*** 2012 Official Philadelphia Eagles Post Mortem Thread *** (2 Viewers)

[JAA]

I watched the entire presser last night and thought Andy did a great job. Everything he said was candid, logical and perfectly reasonable. Good on him, and good on Lurie for not being a "typical fan."

I'm gonna assume you're just trying to stir the pot. Drum up some conversation in here.

There is a distinct differance between blind "Rah-Rah" support and "they're going this way, I hope it works, go EAGLES" type of support. A negative attitude at this point is not going to help change a dang thing. A positive attitude by the fans would be better for both the team AND THE FAN.

My opinion of his press conference is neither positive nor negative, it is realistic. Furthermore, if I did have a negative attitude, I do not see in any way why that should impact other fans (you) or the team. Likewise if I had a positive attitude

Can we please not pretend that this off-season is any different then the past 4?

 

[JAA]

What did you want AR to say? How many successful coaches in the nfl throw their players or coaches under the bus? I sure do get tired of the WIP mentality that many Eagle fans seem to have.

See this is the #### that pisses me off. Everything is just going from one extreme to the other. Reid says nothing....we want more...and the Reid enthusiasts immediately think we want all out, full blown details and slamming of people. Here's an idea, how about meeting halfway? I know it's an odd thought but that's pretty much what we're looking for....we're not looking for middle ground of the slim (this weeks presser) and none (the past 14 years pressers) that we're accustomed to.I wouldn’t consider it a WIP attitude. Not to be a ####, but some of us are probably a little tired of eating the same old #### over and over and over. I honestly can't wrap my head around any fan with a positive outlook at this time about this team and coaches. You have seen NOTHING for the past 7 years to even justify your optimism and it's only based on excuses, "what if's" and hope that we could have been the Giants this year...the feeling of the "WIP attitudes" is more justified then any blind optimist posting here...

This is exactly the way I feel. The blind faith crowd is more baffling than the fire everybody crowd. At least you get where the fire everybody crowd is coming from. They're fed up with mediocrity and are lashing out in anger because of being hurt for so long. The blind faith crowd really has nothing to pin their hopes to. It is literally blind faith that Andy will suddenly do something he hasn't done during his whole time as a head coach. 95% of fans are way closer to the middle than that fringe 5% but those 2 extremes seem to lump those against them as the opposite faction.

 

[Jason Wood]

How about for 2012 we divide this into two separate threads.

[*]One for people who actually root for the team and want to see them succeed

[*]Another for those who want to see them crash and burn because they have some inherent wish to be tortured and martyred

 

[JAA]

I believe you being a fraud is obvious (IMO).

However you have yet to answer the question. What do you want him to say to the fans that would benefit the team in any way??

Exactly. How was that presser supposed to go?

*** "I can't believe Lurie hasn't fired me yet, WHAT A JOKE!"

*** "Of course I don't give you guys much each week, you're idiots."

*** "Where have I been this last month? Hiding out in the islands, balllllllllllin!"

*** "I begged Spags to come back, but he told me I'm a lame duck...so I'm pretending to be happy with Juan"

*** "I can't believe we paid Vick all that money, blame Roseman for that one"

*** "Yes, we intentionally try to sign linebackers that will miss assignments just to see the fans get irate"

*** "I have absolutely on interest in winning the Super Bowl, I'm must collecting a paycheck"

*** "I'm a total fraud, those fistful of division titles and Championship game appearances were all luck...a chimp could do my job"

I have no problems with his press conference. But to cite the Eagles numbers and rankings for the last 7 years and conclude they've been successful is a stretch. Division wins are nice if you're the Lions or Dolphins. Year 13 of a coach's tenure should have a higher level of expectations. Thirteen years in, we need post-season success not regular season success. Win in the post-season or step aside. And honestly, his regular season record since '04 is not impressive. Averaging less than 9 wins per season. A sharp decline from his first 6 years - those are the years he made his reputation.ETA: Please don't lump me in with the WIP crowd. I haven't listened to that station in years. I think for myself.

Say Andy resigned/stepped down 7 years ago.All other things being the same, would it be fair to say you would be happier with the last 7 years if someone other than Andy was the coach? So since the coach has been the same for 13 years, the last 7 years are somehow less of an accomplishment?

If Andy had won the superbowl 8 years ago, would the last 7 years, as they have played out, somehow be better?

Would year 13 of the coach's tenure have any less of an expectation on it because he won a superbowl in year 6?

I'd say the level of expectation on Andy Reid has been the same since the first NFC Championship Game... the only level that is changing is the level of frustration and bitterness.

... he would be the best Eagles coach of all time. Funny how that works right? But thats the plight of us Eagles fans.

 

[JAA]

How about for 2012 we divide this into two separate threads.

[*]One for people who actually root for the team and want to see them succeed

[*]Another for those who want to see them crash and burn because they have some inherent wish to be tortured and martyred

Now youre just being antagonistic

 

[Amused to Death]

I believe you being a fraud is obvious (IMO). However you have yet to answer the question. What do you want him to say to the fans that would benefit the team in any way??

Exactly. How was that presser supposed to go? *** "I can't believe Lurie hasn't fired me yet, WHAT A JOKE!"*** "Of course I don't give you guys much each week, you're idiots."*** "Where have I been this last month? Hiding out in the islands, balllllllllllin!"*** "I begged Spags to come back, but he told me I'm a lame duck...so I'm pretending to be happy with Juan"*** "I can't believe we paid Vick all that money, blame Roseman for that one"*** "Yes, we intentionally try to sign linebackers that will miss assignments just to see the fans get irate"*** "I have absolutely on interest in winning the Super Bowl, I'm must collecting a paycheck"*** "I'm a total fraud, those fistful of division titles and Championship game appearances were all luck...a chimp could do my job"

I have no problems with his press conference. But to cite the Eagles numbers and rankings for the last 7 years and conclude they've been successful is a stretch. Division wins are nice if you're the Lions or Dolphins. Year 13 of a coach's tenure should have a higher level of expectations. Thirteen years in, we need post-season success not regular season success. Win in the post-season or step aside. And honestly, his regular season record since '04 is not impressive. Averaging less than 9 wins per season. A sharp decline from his first 6 years - those are the years he made his reputation.ETA: Please don't lump me in with the WIP crowd. I haven't listened to that station in years. I think for myself.

Say Andy resigned/stepped down 7 years ago.All other things being the same, would it be fair to say you would be happier with the last 7 years if someone other than Andy was the coach? So since the coach has been the same for 13 years, the last 7 years are somehow less of an accomplishment? If Andy had won the superbowl 8 years ago, would the last 7 years, as they have played out, somehow be better?Would year 13 of the coach's tenure have any less of an expectation on it because he won a superbowl in year 6?I'd say the level of expectation on Andy Reid has been the same since the first NFC Championship Game... the only level that is changing is the level of frustration and bitterness.

I've asked the same question when I hear Andy's 'untouchable'. If it were another coach over the last 7 years, would that resume say he's an elite coach? So to answer your question, I'd be just as unhappy. how many other coaches actually get 7 years to win, let alone 14? Not many. Five of the last 7 years have resulted in zero playoff wins. The one year they were successful ('08) it took a double-back-door miracle to even make the post-season.And this reasoning about who else could the Eagles hire that would be more successful, well I understand championship coaches are hard to find. That doesn't mean you stop looking. Most of the Super Bowl's during Andy's tenure have been won by coaches hired after him. So yes, Super Bowl winning coaches can be found.And I'm sorry, but hiring your unqualified O-line coach to be your DC for a championship caliber team is just weird. And it cost them big time in 2011.

