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*** 2012 Official Philadelphia Eagles Post Mortem Thread *** (2 Viewers)

'Insein said:
'Bigboy10182000 said:
'Insein said:
'Skeletore Eh said:
A league source tells CSN Philadelphia that the Eagles could trade Asante Samuel to the Titans "some time in the next few days."Per Gunn, the price tag would be a third-round pick. Titan Insider's Terry McCormick reported earlier Wednesday that the Titans had "at least some interest" in uniting Samuel with Alterraun Verner and Jason McCourty, and the 31-year-old playmaker could almost certainly be Tennessee's at the third-round cost. The Titans have been aggressive since whiffing on Peyton Manning, signing Kam Wimbley and now setting their sights on a top NFL cornerback.
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3rd sounds about right. I'd do it.
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I just don't see the point in doing it....he makes us better now and we have the cap space.
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If he doesn't want to be here, why have that poison in the locker room. We saw what it did last year with both him and desean. Asante is not someone that is irreplaceable. Get what you can and move on.
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I agree if he becomes a locker room poison. I just figured he was making great money for this season and is still better then DRC (so he'd still start) so what would his gripe be?
 
'eaglesfan7 said:
The eagles will never learn. Why trade a playmaker, whether we're stacked at the position or not, for a draft pick. We need playmakers, especially on defense, if we are truly going for it all this year. The Eagles can't draft. Every year the analysts say the eagles do so well with getting value for their players but does it really matter? We draft the wrong players every year. They obviously can't spot talent. So frustrating...
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Right. Why trade one very good player for 7 'meh' players?
 
'unckeyherb said:
'eaglesfan7 said:
The eagles will never learn. Why trade a playmaker, whether we're stacked at the position or not, for a draft pick. We need playmakers, especially on defense, if we are truly going for it all this year. The Eagles can't draft. Every year the analysts say the eagles do so well with getting value for their players but does it really matter? We draft the wrong players every year. They obviously can't spot talent. So frustrating...
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Right. Why trade one very good player for 7 'meh' players?
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How could we replace the 3 INTs the guy had last year? Not to mention Samuel may be one of the best tacklers the NFL has ever seen. When you factor in the INTS and tackling to he great cover skills.....seriously, Samuel is a one trick pony. He's a guy who plays zone and takes gambles for INT. For every INT the guy has he gets burned deep twice, misses 4 tackles and has 8 hamstring injuries.
 
'Snotbubbles said:
'unckeyherb said:
'eaglesfan7 said:
The eagles will never learn. Why trade a playmaker, whether we're stacked at the position or not, for a draft pick. We need playmakers, especially on defense, if we are truly going for it all this year. The Eagles can't draft. Every year the analysts say the eagles do so well with getting value for their players but does it really matter? We draft the wrong players every year. They obviously can't spot talent. So frustrating...
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Right. Why trade one very good player for 7 'meh' players?
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How could we replace the 3 INTs the guy had last year? Not to mention Samuel may be one of the best tacklers the NFL has ever seen. When you factor in the INTS and tackling to he great cover skills.....seriously, Samuel is a one trick pony. He's a guy who plays zone and takes gambles for INT. For every INT the guy has he gets burned deep twice, misses 4 tackles and has 8 hamstring injuries.
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One bad season and now he's THIS bad? Come on now...you're going over board...by a lot.
 
'Bigboy10182000 said:
'Snotbubbles said:
'unckeyherb said:
'eaglesfan7 said:
The eagles will never learn. Why trade a playmaker, whether we're stacked at the position or not, for a draft pick. We need playmakers, especially on defense, if we are truly going for it all this year. The Eagles can't draft. Every year the analysts say the eagles do so well with getting value for their players but does it really matter? We draft the wrong players every year. They obviously can't spot talent. So frustrating...
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Right. Why trade one very good player for 7 'meh' players?
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How could we replace the 3 INTs the guy had last year? Not to mention Samuel may be one of the best tacklers the NFL has ever seen. When you factor in the INTS and tackling to he great cover skills.....seriously, Samuel is a one trick pony. He's a guy who plays zone and takes gambles for INT. For every INT the guy has he gets burned deep twice, misses 4 tackles and has 8 hamstring injuries.
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One bad season and now he's THIS bad? Come on now...you're going over board...by a lot.
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Ok? :rolleyes:
 
'eaglesfan7 said:
The poison in the locker room theory doesn't hold water since they just resigned desean.
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So Asante was just a happy camper then last year? No griping out of him all season right?
 
