2025 BTSW Summer of Love Sign Up and Discussion Thread..... (2 Viewers)

[BassNBrew]

24 rounds looks like a lot

It’s different… go deep… hit on a super sleeper… take 3 defenses or three kickers… take Shaduer…or Dart… have some fun…Sam Darnold and Juan Jennings went undrafted last year…what’s wrong with going a little deeper this time of year…maybe something you see in the late rounds here helps in a home league…

Personally I think it's kind of dumb. Big difference in identifying a super sleeper in rounds 20-22 and throwing darts on practice squad fodder hoping for 5 injuries. Also eliminates some strategy with roster distribution. That said, no big deal, drafting is fun.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

2 picks in for my PreDraft
Still a PIA as when I selected them it somehow manages to default 2 full rounds later...I'm trying to plug them in for Rd 16 and it's taking them for Rd 18...
It's a lot to navigate and put up with not to mention almost impossible to find without the map you all provided yesterday

It actually shows with you having predrafts for rounds 16, 17, and 18.
https://www44.myfantasyleague.com/2025/options?L=55223&O=17

 

[rzrback77]

So thankful that y’all left my (now injured) tight end prospect.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

@-OZ- Did you mean to pick a kicker or did you think it was a defense? I almost did this since we are now using team kickers.

 

[-OZ-]

@-OZ- Did you mean to pick a kicker or did you think it was a defense? I almost did this since we are now using team kickers.

I feel like you’re telling me it was a bad pick

 

[OldMilwaukee]

@-OZ- Did you mean to pick a kicker or did you think it was a defense? I almost did this since we are now using team kickers.

I feel like you’re telling me it was a bad pick

Thanks for responding......just confirming.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

@-OZ- Did you mean to pick a kicker or did you think it was a defense? I almost did this since we are now using team kickers.

he has two defenses already and DET DST was gone long ago.....DET is a probably a top 5 PK option so I think it is safe to assume he meant to do that and we can move on...

 

[-OZ-]

@-OZ- Did you mean to pick a kicker or did you think it was a defense? I almost did this since we are now using team kickers.

he has two defenses already and DET DST was gone long ago.....DET is a probably a top 5 PK option so I think it is safe to assume he meant to do that and we can move on...

That, and I’m a lions fan (longer but primary loyalty has moved south)

 

[BassNBrew]

@-OZ- Did you mean to pick a kicker or did you think it was a defense? I almost did this since we are now using team kickers.

he has two defenses already and DET DST was gone long ago.....DET is a probably a top 5 PK option so I think it is safe to assume he meant to do that and we can move on...

That, and I’m a lions fan (longer but primary loyalty has moved south)

So you are rooting for FGs rather than TDs.

 

[-OZ-]

@-OZ- Did you mean to pick a kicker or did you think it was a defense? I almost did this since we are now using team kickers.

he has two defenses already and DET DST was gone long ago.....DET is a probably a top 5 PK option so I think it is safe to assume he meant to do that and we can move on...

That, and I’m a lions fan (longer but primary loyalty has moved south)

So you are rooting for FGs rather than TDs.

Or MANY TDs.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I'm gonna take 3 or 4 maybe 5 Team PK's....you can start two and now they don't get injured since it's team PK .....probably fill a flex spot many weeks....

 

[BassNBrew]

Hey guys, I was on my phone without my readers and fat fingered Bill’s team kicker instead of Cincinnati. Cannot be changed please

 

[OldMilwaukee]

Hey guys, I was on my phone without my readers and fat fingered Bill’s team kicker instead of Cincinnati. Cannot be changed please

I have no commish powers....

@Stinkin Ref to the yellow curtesy phone....

 

[Stinkin Ref]

just got back Ill do it

 

[rzrback77]

@-OZ- Did you mean to pick a kicker or did you think it was a defense? I almost did this since we are now using team kickers.

he has two defenses already and DET DST was gone long ago.....DET is a probably a top 5 PK option so I think it is safe to assume he meant to do that and we can move on...

That, and I’m a lions fan (longer but primary loyalty has moved south)

So you are rooting for FGs rather than TDs.

Or MANY TDs.

And the Lions PK played at Arkansas, so he's got that Razorback strong leg as well.