 

[Amused to Death]

How about for 2012 we divide this into two separate threads.

[*]One for people who actually root for the team and want to see them succeed

[*]Another for those who want to see them crash and burn because they have some inherent wish to be tortured and martyred

Now youre just being antagonistic

I always root for them to win. I'm an Eagles fan. Not an "Andy Reid" fan. When Andy does leave I will still be an Eagles fan. This team has not been successful under Reid in a long time.

I want them to succeed regardless who's coaching.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

What did you want AR to say? How many successful coaches in the nfl throw their players or coaches under the bus? I sure do get tired of the WIP mentality that many Eagle fans seem to have.

See this is the #### that pisses me off. Everything is just going from one extreme to the other. Reid says nothing....we want more...and the Reid enthusiasts immediately think we want all out, full blown details and slamming of people. Here's an idea, how about meeting halfway? I know it's an odd thought but that's pretty much what we're looking for....we're not looking for middle ground of the slim (this weeks presser) and none (the past 14 years pressers) that we're accustomed to.I wouldn’t consider it a WIP attitude. Not to be a ####, but some of us are probably a little tired of eating the same old #### over and over and over. I honestly can't wrap my head around any fan with a positive outlook at this time about this team and coaches. You have seen NOTHING for the past 7 years to even justify your optimism and it's only based on excuses, "what if's" and hope that we could have been the Giants this year...the feeling of the "WIP attitudes" is more justified then any blind optimist posting here...

Saying we've got nothing in 7 years is EXACTLY the WIP mentality.Nothing?We've made the playoffs four times, won our division three times, and gone to an NFC Championship game in that span. That's nothing?

Gimme a second, I'm gonna go count the trophies for all of these accomplishments. Okay I'm back, none

 

[renesauz]

I believe you being a fraud is obvious (IMO).

However you have yet to answer the question. What do you want him to say to the fans that would benefit the team in any way??

Exactly. How was that presser supposed to go?

*** "I can't believe Lurie hasn't fired me yet, WHAT A JOKE!"

*** "Of course I don't give you guys much each week, you're idiots."

*** "Where have I been this last month? Hiding out in the islands, balllllllllllin!"

*** "I begged Spags to come back, but he told me I'm a lame duck...so I'm pretending to be happy with Juan"

*** "I can't believe we paid Vick all that money, blame Roseman for that one"

*** "Yes, we intentionally try to sign linebackers that will miss assignments just to see the fans get irate"

*** "I have absolutely on interest in winning the Super Bowl, I'm must collecting a paycheck"

*** "I'm a total fraud, those fistful of division titles and Championship game appearances were all luck...a chimp could do my job"

I have no problems with his press conference. But to cite the Eagles numbers and rankings for the last 7 years and conclude they've been successful is a stretch. Division wins are nice if you're the Lions or Dolphins. Year 13 of a coach's tenure should have a higher level of expectations. Thirteen years in, we need post-season success not regular season success. Win in the post-season or step aside. And honestly, his regular season record since '04 is not impressive. Averaging less than 9 wins per season. A sharp decline from his first 6 years - those are the years he made his reputation.ETA: Please don't lump me in with the WIP crowd. I haven't listened to that station in years. I think for myself.

Say Andy resigned/stepped down 7 years ago.All other things being the same, would it be fair to say you would be happier with the last 7 years if someone other than Andy was the coach? So since the coach has been the same for 13 years, the last 7 years are somehow less of an accomplishment?

If Andy had won the superbowl 8 years ago, would the last 7 years, as they have played out, somehow be better?

Would year 13 of the coach's tenure have any less of an expectation on it because he won a superbowl in year 6?

I'd say the level of expectation on Andy Reid has been the same since the first NFC Championship Game... the only level that is changing is the level of frustration and bitterness.

I've asked the same question when I hear Andy's 'untouchable'. If it were another coach over the last 7 years, would that resume say he's an elite coach? So to answer your question, I'd be just as unhappy. how many other coaches actually get 7 years to win, let alone 14? Not many. Five of the last 7 years have resulted in zero playoff wins. The one year they were successful ('08) it took a double-back-door miracle to even make the post-season.And this reasoning about who else could the Eagles hire that would be more successful, well I understand championship coaches are hard to find. That doesn't mean you stop looking. Most of the Super Bowl's during Andy's tenure have been won by coaches hired after him. So yes, Super Bowl winning coaches can be found.

And I'm sorry, but hiring your unqualified O-line coach to be your DC for a championship caliber team is just weird. And it cost them big time in 2011.

I still have a problem with the idea that this last idea is a fact. A new coordinator with 5 or 6 new starters and virtually no off-season is enough to make any Defense struggle.Too many in here are tending to lump folks into one extreme (blind rah-rah) or the other (won't be happy with anything but Andy's firing right now). By right now...I mean TODAY.

I know Jason isn't a blind rah rah guy, nor am I. But we've accepted the fact that Andy WILL BE BACK, and we're moving past that to see the positives and not dwell on the negatives that aren't changing. I think hiring Juan was a screw-up, but IT IS NOT PROVEN that he's a failure, at least not at this point...so why harp on it? There really are good reasons to hope for this team, and if you have no hope...then why bother even watching? If you have no hope...go away instead of dragging down those with it.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

How about for 2012 we divide this into two separate threads.

[*]One for people who actually root for the team and want to see them succeed

[*]Another for those who want to see them crash and burn because they have some inherent wish to be tortured and martyred

My distaste for Reid and the way the team is run has nothing to do with me sitting down every Sunday and rooting for the birds. And then following every tidbit of information from Monday to Saturday, and sitting down on Sunday and rooting for the birds again.

 

[Insein]

How about for 2012 we divide this into two separate threads.

[*]One for people who actually root for the team and want to see them succeed

[*]Another for those who want to see them crash and burn because they have some inherent wish to be tortured and martyred

Jason, where did your level headed alter-ego go? Because for the last 3 pages all you've done is try to insight a flame war. We have people that are gloom and doom all the time (delusional) but for the most part everyone in here hopes that the Eagles can improve. When we cite areas where the management and coaching staff has failed to improve and refuses to recognize as an area of weakness, why then are we branded as people that want to see the team crash and burn? There's a difference between a battered wife that thinks her husband will change and one that sees whats going on and demands a divorce.

 

[Jason Wood]

Jason, where did your level headed alter-ego go? Because for the last 3 pages all you've done is try to insight a flame war.

We have people that are gloom and doom all the time (delusional) but for the most part everyone in here hopes that the Eagles can improve. When we cite areas where the management and coaching staff has failed to improve and refuses to recognize as an area of weakness, why then are we branded as people that want to see the team crash and burn? There's a difference between a battered wife that thinks her husband will change and one that sees whats going on and demands a divorce.

