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I am high on Miller so I like the backs
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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (2 Viewers)
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
Not a LeShoure fan. I'd gladly take Jackson and the pick.
Even though I actually like Miller more than LeShoure, I'm going to have to go with BPA on VJax here.
Couple of recent trades in my leagues, all 12 team PPRTeam A gets D.Allen and J WrightTeam B gets C.Givens and a mid 3rdTeam C gets V-Jax and James JonesTeam D gets D.Bowe and WittenTeam E gets MendenhallTeam F gets D.Harris and a mid 3rdTeam G gets MarshallTeam H gets Nicks and 1.12Team I gets AP and GerhartTeam J gets Ingram and Fitz
EBF
Footballguy
Theft.
For?
Givens seems to be getting undervalued at the moment. If I didn't already have him he'd be someone I'd be looking to add at prices similar to those. Not hugely excited by him, but looks a decent WR3 with upside to me
Come on. This is just getting ridiculous. You could move that pick to the other side and turn the league into a 12 teamer, and I'd still take the VJax side pretty easily. In a 10 teamer, where there's much less positional scarcity and difference makers are much more valuable, Jackson is worth substantially more.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
There should be no uproar. This time last year Fitz was worth more than ADP and Nicks was worth more than Marshall.If these people think these trades are unfair enough to complain, they should play in no-trade leagues.
The Captain
Footballguy
12 team non-PPRTeam gave: Sam Bradford & Jonathan DwyerTeam B gave: Matt Schaub, Knowshon Moreno & DeAngelo Williams
This trade needs to invent a new word for 'selling lowwwwwww'I can't understand the thought process of selling Mendy so cheap. At least until the start of next year his value can only increase, and I can't foresee a situation in which Harris' value increases dramatically either (And I actually like the bloke).EDIT: DuJuan makes more sense, I still don't like the move, but that's more to do with not thinking much of his long term value.
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squistion
Footballguy
How bout Ogletree leaves in free agency and Austin is cut?
I wouldn't expect a price hike that would match Mendenhall's price rise with a similarly 'best case scenario' series of events.
Sorry, yes it's DuJuan Harris
Fair enough, it's the morning and I wasn't quite thinking yet.
Makes a heckuva lot more sense. Still well prefer the Mendenhall side.Atomic Punk
Footballguy
Unless there is another league with the exact same players/trades, there was no uproar .. at least nothing posted on our league page. There was actually no comment at all since the trade just happened this afternoon.And to be fair, there were a few other players included in the Marshall/Nicks trade. The team getting Nicks also got Cutler and Tolbert and needed a second QB pretty badly. The actual trade was Cutler/Tolbert/Nicks/1.12 for Marshall/Ford/Flynn.
The AP/Gerhart for Ingram/Fitz trade seems very reasonable IMO.Off-line grumbling...Unless there is another league with the exact same players/trades, there was no uproar .. at least nothing posted on our league page. There was actually no comment at all since the trade just happened this afternoon.And to be fair, there were a few other players included in the Marshall/Nicks trade. The team getting Nicks also got Cutler and Tolbert and needed a second QB pretty badly. The actual trade was Cutler/Tolbert/Nicks/1.12 for Marshall/Ford/Flynn.
The AP/Gerhart for Ingram/Fitz trade seems very reasonable IMO.
Who are you in that league? Only guy in both 14 and 15 is Force. That you?Off-line grumbling...Unless there is another league with the exact same players/trades, there was no uproar .. at least nothing posted on our league page. There was actually no comment at all since the trade just happened this afternoon.And to be fair, there were a few other players included in the Marshall/Nicks trade. The team getting Nicks also got Cutler and Tolbert and needed a second QB pretty badly. The actual trade was Cutler/Tolbert/Nicks/1.12 for Marshall/Ford/Flynn.
The AP/Gerhart for Ingram/Fitz trade seems very reasonable IMO.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Seems pretty obvious that you're one of the offline grumblers, posting the trades with the comment "causing a bit of an uproar", and then not including the full details of the trade. My guess is you were hoping a bunch of people here would agree with you so that you could take the comments back to your league.Off-line grumbling...Unless there is another league with the exact same players/trades, there was no uproar .. at least nothing posted on our league page. There was actually no comment at all since the trade just happened this afternoon.And to be fair, there were a few other players included in the Marshall/Nicks trade. The team getting Nicks also got Cutler and Tolbert and needed a second QB pretty badly. The actual trade was Cutler/Tolbert/Nicks/1.12 for Marshall/Ford/Flynn.
The AP/Gerhart for Ingram/Fitz trade seems very reasonable IMO.
Joking right?
jwb
Footballguy
Nope. The Foster owner also had Mcfadden / Spiller, and is very high on both, so he feels he can/should trade foster before his value drops. Which it will. In two years, Team B probably has the more valuable player. That was his thinking anyway (I'm team A). I like wilson, too. I actually turned this down at first, I like Wilson that much. But I realized my roster just looks a lot better w/ Foster/Tate on it, and reoffered it. On paper, it makes me a definite title contender. We're both happy. Team B is a good/competitive owner.
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Footballguy
That is a decent amount for Richardson but I would still take Richardson
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LOL - I love the conspiracy theories. Nope, I don't post about trades on the league boards. And I didn't post the 'full details' about the trade b/c lets be honest, adding Cutler and Tolbert doesn't really move the needle at all.Seems pretty obvious that you're one of the offline grumblers, posting the trades with the comment "causing a bit of an uproar", and then not including the full details of the trade. My guess is you were hoping a bunch of people here would agree with you so that you could take the comments back to your league.Off-line grumbling...Unless there is another league with the exact same players/trades, there was no uproar .. at least nothing posted on our league page. There was actually no comment at all since the trade just happened this afternoon.And to be fair, there were a few other players included in the Marshall/Nicks trade. The team getting Nicks also got Cutler and Tolbert and needed a second QB pretty badly. The actual trade was Cutler/Tolbert/Nicks/1.12 for Marshall/Ford/Flynn.