I would be thrilled about getting a 3rd round pick for a 31 yr old CB when we have Nnamdi and DRC as the starters. Last year: Bad year or the start of the inevitable slide?

 
What good is a 3rd round pick for the eagles? Or even a 1st round pick? If the logic is get something for him before you can't then fine. I can see using that logic but rather hold him in case of injury. If I recall we had many injuries on defense last year.

 
'eaglesfan7 said:
'Bigboy10182000 said:
And am I alone in thinking DRC stinks?
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No, you are not alone. I wouldn't say stinks because eagles defensive scheme makes players look bad. Just look at nmandi. He went from stud to average talent? I don't think so. Eagles just don't know how to coach or scheme defense.
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Arizona wanted no part of him and he did nothing in Philly last year. I'd say until proven otherwise, yea, he stinks.
 
I could see a trade down and snag a CB in the later 1st rd. Probably very wishful thinking but best case is that Tannehill slides and the Eagles can get someone to get agressive in a trade up.

 
'MAC_32 said:
'eaglesfan7 said:
'Bigboy10182000 said:
And am I alone in thinking DRC stinks?
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No, you are not alone. I wouldn't say stinks because eagles defensive scheme makes players look bad. Just look at nmandi. He went from stud to average talent? I don't think so. Eagles just don't know how to coach or scheme defense.
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Arizona wanted no part of him and he did nothing in Philly last year. I'd say until proven otherwise, yea, he stinks.
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So I guess nmandi stinks too since he didn't do anything last year.
 
'eaglesfan7 said:
'MAC_32 said:
'eaglesfan7 said:
'Bigboy10182000 said:
And am I alone in thinking DRC stinks?
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No, you are not alone. I wouldn't say stinks because eagles defensive scheme makes players look bad. Just look at nmandi. He went from stud to average talent? I don't think so. Eagles just don't know how to coach or scheme defense.
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Arizona wanted no part of him and he did nothing in Philly last year. I'd say until proven otherwise, yea, he stinks.
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So I guess nmandi stinks too since he didn't do anything last year.
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
'MAC_32 said:
'eaglesfan7 said:
'MAC_32 said:
'eaglesfan7 said:
'Bigboy10182000 said:
And am I alone in thinking DRC stinks?
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No, you are not alone. I wouldn't say stinks because eagles defensive scheme makes players look bad. Just look at nmandi. He went from stud to average talent? I don't think so. Eagles just don't know how to coach or scheme defense.
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Arizona wanted no part of him and he did nothing in Philly last year. I'd say until proven otherwise, yea, he stinks.
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So I guess nmandi stinks too since he didn't do anything last year.
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
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He lost me there too...
 
'eaglesfan7 said:
Desean will be good for a couple long tds and about 900 yards but Maclin will eclipse 1200 yards and 10 tds
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See I think Desean bounces back in a big way because of everyone disrespecting him. He's the type of guy that talk like he's heard for the past year will motivate him. I say he has a career year.
 
'Shane Falco said:
Rotoworld and NFL radio announcing the Eagles are interested in Y. Bell at SS
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http://insidetheiggles.com/2012/03/19/dolphins-release-s-yeremiah-bell-eagles-interested/
The Eagles missed out on safety LaRon Landry earlier today, but a very interesting name just hit the market moments ago.

According to multiple reports, the Dolphins have released starting strong safety Yeremiah Bell.

Bell, an eight-year veteran out of Eastern Kentucky, has long been a fixture in Miami’s secondary.

The 34-year-old has played in each of the Dolphins’ 48 games over the past four seasons and finished second on the team in 2011 with 107 total tackles.

And Bell, who made the Pro Bowl in 2009, has connections with new Eagles secondary coach Todd Bowles–thanks to Jeff Warner (@Jeff1470TheFox) of Sports Radio 1470 AM for pointing this out. Bowles joined the Eagles staff earlier this offseason after spending the past four seasons as Miami’s secondary coach.

When Bowles was named interim head coach of the Dolphins in 2011, Bell spoke highly of his coach.

“He 360′d my game,” Bell said.