It's been driven insane by the incessant, unending negativity that pervades our fan base. It's mind boggling. Do you listen to Sirius NFL radio ever by chance? Because if you do, you would recognize that just about every other team's fan base is more optimistic about their teams, even those with no reason to be. In February even the Browns and Rams and Bucs are feeling good about things. What's happening in this thread? Hate for a press conference that -- for the life of me -- I can't see why it was worthy of criticism. Or still showing anger over the OWNERS decision about what to do with HIS team. The year we drafted Kolb, I wasn't happy. Thought it was a waste to use a 2nd rounder that year on a QB. When we got rid of McNabb I wasn't happy. Never though Kolb was legit. I complained. But once the decisions were made? I got past it. Once Kolb became our guy, he was my guy...until he wasn't. And I rooted my ### off for him. I get the idea that some think Reid should be gone. And I'm on record as saying that firing Reid this year would've been understandable. I also get, more than most, the pain of watching your team fall short -- live and in person -- so many times. It SUCKS. But what's done is done. Andy is our coach for 2012. Is that THE BEST option? That's obviously subject to debate, but it's the reality at this point. And we can ABSOLUTELY say that Andy as HC is much better than a great many alternatives. Again, maybe it's not THE BEST, but he's certainly better than a huge percentage of the other possibilities. And Juan is our DC. Am I giddy about that? No, of course not. But it's the reality. So I'm going to root my butt off and hope that the improvement we saw down the stretch really was a byproduct of his scheme taking hold and not because we were playing bad teams.

I could live with balance in this thread, I really could. I could live with "I'm upset about A but am happy with B." But many people seem hellbent on pointing out the negative aspects of every nuance of this team. And I can't FATHOM how that makes for fun Sundays. Just wired differently, it seems.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

It's been driven insane by the incessant, unending negativity that pervades our fan base.

You ever consider why the fan base is like that? You think constantly investing all your feelings into a team for years only to see them do the same thing over and over have anything to do with it? If so, do you believe it's justified?

And I can't FATHOM how that makes for fun Sundays.

Because the end all, be all is that I (I'm sure like the others here) LOVE football.Make no mistake about it, I understand your point and a part of me wishes I was more like you. I have been optomistic for a very, very long time but now it's at the point where I feel as if I am reading the same book for the 14th time and trying to recapture that excitment from the first time, it's not easy.The flaming is BS...same as the other guy calling people a "fraud" because of a different opinion. A lot of people have hope but IMHO there has to be a cap if for no other reason then what we've seen the past 7 years.

 

[Insein]

Jason, where did your level headed alter-ego go? Because for the last 3 pages all you've done is try to insight a flame war.

We have people that are gloom and doom all the time (delusional) but for the most part everyone in here hopes that the Eagles can improve. When we cite areas where the management and coaching staff has failed to improve and refuses to recognize as an area of weakness, why then are we branded as people that want to see the team crash and burn? There's a difference between a battered wife that thinks her husband will change and one that sees whats going on and demands a divorce.

It's been driven insane by the incessant, unending negativity that pervades our fan base. It's mind boggling. Do you listen to Sirius NFL radio ever by chance? Because if you do, you would recognize that just about every other team's fan base is more optimistic about their teams, even those with no reason to be. In February even the Browns and Rams and Bucs are feeling good about things. What's happening in this thread? Hate for a press conference that -- for the life of me -- I can't see why it was worthy of criticism. Or still showing anger over the OWNERS decision about what to do with HIS team.

I think the reason those teams are so optimistic is because they have the possibility for change. New coaches, new regimes bring the hope that something good will come of it. San Fran this year, KC last year or Miami in 08 for example had relative new coaching staffs and found a way to turn it around. Fan bases have reason to be hopeful because the see examples of other teams turning it around. Whether success is sustained or fleeting is the next level they take but those fans are hopeful because they know that 2-14 is at the bottom of where they can be. It also helps when a franchise has had a Super Bowl win in their lifetime (Stl, TB). We have the same guy we've had for the last 13 years. We know what we have. He's going to get us 7 to 11 wins and maybe a first round playoff win. We're going to have an offense that scores a lot of points with finesse and a defense that pads stats against bad teams. We know whats going to happen because we've seen it. Until Reid does something out of character, I'm going to assume this is the same Andy Reid that has coached here for the previous 14 years.

The year we drafted Kolb, I wasn't happy. Thought it was a waste to use a 2nd rounder that year on a QB. When we got rid of McNabb I wasn't happy. Never though Kolb was legit. I complained. But once the decisions were made? I got past it. Once Kolb became our guy, he was my guy...until he wasn't. And I rooted my ### off for him. I get the idea that some think Reid should be gone. And I'm on record as saying that firing Reid this year would've been understandable. I also get, more than most, the pain of watching your team fall short -- live and in person -- so many times. It SUCKS. But what's done is done. Andy is our coach for 2012. Is that THE BEST option? That's obviously subject to debate, but it's the reality at this point. And we can ABSOLUTELY say that Andy as HC is much better than a great many alternatives. Again, maybe it's not THE BEST, but he's certainly better than a huge percentage of the other possibilities. And Juan is our DC. Am I giddy about that? No, of course not. But it's the reality. So I'm going to root my butt off and hope that the improvement we saw down the stretch really was a byproduct of his scheme taking hold and not because we were playing bad teams.

I could live with balance in this thread, I really could. I could live with "I'm upset about A but am happy with B." But many people seem hellbent on pointing out the negative aspects of every nuance of this team. And I can't FATHOM how that makes for fun Sundays. Just wired differently, it seems.

There really isn't that many people doing that. Its basically just delusional and maybe 1 or 2 others. Others are just sighting the negatives in the hope that maybe they will actually do something to change it to a positive. One can dream can't they?

 

[vinwinephans]

I believe you being a fraud is obvious (IMO).

However you have yet to answer the question. What do you want him to say to the fans that would benefit the team in any way??

Exactly. How was that presser supposed to go?

*** "I can't believe Lurie hasn't fired me yet, WHAT A JOKE!"

*** "Of course I don't give you guys much each week, you're idiots."

*** "Where have I been this last month? Hiding out in the islands, balllllllllllin!"

*** "I begged Spags to come back, but he told me I'm a lame duck...so I'm pretending to be happy with Juan"

*** "I can't believe we paid Vick all that money, blame Roseman for that one"

*** "Yes, we intentionally try to sign linebackers that will miss assignments just to see the fans get irate"

*** "I have absolutely on interest in winning the Super Bowl, I'm must collecting a paycheck"

*** "I'm a total fraud, those fistful of division titles and Championship game appearances were all luck...a chimp could do my job"

I have no problems with his press conference. But to cite the Eagles numbers and rankings for the last 7 years and conclude they've been successful is a stretch. Division wins are nice if you're the Lions or Dolphins. Year 13 of a coach's tenure should have a higher level of expectations. Thirteen years in, we need post-season success not regular season success. Win in the post-season or step aside. And honestly, his regular season record since '04 is not impressive. Averaging less than 9 wins per season. A sharp decline from his first 6 years - those are the years he made his reputation.ETA: Please don't lump me in with the WIP crowd. I haven't listened to that station in years. I think for myself.

Say Andy resigned/stepped down 7 years ago.All other things being the same, would it be fair to say you would be happier with the last 7 years if someone other than Andy was the coach? So since the coach has been the same for 13 years, the last 7 years are somehow less of an accomplishment?

If Andy had won the superbowl 8 years ago, would the last 7 years, as they have played out, somehow be better?

Would year 13 of the coach's tenure have any less of an expectation on it because he won a superbowl in year 6?

