OldMilwaukee
IBL Representative
Yea I should have just come out and said lets get all the DST before that TE gluten can.
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2012 Anarchy League 2 - The League of Champions (1 Viewer)
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BassNBrew
Footballguy
Now only do the upper tier elite drafters give you a real time cheat sheet, we don't fall for the defensive run trick.
http://football18.myfantasyleague.com/2012/options?L=21490&O=17&DISPLAY=LEAGUE&POSITION=Def&FRANCHISE=0000
Given that defenses are hard to predict and the supply is rationed, I don't see why anyone would panic.
http://football18.myfantasyleague.com/2012/options?L=21490&O=17&DISPLAY=LEAGUE&POSITION=Def&FRANCHISE=0000
Given that defenses are hard to predict and the supply is rationed, I don't see why anyone would panic.
kardplayer
Footballguy
No panic at all here. Just that I wouldn't mind having had one of the top defenses that was "likely" (whatever that means in FFL world) to be a top defense, vs. getting 2 of #'s 8-20 and hoping for the best.
In terms at looking at rosters, I do it when I'm close to the turn (as stated above) and especially if I'm deciding between players at different positions, to see if one or the other is likely to fall back to me. Otherwise, I pretty much just look at what I need and hope for the best.
I think David's "cold and callous" remark reflects me as well. At this point, I'm using a shotgun approach and hoping for the best as opposed to locking in on one player that I "must have".
In terms at looking at rosters, I do it when I'm close to the turn (as stated above) and especially if I'm deciding between players at different positions, to see if one or the other is likely to fall back to me. Otherwise, I pretty much just look at what I need and hope for the best.
I think David's "cold and callous" remark reflects me as well. At this point, I'm using a shotgun approach and hoping for the best as opposed to locking in on one player that I "must have".
kardplayer
Footballguy
Don't know that I agree with that on defense. If the difference between #24 and #32 is only going to be 30 points (like it was last year), I'd rather take a RB or WR of my choice I'd leave defense up to chance.Of course, given that Cam Newton was selected 27th-31st last year amongst QB's makes it easier to say you might as well wait!
Tau837
Footballguy
Sure, the difference between #24 and #32 might not be much... that doesn't have anything to do with the point addressed in my post...
Fiddles
Footballguy
Don't understand where u coming from jwb. I've never put those 3 in a category before. Don't see how taking a dst early is a good idea given that you are assured to get 2 unlike any other position except qb which is the highest scoring position in this format. K you are assured nothing. All 3 are more diff than similar.
rzrback77
Footballguy
Biggest difference to me is for the top six or eight defenses that are also teams expected to be super bowl contenders. Those indeed get the bump for the extra games, yet the NFL is so balanced it is challenging to pick those teams.Quarterback to me is the exact opposite to constrained. Once there are only eight to ten left, there is just not much to separate them. When it was down to nine, I reviewed the stats and play call percentages from last year and the only one that I noticed much different from the pack was Tampa Bay and they have a new coach who obviously would like to run more. Just not seeing any separation there and would much prefer to pick and choose among the current running backs and wide receivers remaining and just take whatever team quarterback is left standing.Really like adding the rookie David Wilson from the Giants this round and Burleson last round.
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BassNBrew
Footballguy
Yeah, I don't understand jwb's point either.K - definately a constraint as you want one who will actually be playing.D - the differece between 18th and 31st last year was 32 points. The difference between 4th and 14th was 20 points. If you've got confidence that you are getting a top defense thenit makes sense to burn a pick early. After that it's better to get the better skill position player.QB - Agree with Holloway here.