With the Eagles’ uncertainty at safety position, this is one name to definitely keep an eye on in the coming days.
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So he took him in a complete circle? Still, I'd take him over what we have.
 
'Snotbubbles said:
'unckeyherb said:
'eaglesfan7 said:
The eagles will never learn. Why trade a playmaker, whether we're stacked at the position or not, for a draft pick. We need playmakers, especially on defense, if we are truly going for it all this year. The Eagles can't draft. Every year the analysts say the eagles do so well with getting value for their players but does it really matter? We draft the wrong players every year. They obviously can't spot talent. So frustrating...
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Right. Why trade one very good player for 7 'meh' players?
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How could we replace the 3 INTs the guy had last year? Not to mention Samuel may be one of the best tacklers the NFL has ever seen. When you factor in the INTS and tackling to he great cover skills.....seriously, Samuel is a one trick pony. He's a guy who plays zone and takes gambles for INT. For every INT the guy has he gets burned deep twice, misses 4 tackles and has 8 hamstring injuries.
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Man what a difference a relatively bad season makes. Since joining the Birds four years ago, he has 23 interceptions, leading the league in '09 and second by one int to Ed Reed in '10. While I agree his tackling is painful to watch, frankly that's not why he was brought onto this team. His game changing plays and ball-hawking ability is why QBs are afraid to throw in his direction. The addition of Nnamdi (when used right) basically precludes the QB from throwing to the left side of the field, forcing him to throw at Asante. If you can get consistent safety help over to Samuel (for the times he attacks the ball and misses), allow Nnamdi to play man and get pressure at the line and just let Asante do his thing this could be one of the best CB tandems in the game-hands down. No reason to think Samuel couldn't have double digit Ints this coming season for the birds. DRC is not a plug in replacement for Samuel. Not even close.Regardless, we're not even talking about losing Samuel for some proven commodity that will make us stronger this season. We're talking about getting rid of him for whatever turd ends up being taken by the Eagles after they've traded back to the fourth from this proposed 3rd rounder. Lunacy.
 
'Bigboy10182000 said:
'Snotbubbles said:
'unckeyherb said:
'eaglesfan7 said:
The eagles will never learn. Why trade a playmaker, whether we're stacked at the position or not, for a draft pick. We need playmakers, especially on defense, if we are truly going for it all this year. The Eagles can't draft. Every year the analysts say the eagles do so well with getting value for their players but does it really matter? We draft the wrong players every year. They obviously can't spot talent. So frustrating...
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Right. Why trade one very good player for 7 'meh' players?
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How could we replace the 3 INTs the guy had last year? Not to mention Samuel may be one of the best tacklers the NFL has ever seen. When you factor in the INTS and tackling to he great cover skills.....seriously, Samuel is a one trick pony. He's a guy who plays zone and takes gambles for INT. For every INT the guy has he gets burned deep twice, misses 4 tackles and has 8 hamstring injuries.
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One bad season and now he's THIS bad? Come on now...you're going over board...by a lot.
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Obviously, he is exaggerating the one bad season. However, I do think the one bad season is more significant in that it was his only season in the new defense. Now, it could be that Castillo didn't use him right, the same way he didn't use Nnamdi right, but it could also be that Asante isn't as good a fit in this defense. I also hope that if Asante is traded, DRC plays better covering the outside, as some have speculated he struggled because he wasn't accustomed to covering the slot receiver. We can hope.
 
