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*** 2013 Oakland Raiders thread *** (3 Viewers)

Over under on season wins is 5.5. That's looking like easy money right now. OL looks worse than the Art Shell 2.0 year.

 
No debate that this was a step backwards. This was a perfect storm of events that contributed to the team's poor showing:

• Facing Rob Ryan's defense on the road in a noisy stadium with an OLine in flux

• Facing Bress with an injury riddled DLine that provided no pass rush

• Playing vanilla defensive schemes vs Payton's offense

Bright spots:

1. I think we will get decent QB play to allow us to be competitive. My only criticism with Flynn is that he tends to look for the dump off too quickly. This is in part a function of the Oline play, but he did miss a wide open receiver down the field on the first series. He threw a very nice pass on the TD to D. Moore.

2. Brice Butler looks like a nice FA signing.

Major Concerns:

1. Oline. Valdheer's injury is a punch to the gut for this team. Barron is in over his head and a major liability. The team has not shown the ability to run the ball in two games. The results have been similar to last year despite the change in scheme. If this is not solved it is going to have a domino effect by making the offense one dimensional, allowing teams to tee off on the QB.

2. Dline. Difficult to gauge this group because of the injuries, but the question that must be asked is can we even count on the guys penciled in to start if/when they return to the field?

3. Porter suffered a severe groing injury (per Rotoworld)

4. Ausberry may have suffered a significant injury making the TE depth even weaker (per Rotoworld)

Uugh!

 
holy #### that looked bad.

flynn looked TERRIBLE. seemingly every throw was behind the receiver. it was hard to judge the wr's as the passes were so bad. the td pass was decent. pryor looked the same to me. his ability to run for his life, makes him look better than he is.

both dline and oline looked god awful. injuries i know, but they will happen in the regular season too. crawford better make the team.

run game looked awful. see above

i hope king gets the punting job, he deserves it.

mother####er this is going to be a long season.

 
My biggest concern this year as a Raider fan is the health of Clowney. Saints game was a debacle. I was hoping we had something in Wilson at QB but that's not looking promising at all. Bolts looked bad & can't protect Rivers but we have no pass rush. I would definitely take under on wins.

 
There were a couple plays where the Raider o-lineman just got beat. Hate to see that. Most of the pain though came from failing to diagnose where the blitzer was coming from and picking him up. I don't know if that's on the QB or center or both, but they definitely need to work on their protections.

The worse display was the d-line. No pressure due to limited talent; and that can't be fixed in the film room.

 
Rotoworld:

Sporting News' Vinnie Iyer believes the Oakland Raiders should select Louisville junior QB Teddy Bridgewater over South Carolina DE Jadeveon Clowney if they end up with the No. 1 overall pick.
"If the Raiders, as a franchise with a proud winning past, want to be relevant in the league again soon, they need to embrace a passer-first mentality," Iyer writes. "When the Raiders are faced with the Clowney question in ‘14, Bridgewater is the right and only answer." We wouldn't say Clowney is locked into the top pick since anything can happen at this point, and we expect Bridgewater to be in that discussion as well.

Source: Sporting News
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This is preseason.

If you were excited about the regular season after preseason week one; you were overreacting.

If you were declaring the season over after preseason week two, you were overreacting.

Obviously, Veldheer is a huge loss. It's equally disappointing (maybe even greater given the trade) that Menelik Watson hasn't even been able to practice yet.

Nick Roach summed it up perfectly during his interview today on what to expect for the next preseason game. "Just sit tight, the regular season is coming."

DJ Hayden vs Brandon Marshall Friday night is the next chapter; if DJ can contribute immediately at a high level, that goes a long way towards righting this ship.

 
Garrett said:
If you were excited about the regular season after preseason week one; you were overreacting.

If you were declaring the season over after preseason week two, you were overreacting.
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Nothing wrong with getting excited with week one. We saw some semblance of professionalism and military like structure. That was good. Obviously, losing Veldheer is a game changer and it made a night and day difference going to week 2. I don't blame anyone for being optimistic after week one with a healthy Veldheer at LT.