Tau837
Footballguy
There is typically a 40-50 point dropoff from the #10 defense to the #20 defense, and about an 80 point dropoff from the #10 defense to the last couple of defenses taken.My point on defenses is that IMO I maximize points by taking two top 10 defenses and waiting on RB/WR than by taking the 50th RB or 60th WR and waiting on defenses. I think I can suffer a lesser dropoff in points by taking the defenses earlier.Similarly, while I prefer to avoid taking QB in the first few rounds in this format, I also think it's important to get two QBs in the top half, particularly if you can get likely playoff QBs, to avoid a significant points dropoff. Obviously, if you wait and draft last year's Panthers Team QB, you benefit, but odds are that most who wait won't strike gold like that.The reason I grouped QB, DST, and K in my post is because in each of those cases there is a more limited supply. I think it's important to avoid getting stuck at the end in those categories because of the points dropoffs (QB, DST) and risk (K).All that said, as has been often stated in this and other Anarchy threads, there are a lot of viable strategies in this format, as has been proven over the years.
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Tau837
Footballguy
I agree that once you get to the point that only 8-10 Team QBs remain, it makes sense to prioritize other positions. My point is that I think it's important not to get in that position.
There it is
Footballguy
Gerhart was a steal. I got him in No Mercy.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I am expecting the Vikings to try to run more even if Peterson is going off there is plenty of things Gerhart can do too. Protect Ponder with a heavy dose of running and try to keep the Lions, Green Bay and the Bears off the field as much as possible. The Vikings need to play defense to win any games in this division. I expect them to run the ball a lot.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The following teams have already used their flex spot:
S-Ref, There It Is, and rzr.
Please remember to comply with the roster requirements. I already had to fix that issue in one of the other leagues.
S-Ref, There It Is, and rzr.
Please remember to comply with the roster requirements. I already had to fix that issue in one of the other leagues.
Tau837
Footballguy
We should change the name of this league from "League of Champions" to "League of Slow Drafting".
rzrback77
Footballguy
One more break provided by the Pennsylvania one
OldMilwaukee
IBL Representative
Hacks and rookies
nittanylion
Footballguy
Guys, I don't know what to say, except, 'I'm sorry'...
Wednesday PM, I drove down to Raleigh, NC for a Conference. Brought my laptop, predrafted where I could, etc...I was in meetings all day the one day, and that was on me for forcing you all to wait, but this AM, the last thing I did before packing up my computer and hitting the road was to predraft my Rd 13 pick. I was 2 away, so I put in 3 players, and when I restarted my computer when I got home this evening, it shows my predraft was put in place? None of the guys I predrafted were selected, but for some reason it didn't kick in when the Draft came to me at 13.07.
I tried to make this a non-issue, and for some reason it didn't work out, but I DID try. I didn't just blow you all off.
Sorry it didn't work out. I'm home now, and I'll get back to being a speedy Drafter.
Wednesday PM, I drove down to Raleigh, NC for a Conference. Brought my laptop, predrafted where I could, etc...I was in meetings all day the one day, and that was on me for forcing you all to wait, but this AM, the last thing I did before packing up my computer and hitting the road was to predraft my Rd 13 pick. I was 2 away, so I put in 3 players, and when I restarted my computer when I got home this evening, it shows my predraft was put in place? None of the guys I predrafted were selected, but for some reason it didn't kick in when the Draft came to me at 13.07.
I tried to make this a non-issue, and for some reason it didn't work out, but I DID try. I didn't just blow you all off.
Sorry it didn't work out. I'm home now, and I'll get back to being a speedy Drafter.
rzrback77
Footballguy
No biggie, some of us (well me) just look for other forms of entertainment (mocking) in the commentary thread during the pauses.Carry on!
Tau837
Footballguy
I considered him but passed due to the (small) risk of Kasay sticking. Assuming he wins and keeps the job, he is very good value there.
Tau837
Footballguy
Last year, by this point in the draft (currently waiting on pick 13.13), 14 kickers had been taken. Then, beginning at pick 13.14, 11 straight kickers were chosen, and 13 out of 15 picks were used on kickers.
This year, we've had 12 kickers taken so far. Whoever ends up on the wrong end of the upcoming kicker run will probably lose any chance of winning this league.