 

[rzrback77]

Another Arkansas PK, Cam Little Kicked a 70-yd FG yesterday

 

[rzrback77]

It has gotten very, very quiet.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

Shhhhh........be very quiet..........it's snipping season...

 

[Go DC Yourself]

Well you can't snipe if MFL doesn't include the player as draftable. Is there a way to e-mail MFL and tell them to add a guy? Fantrax has him.

 

[bro1ncos]

Well you can't snipe if MFL doesn't include the player as draftable. Is there a way to e-mail MFL and tell them to add a guy? Fantrax has him.

Commish can go in and add a guy. @Stinkin Ref

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Well you can't snipe if MFL doesn't include the player as draftable. Is there a way to e-mail MFL and tell them to add a guy? Fantrax has him.

who do you want

 

[Go DC Yourself]

Well you can't snipe if MFL doesn't include the player as draftable. Is there a way to e-mail MFL and tell them to add a guy? Fantrax has him.

who do you want

Thanks, I got my first choice, the missing player was more of a backup plan. I figured out how to contact MFL to tell them the guy was missing and heard back that he will be added overnight.

 

[Crippler]

QB: Herbert, Love, Willis. Should be a nice combo. Love what both teams are doing. Love hurt won’t matter this yeat

RB. Barkley, Jacobs, Sampson, Singleterry, Smith. Best 1-2 combo. Singleterry more of my vet presence while 2 rookies are wildcards. Sampson good chance to start. Judkins way behind and Ford is average. Smith hoping for PPR stuff

WR. JSN, Worthy, Palmer, Tillman, Legette, Bech, K. Williams. Love myself some JSN. See him as 1st rounder next year. Worthy makes fine #2 in 15 team league. I think Palmer would be on every team if drafting a lot. Will be on IBL. Glowing reports but if he fails just need 1 of starting guy Tillman, hoping 2nd year breakout Legette or excellent opportunities in rookie duo. I like it for waiting

TE. Andrews, Kincaid, Taylor,Musgrave. Like my core a lot. Feel getting 1 flex here for sure. Andrews top vet with lower competition right now, Kincaid hoping for breakout, Taylor beat hope for Jets and Musgrave great camp. Hoping that leads to where Iexpected when drafted as a rookie

PK. Titans, Browns. Leagues worst duo. But here’s believing won’t crush me. Lucky not to get sniped so most must believe

D: Chiefs, Niners, Jags. Like it also a lot. Feel flex can come from here if needed. Unlike K,2 teams got shafted.

Overall. Really like look of team. Not sure what I correct. Maybe grab WR instead of Kincaid or Taylor.

Congrats DC on winning fastest drafter title.

 

[-OZ-]

Overall I probably went too heavy with rookies but I mostly like the team. QB and RB are probably the weakest in the league.

QB Caleb, Trevor, dart - I waited here and took QB17 and 19. I fully expect Caleb to not excel early in the year but turn it on by mid season. If Trevor Lawrence ever becomes the QB most thought he would, this will be the year. Took a dart throw late even though he probably sits for a while. I’ll be relying on Trevor early on which isn’t ideal but might work out.

RB pollard, swift, skattebo, tahj, Jordan James, giddens - 4 rookies in backup roles might be a bit much here but it just takes an injury or two, and some of the guys starting aren’t exactly bullet proof.

WR Nabers, tee, jeudy, Mooney, Aiyuk, Malik Washington, Christian Watson, Jordan Whittington - I like the top 3 as much as anyone’s. I think Mooney can be really good if healthy, same for Aiyuk, but these guys fell (imo) due to injury risk. Watson might have been a bad pick.

TE - kittle, Meuth, sanders - kittle is easily top tier, with as good a shot to be the top TE as the other two. Jonnu might take away from the friar, but I think he’s being undervalued. Sanders could easily be the 2nd best receiver in Carolina, which might not mean a lot but I like the kid’s potential.

K - solid enough imo.

D - raiders, Texans - I think both improve big time this year, but should have taken a 3rd.

Overall, strong in some places but probably way too many lottery picks - unless they pay off.

 

[Go DC Yourself]

QB: Lamar Jackson (QB1) at 1.15. Figured with the best RB gone might as well go for the best QB, particularly since he wouldn't be coming back around. That meant taking a 2nd QB late, so I ended up with Cleveland, which meant having to take the duo of Flacco QB32/13.15 and Picket QB35/19.15. This was before Shadeur showed out in his first game. Went with Cooper Rush at QB 39/24.1 to back up Lamar.

