*** 2013 Oakland Raiders thread *** (1 Viewer)

[32 Counter Pass]

and in other news of the water is wet kind, can we move past the we need a franchise qb talk already?

Are you in a hurry to get somewhere? )

 

[massraider]

I would love to see Johnny Football in Black and Silver if my Vikes can't get him.

You're a believer then?

 

[ICON211]

I wish someone would convince me on Manziel. One way or the other.

I am in on Manziel. Here is why:

He changed an entire program. The difference between Texas A&M before and after he got there is ridiculous.

He competes every play and every game for the entire game. He never gives up on a play. His competitive nature is contagious and would be great to have someone like that especially at the most important position.

The guy just makes things happen. Whether its with his arm or his legs he makes a ton of big plays. The guy just has it. That thing that you can not describe but you know it when you see it.

He does not have prototypical size, but Brees and Wilson have shown you do not necessarily need to be 6'4.

 

[mr roboto]

I would love to see Johnny Football in Black and Silver if my Vikes can't get him.

You're a believer then?

Not exactly, but far more now than before the season started. You'll know in 2 years if he's for real or not. If he is, he's Favre 2.0. If not, will he flame out hard? Maybe. But then it's over. And no more massive contracts for rookie QBs, so the down side is significantly cheaper than it used to be. He's got fire. He could do a lot to bring back some if the swagger to your team IMO. But I'm not a Raider fan so maybe that's just projecting a bit.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Nice post Mr Roboto. Please disregard everything I posted about waiting on a QB. I am all in on JF! Choo choo.

 

[Autumn Wind]

So the news around the campfire is that going into his meeting with Reggie and Dennis, Mark Davis is resisting giving NFL-standard extensions to the coaching staff. Is this just Mark doing his due diligence or is he more like his father than we hoped?

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Interesting development. I can see both sides of this argument. From Davis' side: "Turn this thing around next year and everyone will get extended." Coaches side: "If you are only giving me a year then this feels like a lame duck situation and I am outta here for a more stable job."

Sparano is rumored to be looking. Too bad, I though he did a great job this year with any OLine the included Barnes and Pathos at tackles. Too bad because any key coaches leave it could be a step backwards.

It might also be the first sign that Davis is going to pinch pennies as someone had previously posted...

 

[lod01]

Wrong division to think it turns around next year. 4th place is almost a guarantee.

Broncos take 1st until Manning goes away, SD and KC battle for 2nd. Oak with the worst QB situation will sit at 4th place for 2014 and maybe even 2015.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Interesting development. I can see both sides of this argument. From Davis' side: "Turn this thing around next year and everyone will get extended." Coaches side: "If you are only giving me a year then this feels like a lame duck situation and I am outta here for a more stable job."

How many stable jobs are there out there that are hot to snap up a coaching staff that has gone 1-7 in the homestretch of back to back seasons? DA should be walking on eggshells and readily chuck his assistants under the bus when he's called to do so in front of the press. I keep hearing chatter about how he and Reggie are respected around NFL circles, but push comes to shove, I think the market will be frigid for them if Mark were to set them free. The point I guess I'm trying to make is that they are in no position to be complaining about job stability with their track record.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I see a lot of mocks have us taking Sammy Watkins, and I can't deny that WR is a huge need also. Bridgewater, Clowney and Bortles will be gone before our pick, and I don't think Reggie will touch Johnny Football with his character issues. Barr is also in play. A trade down is probably most likely. Sorry Johnny F fans, but I think his chance of landing in Oakland is somewhere close to zero percent.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Interesting development. I can see both sides of this argument. From Davis' side: "Turn this thing around next year and everyone will get extended." Coaches side: "If you are only giving me a year then this feels like a lame duck situation and I am outta here for a more stable job."

How many stable jobs are there out there that are hot to snap up a coaching staff that has gone 1-7 in the homestretch of back to back seasons? DA should be walking on eggshells and readily chuck his assistants under the bus when he's called to do so in front of the press. I keep hearing chatter about how he and Reggie are respected around NFL circles, but push comes to shove, I think the market will be frigid for them if Mark were to set them free. The point I guess I'm trying to make is that they are in no position to be complaining about job stability with their track record.

IIRC DA signed a 5 year deal, so this issue is about the assistant coaches. Losing co-ordinators and position coaches on a yearly basis create instability and puts the team on the wrong side of the learning curve,and isn't a rceipe for success. As I said previously, I understand Mark Davis' position but the bigger picture is that coaches are very sensative to owners' history in handling staffs. It is too simple-minded to say that there are only a limited number of NFL coaching jobs. The working conditions weigh heavily on the appeal of a job. It is a big reason why coaches like Parcells would never work for Al.