This year, we've had 12 kickers taken so far. Whoever ends up on the wrong end of the upcoming kicker run will probably lose any chance of winning this league.
rzrback77
Footballguy
I was worried that I was waiting too late on kickers and seeing as how I already drafted one that some are questioning, I think that this is a valid statement by JWB. There are several battles on-going in camps and there have been several zero points posted by kickers. I feel better that I have one that I think is solid and should have my second kicker in the bank later today.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
sorry....butLast year, by this point in the draft (currently waiting on pick 13.13), 14 kickers had been taken. Then, beginning at pick 13.14, 11 straight kickers were chosen, and 13 out of 15 picks were used on kickers.
This year, we've had 12 kickers taken so far. Whoever ends up on the wrong end of the upcoming kicker run will probably lose any chance of winning this league.
I won Anarchy 3 last year with kickers who ranked #15 and #21 thru week 17.Even if I had taken a ZERO at BOTH kicker positions I still would have won that league by 90 points.
I won Anarchy 4 last year with kickers who ranked #26 and #29 thru week 17.
Even if I had taken a ZERO at BOTH kicker positions I still would have won that league by 361 points.
There are way too many other factors that go into winning these things than what your kickers do. So saying it will cost you any chance at winning if you are on the wrong end of the kicker run is inaccurate. You can take zeros at both and still win.
while I agree you don't neccessarily want those zeros....you don't have to have top guys and you could still win even if you do get zeros....
guess it would come down to what you consider "several" battles....while it might be nice to get two safe guys....you are banking on others not making the right choice later and getting those zeros....so while it may have made you feel better at the time you made the early pick on the kicker, you didn't really gain anything and allowed the guys that waited to have more stuff fall to them at other positions if they get it right....and even if they don't....it doesn't mean they are out of it...
but please don't let this prevent the kicker run from continuing....
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Tau837
Footballguy
That's all well and good, but you didn't win Anarchy 2, the League of Champions (and slow drafting) with lousy kickers.sorry....butLast year, by this point in the draft (currently waiting on pick 13.13), 14 kickers had been taken. Then, beginning at pick 13.14, 11 straight kickers were chosen, and 13 out of 15 picks were used on kickers.
This year, we've had 12 kickers taken so far. Whoever ends up on the wrong end of the upcoming kicker run will probably lose any chance of winning this league.
Even if I had taken a ZERO at BOTH kicker positions I still would have won that league by 90 points.
I won Anarchy 4 last year with kickers who ranked #26 and #29 thru week 17.
Even if I had taken a ZERO at BOTH kicker positions I still would have won that league by 361 points.
There are way too many other factors that go into winning these things than what your kickers do. So saying it will cost you any chance at winning if you are on the wrong end of the kicker run is inaccurate. You can take zeros at both and still win.
while I agree you don't neccessarily want those zeros....you don't have to have top guys and you could still win even if you do get zeros....
guess it would come down to what you consider "several" battles....while it might be nice to get two safe guys....you are banking on others not making the right choice later and getting those zeros....so while it may have made you feel better at the time you made the early pick on the kicker, you didn't really gain anything and allowed the guys that waited to have more stuff fall to them at other positions if they get it right....and even if they don't....it doesn't mean they are out of it...
but please don't let this prevent the kicker run from continuing....
Seriously, in Anarchy 2, the margin of victory the past 3 seasons has been no more than 51 points or so.I'm pretty sure your performance last year in the other leagues was an exception.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Gamesmanship.
This League has it.
This League has it.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I would tend to disagree with Ref and side with JWB on this one. Winning the qualifying leagues is really not the same as winning L1 or L2. On occasion, I have been pressed into service and do very well in the newbie drafts (like BNB will potentially do in L7 this year). It's not the same. Certainly Ref did really well last year in the other leagues, but it's a little different in the longer running leagues with mostly the same participants.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
I knew there would be some of the "wish I could play in that league" thing....was expected...
my response on the PK stuff was mostly tongue in cheek trash talk on my part cause the reason I won those leagues last year was my unreal TE combinations....(plus I got them much later than where they went this year)....but in addition, I stayed relatively healthy and hit on some decent picks...
and while I KNOW the reputation of this group (Legaue 2) deserves the self pimping and self patting on the back that goes on....believe it or not there is still some quality competition/drafting that goes on in the other leagues...the drafts ADP's really don't seem to deviate very much....