I'd say the level of expectation on Andy Reid has been the same since the first NFC Championship Game... the only level that is changing is the level of frustration and bitterness.

... he would be the best Eagles coach of all time. Funny how that works right? But thats the plight of us Eagles fans.

Isn't he already the best Eagles coach of all time?

 

[renesauz]

Jason, where did your level headed alter-ego go? Because for the last 3 pages all you've done is try to insight a flame war.

We have people that are gloom and doom all the time (delusional) but for the most part everyone in here hopes that the Eagles can improve. When we cite areas where the management and coaching staff has failed to improve and refuses to recognize as an area of weakness, why then are we branded as people that want to see the team crash and burn? There's a difference between a battered wife that thinks her husband will change and one that sees whats going on and demands a divorce.

It's been driven insane by the incessant, unending negativity that pervades our fan base. It's mind boggling. Do you listen to Sirius NFL radio ever by chance? Because if you do, you would recognize that just about every other team's fan base is more optimistic about their teams, even those with no reason to be. In February even the Browns and Rams and Bucs are feeling good about things. What's happening in this thread? Hate for a press conference that -- for the life of me -- I can't see why it was worthy of criticism. Or still showing anger over the OWNERS decision about what to do with HIS team. The year we drafted Kolb, I wasn't happy. Thought it was a waste to use a 2nd rounder that year on a QB. When we got rid of McNabb I wasn't happy. Never though Kolb was legit. I complained. But once the decisions were made? I got past it. Once Kolb became our guy, he was my guy...until he wasn't. And I rooted my ### off for him. I get the idea that some think Reid should be gone. And I'm on record as saying that firing Reid this year would've been understandable. I also get, more than most, the pain of watching your team fall short -- live and in person -- so many times. It SUCKS. But what's done is done. Andy is our coach for 2012. Is that THE BEST option? That's obviously subject to debate, but it's the reality at this point. And we can ABSOLUTELY say that Andy as HC is much better than a great many alternatives. Again, maybe it's not THE BEST, but he's certainly better than a huge percentage of the other possibilities. And Juan is our DC. Am I giddy about that? No, of course not. But it's the reality. So I'm going to root my butt off and hope that the improvement we saw down the stretch really was a byproduct of his scheme taking hold and not because we were playing bad teams.

I could live with balance in this thread, I really could. I could live with "I'm upset about A but am happy with B." But many people seem hellbent on pointing out the negative aspects of every nuance of this team. And I can't FATHOM how that makes for fun Sundays. Just wired differently, it seems.

Much better articulated than I was, but almost exactly how I feel!

 

[vinwinephans]

I believe you being a fraud is obvious (IMO). However you have yet to answer the question. What do you want him to say to the fans that would benefit the team in any way??

Exactly. How was that presser supposed to go? *** "I can't believe Lurie hasn't fired me yet, WHAT A JOKE!"*** "Of course I don't give you guys much each week, you're idiots."*** "Where have I been this last month? Hiding out in the islands, balllllllllllin!"*** "I begged Spags to come back, but he told me I'm a lame duck...so I'm pretending to be happy with Juan"*** "I can't believe we paid Vick all that money, blame Roseman for that one"*** "Yes, we intentionally try to sign linebackers that will miss assignments just to see the fans get irate"*** "I have absolutely on interest in winning the Super Bowl, I'm must collecting a paycheck"*** "I'm a total fraud, those fistful of division titles and Championship game appearances were all luck...a chimp could do my job"

I have no problems with his press conference. But to cite the Eagles numbers and rankings for the last 7 years and conclude they've been successful is a stretch. Division wins are nice if you're the Lions or Dolphins. Year 13 of a coach's tenure should have a higher level of expectations. Thirteen years in, we need post-season success not regular season success. Win in the post-season or step aside. And honestly, his regular season record since '04 is not impressive. Averaging less than 9 wins per season. A sharp decline from his first 6 years - those are the years he made his reputation.ETA: Please don't lump me in with the WIP crowd. I haven't listened to that station in years. I think for myself.

Say Andy resigned/stepped down 7 years ago.All other things being the same, would it be fair to say you would be happier with the last 7 years if someone other than Andy was the coach? So since the coach has been the same for 13 years, the last 7 years are somehow less of an accomplishment? If Andy had won the superbowl 8 years ago, would the last 7 years, as they have played out, somehow be better?Would year 13 of the coach's tenure have any less of an expectation on it because he won a superbowl in year 6?I'd say the level of expectation on Andy Reid has been the same since the first NFC Championship Game... the only level that is changing is the level of frustration and bitterness.

I've asked the same question when I hear Andy's 'untouchable'. If it were another coach over the last 7 years, would that resume say he's an elite coach? So to answer your question, I'd be just as unhappy. how many other coaches actually get 7 years to win, let alone 14? Not many. Five of the last 7 years have resulted in zero playoff wins. The one year they were successful ('08) it took a double-back-door miracle to even make the post-season.And this reasoning about who else could the Eagles hire that would be more successful, well I understand championship coaches are hard to find. That doesn't mean you stop looking. Most of the Super Bowl's during Andy's tenure have been won by coaches hired after him. So yes, Super Bowl winning coaches can be found.And I'm sorry, but hiring your unqualified O-line coach to be your DC for a championship caliber team is just weird. And it cost them big time in 2011.

So there's no hope for 2012 in your mind? Andy been here too long, therefore he won't win. So from this point on, until he is fired or steps down, why be positive? why root?If three different coaches accomplished the same results over the last 13 years, we would be happier? Any less frustrated?18 teams have won the 45 superbowls... 8 teams have won 32 of them (71%). One of those 8 teams is about to win the next one. 11 teams have won 38 of the 45 (84%).Winning the superbowl is an admirable and desirable goal, but doing so is not as easy as saying it. I guess I take a realist perspective on this. I want a superbowl, but I also consider it a long shot that it will actually happen. I root for the Eagles to win. I hope things fall their way. I'd like to see Andy get it too. I think he's good enough to win one. I don't think 13 years is too long to rule him out, just like 45 years is only long enough to award 18 franchises the trophy.

 

[Amused to Death]

So there's no hope for 2012 in your mind? Andy been here too long, therefore he won't win. So from this point on, until he is fired or steps down, why be positive? why root?If three different coaches accomplished the same results over the last 13 years, we would be happier? Any less frustrated?18 teams have won the 45 superbowls... 8 teams have won 32 of them (71%). One of those 8 teams is about to win the next one. 11 teams have won 38 of the 45 (84%).Winning the superbowl is an admirable and desirable goal, but doing so is not as easy as saying it. I guess I take a realist perspective on this. I want a superbowl, but I also consider it a long shot that it will actually happen. I root for the Eagles to win. I hope things fall their way. I'd like to see Andy get it too. I think he's good enough to win one. I don't think 13 years is too long to rule him out, just like 45 years is only long enough to award 18 franchises the trophy.

