*** 2012 Official Philadelphia Eagles Post Mortem Thread *** (1 Viewer)

[Awful Waffle]

And if the Eagles had a better record for developing young talent, I'd be okay with Poe because at least I'd know they could make him a stud. But look at their last 5 drafts and how many guys are actually quality starting players right now?

 

[CentralPA]

You have to figure if Ryans delivers this year, the Eagles can re-work his contract and at least move a portion of what he's owed into a bonus to lower his cap number. One thing the Eagles are as good as anyone in the league is managing the cap, Joe Banner is a beast on that front.

I don't know if I'd want to lock in long-term to a player with his injury history unless his hit was really, really low (like less than 3M per). If he is the goods, and he works out this year I'd be happy to keep him around year to year at his current hit knowing that if he gets hurt again you can cut him at no cost to your cap.

He's had only one major injury in his pro playing history and that was his Achilles two years ago. He still played all 16 last year. Granted it's still a risk but I tend to think he is a little more durable than not.

 

[Snotbubbles]

You have to figure if Ryans delivers this year, the Eagles can re-work his contract and at least move a portion of what he's owed into a bonus to lower his cap number. One thing the Eagles are as good as anyone in the league is managing the cap, Joe Banner is a beast on that front.

I don't know if I'd want to lock in long-term to a player with his injury history unless his hit was really, really low (like less than 3M per). If he is the goods, and he works out this year I'd be happy to keep him around year to year at his current hit knowing that if he gets hurt again you can cut him at no cost to your cap.

He's had only one major injury in his pro playing history and that was his Achilles two years ago. He still played all 16 last year. Granted it's still a risk but I tend to think he is a little more durable than not.

I would rather see him have a torn ACL than an Achilles injury.

 

[CentralPA]

I think the draft priorities goes the following now:

1) Fletcher Cox

2) Michael Floyd

3) Luke Kuechly

4) D'onta Poe

Also trading back would be somewhere in there too. I still like them to get Kuechly but I'd be happy with Cox or even getting Floyd. No need to sign Burress then if they were even entertaining the idea of drafting Floyd.

 

[CentralPA]

You have to figure if Ryans delivers this year, the Eagles can re-work his contract and at least move a portion of what he's owed into a bonus to lower his cap number. One thing the Eagles are as good as anyone in the league is managing the cap, Joe Banner is a beast on that front.

I don't know if I'd want to lock in long-term to a player with his injury history unless his hit was really, really low (like less than 3M per). If he is the goods, and he works out this year I'd be happy to keep him around year to year at his current hit knowing that if he gets hurt again you can cut him at no cost to your cap.

He's had only one major injury in his pro playing history and that was his Achilles two years ago. He still played all 16 last year. Granted it's still a risk but I tend to think he is a little more durable than not.

I would rather see him have a torn ACL than an Achilles injury.

I'm guessing you are more worried about his speed being affected? Hopefully Eagles took account of that but most athletes are fully recovered from an Achilles tear two full years after the injury occurred so I would think he'd have most of his speed back after a full training camp and no set backs.

 

[JAA]

I think with Ryan's contract and our LB core it makes a lot of sense to still draft LukeK. He might be able to play 2 down WLB, not sure we need the help at the strong side.

 

[Snotbubbles]

You have to figure if Ryans delivers this year, the Eagles can re-work his contract and at least move a portion of what he's owed into a bonus to lower his cap number. One thing the Eagles are as good as anyone in the league is managing the cap, Joe Banner is a beast on that front.

I don't know if I'd want to lock in long-term to a player with his injury history unless his hit was really, really low (like less than 3M per). If he is the goods, and he works out this year I'd be happy to keep him around year to year at his current hit knowing that if he gets hurt again you can cut him at no cost to your cap.

He's had only one major injury in his pro playing history and that was his Achilles two years ago. He still played all 16 last year. Granted it's still a risk but I tend to think he is a little more durable than not.

I would rather see him have a torn ACL than an Achilles injury.

I'm guessing you are more worried about his speed being affected? Hopefully Eagles took account of that but most athletes are fully recovered from an Achilles tear two full years after the injury occurred so I would think he'd have most of his speed back after a full training camp and no set backs.

Yes. Achilles scares me. Still like the trade.