As far as overreacting to week 2, take that game with a grain of salt. Drew Brees always has our number in the regular and preseason games. It's his annual quarterback clinic. Even with Veldheer, we'd still be chasing air while studs like Jimmy Graham, Darren Sproles, and even Lance Moore clown our secondary. We already knew that our d-line had no pass rush, so the results were going to be predictable. So Big V would not have made a difference. The Saints are just a better team on their worst day than we are on our best day. It's best to come clean and admit it.

Luckily for us, we don't face the Saints every week. There are a ton of other also ran teams out there struggling to get on the same page. I'm sure we haven't yet seen the best or the worst of this team. If we don't find better free agent O-linemen soon, the Saints blueprint of exotic blitz packages will be the book on Oakland, and opposing defenses will be relentless. If we don't find a pass rush soon, mediocre QB's will carve up our secondary.

Bring on the Bears!

 
I wish there was an update on Veldheer's expected return. I read somewhere that the team would know more after the surgery. Hopefully it is good news on that front. The LT position is now a train wreck and it would not surprise me to see the Raiders try to make a trade to bolster the position. Given Olsen's criticism of D. Moore he might be a candidate for trade bait.

TE is another area of big concern with Ausberry out indefinitely. Per Rotoworld: "Raiders OC Greg Olson says the team is trying to decide between Richard Gordon and Jeron Mastrud to be its starting tight end." Good grief.

Sims has returned to practice and Walker is expected back soon. Crawford flashed last week and maybe things are starting to click for him. So there is a glimmer of hope for the Dline.

 
:thumbup:

We may be on the cusp of football history.

A punter may be on his way to election into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

On Wednesday, it was announced that former Oakland punter Ray Guy is one of two senior committee nominees, along with Claude Humphrey. Usually, the two senior committee nominees are elected. The next election will be in February.

It would a watershed moment if Guy -- widely considered the best punter ever to live -- gets elected. There has never been a punter-only player elected into the Hall of Fame.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Guy gets some opposition in the voting process. There is a faction of voters who don’t believe punters should be in the hall of fame. Still, that fact that Guy made it this far is a good sign.

I have never gotten the argument that punters don’t belong in the Hall of Fame. Here’s my point: Try playing the game without punters. Thus, the greatest punter of all time deserves recognition.

Guy, Oakland’s first-round draft pick in 1973, recently expressed his angst over not being enshrined. Guy was a vital part of the 1970s hey-day Raiders. He was a supreme weapon. Guy, 62, averaged 42.4 yards per punt over his 14-year career.
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Some good news this year? Nah.......

BTW, I went to elementary school with Ray's niece. She told her uncle she was in class with a Raiders fan (we were both about 7 or 8 at the time), and he wrote me a letter, and sent me a signed helmet, out of the blue. Pretty dang cool.

 
Raider Nation said:
:thumbup:

We may be on the cusp of football history.A punter may be on his way to election into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

On Wednesday, it was announced that former Oakland punter Ray Guy is one of two senior committee nominees, along with Claude Humphrey. Usually, the two senior committee nominees are elected. The next election will be in February.

It would a watershed moment if Guy -- widely considered the best punter ever to live -- gets elected. There has never been a punter-only player elected into the Hall of Fame.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Guy gets some opposition in the voting process. There is a faction of voters who don’t believe punters should be in the hall of fame. Still, that fact that Guy made it this far is a good sign.

I have never gotten the argument that punters don’t belong in the Hall of Fame. Here’s my point: Try playing the game without punters. Thus, the greatest punter of all time deserves recognition.

Guy, Oakland’s first-round draft pick in 1973, recently expressed his angst over not being enshrined. Guy was a vital part of the 1970s hey-day Raiders. He was a supreme weapon. Guy, 62, averaged 42.4 yards per punt over his 14-year career.
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Still a travesty that Al Davis won't be there to hand him his bronze bust.

 
You can't make this stuff up:

Raiders' Terrelle Pryor takes JaMarcus Russell's No. 2

By Marc Sessler

Around the League Writer

The Oakland Raiders don't go out of their way to remind fans of the JaMarcus Russell era, but that was unavoidable on Wednesday.

Quarterback Terrelle Pryor waltzed onto the practice field wearing the same No. 2 jersey that Russell donned during his ghastly three-year stint with the team, according to CSN Bay Area.