As far as the market of Reggie and DA goes, consider that Rod Marinelli coached the Lions to a record 0-16 season, and yet was still employable as an assistant coach. Some people are better suited to be position or co-ordinators, and history may ultimately show that is where DA's talents lay.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I see a lot of mocks have us taking Sammy Watkins, and I can't deny that WR is a huge need also. Bridgewater, Clowney and Bortles will be gone before our pick, and I don't think Reggie will touch Johnny Football with his character issues. Barr is also in play. A trade down is probably most likely. Sorry Johnny F fans, but I think his chance of landing in Oakland is somewhere close to zero percent.

Reggie has shown he will take a chance on a player if he believes it improves the team. Stacy McGee is exhibit A. If they reach the conclusion that JF is a franchise QB it would not surprise me if they select him.

Personally, I would be shocked if the Raiders took a WR at 1.05. Not to say WR isn't a need, but they have more pressing needs on defense and @ QB and RB. Also, teh WR group looks deeper than I can remmeber in years, so there will be quality later in the draft. I agree with you that they are likely to trade down or select best defensive player available (Barr?)

 

[raidergil]

I see a lot of mocks have us taking Sammy Watkins, and I can't deny that WR is a huge need also. Bridgewater, Clowney and Bortles will be gone before our pick, and I don't think Reggie will touch Johnny Football with his character issues. Barr is also in play. A trade down is probably most likely. Sorry Johnny F fans, but I think his chance of landing in Oakland is somewhere close to zero percent.

Reggie has shown he will take a chance on a player if he believes it improves the team. Stacy McGee is exhibit A. If they reach the conclusion that JF is a franchise QB it would not surprise me if they select him.

Personally, I would be shocked if the Raiders took a WR at 1.05. Not to say WR isn't a need, but they have more pressing needs on defense and @ QB and RB. Also, teh WR group looks deeper than I can remmeber in years, so there will be quality later in the draft. I agree with you that they are likely to trade down or select best defensive player available (Barr?)

I'm ok with Watkins as long as we get a QB in 2nd rnd. Watkins has amazing acceleration & it seems more recently that the stud WRs are those picked in 1st like Fitz, CJ, AJ Green etc....but we still need a QB. We don't have luxury of building a team around someone 'playoff level' like Sea did with Hasselback or SF with A Smith. I'm also a Bills fan & recall reaching on Losman & after passing Tanneyhill, Kaep, Wilson, were forced to grab Manuel, which is quite questionable after 1 year. Problem is I just can't trust Raiders to make correct pick. I thought Reggie would change things but then we go with Hayden over Richardson or Lotulelei. How nice would it be to know we had 1 of those 2 on the roster heading into this draft? I liked taking shot at Tyler Wilson in 4th last yr but that was another bust. I'm so tired of missing on studs because we're reaching. If 3 QBs go before #5 then take Clowney, Barr or Watkins & take shot with Murray in 2nd round.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Paul Gutierrez reports "at least" six Raiders assistants accepted one-year extensions Tuesday.
In other words, it appears Raiders coach Dennis Allen emerged from Tuesday's marathon meeting with the team's brain trust with his job still intact. A source tells Gutierrez that Allen is "probably" safe. Oakland has had issues shedding its dysfunctional ways since the October 2011 death of longtime owner Al Davis, but it would be stunning if Allen were cut loose following Tuesday's developments.

Source: Paul Gutierrez on Twitter

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Updating an earlier item, CSN Bay Area reports Raiders coach Dennis Allen is still meeting with team owner Mark Davis.
It was reported earlier Tuesday that six of Allen's assistants had accepted one-year extensions, but CSN Bay Area's Scott Bair reports deals were "drawn up," but not "fully executed." Meanwhile, Davis himself denied to the Contra Costa Times that there's been any meeting thus far. Perhaps Allen isn't out of the woods yet, after all. The situation is unfolding in typically chaotic Raiders fashion.

Source: Scott Bair on Twitter

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Reggie has shown he will take a chance on a player if he believes it improves the team. Stacy McGee is exhibit A. If they reach the conclusion that JF is a franchise QB it would not surprise me if they select him.