Bass is/should dominate 7...
the PK discussion gets some pop on that side of the arguement with the low margin of victory over the last 3 years....I am impressed by the low 51 point differntial average....I should be able to help raise that a little....
my response on the PK stuff was mostly tongue in cheek trash talk on my part cause the reason I won those leagues last year was my unreal TE combinations....(plus I got them much later than where they went this year)....but in addition, I stayed relatively healthy and hit on some decent picks...
and while I KNOW the reputation of this group (Legaue 2) deserves the self pimping and self patting on the back that goes on....believe it or not there is still some quality competition/drafting that goes on in the other leagues...the drafts ADP's really don't seem to deviate very much....
Bass is/should dominate 7...
the PK discussion gets some pop on that side of the arguement with the low margin of victory over the last 3 years....I am impressed by the low 51 point differntial average....I should be able to help raise that a little....
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BassNBrew
Footballguy
Yeah, I was going to chime in that you should have mentioned drafting Gronkowski, Graham, and Hernadez in the late rounds just might have been a factor. Props to you for nailing those picks. If you do that again this year you won't need any stinkin kickers.I knew there would be some of the "wish I could play in that league" thing....was expected...
coordinator
Footballguy
I picked Nate Kaeding last year as the second PK selected and got 0 pts from him getting hurt. I came in third place missing 1st by 112 pts. Nick Novak made 144 points in Kaedings place. So the 0 from the PK position did cost me first place.That's all well and good, but you didn't win Anarchy 2, the League of Champions (and slow drafting) with lousy kickers.sorry....butLast year, by this point in the draft (currently waiting on pick 13.13), 14 kickers had been taken. Then, beginning at pick 13.14, 11 straight kickers were chosen, and 13 out of 15 picks were used on kickers.
This year, we've had 12 kickers taken so far. Whoever ends up on the wrong end of the upcoming kicker run will probably lose any chance of winning this league.
Even if I had taken a ZERO at BOTH kicker positions I still would have won that league by 90 points.
I won Anarchy 4 last year with kickers who ranked #26 and #29 thru week 17.
Even if I had taken a ZERO at BOTH kicker positions I still would have won that league by 361 points.
There are way too many other factors that go into winning these things than what your kickers do. So saying it will cost you any chance at winning if you are on the wrong end of the kicker run is inaccurate. You can take zeros at both and still win.
while I agree you don't neccessarily want those zeros....you don't have to have top guys and you could still win even if you do get zeros....
guess it would come down to what you consider "several" battles....while it might be nice to get two safe guys....you are banking on others not making the right choice later and getting those zeros....so while it may have made you feel better at the time you made the early pick on the kicker, you didn't really gain anything and allowed the guys that waited to have more stuff fall to them at other positions if they get it right....and even if they don't....it doesn't mean they are out of it...
but please don't let this prevent the kicker run from continuing....
I'm pretty sure your performance last year in the other leagues was an exception.
coordinator
Footballguy
I may give Bass some competition in 7. I have always finished in the top 3 for Anarchy leagues since I started doing them. Last year was my first year in League 2 though.I knew there would be some of the "wish I could play in that league" thing....was expected...
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
or you could have drafted better elsewhere....I picked Nate Kaeding last year as the second PK selected and got 0 pts from him getting hurt. I came in third place missing 1st by 112 pts. Nick Novak made 144 points in Kaedings place. So the 0 from the PK position did cost me first place.That's all well and good, but you didn't win Anarchy 2, the League of Champions (and slow drafting) with lousy kickers.sorry....butLast year, by this point in the draft (currently waiting on pick 13.13), 14 kickers had been taken. Then, beginning at pick 13.14, 11 straight kickers were chosen, and 13 out of 15 picks were used on kickers.
This year, we've had 12 kickers taken so far. Whoever ends up on the wrong end of the upcoming kicker run will probably lose any chance of winning this league.
Even if I had taken a ZERO at BOTH kicker positions I still would have won that league by 90 points.
I won Anarchy 4 last year with kickers who ranked #26 and #29 thru week 17.