I've never said anything about having no hope. Every season brings renewed hope. But it diminishes as the seasons progress and you see the same shortcomings year after year. And now the team has stopped progressing and has regressed 3 straight years. They are trending the wrong way. My hope for 2012 is that they make a strong push for a championship (make it to the NFCCG) or there will be major changes. Whether that includes Andy is yet to be seen. But I think even Roseman is under some pressure as well.I just don't have blind devotion to Andy Reid. If they had the same lack of success under 3 different coaches, I'd still be hoping for improvement. I get tired of hearing about how crazy Philly fans are for wanting change. Andy is not the be-all, end-all of NFL coaches. He's a good coach. He had great success 8 years ago. That's a lifetime in sports. Every coach has an expiration date. Maybe after 7 years of mediocrity, Andy's reaching his.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Jason, where did your level headed alter-ego go? Because for the last 3 pages all you've done is try to insight a flame war.

We have people that are gloom and doom all the time (delusional) but for the most part everyone in here hopes that the Eagles can improve. When we cite areas where the management and coaching staff has failed to improve and refuses to recognize as an area of weakness, why then are we branded as people that want to see the team crash and burn? There's a difference between a battered wife that thinks her husband will change and one that sees whats going on and demands a divorce.

It's been driven insane by the incessant, unending negativity that pervades our fan base. It's mind boggling. Do you listen to Sirius NFL radio ever by chance? Because if you do, you would recognize that just about every other team's fan base is more optimistic about their teams, even those with no reason to be. In February even the Browns and Rams and Bucs are feeling good about things. What's happening in this thread? Hate for a press conference that -- for the life of me -- I can't see why it was worthy of criticism. Or still showing anger over the OWNERS decision about what to do with HIS team. The year we drafted Kolb, I wasn't happy. Thought it was a waste to use a 2nd rounder that year on a QB. When we got rid of McNabb I wasn't happy. Never though Kolb was legit. I complained. But once the decisions were made? I got past it. Once Kolb became our guy, he was my guy...until he wasn't. And I rooted my ### off for him. I get the idea that some think Reid should be gone. And I'm on record as saying that firing Reid this year would've been understandable. I also get, more than most, the pain of watching your team fall short -- live and in person -- so many times. It SUCKS. But what's done is done. Andy is our coach for 2012. Is that THE BEST option? That's obviously subject to debate, but it's the reality at this point. And we can ABSOLUTELY say that Andy as HC is much better than a great many alternatives. Again, maybe it's not THE BEST, but he's certainly better than a huge percentage of the other possibilities. And Juan is our DC. Am I giddy about that? No, of course not. But it's the reality. So I'm going to root my butt off and hope that the improvement we saw down the stretch really was a byproduct of his scheme taking hold and not because we were playing bad teams.

I could live with balance in this thread, I really could. I could live with "I'm upset about A but am happy with B." But many people seem hellbent on pointing out the negative aspects of every nuance of this team. And I can't FATHOM how that makes for fun Sundays. Just wired differently, it seems.

For the life of me, I can't see how that press conference was worthy of all out praise, lauding Andy for his performance. I could live with balance in this thread, I really could. But many people seem hellbent on praising a coach and organization, that simply aren't worthy.

 

[Game Time]

I honestly think there are a handful of true Eagles fans here..... You can ##### or moan all you want... This is what we got for now, so you support and root for your team..... If the Eagles right this thing next year and start playing some good football and somehow could win a Super Bowl I don't want to hear one thing from any of the nay sayers in this thread.... I still am shocked that so many of you really have no clue about dealing with the press.... Andy has NO responsibility to say one thing about his club... Part of why everyone loves to play for him is he has their back.. That is WHAT A COACH IS SUPPOSED TO DO!!! Does he have some shortcomings as a coach... of course.. ALL DO.... but to ##### and moan about press conferences... WTF???? It doesn't matter what he does, some of you will complain as that's just what you want to do.... Hell most of you would probably ##### and moan if we won the Super Bowl next year... He sucks... we should have won more than one, etc..... Please go find another team to ##### and complain about.... SOrry for the rant, but I can't even stand to read half of this stuff anymore.... GO Birds!

 

[Insein]

I honestly think there are a handful of true Eagles fans here..... You can ##### or moan all you want... This is what we got for now, so you support and root for your team..... If the Eagles right this thing next year and start playing some good football and somehow could win a Super Bowl I don't want to hear one thing from any of the nay sayers in this thread.... I still am shocked that so many of you really have no clue about dealing with the press.... Andy has NO responsibility to say one thing about his club... Part of why everyone loves to play for him is he has their back.. That is WHAT A COACH IS SUPPOSED TO DO!!! Does he have some shortcomings as a coach... of course.. ALL DO.... but to ##### and moan about press conferences... WTF???? It doesn't matter what he does, some of you will complain as that's just what you want to do.... Hell most of you would probably ##### and moan if we won the Super Bowl next year... He sucks... we should have won more than one, etc..... Please go find another team to ##### and complain about.... SOrry for the rant, but I can't even stand to read half of this stuff anymore.... GO Birds!

Then don't read it. I'm beyond sick and tired of the rah rah crowd lumping everyone with a criticism as a naysayer that isn't worthy of being a fan. Its the ####### definition of a fan. We have passion for our team. Because we want to see them value the LB position or we think maybe running your all-pro RB more than 10 times a game, or getting a QB that doesn't turn the ball over 3 times a game is too much to ask, we're not worthy of being fans. How dare we criticize the king. We must bow down to them. There are exactly 2 people in this thread that have blind hatred of Andy and nothing short of a firing will do for them. For everyone else, we want change because we've seen this story and how it ends. We know what we're stuck with for this year and we're not rooting for the team to fail. We're realists. We're not expecting a miracle either which some of you think will happen.

 

[vinwinephans]

I think most of us are realists. That’s a good thing.

The question is whether you chose to be a pessimist or optimist. I think what we are seeing in this thread are the optimists are getting tired of the constant drone of the pessimists. Perhaps they are trying too hard to turn that frown upside-down…

There are some in here that are too over the top, whether they are sporting pitchforks or pom-poms. Those people are few. But I think this entire fan base could use a big hug.

I get the disappointment in years past. We were close and it didn’t happen. We are trying to get back there, but it’s not an easy task. That’s being realist. I can wish for a superbowl or winning the lottery, but I’m a realist – they are unlikely to happen. I won’t stop playing the megamillions or powerball because I continue to lose. I won’t stop watching the Eagles or football because my team did not make it to the dance. But I continue to dream and understand I have zero impact on the outcome.

Andy Reid is here. The coaching staff is set. The systems are pretty much in place. It’s time to start looking at players. Who will be on this roster in 2012, because the rest of it is a 2011 do-over.

I prefer to look at things from a positive perspective. I want to root for the positive outcome. I want to believe we have a shot, because, honestly, I think we do - as do most teams when the season starts, no matter how much a long shot.

The press conference was neither ‘awesome’ nor ‘terrible’. The reactions are what confuse me.

I didn’t love his press conference or hate it… it was an end of season address where Andy admits he has to do better and 2011 was not good enough. We all knew that – we now know Andy knows that, although I don’t think that was ever in question. It was a formality; the closing of one season, the start of another.

The harping on Juan, I mean, it’s old. It’s done – been done, for a while now. It is what it is, can we please move past #####ing about it at every turn? I’d rather believe that maybe there is something there. That Andy isn’t so stupid to leave him there - to have put him there - that it couldn’t work.

Lot of things impacted how 2011 turned out. The lockout, Juan, DJax, Asante, many new players on defense along with many new coaches… in the end, it was tough to overcome ALL of that COMBINED.