'unckeyherb said:
'Snotbubbles said:
'unckeyherb said:
'eaglesfan7 said:
The eagles will never learn. Why trade a playmaker, whether we're stacked at the position or not, for a draft pick. We need playmakers, especially on defense, if we are truly going for it all this year. The Eagles can't draft. Every year the analysts say the eagles do so well with getting value for their players but does it really matter? We draft the wrong players every year. They obviously can't spot talent. So frustrating...
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Right. Why trade one very good player for 7 'meh' players?
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How could we replace the 3 INTs the guy had last year? Not to mention Samuel may be one of the best tacklers the NFL has ever seen. When you factor in the INTS and tackling to he great cover skills.....seriously, Samuel is a one trick pony. He's a guy who plays zone and takes gambles for INT. For every INT the guy has he gets burned deep twice, misses 4 tackles and has 8 hamstring injuries.
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Man what a difference a relatively bad season makes. Since joining the Birds four years ago, he has 23 interceptions, leading the league in '09 and second by one int to Ed Reed in '10. While I agree his tackling is painful to watch, frankly that's not why he was brought onto this team. His game changing plays and ball-hawking ability is why QBs are afraid to throw in his direction. The addition of Nnamdi (when used right) basically precludes the QB from throwing to the left side of the field, forcing him to throw at Asante. If you can get consistent safety help over to Samuel (for the times he attacks the ball and misses), allow Nnamdi to play man and get pressure at the line and just let Asante do his thing this could be one of the best CB tandems in the game-hands down. No reason to think Samuel couldn't have double digit Ints this coming season for the birds. DRC is not a plug in replacement for Samuel. Not even close.Regardless, we're not even talking about losing Samuel for some proven commodity that will make us stronger this season. We're talking about getting rid of him for whatever turd ends up being taken by the Eagles after they've traded back to the fourth from this proposed 3rd rounder. Lunacy.
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Last year before Nnamdi signed Mike Lombardi broke down why Nnamdi would not be a good fit on the Eagles defense. The reason: Nnamdi is a press cover man to man guy. Asante is a zone cover guy. You can't play press on one side and zone on the otherside, they have these things called crossing patterns.
 
Maybe not going any where. Detroit and Titans are claiming they won't pay a 3rd for Asante (and will basically wait for him to be waived). Now I guess the front office will play chicken with them and hold onto him till the draft and see who blinks and gives the 3rd. Personally I don't see why either of those teams don't jump on giving a 3rd as badly as they need help at CB. And if I'm the Eagles I don't let him go for any less.

 
'dhockster said:
Obviously, he is exaggerating the one bad season. However, I do think the one bad season is more significant in that it was his only season in the new defense. Now, it could be that Castillo didn't use him right, the same way he didn't use Nnamdi right, but it could also be that Asante isn't as good a fit in this defense. I also hope that if Asante is traded, DRC plays better covering the outside, as some have speculated he struggled because he wasn't accustomed to covering the slot receiver. We can hope.
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We can hope but as far as I know Arizona didnt use DRC in the slot and he blew there too. I just chalked up Asante's bad year to having an OL coach now coaching D and no off-season for either of them to adjust. I'd like to think/ hope they can do better next year.
'Snotbubbles said:
Last year before Nnamdi signed Mike Lombardi broke down why Nnamdi would not be a good fit on the Eagles defense. The reason: Nnamdi is a press cover man to man guy. Asante is a zone cover guy. You can't play press on one side and zone on the otherside, they have these things called crossing patterns.
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Every team that runs a zone does not have great zone CB's...same for the teams that run mostly man.
 
I think this doesn't come down to how good Asante is. It comes down to is he worth $9.5 million this year/$11.5 million next year. True, they have cap space to keep him, but why do it when a) the coaches feel DRC can replace him, b) extending LeSean McCoy is a priority, and c) having extra cap room is NEVER a bad thing. Could be some valuable players available next offseason to think about.

 
'Awful Waffle said:
I think this doesn't come down to how good Asante is. It comes down to is he worth $9.5 million this year/$11.5 million next year. True, they have cap space to keep him, but why do it when a) the coaches feel DRC can replace him, b) extending LeSean McCoy is a priority, and c) having extra cap room is NEVER a bad thing. Could be some valuable players available next offseason to think about.
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I agree with your assesment if they do actually believe DRC is capable. I was speaking more about the money this year. They should be able to extend Shady this year, keep Asante, and sign their rookies with a good bit of cap space remaining. I wouldn't expect them to pay the 11.5 next season.It's just when I hear dealing him this season for a 3 it just doesnt make sense to me. Why weaken your team when you can afford not to?