Even if I had taken a ZERO at BOTH kicker positions I still would have won that league by 361 points.
There are way too many other factors that go into winning these things than what your kickers do. So saying it will cost you any chance at winning if you are on the wrong end of the kicker run is inaccurate. You can take zeros at both and still win.
while I agree you don't neccessarily want those zeros....you don't have to have top guys and you could still win even if you do get zeros....
guess it would come down to what you consider "several" battles....while it might be nice to get two safe guys....you are banking on others not making the right choice later and getting those zeros....so while it may have made you feel better at the time you made the early pick on the kicker, you didn't really gain anything and allowed the guys that waited to have more stuff fall to them at other positions if they get it right....and even if they don't....it doesn't mean they are out of it...
but please don't let this prevent the kicker run from continuing....
I'm pretty sure your performance last year in the other leagues was an exception.
coordinator
Footballguy
I drafted great and would of won if I would of selected a PK that didn't go on IR before the season started. It wasn't that I drafted the PK too early it was that he got hurt. If I would of selected my next PK on the list I could of won. But we can only if all day long.or you could have drafted better elsewhere....I picked Nate Kaeding last year as the second PK selected and got 0 pts from him getting hurt. I came in third place missing 1st by 112 pts. Nick Novak made 144 points in Kaedings place. So the 0 from the PK position did cost me first place.That's all well and good, but you didn't win Anarchy 2, the League of Champions (and slow drafting) with lousy kickers.sorry....butLast year, by this point in the draft (currently waiting on pick 13.13), 14 kickers had been taken. Then, beginning at pick 13.14, 11 straight kickers were chosen, and 13 out of 15 picks were used on kickers.
This year, we've had 12 kickers taken so far. Whoever ends up on the wrong end of the upcoming kicker run will probably lose any chance of winning this league.
Even if I had taken a ZERO at BOTH kicker positions I still would have won that league by 90 points.
I won Anarchy 4 last year with kickers who ranked #26 and #29 thru week 17.
Even if I had taken a ZERO at BOTH kicker positions I still would have won that league by 361 points.
There are way too many other factors that go into winning these things than what your kickers do. So saying it will cost you any chance at winning if you are on the wrong end of the kicker run is inaccurate. You can take zeros at both and still win.
while I agree you don't neccessarily want those zeros....you don't have to have top guys and you could still win even if you do get zeros....
guess it would come down to what you consider "several" battles....while it might be nice to get two safe guys....you are banking on others not making the right choice later and getting those zeros....so while it may have made you feel better at the time you made the early pick on the kicker, you didn't really gain anything and allowed the guys that waited to have more stuff fall to them at other positions if they get it right....and even if they don't....it doesn't mean they are out of it...
but please don't let this prevent the kicker run from continuing....
I'm pretty sure your performance last year in the other leagues was an exception.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
was just busting your chops....I drafted great and would of won if I would of selected a PK that didn't go on IR before the season started. It wasn't that I drafted the PK too early it was that he got hurt. If I would of selected my next PK on the list I could of won. But we can only if all day long.or you could have drafted better elsewhere....I picked Nate Kaeding last year as the second PK selected and got 0 pts from him getting hurt. I came in third place missing 1st by 112 pts. Nick Novak made 144 points in Kaedings place. So the 0 from the PK position did cost me first place.That's all well and good, but you didn't win Anarchy 2, the League of Champions (and slow drafting) with lousy kickers.sorry....butLast year, by this point in the draft (currently waiting on pick 13.13), 14 kickers had been taken. Then, beginning at pick 13.14, 11 straight kickers were chosen, and 13 out of 15 picks were used on kickers.
This year, we've had 12 kickers taken so far. Whoever ends up on the wrong end of the upcoming kicker run will probably lose any chance of winning this league.
Even if I had taken a ZERO at BOTH kicker positions I still would have won that league by 90 points.
I won Anarchy 4 last year with kickers who ranked #26 and #29 thru week 17.
Even if I had taken a ZERO at BOTH kicker positions I still would have won that league by 361 points.