 

[Insein]

I think the draft priorities goes the following now:1) Fletcher Cox2) Michael Floyd3) Luke Kuechly4) D'onta PoeAlso trading back would be somewhere in there too. I still like them to get Kuechly but I'd be happy with Cox or even getting Floyd. No need to sign Burress then if they were even entertaining the idea of drafting Floyd.

I would think Floyd would be a luxury not a neccesity now that Desean is resigned. We can roll with Maclin, Desean, Avant, Cooper with vick and Shady in the backfield. Defense is still the big need.

 

[CentralPA]

I think the draft priorities goes the following now:1) Fletcher Cox2) Michael Floyd3) Luke Kuechly4) D'onta PoeAlso trading back would be somewhere in there too. I still like them to get Kuechly but I'd be happy with Cox or even getting Floyd. No need to sign Burress then if they were even entertaining the idea of drafting Floyd.

I would think Floyd would be a luxury not a neccesity now that Desean is resigned. We can roll with Maclin, Desean, Avant, Cooper with vick and Shady in the backfield. Defense is still the big need.

True, but they still need a tall wideout for the red zone. That hurt their red zone offense last year. I think Floyd would fill that need not to mention he might end up being a stud. Just really like him a lot. I guess you could flip flop him and Kuechly on that list.

 

[Insein]

I think with Ryan's contract and our LB core it makes a lot of sense to still draft LukeK. He might be able to play 2 down WLB, not sure we need the help at the strong side.

I'm hoping they do it just to double up on a position of need. When the Eagles want to correct a mistake, they usually do it definitively. When we had no WR for the first 4 years of Reid, we went and got TO. When our secondary had only a year or 2 left, we drafted 3 DBs in the first 2 rounds. I'm hoping they see the issue at LB that we've all been screaming about for a decade or more. Having Ryans, Kuechley and cheney looks a lot better than Ryans, Cheney and Clayton/Matthews.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I think the draft priorities goes the following now:1) Fletcher Cox2) Michael Floyd3) Luke Kuechly4) D'onta PoeAlso trading back would be somewhere in there too. I still like them to get Kuechly but I'd be happy with Cox or even getting Floyd. No need to sign Burress then if they were even entertaining the idea of drafting Floyd.

I would think Floyd would be a luxury not a neccesity now that Desean is resigned. We can roll with Maclin, Desean, Avant, Cooper with vick and Shady in the backfield. Defense is still the big need.

True, but they still need a tall wideout for the red zone. That hurt their red zone offense last year. I think Floyd would fill that need not to mention he might end up being a stud. Just really like him a lot. I guess you could flip flop him and Kuechly on that list.

I think the tall redzone WR is overrated especially how McCoy has been playing and the way Vick can run. I also think Maclin will be MUCH better this year without any random disease and an off-season.Poe is just too big to be a DT in this scheme, IMO. I'd rather have:1) Fletcher Cox2) Mark Barron2a) Luke Kuechly--Why can't he play SAM?3) Zach Brown

 

[Terpman22]

I like the trade. I really see them trading up to take Barron or just stay put and BPA. Doubt OL goes in round 1, but I expect them to target OL/DL/LB in Round 2 with 2 picks, whichever position they do not address in the 1st. DT is supposed to be real deep this year. I am a fan of Poe, not b/c he is that great, but b/c Washburn is and he is a physical freak. Cannot wait 'til the draft, but I would expect Asante to be sent packing very soon.

 

[delusional]

I like the trade overhaul. Low risk high reward.

They still should draft LK if he is there or there around KCs pick.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

With our current cap situation and set up, is there any real need now to deal Asante? I feel as if he brings much more value playing for us this season then a 3 would.

 

[Insein]

I like the trade overhaul. Low risk high reward. They still should draft LK if he is there or there around KCs pick.

That's probably where they're at at this point. They won't trade up for Kuechley I wouldn't think but if he falls to them, I think they'd really consider it.

 

[Polish Hammer]

Here is a thought...earlier on DH said we were in talks with KC to move up to 11. Presumably we were going to target LK as the LB of the future for this team. Are those talks still in the works or have they cooled? If still in the works, then maybe there is a different target. If cooled, that may confirm that LK was the target. Of course if he falls to 15 we could still consider taking him and just not have to pay the extra to do so.