Stacy McGee is a very late round pick and it's not a huge roll of the dice to take on a project with character flaws that late. It's quite another deal to take risks on your #5 overall draft pick. Not that Reggie isn't a risk taker, drafting a guy who by all rights is lucky to be alive today at pick 13. But health risk is quite a different animal as character risk. If Johnny Football interviews well, maybe that changes though. I doubt it, Reggie likes his choir boys.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I am not a big fan of Mark Davis latest moves, offering DA's assistants one year lame duck contracts. This essentially bids adieu to Tony Sparano and Bobby April, who are likely to bolt for other teams. Sparano is being tied to Tampa according to sources. This is a move that usurps DA's authority and forces him to play with a light (and cheap) deck.

So now we are $70 mill under the cap, almost complete draft pick deck, and getting ready to reshape the team just in time to be ready to fire the coaching staff or let them go next year? I don't see the point. Why not fire DA now if you lack confidence in him? You take away his best assistants, and then ask him to coach for his life. Playoffs or fired. Play fair Mark!

 

[massraider]

I'm actually not too upset about it.

Allen knows he and his staff need to show improvement, and that everyone is gone if they don't get better. If they improve, everyone gets extensions. If not, they had their shot.

 

[massraider]

Glad that Davis is giving Reggie/Allen 3 years, at least.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

CSN Philly suggests the Raiders as a possible landing spot for impending free agent Michael Vick.

Beat writer Reuben Frank was just spitballing on Twitter, not reporting. But we know that Vick's preference is to start, and the Raiders fit as a team willing to take risks and needing a bridge quarterback. Vick turns 34 in June, but still showed he was plenty capable of leading a team when on the field for the Eagles in 2013. He went 77-of-141 for 1,215 yards with five touchdowns and three interceptions in seven appearances, compiling a respectable 86.4 passer rating. Vick also added 36 rushes for 306 yards and two more scores.

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Source: Reuben Frank on Twitter

 

[Autumn Wind]

Sparano will be back. Signed a two-year deal. I think someone called Mark Davis's bluff.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I am glad to hear that. Sparano did a good job with the talent he had. Regardless, this staff better put up this year, or everyone is on a staff is gone after this year anyway.

 

[Autumn Wind]

The months between now and the draft are going to be excruciating. I'm already getting antsy.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

thoughts on maclin?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

thoughts on maclin?

I like him a lot, but he's got 2 ACL's and we don't know how he's coming back from that. Already hinted at re-signing with Philly on a one year "prove it" deal. Sounds like he wants to stay put. He's still very young, but the health has to be a concern. We certainly have the money to go after him, but remember when we bankrolled Javon Walker after his injuries?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Tarver and April are back. Looks like nobody called Mark's bluff. All the main players coming back. I don't know who if any of Dennis Allen staff rebuffed Mark's one year take-it-or-leave-it deal, but won't be anyone of note.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

thoughts on maclin?

I like him a lot, but he's got 2 ACL's and we don't know how he's coming back from that. Already hinted at re-signing with Philly on a one year "prove it" deal. Sounds like he wants to stay put. He's still very young, but the health has to be a concern. We certainly have the money to go after him, but remember when we bankrolled Javon Walker after his injuries?

i certainly do remember javon walker. but he was much older correct? and i wouldn't pay maclin a ton, and it would be the same length or maybe make it 2 years as an enticement.

i also like incognito as someone else pointed out earlier in the thread. i think he could be had on the relative cheap as well.

qb is still a mystery, but with this talk of bridgewater falling, i really hope we don't pick him. or any other qb in the first. i'd love a scenario where we trade down. but i've said that for 4-5 years now.

 

[Bob Magaw]

thoughts on maclin?

I like him a lot, but he's got 2 ACL's and we don't know how he's coming back from that. Already hinted at re-signing with Philly on a one year "prove it" deal. Sounds like he wants to stay put. He's still very young, but the health has to be a concern. We certainly have the money to go after him, but remember when we bankrolled Javon Walker after his injuries?

i certainly do remember javon walker. but he was much older correct? and i wouldn't pay maclin a ton, and it would be the same length or maybe make it 2 years as an enticement.i also like incognito as someone else pointed out earlier in the thread. i think he could be had on the relative cheap as well.

qb is still a mystery, but with this talk of bridgewater falling, i really hope we don't pick him. or any other qb in the first. i'd love a scenario where we trade down. but i've said that for 4-5 years now.

Do you think they are comfortable with Pryor and McGloin?

If so, who would likely start?

 

[RaiderBones]

The months between now and the draft are going to be excruciating. I'm already getting antsy.

At least we have free agency between now and then or otherwise it would be a lot longer.

 

[Tool]

thoughts on maclin?