"I had to do a double take," said passer Matt Flynn, who played with Russell at LSU. "Not only was it a new number, the jersey looked a little big on him."

Pryor, previously No. 6, wasn't intentionally trying to stir the pot with Raiders fans. He wore No. 2 at Ohio State and asked for the jersey as a rookie in 2011. Hue Jackson, Oakland's coach at the time, rapidly put the kibosh on the request.

"Coach won't let me wear No. 2. Why? I don't know," Pryor said at the time. "You tell me."

Tell him, Raiders fans. Tell him.

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I am very optimistic that the Raiders will turn the corner and that the salary cap purge of this offseason will pay future dividends and the new focus on drafting football talent over prospects with predominately elite speed in the 2014 and 2015 NFL drafts, but there is no getting around that this will be a tough year for us:

Lack of top-100 talent cripples Raiders

By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com

Today, the Raider Nation rejoices.

One of its beloved players is getting due respect. For the first time since our 100 top offensive and defensive players in the NFL project began Monday, there is an Oakland representative.

To commemorate his return to Oakland, venerable safety Charles Woodson checks in as the 66th-best defensive player in the league. Yes, Oakland gets the love its rabid fan base so hungers. Congratulations.

Don’t get used to it.

Hate to play the spoiler role, but Woodson is the first and only player to appear on either list. He is the only Oakland defensive player on the list, and there will not be any offensive players from Oakland on the top-100 list. Oft-injured running back Darren McFadden had some momentum, but he did not make the list.

One Oakland player in the top 200? Here’s a little perspective: The Raiders’ Bay Area rival, San Francisco, has three defensive players in the top 11. All four of Seattle’s defensive backs made the top 100.

Is this Raider hating? I’d doubt that’s the case. ESPN enlisted 63 voters, including former players and reporters (I was one of the voters). We graded more than 500 NFL players and the results were tabulated. I can assure you there was nothing sinister at work.

Woodson stands alone because a large group collectively thought he was the only Raider who was deserving.

It’s no shock Oakland doesn’t have much representation on this list. These have been hard times for the Pride and Poise. Oakland hasn’t had a winning record since 2002, and it is tied for the second-longest current playoff drought in the NFL.

Oakland is considered to have one of the weakest, thinnest rosters in the NFL heading into the 2013 season. General manager Reggie McKenzie, in his second season as the replacement to the late Al Davis, is basically starting over. It hasn’t been easy for McKenzie.

He inherited a terrible salary-cap situation and a dearth of draft picks because of poor decisions made in the Davis era. The result is a bare-bones team. And, yes, a roster not worthy of getting much top-100 recognition.

“It is as bad as it looks in Oakland,” ESPN analyst Matt Williamson said.

Gary Horton of Scouts Inc. agrees. He was not shocked to see Oakland nearly get snubbed.

“I liken them to a Triple-A baseball team right now,” Horton said. “They lost so many players to free agency because of the cap restrictions and all they have replaced them with are bargain-basement free agents. It’s going to be rough there.”

Still, both Williamson and Horton believe McKenzie’s plan of starting over is the right thing to do, because he has no choice.

While the recent past has been bleak and the immediate future doesn’t show much promise, McKenzie’s plan could help infuse some more talent on the roster. The Raiders may have a surplus of $69 million in salary-cap room next year.

That doesn’t necessarily mean McKenzie will spend wildly and build an instant Pro Bowl roster. His front-office roots are in Green Bay, and he has said he will subscribe to the Packer way as he reconstructs Oakland’s roster. That means keeping his own players first. McKenzie has shown that philosophy this summer by locking up potential free agents kicker Sebastian Janikowski and long-snapper Jon Condo to long-term deals. Other players, such as injured left tackle Jared Veldheer, defensive end Lamarr Houston and fullback Marcel Reece, could also be candidates to be re-signed before they hit free agency.

While the program is clearly in tough shape, it would be inaccurate to portray this roster as talentless. There are about 1,900 players in the league, and some of the good ones do don Silver and Black.