I also agree about not needing to move Asante. I'd rather have three starting-caliber corners on the team and if they want to draft one or two for the future that's fine. No need to rush them in as rookies. Is Marsh still developing?

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Here is a thought...earlier on DH said we were in talks with KC to move up to 11. Presumably we were going to target LK as the LB of the future for this team. Are those talks still in the works or have they cooled? If still in the works, then maybe there is a different target. If cooled, that may confirm that LK was the target. Of course if he falls to 15 we could still consider taking him and just not have to pay the extra to do so. I also agree about not needing to move Asante. I'd rather have three starting-caliber corners on the team and if they want to draft one or two for the future that's fine. No need to rush them in as rookies. Is Marsh still developing?

The problem with keeping Asante is that we have three starting caliber corners and no one to play inside.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I like the trade overhaul. Low risk high reward. They still should draft LK if he is there or there around KCs pick.

That's probably where they're at at this point. They won't trade up for Kuechley I wouldn't think but if he falls to them, I think they'd really consider it.

Free agency is telling you what the NFL thinks of linebackers. I would be absolutely shocked if the Eagles traded up for Kuechley.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Andy Reid considered bringing Peyton Manning to Philadelphia My link

 

[Awful Waffle]

Here is a thought...earlier on DH said we were in talks with KC to move up to 11. Presumably we were going to target LK as the LB of the future for this team. Are those talks still in the works or have they cooled? If still in the works, then maybe there is a different target. If cooled, that may confirm that LK was the target. Of course if he falls to 15 we could still consider taking him and just not have to pay the extra to do so. I also agree about not needing to move Asante. I'd rather have three starting-caliber corners on the team and if they want to draft one or two for the future that's fine. No need to rush them in as rookies. Is Marsh still developing?

The problem with keeping Asante is that we have three starting caliber corners and no one to play inside.

Ding ding ding! No point in paying Asante 8 million this year when DRC looked pretty good filling in for him the last few games of the season.

 

[Bushead]

the Manning thing doesn't really suprise me, however I found this bit from the same article more interesting...

"Two NFL insiders, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic, said that Philadelphia Coach Andy Reid was ready to walk away from the Eagles if he didn't get more personnel control, and now he has it."

 

[vinwinephans]

Andy Reid considered bringing Peyton Manning to Philadelphia My link

Here's another version, with other details elluding to a recent power-pull by Andy to OBTAIN more personnel or he would walk away - puts a different spin on what's BEEN going on...Interesting.

More from Sam Farmer

 

[JetMaxx]

the Manning thing doesn't really suprise me, however I found this bit from the same article more interesting..."Two NFL insiders, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic, said that Philadelphia Coach Andy Reid was ready to walk away from the Eagles if he didn't get more personnel control, and now he has it."

Wow, that's a bit of a bombshell right there.

 

[vinwinephans]

Eagles released a statement (just heard it read on 97.5):

Re: Manning - did not deny it - only said Mike is their guy and they explore all possibilities, which you should.

Re: Personnel Control - said nothing has changed and he has always had final say on all personnel moves.

edit to add link to statement

 

[Insein]

I like the trade overhaul. Low risk high reward. They still should draft LK if he is there or there around KCs pick.

That's probably where they're at at this point. They won't trade up for Kuechley I wouldn't think but if he falls to them, I think they'd really consider it.

Free agency is telling you what the NFL thinks of linebackers. I would be absolutely shocked if the Eagles traded up for Kuechley.

Oh I know they won't trade up. What I said was if he falls to 15, then they might take him. No way they trade up now.

 

[Polish Hammer]

Here is a thought...earlier on DH said we were in talks with KC to move up to 11. Presumably we were going to target LK as the LB of the future for this team. Are those talks still in the works or have they cooled? If still in the works, then maybe there is a different target. If cooled, that may confirm that LK was the target. Of course if he falls to 15 we could still consider taking him and just not have to pay the extra to do so. I also agree about not needing to move Asante. I'd rather have three starting-caliber corners on the team and if they want to draft one or two for the future that's fine. No need to rush them in as rookies. Is Marsh still developing?

The problem with keeping Asante is that we have three starting caliber corners and no one to play inside.