RB: T. Henderson RB 18/3.15 has potential too hard to pass up and Hubbard RB 19/4.1 finished strong last year and was locked up by the Panthers. Charbonnet RB39/9.15 seems to always play more than projected and now Walker is already dinged. Waited and got K. Mitchell as RB62/16.1 for his best ball homerun potential. Took Vidal RB84/23.1 based on Harris's iffy status.

WR: Drake London WR6/2.1 seemed a safer bet than Nacua or B. Thomas because of the lack of new competition for touches, and his immediate rapport with Penix. DJ Moore WR 29/5.15 and J. Myers WR 30/16.1 both seem large parts of their respective passing games, but I probably should have not ignored Ridley. D. Douglas WR53/10.1is supposed to gobble up slot targets in NE offense, but we'll see. A. Pierce WR62/14.1 seems to be forgotten about but has the potential for big games. J. Reynolds WR87/17.15 seemed to be good value for Jets WR2. Took dart throws on rookies I've heard good things about, R. Wilson (Pitt) WR98/21.15 and T. Horton (Sea) WR99/22.1

TE: Of the best remaining healthy vet TE's, couldn't decide between them so took both Pitts TE12/7.15 and Goedert TE13/8.1. J. Johnson TE32/15.15 seems the healthiest in NO.

Def: Sea Def11/11.15 and GB Def12/12.1 both seem to be improving, and I didn't want to wait another two rounds to be picking among 20-something ranked defenses.

Team K: Den 5/18.1 and GB 19/20.1 seem important parts of decent and still improving offenses.

 

[-OZ-]

Drake London WR6/2.1 seemed a safer bet than Nacua or B. Thomas because of the lack of new competition for touches

He’s one of my locks for the subscriber contest. Good value imo.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

NEW Rate My Team Preview - let us know what you think?

results lol

 

[rzrback77]

Quick review of the By The Sea Wannabe Memorial Draft for 2025

I remember BTSW as an avid poster that was usually on the mark. He added wisdom, humor and kindness to most all of his posts. He was also a frequent competitor in the Survivor Drafts, which have been more difficult to recruit people on. I appreciated his pick commentaries and all-around great attitude, particularly as I knew that he was a cancer survivor. I miss him and appreciate @Stinkin Ref running these drafts.

Commentary coming soon

 

[nittanylion]

As MeatLoaf likes to remind us ... Two Out of Three (well, really 5) Ain't Bad!

Wasn't interested in Frieirmuth or Gesicki, and missed out on Strange, but I regard Theo Johnson as having significant upside for TE29. Starting TE with no threats to his job, and not much preventing him from having a prominent role in the pass offense. Went for a double shot of TE love with this turn - I would have thought Elijah Arroyo would have left the building earlier....I'm not worried about AJ Barner...is anyone? Although a Rookie, his situation is similar to Theo's ... I don't regard JS-N as a 'true' Alpha WR1, Kupp has to prove to me he's got gas in the tank...Tory Hunter, MV-S...what?

Think I did OK for waiting so long to address the position.

JAllen, CWard
Achane, Conner/Benson, JWarren
GWilson, Flowers, Ridley, Egbuka, Kirk
TWarren, TJohnson, Arroyo

The final 10 Rounds...

15.14: Will Shipley, RB Eagles - ***HARDCORE SNIPE*** committed by @BassNBrew, taking JWright at 15.13, preventing me from Achane/Wright , Conner/Benson , JWarren ... I might not have drafted another RB if I had that five-some. Curses, Bass!!! Annoyed me enough that I committed a snipe of my own, sorry @Crippler - in Leagues I draft Barkley, I'm taking Shipley as close to post-halfway point as possible, if there's no other falling value to scoop.

16.02: Romeo Doubs, WR Packers - With 26 D/ST already gone, there was just no value left. Figured at least one would fall back to me next turn, so no point in taking one now. Was chagrined to have missed out on Jayden Reed earlier in the Draft (again, BNB), but I like the 'lesser' Packers WR as later targets in BB formats. Doubs spends a lot of time on the field, and is capable of splashes, which are nice from a WR6. Maybe he gets dealt to the Steelers?