There is promise. In addition to the above-mentioned players, Oakland building blocks include center Stefen Wisniewski, young receivers Rod Streater and Denarius Moore, safety Tyvon Branch, cornerback D.J. Hayden, offensive tackle Menelik Watson and linebacker Sio Moore.

The cupboard is not bare. But the truth is there are few established stars currently playing in Oakland. McKenzie knows it is his job to develop them.

“When I first got to Green Bay, there wasn’t a bunch of studs there,” McKenzie said. “Then we got Brett Favre and then we got Reggie White. And things started to look a little better. Right now, we have to turn some of these guys into studs and keep building. That’s the only way this thing is going to work.”
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Well... our kicker is still great, anyway.

SeaBass just boomed a 58-yarder off of the dirt with PLENTY to spare, and it was a nice, easy stroke. Incredible leg.

 
If you made a team out of guys from next week's cuts (The Cutters) what would be the spread if they played the Raiders? (assuming they had some practice time together (the Cutters not the Raiders)) Pick'em?

 
Pryor and Clowney are gonna bring us back :D

2013 gonna be a loooooooooooong year though. Hopefully Pryor gets the nod sooner than later.

 
Given the state of the Oline it is painfully obvious the Pryor gives us the best chance to be competitive. Hopefully the staff will make this move soon.

I did like the way Hayden looked tonight, and the defense seem to get better pressure on the QB.

 
Flynn is not the long term answer. Pryor might be. The trend now is to use dual threat QBs and we have one. The O line is a mess and Pryor has the best chance of avoiding the onslaught of oncoming rushers. The team really has nothing invested in Flynn. The team is miserable and not going anywhere. Pryor has been sitting and learning for two years, lets see what he can do. Play Pryor.

 
Nothing in the stat box for Butler last night. Any reason? I was keeping an eye on him for dynasty. Local opinion appreciated.

 
Butler suffered a hamstring injury. Not sure how serious.

When asked about Pryor moving ahead of Flynn at the position Allen said, "I think that's something we've got to look at." At minimum it signals that the staff is receptive to Pryor as the starting QB.

Pryor is going to make some boned headed mistakes (He should have thrown a pick on his first pass attempt; he should have got rid of the ball on the reception to Streater), but nothing is more demoralizing than an ineffective offense. Pryor at least gives the team a spark and makes teh offense competitive.

 
this team looks bad. really bad. flynn was terrible. my 7 year old daughter might have a stronger arm than him. most passes were behind the receivers again. the first pick was a perfect example. i think pryor is an awful option, a black tebow, if you will, :scared: but at this point, i'd rather see him play than flynn. hell, let him ford and dmac run a full blown option. :towelwave: et: until week 4 when ford and dmac are placed on IR. ;)

the drops by the bears probably kept 14 points off the board.

it's depressing.

 
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Spoke with a Bears player after the game, and he said: "The Raiders have to go with Pryor. He at least gives them a chance."

 
Pryor did his damage against the 2's and 3's. A little bit unfair to say Pryor is the guy based on that game. Flynn was getting killed out there against the starters.

 
JAMES! said:
Pryor did his damage against the 2's and 3's. A little bit unfair to say Pryor is the guy based on that game. Flynn was getting killed out there against the starters.
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Not sure that entirely true. The Bears still had their starters in late in the second quarter when Pryor drove the Raiders for a FG. IIRC I saw a lot of starters playing into the 3rd quarter as well. Everyone recognizes Flynn was getting killed which is the point. Flynn is a game manager and just doesn't have the mobility to elude a rush or make plays on the run. Flynn may have been a nice stop gap if Valdheer was healthy, but LT is a major liability so we need a mobile QB.

Like I said before, Pryor is going to make a lot of mistakes but he also offers more hope that Flynn. I think Allen recognizes this given his statements and declaring the starting job an open competition again. My hope is that they start Pryor week 1 and coach him up. How he develops will inform the Raiders as to whether they should take Clowney or Bridewater.

 
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JAMES! said:
Pryor did his damage against the 2's and 3's. A little bit unfair to say Pryor is the guy based on that game. Flynn was getting killed out there against the starters.
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Not sure that entirely true. The Bears still had their starters in late in the second quarter when Pryor drove the Raiders for a FG. IIRC I saw a lot of starters playing into the 3rd quarter as well. Everyone recognizes Flynn was getting killed which is the point. Flynn is a game manager and just doesn't have the mobility to elude a rush or make plays on the run. Flynn may have been a nice stop gap if Valdheer was healthy, but LT is a major liability so we need a mobile QB.