There are way too many other factors that go into winning these things than what your kickers do. So saying it will cost you any chance at winning if you are on the wrong end of the kicker run is inaccurate. You can take zeros at both and still win.
while I agree you don't neccessarily want those zeros....you don't have to have top guys and you could still win even if you do get zeros....
guess it would come down to what you consider "several" battles....while it might be nice to get two safe guys....you are banking on others not making the right choice later and getting those zeros....so while it may have made you feel better at the time you made the early pick on the kicker, you didn't really gain anything and allowed the guys that waited to have more stuff fall to them at other positions if they get it right....and even if they don't....it doesn't mean they are out of it...
but please don't let this prevent the kicker run from continuing....
I'm pretty sure your performance last year in the other leagues was an exception.
...because you had to have drafted pretty well to finish that high....but the point I was just trying to make is I would imagine there may have been other parts of the draft/decisions/etc where had you gone a different direction, you could have covered those 112 points....not getting a zero from your PK is not the only place you could have improved your points...just curious....did you have any other significant injuries..?
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
coordinator...actually went back and looked...last part of draft killed you too as unfortunatley none of them hit for you....
16th Bernard Berrian 16 points
17th Donald Jones 52 points
18th Ernest Graham 36 points
Witten in the first probably didn't live up to his draft spot and Holmes in the 3rd....easy to look back now I know....good run tho...
16th Bernard Berrian 16 points
17th Donald Jones 52 points
18th Ernest Graham 36 points
Witten in the first probably didn't live up to his draft spot and Holmes in the 3rd....easy to look back now I know....good run tho...
coordinator
Footballguy
Jones and Graham were actually doing well for that late of a pic but they both played less than 1/2 the year due to injuries. Berrian just sucked.Just to bust your chops I looked back and you and I were in the same league in 2008, 2009 and 2010 and I finished higher in all of them.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
For some reason, this reminded me of my putrid performance in the PDSL leagues last year. I had so many guys get hurt for all or most of the season that I was BY FAR the lowest scoring team out of ALL the leagues . . . by a few hundred points. Nothing worse than being in a no roster moves league when you can only field 5 players a week.Jones and Graham were actually doing well for that late of a pic but they both played less than 1/2 the year due to injuries. Berrian just sucked.Just to bust your chops I looked back and you and I were in the same league in 2008, 2009 and 2010 and I finished higher in all of them.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
just coming into my own....I'm kinda like the Brandon Lloyd of this ####.....while a member here for more years than I can remember...I was late to the party discovering the gem that is the Mock Draft Forum and all of these leagues....still feel like I'm kicking the tires a little bit with all the talent that swims in here....but quite honestly, I learn more from this forum than any other area and I use much of the information/comments in here to formulate, make, change my thought processes heading into my regular leagues....I have always had the mentality that second place is the first loser so now that I feel a little more comfortable and have a couple decent finishes under my belt...I plan on trying to bring the smack and the pain at a high level...Jones and Graham were actually doing well for that late of a pic but they both played less than 1/2 the year due to injuries. Berrian just sucked.Just to bust your chops I looked back and you and I were in the same league in 2008, 2009 and 2010 and I finished higher in all of them.
....hopefully some folks still chime in around here after all these wrap up....cause I use the commentary/feedback from the solid fantasy dudes in here quite a bit....and some things may change big time over the next month...
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I've seen old ladies stroller up for bingo faster than you slugs draft! 
rzrback77
Footballguy
It is becoming challenging developing conversation topics to fill the void. These drafts, more than any other should speed up toward the end because the choices become increasingly less broad. The less options, the less difficult. Yet, we continue to drag along slowly and more like the hare than the turtle as occasionally we will get up some momentum and then we take a long nap.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
glad you made it back safely and hopefully you enjoyed your trip.....there were times where the other 15 of us felt like we were right there with ya.....
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I'm sure I had pasta at least once during his trip, so I am forced to agree with this.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I'd be interested to hear rad's reasoning in taking JAX QB in the 16th round instead of the last round as there were no other QBs left.