17.14: D/ST Colts - pleasantly surprised that my 'best' remaining D/ST from the remaining 6 fell back to me, but there it was. Jahnke/PFF rank #21, made some improvements and OK for BB format. With elimination not being an issue, I don't care about having only 1 D/ST, but when I actually *try* to go this route, I generally take one with a little more 'oomph' and upside.

18.02/19.15: PK's Chiefs/Falcons - as PK6 and PK18, which shows how many PK went between the 2 picks. Timed the run right, and wasn't going to let the same thing happen to me, as happened with D/ST. High-scoring offense, and Dome-heavy PK with distance foot.

20.02: Jacory Croskey-Merritt - the WFT'skins fan in me had to take a flyer on this Training Camp darling, who looks to have solidified the handcuff role to BRob over Chris Gonzalez (Ekeler/McNicholls are the 1/2 3rd down backs, not BRob handcuffs). Maybe even supplants BRob, who I like well enough as a blue-collar lunchpail guy, but who's ceiling is limited.

21.15/22.02: Jaylen Noel, WR Texans/Dontayvion Wicks, WR Packers: All flyers at this point, so why not insure previous picks, after all, it's BB...now have Kirk/Noel, which wraps up slot production for the Texans, which could be a big deal in new OC's offense. Doubs/Wicks adds to whatever spikes might come from an occasional Love deep shot, I guess.

23.14: Elijah Moore, WR Bills - chagrined again, that both Josh Palmer and Dawson Knox were taken much earlier than I expected them to go, as I was looking for some cheap BB pieces to tie to Josh Allen. I waited and waited for all the news I could glean on Samuel, Moore and the rest of the WR room, and this is what I came up with. Maybe he shows up in a box score here and there.

24.02: Shedeur Sanders, QB Browns - I purposefully didn't take him at 23.14, because I wanted to see what GDCY would do. Thought he might double-up on Rush/Sanders to finish out, but he only took Rush, so with how the SS did in the preseason game, I figured if I didn't take him here, someone else would, so...we'll see. I'm not much of a fan, but I'm intrigued by the possibility, and it's OVR Pick#347.


Final Roster:

Josh Allen, Cam Ward, Shedeur Sanders

Achane, Conner/Benson, JWarren, Shipley, JC-M

GWilson, Flowers, Ridley, Egbuka, Kirk/Noel, Doubs/Wicks, EMoore

TWarren, TJohnson, Arroyo

PK Chiefs, PK Falcons

Colts

The MFL Recap likes my Team a lot, which probably doesn't mean squat. I don't think I have enough 'pop' (ceiling) guys to amass enough points to win, but I think 5th overall is a reasonables goal, (Top 1/3rd).

Good luck to all!

 

[nittanylion]

I'll re-iterate that I'm fairly certain that some, (maybe several) Drafters in this room didn't realize at the outset that we were going 24 Rounds. There were several players chosen somewhat noticeably earlier than I expected, even given a 15-Team field.

 

[BassNBrew]

As MeatLoaf likes to remind us ... Two Out of Three (well, really 5) Ain't Bad!

Wasn't interested in Frieirmuth or Gesicki, and missed out on Strange, but I regard Theo Johnson as having significant upside for TE29. Starting TE with no threats to his job, and not much preventing him from having a prominent role in the pass offense. Went for a double shot of TE love with this turn - I would have thought Elijah Arroyo would have left the building earlier....I'm not worried about AJ Barner...is anyone? Although a Rookie, his situation is similar to Theo's ... I don't regard JS-N as a 'true' Alpha WR1, Kupp has to prove to me he's got gas in the tank...Tory Hunter, MV-S...what?

Think I did OK for waiting so long to address the position.

JAllen, CWard
Achane, Conner/Benson, JWarren
GWilson, Flowers, Ridley, Egbuka, Kirk
TWarren, TJohnson, Arroyo

The final 10 Rounds...

15.14: Will Shipley, RB Eagles - ***HARDCORE SNIPE*** committed by @BassNBrew, taking JWright at 15.13, preventing me from Achane/Wright , Conner/Benson , JWarren ... I might not have drafted another RB if I had that five-some. Curses, Bass!!! Annoyed me enough that I committed a snipe of my own, sorry @Crippler - in Leagues I draft Barkley, I'm taking Shipley as close to post-halfway point as possible, if there's no other falling value to scoop.