I like him a lot, but he's got 2 ACL's and we don't know how he's coming back from that. Already hinted at re-signing with Philly on a one year "prove it" deal. Sounds like he wants to stay put. He's still very young, but the health has to be a concern. We certainly have the money to go after him, but remember when we bankrolled Javon Walker after his injuries?

i certainly do remember javon walker. but he was much older correct? and i wouldn't pay maclin a ton, and it would be the same length or maybe make it 2 years as an enticement.i also like incognito as someone else pointed out earlier in the thread. i think he could be had on the relative cheap as well.

qb is still a mystery, but with this talk of bridgewater falling, i really hope we don't pick him. or any other qb in the first. i'd love a scenario where we trade down. but i've said that for 4-5 years now.

Do you think they are comfortable with Pryor and McGloin?

If so, who would likely start?

I doubt it. Why is it so easy for me to see Vick in an Oakland uni. maybe sign Vick and draft a qb in 2nd or 3rd?

 

[lod01]

thoughts on maclin?

I like him a lot, but he's got 2 ACL's and we don't know how he's coming back from that. Already hinted at re-signing with Philly on a one year "prove it" deal. Sounds like he wants to stay put. He's still very young, but the health has to be a concern. We certainly have the money to go after him, but remember when we bankrolled Javon Walker after his injuries?

i certainly do remember javon walker. but he was much older correct? and i wouldn't pay maclin a ton, and it would be the same length or maybe make it 2 years as an enticement.i also like incognito as someone else pointed out earlier in the thread. i think he could be had on the relative cheap as well.

qb is still a mystery, but with this talk of bridgewater falling, i really hope we don't pick him. or any other qb in the first. i'd love a scenario where we trade down. but i've said that for 4-5 years now.

Do you think they are comfortable with Pryor and McGloin?

If so, who would likely start?

I doubt it. Why is it so easy for me to see Vick in an Oakland uni. maybe sign Vick and draft a qb in 2nd or 3rd?

Jesus, that would just set them back another couple years. Look at a guy like Cooper in Philly. Only when Vick was sat on the pine did they find out what they had in him.

 

[Ed Wood]

If any of you would like to jump into the wayback machine and go back to 1974, here's an interesting video of the complete fourth quarter of the Sea of Hands Game.

I didn't realize Branch did not catch the long TD pass and I had forgotten how close Davis came to not catching the game-winner. Looks like a Dolphin has his hands on it first and then it just kind of sits there for anyone to take.

Still the best game I've ever seen. And, yes, I'm old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtnPLSitQ3I

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Clemson QB Tajh Boyd says the Raiders have shown more interest in him than any team at this week's Senior Bowl.
It'd certainly be an interesting fit. Boyd is a projected second- to early third-day draft choice with a big arm and plus athleticism. The Raiders dabbled with the read-option when Terrelle Pryor played in 2013. Knocks against Boyd include his accuracy and size, as he measured in at 6-foot 3/4 and 222 pounds Monday. Reports out of Mobile indicate Boyd has struggled in practice.

Related: Raiders

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I'm hoping the Boyd talk is all a smokescreen. Lacks the accuracy to be a day one draft pick, and we already have run thru a string of inaccurate passers. I think we need to focus in on which QB is available at #5. Manziel, Bridgewater, Boyd...any of them would help us or give us a shot. Call them lottery tickets. Can't win if you don't play. I'm not keen on trading up to get them, but we should have a good shot at the #5 slot.

 

[RaiderBones]

I'm hoping the Boyd talk is all a smokescreen. Lacks the accuracy to be a day one draft pick, and we already have run thru a string of inaccurate passers. I think we need to focus in on which QB is available at #5. Manziel, Bridgewater, Boyd...any of them would help us or give us a shot. Call them lottery tickets. Can't win if you don't play. I'm not keen on trading up to get them, but we should have a good shot at the #5 slot.

I'm assuming you mean Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I'm hoping the Boyd talk is all a smokescreen. Lacks the accuracy to be a day one draft pick, and we already have run thru a string of inaccurate passers. I think we need to focus in on which QB is available at #5. Manziel, Bridgewater, Boyd...any of them would help us or give us a shot. Call them lottery tickets. Can't win if you don't play. I'm not keen on trading up to get them, but we should have a good shot at the #5 slot.

I'm assuming you mean Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles.

you are right, I meant Bortles. Had just read a column about the Raiders interest in Boyd. sorry. my bad

 

[ICON211]

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I'm hoping the Boyd talk is all a smokescreen. Lacks the accuracy to be a day one draft pick, and we already have run thru a string of inaccurate passers. I think we need to focus in on which QB is available at #5. Manziel, Bridgewater, Boyd...any of them would help us or give us a shot. Call them lottery tickets. Can't win if you don't play. I'm not keen on trading up to get them, but we should have a good shot at the #5 slot.