But 2011 is done. It’s the past. It has no bearing on 2012. That’s brand new. Leave the frustrations of the past in the past. Live in the present and stop being so down – so negative. Unthinkable things can happen.

 

[jasvic]

So does anyone want to discuss the Eagles instead of this ridiculous civil war over a stupid press conference, or should we start a new thread for that?

 

[Jason Wood]

So does anyone want to discuss the Eagles instead of this ridiculous civil war over a stupid press conference, or should we start a new thread for that?

Nothing would please me more.As we said earlier in the thread, free agency looks very manageable in terms of keeping our own. I'm going to assume signing Evan Mathis is a major priority, and the big X factor is what we decide to do with DeSean. As usual we have plenty of draft picks, and would think that the linebacking position and offensive tackle would be priorities.

 

[vinwinephans]

Desean I am most curious about...

Assuming he moves on, how do we replace him? Seems like Vincent Jackson will end up staying in San Diego - he would have been my top choice - not sure the FO would have agreed...

 

[jasvic]

Does Jackson really need replacing? With the o-line starting to look like a strength, or at the least no longer a liability, I'd love to see them use both tight ends more. Pats have shown it can work, and it is a copy cat league. We know what we have in Celek, and Harbor has looked good so far as a receiver. Would it be crazy to roll with Maclin, Cooper, Avant and a draft pick, but lean more on the TEs and Shady as receivers? I'd rather they use the money to resign McCoy and shore up the LBs.

 

[renesauz]

Does Jackson really need replacing? With the o-line starting to look like a strength, or at the least no longer a liability, I'd love to see them use both tight ends more. Pats have shown it can work, and it is a copy cat league. We know what we have in Celek, and Harbor has looked good so far as a receiver. Would it be crazy to roll with Maclin, Cooper, Avant and a draft pick, but lean more on the TEs and Shady as receivers? I'd rather they use the money to resign McCoy and shore up the LBs.

Agreed, but I do think we'd have to find another decent wideout...although not necessarily a 1st round type.

 

[jasvic]

Does Jackson really need replacing? With the o-line starting to look like a strength, or at the least no longer a liability, I'd love to see them use both tight ends more. Pats have shown it can work, and it is a copy cat league. We know what we have in Celek, and Harbor has looked good so far as a receiver. Would it be crazy to roll with Maclin, Cooper, Avant and a draft pick, but lean more on the TEs and Shady as receivers? I'd rather they use the money to resign McCoy and shore up the LBs.

Agreed, but I do think we'd have to find another decent wideout...although not necessarily a 1st round type.

Yeah, when I say doesn't need replacing I mean getting someone else of that caliber. But a draft pick who can return kicks and be a serviceable receiver would be perfect.

 

[Jason Wood]

I really don't think DJax is irreplaceable, mainly because we haven't seen DJax be the guy we thought he was for awhile. If I thought a big payday would have him recapture his dynamism and willingness to take a hit, I would push to pay the man. But at this point I don't see why a big payday will get him to play hard again.

 

[scratcher]

It's funny the point we've come to. A few years ago, we would have traded the farm for a good WR. Now, we are saying we could let one go and go with what we've got. Crazy how this league works.

Anyway, offseason priorities in my mind:

1. Get a MLB (either thru draft or FA, and here's a great article about what kind of a MIKE you need in a wide 9 so we're not clamoring for every LB that is free --http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2012/2/3/2769523/understanding-the-wide-9-mike).

2. Re-sign Mathis. He was one half of the best left side of an OL in the NFL.

3. Stabilize the DL. Make sure Jenkins is returning, Dixon is healthy, and re-sign Landri (he certainly earned it). Otherwise draft a DL.

4. Trade Asante. Put two press corners (DRC and Aso) on the outside and scheme towards that.

5. New contract for McCoy.

6. Re-sign DJ. This is complex. DJ is a one of a kind talent. This last year, he was playing timid. Is it because he didnt have the security of a long term contract or is it because he had one concussion to many? Hard to say. Ideally, give the man some money and an incentive laden contract. The impact of DJ goes beyond his catches. Just ask any of the safeties playing 20 yards off because he's on the field. If not resigning DJ, consider Joe Adams in the 3rd round.

 

[scratcher]

Joe Adams FYI:

 

[Awful Waffle]

I've spent the entire season going back and forth on whether or not we should keep DeSean Jackson. On one hand, he held out at the start of an already shortened off-season because he wasn't getting paid. Then, with a whole season to prove he's worth the money he thinks he deserves, he has arguably his worst season in the NFL. His effort is so bad at times he's benched. He drops passes. He stops running routes. He skips team meetings and doesn't play.

On the other hand, he's an explosive player with speed nearly unmatched in the NFL. He's always a deep threat which opens up the field for guys like Jeremy Maclin, Brent Celek, and Jason Avant. And he finished off an amazing comeback in the Giants' own house with THE punt return. I feel like all the work from his first three seasons warranted a pay day, especially after watching guys like Michael Vick get 100 million dollar deals while he's stuck making a little over $500k. He didn't handle the situation well, but in the end, I think DeSean's too important to this team and cannot be replaced. My only concern is if he's really afraid to go over the middle of the field and take a hit. I know he got pretty shaken up two years ago after the hit by Dunta Robinson, but that's the nature of the beast. Sometimes you take a tough hit (whether legal or not). I wouldn't mind the Eagles getting a bigger target, but maybe it's time to work on Riley Cooper. He's their biggest WR at 6'3" and he's only going to be in his 3rd season. I say keep DeSean. Maclin's your #2, Avant in the slot, as mentioned, use the TE's more. I honestly never thought much of Celek, but once he started to become a target, he showed what he's capable of.

Maybe add some O-Line depth and obviously get Shady more touches, especially with screen passes.

Also, Michael Vick - I don't care if it's the only thing you do this off-season - learn how to slide.

But I think the biggest concern is defense. Get some linebackers who can tackle. Which to mean, means Luke Kuechly if they don't get Lofton or Tulloch in FA. Add another OLB to play opposite Brian Rolle. Sit Juan Castillo down and very carefully explain to him that Nnamdi is a bump and run corner. That's what he does best. Solidify the D-Line. Hopefully Brandon Graham remains healthy and doesn't end up being the bust everyone thinks he already is. I really think this team will be better with a full off-season to gel as a team. Despite competition not being elite, they still played well in the last 4 games of the year, which in the NFL, counts for something. No matter what anyone says.

I said this year that I'd never been a fan of a bad team before, but this year I was. And at the time, I truly meant it. I hope I never have to say that again.

 

[loose circuits]

4. Trade Asante. Put two press corners (DRC and Aso) on the outside and scheme towards that.

6. Re-sign DJ. This is complex. DJ is a one of a kind talent. This last year, he was playing timid. Is it because he didnt have the security of a long term contract or is it because he had one concussion to many? Hard to say. Ideally, give the man some money and an incentive laden contract. The impact of DJ goes beyond his catches. Just ask any of the safeties playing 20 yards off because he's on the field. If not resigning DJ, consider Joe Adams in the 3rd round.