 
'Bigboy10182000 said:
'Awful Waffle said:
I think this doesn't come down to how good Asante is. It comes down to is he worth $9.5 million this year/$11.5 million next year. True, they have cap space to keep him, but why do it when a) the coaches feel DRC can replace him, b) extending LeSean McCoy is a priority, and c) having extra cap room is NEVER a bad thing. Could be some valuable players available next offseason to think about.
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I agree with your assesment if they do actually believe DRC is capable. I was speaking more about the money this year. They should be able to extend Shady this year, keep Asante, and sign their rookies with a good bit of cap space remaining. I wouldn't expect them to pay the 11.5 next season.It's just when I hear dealing him this season for a 3 it just doesnt make sense to me. Why weaken your team when you can afford not to?
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I don't see it as weakening the team. Asante is not someone I see as vital to this team. He's a gambler. That's great when you have a solid safety over the top to back you up (even a guy like Mikell) but right now we don't. Having 3 CBs is a luxury. We don't need it. If we can maneuver some cap space, get rid of a disruptive force in the locker room, get a draft pick and position ourselves to resign McCoy and get a player or 2 at the cap casualty mark in the summer, then I think moving him now is worth it. One win last year was all we needed to make the playoffs. Disgruntled locker room was one of the key reasons I feel that we didn't reach our potential (aside from the more obvious OL coach as a DC). Asante out and Ryans in makes it a much better place.

 
'Bigboy10182000 said:
'Snotbubbles said:
'unckeyherb said:
'eaglesfan7 said:
The eagles will never learn. Why trade a playmaker, whether we're stacked at the position or not, for a draft pick. We need playmakers, especially on defense, if we are truly going for it all this year. The Eagles can't draft. Every year the analysts say the eagles do so well with getting value for their players but does it really matter? We draft the wrong players every year. They obviously can't spot talent. So frustrating...
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Right. Why trade one very good player for 7 'meh' players?
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How could we replace the 3 INTs the guy had last year? Not to mention Samuel may be one of the best tacklers the NFL has ever seen. When you factor in the INTS and tackling to he great cover skills.....seriously, Samuel is a one trick pony. He's a guy who plays zone and takes gambles for INT. For every INT the guy has he gets burned deep twice, misses 4 tackles and has 8 hamstring injuries.
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One bad season and now he's THIS bad? Come on now...you're going over board...by a lot.
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He's not effective in the scheme....
 
per Football Outsiders:

Samuel ranked first in both yards per pass and Success Rate in 2010, then third in both for 2011. Yes, this is the guy the Eagles are trying to trade because they want to be able to move Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie outside and play more man coverage. Samuel is still really good and would be a huge addition to any team that plays primarily zone coverage.
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Trading Samuel is risky. Really risky. Especially if we're going with DRC as a result. One thing no one talks about is that DRC was the worst rated CB in the league by PFF in 2010 starting for AZ, and wasn't much better for us last year. He's undisciplined.

I really think, no matter what we do with Samuel, we're drafting a CB in the 1st round.

 
Not a huge fan of this rumored move. I get it, but I don't like it. I would hope he'd bring better than a third also.

 
'scratcher said:
per Football Outsiders:

Samuel ranked first in both yards per pass and Success Rate in 2010, then third in both for 2011. Yes, this is the guy the Eagles are trying to trade because they want to be able to move Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie outside and play more man coverage. Samuel is still really good and would be a huge addition to any team that plays primarily zone coverage.
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Assuming I'm reading this right I now see zero point in making this move in any way. Unless you get a slam dunk CB in the draft thsi move wouldnt help us in any way this season.
 
'Jason Wood said:
Trading Samuel is risky. Really risky. Especially if we're going with DRC as a result. One thing no one talks about is that DRC was the worst rated CB in the league by PFF in 2010 starting for AZ, and wasn't much better for us last year. He's undisciplined.I really think, no matter what we do with Samuel, we're drafting a CB in the 1st round.
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As bat s*** crazy as all fans would see it I would not be surprised if Claiborne dropped around ten they would traded up to get him (don't think it would happen). Dre Kirkpatrick could be the target as well. Eagles always do the exact opposite everyone thinks they are going to do.
 
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Heard this morning on the radio that the Eagles may be looking at trading Samuel for a player. A name tossed out there (though I don't believe it) was Lance Briggs because he's unhappy with his contract in Chicago. Of course if he's unhappy there, he ain't going to be any happier here.

 
'Insein said:
Heard this morning on the radio that the Eagles may be looking at trading Samuel for a player. A name tossed out there (though I don't believe it) was Lance Briggs because he's unhappy with his contract in Chicago. Of course if he's unhappy there, he ain't going to be any happier here.
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I like Briggs but it seems like every other season the guy is complaining about his contract.
 
Not liking this rumor that Jason Peters has an Achilles injury that may require surgery.

EDIT - it's being confirmed now. Surgery on April 2nd. ####. The Eagles also signed Winston Justice to a one year deal.

 
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