I'm assuming you mean Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles.

you are right, I meant Bortles. Had just read a column about the Raiders interest in Boyd. sorry. my bad

I read one article about how awful Boyd has looked at Senior Bowl practices followed by another one about how the Raiders are very interested in him. Figures.

 

[massraider]

http://deadspin.com/rod-streater-made-a-beats-by-dre-parody-video-1512455141

Rod Streater. This is cute.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Low hanging fruit, but you are right, it is cute.

Hey Mass can you start a 2014 thread. We need to put this year behind us!

 

[DA RAIDERS]

i come here with my head down......due to financial reasons, i will be rooting? for the mother ####### broncos tomorrow. it pains me, but $1400 is $1400.

phew, i feel better now.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN Raiders blogger Paul Gutierrez considers Oakland a possible landing spot for Mark Sanchez this offseason.
Sanchez is expected to be released before he's owed a $2 million roster bonus in March. The Raiders are looking for a pocket passer to run OC Greg Olson's offense, so Sanchez could be viewed as a veteran upgrade on Terrelle Pryor and Matt McGloin. Despite coming off labrum surgery and two straight turnover-riddled seasons, Sanchez has drawn interest as a starter from at least one team. An unnamed coach told the New York Post last month that his organization has already discussed adding Sanchez in anticipation of him being released.

Related: Raiders

Source: ESPN.com

ESPN Raiders blogger Paul Gutierrez expects Oakland to show interest in free agent Josh Freeman this offseason.
Freeman was linked to the Raiders before he signed with Minnesota, so it's possible they still have interest despite his disastrous 2013. He has experience in OC Greg Olson's scheme from their time together in Tampa and shouldn't command much guaranteed money. Gutierrez also believes Oakland could be a landing spot for Mark Sanchez when he's released by the Jets.

Related: Raiders

Source: ESPN.com

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[lod01]

Rotoworld:

ESPN Raiders blogger Paul Gutierrez considers Oakland a possible landing spot for Mark Sanchez this offseason.
Sanchez is expected to be released before he's owed a $2 million roster bonus in March. The Raiders are looking for a pocket passer to run OC Greg Olson's offense, so Sanchez could be viewed as a veteran upgrade on Terrelle Pryor and Matt McGloin. Despite coming off labrum surgery and two straight turnover-riddled seasons, Sanchez has drawn interest as a starter from at least one team. An unnamed coach told the New York Post last month that his organization has already discussed adding Sanchez in anticipation of him being released.

Related: Raiders

Source: ESPN.com

ESPN Raiders blogger Paul Gutierrez expects Oakland to show interest in free agent Josh Freeman this offseason.
Freeman was linked to the Raiders before he signed with Minnesota, so it's possible they still have interest despite his disastrous 2013. He has experience in OC Greg Olson's scheme from their time together in Tampa and shouldn't command much guaranteed money. Gutierrez also believes Oakland could be a landing spot for Mark Sanchez when he's released by the Jets.

Related: Raiders

Source: ESPN.com

:X

It's like they are a garbage can for the rest of the NFL. Probably throw Vick in there as well.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Rotoworld:

ESPN Raiders blogger Paul Gutierrez considers Oakland a possible landing spot for Mark Sanchez this offseason.

Sanchez is expected to be released before he's owed a $2 million roster bonus in March. The Raiders are looking for a pocket passer to run OC Greg Olson's offense, so Sanchez could be viewed as a veteran upgrade on Terrelle Pryor and Matt McGloin. Despite coming off labrum surgery and two straight turnover-riddled seasons, Sanchez has drawn interest as a starter from at least one team. An unnamed coach told the New York Post last month that his organization has already discussed adding Sanchez in anticipation of him being released.

Related: Raiders

Source: ESPN.com

ESPN Raiders blogger Paul Gutierrez expects Oakland to show interest in free agent Josh Freeman this offseason.

Freeman was linked to the Raiders before he signed with Minnesota, so it's possible they still have interest despite his disastrous 2013. He has experience in OC Greg Olson's scheme from their time together in Tampa and shouldn't command much guaranteed money. Gutierrez also believes Oakland could be a landing spot for Mark Sanchez when he's released by the Jets.

Related: Raiders

Source: ESPN.com

:X

It's like they are a garbage can for the rest of the NFL. Probably throw Vick in there as well.

add in schaub