I just don't agree with either of these.Asante is so good at what he does... There is no reason to move him unless you get an offer you just can't refuse. He graded out as ProFootball Focus' 12th best CB in the league. In this league, you need multiple CB's to fend off the Saints, Packers, and Giants. Against the 49ers & Cowboys you have Nnamdi play the TE's (maybe Saints & Packers as well). I'd even probably have him kick inside to the slot against the other teams. Basically 3 CB's start in today's defense, so we should keep the 3 good ones we have. While it may or may not be what Roseman is thinking, I hope he holds out for the best possible deal.

Desean Jackson hasn't been the same since Dunta Robinson dismantled his melon.

he just doesn't play with that moxy and toughness anymore. We need to find someone else that does. If we have to go with Riley Cooper starting this year while a rookie figures things out I would be ok with that. So many decent WR's in this years draft, there will be some steals in the mid-rounds. I could see one of 2 guys they brought in playing the WR5 role and returning punts in Gilyard or Ronald Johnson.

 

[NajehHejan]

I've had to watch the Giants win four super bowls while birds win none. Ptts. What does that organization have/do that we don't?

 

[Snotbubbles]

How about for 2012 we divide this into two separate threads.

[*]One for people who actually root for the team and want to see them succeed

[*]Another for those who want to see them crash and burn because they have some inherent wish to be tortured and martyred

Jason Wood, the stepford fan.

 

[scratcher]

Ugh, this feeling sucks.

 

[Jason Wood]

Rough day to be an Eagles fan (or a Dallas or Washington fan, I'm sure).

Giants this close to missing the playoffs, dead last in rushing, and then they peak at the right time and win another Bowl as an underdog in the 4th quarter.

 

[netnalp]

I've had to watch the Giants win four super bowls while birds win none. Ptts. What does that organization have/do that we don't?

My first guess would be discipline. Coughlin heavily enforces his rules. The reports that he lightened up prior to the 2007 season are true but he still has some really picky rules that drive players crazy, like being 5min early for meetings, you can only wear white socks to practice and black socks only for traveling, coaches can't wear sunglasses during training camp. He's gotten rid of some things like when the team took the field they used to run out in a grid pattern and along the lines on the field, like a marching band would. Crazy that he'd use valuable practice time on that synchronized march.

The changes that turned things around a bit was Coughlin wasn't too proud to ask advice from trusted players and personnel. They told him to connect with his players and not be so cold towards them.

Kurt Warner:

Coughlin asked him for a favor: “Go home and make a list of all the things you think I need to do better as a coach,” Warner recalled Coughlin saying, “and don’t hold back.” “In the list, I told him that rather than just make rules and enforce them, he had to show the players why a certain rule is important to him,” Warner said. “Look, if you tell me that I have to be at a meeting five minutes early, Kurt Warner is going to be there, because that’s the way I was as a player. I did it for my pride. I didn’t ask any questions.

“But some players aren’t like that. They want to know why. So, Tom had to tell them why: ‘Because if you come to meetings early, it means you’re fully committed to this team. It means you want to be better. It means you want to be great. It means you’re willing to get here early for your teammates.’ ”

Warner added: “If he had just told them that from the start, there wouldn’t have been a problem with 99 percent of the players in that locker room. Some would have still thought the rules were silly, but they would have said, ‘Okay, he wants us five minutes early because it’s important to him. No big deal.’ ”

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/02/giants_tom_coughlin_used_kurt.html

Former FB Charles Way works in the front office and he gave Coughlin similar advice back then.

Coughlin still rubs players wrong, like Rolle made comments in camp that Rex Ryan is the type of coach that players want to play for. Rolle also was pointing fingers, during the season, at teammates in the secondary that blew coverages. Coughlin, Perry Fewell and Deon Grant had talks with Rolle and the defense started their turn around. Also winning fixes everything and getting a ring, I think Rolle will be very supportive of Coughlin now.

 

[JetMaxx]

I don't agree with Wood's rah rah, you're not a fan if you are realistic schtick but I do agree it's remarkable how close teams totter from obscurity to championships, which in turn provides hope for long suffering Eagles fans. Packers last year, Giants this year. Of course a team has to be capable of jumping on the opportunities presented which is my(and many others) point of contention regarding how this current team is assembled from top to bottom. I know I've said it a few times already but I don't think they have the intangibles necessary to do what has been done by the recent Super Bowl winners.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I really don't think DJax is irreplaceable, mainly because we haven't seen DJax be the guy we thought he was for awhile. If I thought a big payday would have him recapture his dynamism and willingness to take a hit, I would push to pay the man. But at this point I don't see why a big payday will get him to play hard again.

From what I'm told, unless he takes a DEEP home town discount, he's done. They have lots of worries about stuff other than his attitude. I can't say more than that. I put it at less than a 5% chance he's back.

 

[Jason Wood]

I really don't think DJax is irreplaceable, mainly because we haven't seen DJax be the guy we thought he was for awhile. If I thought a big payday would have him recapture his dynamism and willingness to take a hit, I would push to pay the man. But at this point I don't see why a big payday will get him to play hard again.

From what I'm told, unless he takes a DEEP home town discount, he's done. They have lots of worries about stuff other than his attitude. I can't say more than that. I put it at less than a 5% chance he's back.

Thanks DH. Suffice to say you're going to stick around the PHI threads and not be showing up in the IND threads?

 

[CentralPA]

I've had to watch the Giants win four super bowls while birds win none. Ptts. What does that organization have/do that we don't?

A good coach, an elite QB, a good defense, and some luck. Pretty much the same formula for every Super Bowl champ.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I really don't think DJax is irreplaceable, mainly because we haven't seen DJax be the guy we thought he was for awhile. If I thought a big payday would have him recapture his dynamism and willingness to take a hit, I would push to pay the man. But at this point I don't see why a big payday will get him to play hard again.

From what I'm told, unless he takes a DEEP home town discount, he's done. They have lots of worries about stuff other than his attitude. I can't say more than that. I put it at less than a 5% chance he's back.

Thanks DH. Suffice to say you're going to stick around the PHI threads and not be showing up in the IND threads?

For now. It seems like everything is good for him in Philly and he prefers to stay there unless he either: A)loses his job (not looking like it) or B) Indy throws a big raise at him after the draft period is over (won't happen). He's committed to staying at least that long. Add the fact that he and his wife love the house they recently bought and it's looking like he isn't going anywhere. Back to D-Jax though. The funny thing is that they were all set to sign him to a nice contract until he flaked out and starting demanding Larry Fitz money. After hearing things from their training staff they're happy he didn't accept the contract on the table. He also thinks that, if teams courting him do their due dilligence, he'll find it hard to get any kind of contract more than three years and even that'll be pushing it.

 

[Insein]

I've had to watch the Giants win four super bowls while birds win none. Ptts. What does that organization have/do that we don't?

A good coach, an elite QB, a good defense, and some luck. Pretty much the same formula for every Super Bowl champ.

I don't think you need an elite QB if you have the others. Just a good one. Preferably top 10 but top half would suffice.

 

[SouthJersey]

For now. It seems like everything is good for him in Philly and he prefers to stay there unless he either: A)loses his job (not looking like it) or B) Indy throws a big raise at him after the draft period is over (won't happen). He's committed to staying at least that long. Add the fact that he and his wife love the house they recently bought and it's looking like he isn't going anywhere.

Back to D-Jax though. The funny thing is that they were all set to sign him to a nice contract until he flaked out and starting demanding Larry Fitz money. After hearing things from their training staff they're happy he didn't accept the contract on the table. He also thinks that, if teams courting him do their due dilligence, he'll find it hard to get any kind of contract more than three years and even that'll be pushing it.

