoon, Rodgers implored the Packers to keep Jones.

"James is extremely talented and he's a guy that I think we have to bring back without a doubt," Rodgers said. "He should be priority No. 1. And I mean that with all my heart. He really should be priority No. 1. We don't win the Super Bowl without him. And we need him."

In 65 career games and 18 starts (including playoffs), Jones has caught 166 passes for 2,305 yards and 16 touchdowns. Last season was his most productive, with 50 catches for 679 yards and five touchdowns in 16 regular-season games and 11 catches for 144 yards and two touchdowns in the Packers’ four postseason games, including Super Bowl XLV.

Reached via text message Wednesday afternoon, Jones said he heard about Rodgers comments and appreciated them.

“I’m glad to hear that he has my back, like always,” Jones wrote.

Rodgers also made a pitch for the team keeping veteran right tackle Mark Tauscher, but given the team's salary-cap situation, that appears unlikely. Tauscher did not respond to text messages Wednesday.
Jones wants to be a starter.
 

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