16.02: Romeo Doubs, WR Packers - With 26 D/ST already gone, there was just no value left. Figured at least one would fall back to me next turn, so no point in taking one now. Was chagrined to have missed out on Jayden Reed earlier in the Draft (again, BNB), but I like the 'lesser' Packers WR as later targets in BB formats. Doubs spends a lot of time on the field, and is capable of splashes, which are nice from a WR6. Maybe he gets dealt to the Steelers?

17.14: D/ST Colts - pleasantly surprised that my 'best' remaining D/ST from the remaining 6 fell back to me, but there it was. Jahnke/PFF rank #21, made some improvements and OK for BB format. With elimination not being an issue, I don't care about having only 1 D/ST, but when I actually *try* to go this route, I generally take one with a little more 'oomph' and upside.

18.02/19.15: PK's Chiefs/Falcons - as PK6 and PK18, which shows how many PK went between the 2 picks. Timed the run right, and wasn't going to let the same thing happen to me, as happened with D/ST. High-scoring offense, and Dome-heavy PK with distance foot.

20.02: Jacory Croskey-Merritt - the WFT'skins fan in me had to take a flyer on this Training Camp darling, who looks to have solidified the handcuff role to BRob over Chris Gonzalez (Ekeler/McNicholls are the 1/2 3rd down backs, not BRob handcuffs). Maybe even supplants BRob, who I like well enough as a blue-collar lunchpail guy, but who's ceiling is limited.

21.15/22.02: Jaylen Noel, WR Texans/Dontayvion Wicks, WR Packers: All flyers at this point, so why not insure previous picks, after all, it's BB...now have Kirk/Noel, which wraps up slot production for the Texans, which could be a big deal in new OC's offense. Doubs/Wicks adds to whatever spikes might come from an occasional Love deep shot, I guess.

23.14: Elijah Moore, WR Bills - chagrined again, that both Josh Palmer and Dawson Knox were taken much earlier than I expected them to go, as I was looking for some cheap BB pieces to tie to Josh Allen. I waited and waited for all the news I could glean on Samuel, Moore and the rest of the WR room, and this is what I came up with. Maybe he shows up in a box score here and there.

24.02: Shedeur Sanders, QB Browns - I purposefully didn't take him at 23.14, because I wanted to see what GDCY would do. Thought he might double-up on Rush/Sanders to finish out, but he only took Rush, so with how the SS did in the preseason game, I figured if I didn't take him here, someone else would, so...we'll see. I'm not much of a fan, but I'm intrigued by the possibility, and it's OVR Pick#347.


Final Roster:

Josh Allen, Cam Ward, Shedeur Sanders

Achane, Conner/Benson, JWarren, Shipley, JC-M

GWilson, Flowers, Ridley, Egbuka, Kirk/Noel, Doubs/Wicks, EMoore

TWarren, TJohnson, Arroyo

PK Chiefs, PK Falcons

Colts

The MFL Recap likes my Team a lot, which probably doesn't mean squat. I don't think I have enough 'pop' (ceiling) guys to amass enough points to win, but I think 5th overall is a reasonables goal, (Top 1/3rd).

Good luck to all!

You are going to get crushed at defense. You'll have weeks where you scored negative points. I'll realize past performance doesn't mean future performance, but as a measuring stick

Colts: 162 pts
Broncos/Eagles: 342 pts

Net: 180 points. That was the difference between winning the league last year and finishing mid pack.

 

[BassNBrew]

QB: Burrow, Browning - Henry has Burrow at QB2. I got a huge discount here. Between a QB in the 4th and 2 TEs early, there never was a good time to add a backup. Considered Ward at 11.10 but has the same buy as Burrow. Let's face it, if Burrow gets hurt I wasn't winning with a middling backup anyway

RB: Jentry, Montgomery, Davis, Judkins, Wright, Monangai - Pretty stoked with the upside here. Looks like I got lucky with Judkins. Monty is a RB1 when Gibbs is out. Davis/Wright/Monangai next man up on strong offenses.