When you say "play inside" do you mean a CB to cover slot receivers or a safety that supports the run and can cover TEs?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Here is a thought...earlier on DH said we were in talks with KC to move up to 11. Presumably we were going to target LK as the LB of the future for this team. Are those talks still in the works or have they cooled? If still in the works, then maybe there is a different target. If cooled, that may confirm that LK was the target. Of course if he falls to 15 we could still consider taking him and just not have to pay the extra to do so. I also agree about not needing to move Asante. I'd rather have three starting-caliber corners on the team and if they want to draft one or two for the future that's fine. No need to rush them in as rookies. Is Marsh still developing?

The problem with keeping Asante is that we have three starting caliber corners and no one to play inside.

Ding ding ding! No point in paying Asante 8 million this year when DRC looked pretty good filling in for him the last few games of the season.

My reasoning is just that I see Asante, DRC and Nnamdi as better talents then a Joselio Hanson...I find it hard to believe one of those 3, with an entire off-season, cant be better then a slot CB...IMHO

 

[Bigboy10182000]

the Manning thing doesn't really suprise me, however I found this bit from the same article more interesting..."Two NFL insiders, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic, said that Philadelphia Coach Andy Reid was ready to walk away from the Eagles if he didn't get more personnel control, and now he has it."

Wow, that's a bit of a bombshell right there.

I guess you can do that when you're back is against the wall. I'm with Reid on this though and this off-season was more in line with out typical off-seasons.

 

[Amused to Death]

the Manning thing doesn't really suprise me, however I found this bit from the same article more interesting..."Two NFL insiders, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic, said that Philadelphia Coach Andy Reid was ready to walk away from the Eagles if he didn't get more personnel control, and now he has it."

Wow, that's a bit of a bombshell right there.

I guess you can do that when you're back is against the wall. I'm with Reid on this though and this off-season was more in line with out typical off-seasons.

Its been a very good off season so far. If in fact Andy wasn't in total control the last few years then its just more reason to never believe what this front office tells us. The company line has always been that Andy has final say over all player decisions. Maybe he didn't.Listening to 97.5, Tony Bruno brought up a good question - how did Andy have a statement prepared minutes after the news broke? Perhaps it was Andy's camp that's the "unnamed sources"?Like I said, great off season so far...now go win some playoff games and I'll be impressed. I don't want them to be off season winner (they did that last year). Prove it on the field.

 

[JetMaxx]

I would think that the issue/question of control would be a relatively easy subject for DH to settle.

 

[Jason Wood]

I came in to post that same Sam Farmer article.

Very interesting. Hard to know whether it's true or not. I guess the optimist in me (if it's true) would argue that the Eagles drafts were much better in the first 7 years than they've been in the last five, and that coincides with Reid ceding more control over time to the likes of Roseman and his other crew (and Banner, of course). But you have to wonder how much leverage Reid had given how much thin ice he appeared to be walking on.

 

[Terpman22]

Not surprised by the Manning report. Nothing to see here. Guy is going to be one of the top 5 QB's to EVER play the game. No big deal. I agree with keeping Asante, but if we have to move him to get a McCoy extension done and avoid the drama next off-season, then get him gone. If not, def. keep him. He is a playmaker, simple as that. DRC is nice, but Asante could be HOF bound, and I don't see DRC ever getting to that level. All in all, I have LOVED the moves this off-season, although I don't have the Viagra boner I did with last year's off-season.

 

[Insein]

Asante could be HOF bound

I don't want to sound like an a hole but what!?!

 

[Terpman22]

Asante could be HOF bound

I don't want to sound like an a hole but what!?!

Key word is "could" - 2x SB champ, only 31 years old, has 45 career INT's - 5 of which that are TD's AND holds the record for most pick-6's in NFL Postseason history. Unlikely, yes, but not out of the question.

 

[Insein]

Asante could be HOF bound

I don't want to sound like an a hole but what!?!

Key word is "could" - 2x SB champ, only 31 years old, has 45 career INT's - 5 of which that are TD's AND holds the record for most pick-6's in NFL Postseason history. Unlikely, yes, but not out of the question.