Like I said before, Pryor is going to make a lot of mistakes but he also offers more hope that Flynn. I think Allen recognizes this given his statements and declaring the starting job an open competition again. My hope is that they start Pryor week 1 and coach him up. How he develops will inform the Raiders as to whether they should take Clowney or Bridewater.
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I guess it doesn't matter anyway. Pryor did have a 3 and out and then drove them down for a fg late in the 1st half. I thought Chi had pulled a bunch of guys by that point but I wasn't watching closely so maybe guys were coming in and out. In the 3rd Chicago had nowhere near the push up front they did early in the game. Maybe you're right and they need a guy who can run for his life behind that line but Pryor isn't going to be completing many jump passes like the one he threw last night.

 
DoubleG said:
The Bears had pulled Peppers by halftime - so the "no push up front" discussion is not really valid.
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Thanks for stopping by.

(This is the part where you pretend you aren't reading this post, followed by yet another public announcement that you have me on ignore.... :thumbup: )

 
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The Bears had pulled Peppers by halftime - so the "no push up front" discussion is not really valid.
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Except that Pryor came in the late second quarter, and quickly engineered a scoring drive During an interview with Peppers, he was watching Pryor's scoring run on tape and broke off the interview and while shaking his head.

 
DA RAIDERS said:
holy #### that looked bad.

flynn looked TERRIBLE. seemingly every throw was behind the receiver. it was hard to judge the wr's as the passes were so bad. the td pass was decent. pryor looked the same to me. his ability to run for his life, makes him look better than he is.

both dline and oline looked god awful. injuries i know, but they will happen in the regular season too. crawford better make the team.

run game looked awful. see above

i hope king gets the punting job, he deserves it.

mother####er this is going to be a long season.
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pretty much everything i said in this post 8 days ago still holds true. add in that the run D was ABSENT, aka, non existent.

good times

:banned:

 
massraider said:
Faust said:
Josh Cribbs, Oakland Raiders visit; New York Jets next
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Sign me up. Like the guy a lot.
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Didn't see this one coming:

Return specialist and special teams player Josh Cribbs was the most notable of the first 10 players cut by the Raiders Sunday.

Cribbs mishandled two kickoffs in a 36-24 loss to the Chicago Bears, muffing the first before picking it up, with the Raiders getting a break on the second when officials ruled him to be down before the ball was lost.

Returning from offseason knee surgery, Cribbs was never able to show the kind of burst that resulted in eight career returns for touchdowns. Presumably, it was affecting his ability to cover kicks as well, another reason he was added to the roster.

The decision was made easier when Jacoby Ford flashed some of his pre-injury form, racing 62 yards with a kickoff after Cribbs appeared to be running in mud on the first two.

As a vested veteran, Cribbs had his contract terminated and he is free to sign with any team.

Players who were waived by the Raiders were linebacker Keenan Clayton, linebacker Eric Harper, fullback Jon Hoese, wide receiver Sam McGuffie, guard Andrew Robiski, wide receiver Tray Session, defensive tackle Myles Wade and wide receiver Isiah Williams.

In addition, center/guard Alex Parsons thanked the Raiders for the “opportunity to play the game I love’’ on his Twitter account. Parsons, who did not play because of injury against Chicago, is likely working out an injury settlement with the team.

Assuming Parsons is no longer on the roster, the Raiders have four more cuts to make to get to the limit of 75 players. Rosters must be at 53 on Saturday, two days after Thursday’s preseason finale in Seattle.

– As the players opened their first team session Sunday, Terrelle Pryor was at quarterback and Menelik Watson at left tackle.

– Players who were working with the athletic training staff and not on the field were strong safety Tyvon Branch (ribs), wide receiver Brice Butler (hamstring) and wide receiver Rod Streater (concussion).

– Players who were suited up and on the field included cornerback Tracy Porter (groin) and free safety Usama Young (hamstring).
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