WR: Collins, Deebo, Reed, Burden, Hollywood, Lockett, Coker, Cooper - I kind of punt WR and it shows. Just was looking for 3 scores and would look for flex scores elsewhere. Debbo, Reed, and Burden are very likely to disappoint. Hollywood will be a great bail out in this format. Lockett should post a 5 spot most weeks and was super cheap. Coker is the best WR in Carolina. Cooper just seems too good to be done.

TE: Kelce, Njoku - Didn't plan on two TEs but you guys let Njoku slide stupid late. Henry had him project at above above the WRs going at the time. Wanted Grey to back up Kelce but wanted 3 D and 3 K more.

Def: Broncos, Eagles, Bengals - I feel like 3 is a must in this format, especially when they can post negative numbers for you. I should be able to rely on a flex score here about half of the weeks.

K: Bengals, Giants, 49ers - Took 3 because there should be a marginal return over practice squad guys being drafted. During lean weeks, maybe a 7-8 pt week replaces a donut at flex.

With 15 teams, I don't really feel like I'm in horrible shape any where and having some positions of strength. So much depends on avoiding injury.

Enjoyed drafting with everyone, even the turtles that were among us.

 

[rzrback77]

Team rzrback77

I made no adjustments to Classic DD, other than enter starter requirements and scoring. The ranking of the PKs in DD is based on individuals and not team rankings, but this only impacts a few teams which the PK is not as certain, like the Jets that I drafted.

I really enjoy the give and take and help provided by the groups that hang out together here in the spring and late summer to talk football. Thanks to all of you who help guide my knowledge and prep me for the next NFL season. This one will be different for me as the wife and I are going on a few trips. September to New England, November to Europe for our first ever river cruise, and finally a trip to the East Coast for a beach trip to Virginia in December. No problems for this set and ride league, but the others are going to be a bit more of a challenge.

QB - Well, we have often said that QB depth is monstrous and, in this draft, I was the one that waited and then waited some more. Grabbed my first one in round 8 and selected Justin Fields. If he can develop some passing efficiency this will be a good pick. Hoping for a great connection between him and Wilson. Followed up with Drake Maye with my next pick and finally capped off the trio wit Geno Smith in round 11. Bob Henry has them ranked17, 20 and 23, with Maye being the highest. In Best Ball, I like this trio even without a stud. DD has me as 11th best QBs, but only slightly ahead of all but @BassNBrew, who falls to 15th, going only with Cincinatti QBs Burrow and Browning.

RB - I chose to take WRs back to back beginning the draft and that decision caused my RB corps to be on the weaker side. Kamara was taken first as RB16 and when you wait till most all the other teams already have one and sometimes two in a large league, well you sink the position. Took my second Aaron Jones in the 5th round and then waited forever taking Najee Harris in the 12th and Jerome Ford in the 13th. To compound the weakness of the position, I also went light as the only team with less than 5 RBs. Shockingly, DD ranks this ragtag aging crew also as the 11th best, but I like my QBs way better.

WR - This was the obvious focus point of the team. Drafted eight of them, with four and possibly five having potential to score every week that they play. Started with Jefferson and AJ Brown, then added Sutton and Diggs kind of early. Keenan Allen in the 14th round seemed like a steal. Finalized the crew adding Slayton, Dyami Brown and Dotch late. I don't think there is any question that this group is the league's strongest, without injuries. DD ranked them 1st.

TE - I really like Kraft and think that he can lead all Packer receivers. Got him at 7.7 and TE10 and 24 picks after Njoku went as TE9. Can you say value pick? However, I got distracted or else I did not see someone I liked until someone sniped me, but my second TE was Otton is the 16th round as TE36. Added Mike Mayer and then Ben Sinnott very late. Even waiting late, DD ranks this group as 10th best, better than my RBs for sure.

PK - blah blah blah I took Houston PK a bit early and added Jets as 28th. DD ranked them 14th but think it will finish closer to the middle of the pack.

DST - Totally agree with @BassNBrew that people shoot themselves in the foot here. Defenses score well and even more, the scoring variance week to week is huge. Got a top DST in Buffalo in the 10th round, possibly sniping @OldMilwaukee and added the Browns and the Saints late. DD sees this group as 3rd best.

All in all, wish I had another solid RB, especially as Judkins is suddenly moving Ford to the scrap heap. Looking forward to keeping the discussions alive when I can.