Corner is not heavily represented in the hall. In fact I think only Deion Sanders was first ballot as a CB and he's probably the greatest cover corner ever to play the game. He also had his return stats though. Asante is good. He's been very good at times during his career but I don't think his stats or his play amount anywhere near the HOF. I would think a guy like Troy Vincent has a better shot at the Hall than asante.

 

[Terpman22]

Asante could be HOF bound

I don't want to sound like an a hole but what!?!

Key word is "could" - 2x SB champ, only 31 years old, has 45 career INT's - 5 of which that are TD's AND holds the record for most pick-6's in NFL Postseason history. Unlikely, yes, but not out of the question.

Corner is not heavily represented in the hall. In fact I think only Deion Sanders was first ballot as a CB and he's probably the greatest cover corner ever to play the game. He also had his return stats though. Asante is good. He's been very good at times during his career but I don't think his stats or his play amount anywhere near the HOF. I would think a guy like Troy Vincent has a better shot at the Hall than asante.

I don't want to sound like an a hole but what!?!

 

[Jason Wood]

Asante is nowhere close to HOF material.

 

[scratcher]

Asante is nowhere close to HOF material.

 

[Insein]

Asante could be HOF bound

I don't want to sound like an a hole but what!?!

Key word is "could" - 2x SB champ, only 31 years old, has 45 career INT's - 5 of which that are TD's AND holds the record for most pick-6's in NFL Postseason history. Unlikely, yes, but not out of the question.

Corner is not heavily represented in the hall. In fact I think only Deion Sanders was first ballot as a CB and he's probably the greatest cover corner ever to play the game. He also had his return stats though. Asante is good. He's been very good at times during his career but I don't think his stats or his play amount anywhere near the HOF. I would think a guy like Troy Vincent has a better shot at the Hall than asante.

I don't want to sound like an a hole but what!?!

Exactly. That shows you how "close" Asante is to the HOF.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Asante is nowhere close to HOF material.

Champ Bailey: 194 Games PlayedAsante Samuel: 131 Games PlayedChamp Bailey: 50 IntAsante Samuel: 45 IntChamp Bailey: 162 Pass DeflectionsAsante Samuel: 142 Pass DeflectionsIf you look at the top CB's during his playing time you could make the case of him being one of the best over the past five or 6 years. You could argue that he is currently among the top 5-6 corners in the league right now.

 

[Jason Wood]

Asante is nowhere close to HOF material.

Champ Bailey: 194 Games PlayedAsante Samuel: 131 Games PlayedChamp Bailey: 50 IntAsante Samuel: 45 IntChamp Bailey: 162 Pass DeflectionsAsante Samuel: 142 Pass DeflectionsIf you look at the top CB's during his playing time you could make the case of him being one of the best over the past five or 6 years. You could argue that he is currently among the top 5-6 corners in the league right now.

Unless the PFHOF changes its stripes, being one of the top five or six corners in the league at a given time is hardly the bar one needs to hop over for induction.Ronde Barber, Champ Bailey and Charles Woodson are the only current veteran CBs with a strong shot at the HOF, and then one might assume Revis has the chance to get there based on his early success, if he can sustain it.

 

[Insein]

Asante is nowhere close to HOF material.

Champ Bailey: 194 Games PlayedAsante Samuel: 131 Games PlayedChamp Bailey: 50 IntAsante Samuel: 45 IntChamp Bailey: 162 Pass DeflectionsAsante Samuel: 142 Pass DeflectionsIf you look at the top CB's during his playing time you could make the case of him being one of the best over the past five or 6 years. You could argue that he is currently among the top 5-6 corners in the league right now.

Unless the PFHOF changes it's stripes, being one of the top five or six corners in the league at a given time is hardly the bar one needs to hop over for induction.Ronde Barber and Charles Woodson are the only current veteran CBs with a strong shot at the HOF, and then one might assume Revis has the chance to get there based on his early success, if he can sustain it.

Exactly and even then, its not a lock and its not first ballot. They might sneak in on a light year.

 

[Ash]

Asante is nowhere close to HOF material.

Champ Bailey: 194 Games PlayedAsante Samuel: 131 Games PlayedChamp Bailey: 50 IntAsante Samuel: 45 IntChamp Bailey: 162 Pass DeflectionsAsante Samuel: 142 Pass DeflectionsIf you look at the top CB's during his playing time you could make the case of him being one of the best over the past five or 6 years. You could argue that he is currently among the top 5-6 corners in the league right now.