Awesome!Any other interesting info on other players? Any draft news yet?

 

[Insein]

For now. It seems like everything is good for him in Philly and he prefers to stay there unless he either: A)loses his job (not looking like it) or B) Indy throws a big raise at him after the draft period is over (won't happen). He's committed to staying at least that long. Add the fact that he and his wife love the house they recently bought and it's looking like he isn't going anywhere.

Back to D-Jax though. The funny thing is that they were all set to sign him to a nice contract until he flaked out and starting demanding Larry Fitz money. After hearing things from their training staff they're happy he didn't accept the contract on the table. He also thinks that, if teams courting him do their due dilligence, he'll find it hard to get any kind of contract more than three years and even that'll be pushing it.

Awesome!Any other interesting info on other players? Any draft news yet?

While I don't think its "awesome," he can be replaced. Not easily but they can draft a burner at WR. My jersey curse continues. Every Philly or Eagle I've bought the jersey for is gone within 2 years. Need to start buying players I don't like.

 

[SouthJersey]

For now. It seems like everything is good for him in Philly and he prefers to stay there unless he either: A)loses his job (not looking like it) or B) Indy throws a big raise at him after the draft period is over (won't happen). He's committed to staying at least that long. Add the fact that he and his wife love the house they recently bought and it's looking like he isn't going anywhere.

Back to D-Jax though. The funny thing is that they were all set to sign him to a nice contract until he flaked out and starting demanding Larry Fitz money. After hearing things from their training staff they're happy he didn't accept the contract on the table. He also thinks that, if teams courting him do their due dilligence, he'll find it hard to get any kind of contract more than three years and even that'll be pushing it.

Awesome!Any other interesting info on other players? Any draft news yet?

While I don't think its "awesome," he can be replaced. Not easily but they can draft a burner at WR. My jersey curse continues. Every Philly or Eagle I've bought the jersey for is gone within 2 years. Need to start buying players I don't like.

I meant Awesome that DH's buddy is staying with the eagles (for now), and we still have DH in this thread and the inside info he brings.

 

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For now. It seems like everything is good for him in Philly and he prefers to stay there unless he either: A)loses his job (not looking like it) or B) Indy throws a big raise at him after the draft period is over (won't happen). He's committed to staying at least that long. Add the fact that he and his wife love the house they recently bought and it's looking like he isn't going anywhere.

Back to D-Jax though. The funny thing is that they were all set to sign him to a nice contract until he flaked out and starting demanding Larry Fitz money. After hearing things from their training staff they're happy he didn't accept the contract on the table. He also thinks that, if teams courting him do their due dilligence, he'll find it hard to get any kind of contract more than three years and even that'll be pushing it.

Awesome!Any other interesting info on other players? Any draft news yet?

While I don't think its "awesome," he can be replaced. Not easily but they can draft a burner at WR. My jersey curse continues. Every Philly or Eagle I've bought the jersey for is gone within 2 years. Need to start buying players I don't like.

I meant Awesome that DH's buddy is staying with the eagles (for now), and we still have DH in this thread and the inside info he brings.

Ah yes. That is awesome.

 

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I really don't think DJax is irreplaceable, mainly because we haven't seen DJax be the guy we thought he was for awhile. If I thought a big payday would have him recapture his dynamism and willingness to take a hit, I would push to pay the man. But at this point I don't see why a big payday will get him to play hard again.

From what I'm told, unless he takes a DEEP home town discount, he's done. They have lots of worries about stuff other than his attitude. I can't say more than that. I put it at less than a 5% chance he's back.

This is good news. I would rather see them get a guy like Bowe who has some size.

 

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I believe you being a fraud is obvious (IMO).

However you have yet to answer the question. What do you want him to say to the fans that would benefit the team in any way??

Exactly. How was that presser supposed to go?

*** "I can't believe Lurie hasn't fired me yet, WHAT A JOKE!"

*** "Of course I don't give you guys much each week, you're idiots."

*** "Where have I been this last month? Hiding out in the islands, balllllllllllin!"

*** "I begged Spags to come back, but he told me I'm a lame duck...so I'm pretending to be happy with Juan"

*** "I can't believe we paid Vick all that money, blame Roseman for that one"

*** "Yes, we intentionally try to sign linebackers that will miss assignments just to see the fans get irate"

*** "I have absolutely on interest in winning the Super Bowl, I'm must collecting a paycheck"

*** "I'm a total fraud, those fistful of division titles and Championship game appearances were all luck...a chimp could do my job"

I have no problems with his press conference. But to cite the Eagles numbers and rankings for the last 7 years and conclude they've been successful is a stretch. Division wins are nice if you're the Lions or Dolphins. Year 13 of a coach's tenure should have a higher level of expectations. Thirteen years in, we need post-season success not regular season success. Win in the post-season or step aside. And honestly, his regular season record since '04 is not impressive. Averaging less than 9 wins per season. A sharp decline from his first 6 years - those are the years he made his reputation.ETA: Please don't lump me in with the WIP crowd. I haven't listened to that station in years. I think for myself.

Say Andy resigned/stepped down 7 years ago.All other things being the same, would it be fair to say you would be happier with the last 7 years if someone other than Andy was the coach? So since the coach has been the same for 13 years, the last 7 years are somehow less of an accomplishment?

If Andy had won the superbowl 8 years ago, would the last 7 years, as they have played out, somehow be better?

Would year 13 of the coach's tenure have any less of an expectation on it because he won a superbowl in year 6?

I'd say the level of expectation on Andy Reid has been the same since the first NFC Championship Game... the only level that is changing is the level of frustration and bitterness.

I've asked the same question when I hear Andy's 'untouchable'. If it were another coach over the last 7 years, would that resume say he's an elite coach? So to answer your question, I'd be just as unhappy. how many other coaches actually get 7 years to win, let alone 14? Not many. Five of the last 7 years have resulted in zero playoff wins. The one year they were successful ('08) it took a double-back-door miracle to even make the post-season.And this reasoning about who else could the Eagles hire that would be more successful, well I understand championship coaches are hard to find. That doesn't mean you stop looking. Most of the Super Bowl's during Andy's tenure have been won by coaches hired after him. So yes, Super Bowl winning coaches can be found.

And I'm sorry, but hiring your unqualified O-line coach to be your DC for a championship caliber team is just weird. And it cost them big time in 2011.

I still have a problem with the idea that this last idea is a fact. A new coordinator with 5 or 6 new starters and virtually no off-season is enough to make any Defense struggle.Too many in here are tending to lump folks into one extreme (blind rah-rah) or the other (won't be happy with anything but Andy's firing right now). By right now...I mean TODAY.

I know Jason isn't a blind rah rah guy, nor am I. But we've accepted the fact that Andy WILL BE BACK, and we're moving past that to see the positives and not dwell on the negatives that aren't changing. I think hiring Juan was a screw-up, but IT IS NOT PROVEN that he's a failure, at least not at this point...so why harp on it? There really are good reasons to hope for this team, and if you have no hope...then why bother even watching? If you have no hope...go away instead of dragging down those with it.

Im a fire Andy guy, but today, next season, Im a give Castillo one more year. Next season is make or break for just about the entire coaching staff and offense. Will be quite a house cleaning.