If we could see targets/game, completion % and yards against stats we'd see how much better Champ is than Assante. Bailey's coverage is far superior, he doesn't gamble like Assante does to get the INTs and PDs. Samuel is good, but a mixed blessing. Bailey's

 

[Terpman22]

Sorry. The crucifixion is over. Asante will never be a HOF'er.

 

[delusional]

For all of those who wrote me off as just a negladelphian, with ripping on their draft & personell issues with LB & S...well suck it.

"We had young guys there, and so I knew that going in," Reid said. "The plan that I had I didn't execute it very well. Right? That's my responsibility. I goofed on that one, right? I expected the young guys on defense to get where they're getting by the end of the season sooner, particularly the middle of the defense — linebackers and safeties. I expected the offense to carry it through. So that part didn't take place. But to tell you, yeah, your linebackers — the more gaps you open up, the more physical they have to be. That's how it is."

"I expected the offense to carry it through. So that part didn't take place. But to tell you, yeah, your linebackers -- the more gaps you open up, the more physical they have to be. That's how it is."

Andy Reid on LBs & Safeties.http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/144617465.html

 

[Skeletore Eh]

A league source tells CSN Philadelphia that the Eagles could trade Asante Samuel to the Titans "some time in the next few days."

Per Gunn, the price tag would be a third-round pick. Titan Insider's Terry McCormick reported earlier Wednesday that the Titans had "at least some interest" in uniting Samuel with Alterraun Verner and Jason McCourty, and the 31-year-old playmaker could almost certainly be Tennessee's at the third-round cost. The Titans have been aggressive since whiffing on Peyton Manning, signing Kam Wimbley and now setting their sights on a top NFL cornerback.

 

[Insein]

A league source tells CSN Philadelphia that the Eagles could trade Asante Samuel to the Titans "some time in the next few days."Per Gunn, the price tag would be a third-round pick. Titan Insider's Terry McCormick reported earlier Wednesday that the Titans had "at least some interest" in uniting Samuel with Alterraun Verner and Jason McCourty, and the 31-year-old playmaker could almost certainly be Tennessee's at the third-round cost. The Titans have been aggressive since whiffing on Peyton Manning, signing Kam Wimbley and now setting their sights on a top NFL cornerback.

3rd sounds about right. I'd do it.

 

[eaglesfan7]

The eagles will never learn. Why trade a playmaker, whether we're stacked at the position or not, for a draft pick. We need playmakers, especially on defense, if we are truly going for it all this year. The Eagles can't draft. Every year the analysts say the eagles do so well with getting value for their players but does it really matter? We draft the wrong players every year. They obviously can't spot talent. So frustrating...

 

[Bigboy10182000]

A league source tells CSN Philadelphia that the Eagles could trade Asante Samuel to the Titans "some time in the next few days."Per Gunn, the price tag would be a third-round pick. Titan Insider's Terry McCormick reported earlier Wednesday that the Titans had "at least some interest" in uniting Samuel with Alterraun Verner and Jason McCourty, and the 31-year-old playmaker could almost certainly be Tennessee's at the third-round cost. The Titans have been aggressive since whiffing on Peyton Manning, signing Kam Wimbley and now setting their sights on a top NFL cornerback.

3rd sounds about right. I'd do it.

I just don't see the point in doing it....he makes us better now and we have the cap space.

 

[Insein]

A league source tells CSN Philadelphia that the Eagles could trade Asante Samuel to the Titans "some time in the next few days."Per Gunn, the price tag would be a third-round pick. Titan Insider's Terry McCormick reported earlier Wednesday that the Titans had "at least some interest" in uniting Samuel with Alterraun Verner and Jason McCourty, and the 31-year-old playmaker could almost certainly be Tennessee's at the third-round cost. The Titans have been aggressive since whiffing on Peyton Manning, signing Kam Wimbley and now setting their sights on a top NFL cornerback.

3rd sounds about right. I'd do it.

I just don't see the point in doing it....he makes us better now and we have the cap space.

If he doesn't want to be here, why have that poison in the locker room. We saw what it did last year with both him and desean. Asante is not someone that is irreplaceable. Get what you can and move on.