The AP/Gerhart for Ingram/Fitz trade seems very reasonable IMO.
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squistion
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Um, being honest arguably involves listing the 'full details' of any transaction. Sometimes marginal players or picks really do move the needle in closing a deal. It is noted above that Team H "needed a second QB pretty badly" so maybe for them, adding Cutler was the difference maker in accepting the trade or not. I guess my point is that it seems a bit presumptuous to edit out trade details that one considers unimportant - which is why most people include all the details of a trade (even those that could be viewed as the worthless "throw-in" part of the transaction). One never knows for sure what goes on in the mind of the trading partners, unless they come into this thread and explain their thinking.LOL - I love the conspiracy theories. Nope, I don't post about trades on the league boards. And I didn't post the 'full details' about the trade b/c lets be honest, adding Cutler and Tolbert doesn't really move the needle at all.Seems pretty obvious that you're one of the offline grumblers, posting the trades with the comment "causing a bit of an uproar", and then not including the full details of the trade. My guess is you were hoping a bunch of people here would agree with you so that you could take the comments back to your league.Off-line grumbling...Unless there is another league with the exact same players/trades, there was no uproar .. at least nothing posted on our league page. There was actually no comment at all since the trade just happened this afternoon.And to be fair, there were a few other players included in the Marshall/Nicks trade. The team getting Nicks also got Cutler and Tolbert and needed a second QB pretty badly. The actual trade was Cutler/Tolbert/Nicks/1.12 for Marshall/Ford/Flynn.
The AP/Gerhart for Ingram/Fitz trade seems very reasonable IMO.
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jwb
Footballguy
Disagree - it could, depending on rosters / needs / etc. Cutler is hardly WW material. It's not that big a deal to post the full trade details - it makes this thread a lot more useful.As an aside, nothing in those two trades were grumble-worthy.LOL - I love the conspiracy theories. Nope, I don't post about trades on the league boards. And I didn't post the 'full details' about the trade b/c lets be honest, adding Cutler and Tolbert doesn't really move the needle at all.Seems pretty obvious that you're one of the offline grumblers, posting the trades with the comment "causing a bit of an uproar", and then not including the full details of the trade. My guess is you were hoping a bunch of people here would agree with you so that you could take the comments back to your league.Off-line grumbling...Unless there is another league with the exact same players/trades, there was no uproar .. at least nothing posted on our league page. There was actually no comment at all since the trade just happened this afternoon.And to be fair, there were a few other players included in the Marshall/Nicks trade. The team getting Nicks also got Cutler and Tolbert and needed a second QB pretty badly. The actual trade was Cutler/Tolbert/Nicks/1.12 for Marshall/Ford/Flynn.
The AP/Gerhart for Ingram/Fitz trade seems very reasonable IMO.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
I can see this making sense for both sides. That is a pretty good haul for trich. I'd say its a fair trade.
EBF
Footballguy
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Footballguy
Definitely take the side getting Rice
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
12 team PPR league:Team A gets:Trent RichardsonTeam B gets:Larry FitzgeraldMatt ForteCecil Shorts
I actually like it for the Mcfadden side, especially so if they were in need of a starting QB.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Would rather have Bush with this class...or take my chances getting a 2014 1st rounder.
Is it me or is Larry Fitz getting treated like a throw in these days? I understand the disappointment owners have had the last few seasons, but he is still the most talented/hard working WR in the league. He may never be in the top 5 in scoring again, but he will give you 5-7 more years of very consistent production.It reminds me of Steve Smith three years ago. He was pretty much written off, in comes Cam and he's a top 5 WR. And he was over 30yrs old at the time. I got a bunch of low ball offers for Fitz all last season and refused to trade him unless someone offered some real value. I ended up trading him this off season for Cobb, Wayne and Rivers. I feel like I got a young WR that can grow on my team and two older guys that can give me some depth over the next couple years. Some may agree or disagree with my deal, but I feel too many people are dumping him for too little. Anyone else agree or am I placing too much value on him?
EBF
Footballguy
I think it was a good move for both parties. Reggie gave me 7 years of good service in that league, but my team hit the wall in a big way last year (Jennings/Holmes/Fitzgerald) and now I'm restructuring the roster with an eye towards the future. I'm sure I'll find a use for the 1.10, even with a weak class.
jwb
Footballguy
I was the "getting McFadden" side. Yea, I needed another good qb - I had Eli and junk, so Ben made sense (at least I can play either guy and feel good about it). I like Rudolph a lot, too (more than Davis) - he's now my starting TE. I even like getting the two, as I don't have a one this year (traded for Davis last offseason - yuck). McFadden vs Rice is close enough (to me) that it makes getting the other stuff worth it. I could see why he did it too - I like Ray Rice.
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Single RB league I'd rather have the 1.10 but in a 2 RB league I'd rather have Reggie.
That's about how I see it, don't see it as one sided for anyone but prefer your side. Mainly because I like Rudolph a fair amount more than Vernon, I don't think highly of Richardson's chances of ever being a guy you can comfortably plug in your lineup, you moved your draft pick up and got starting QB1A or 1B for your team.I imagine the main reason people would be down on your trade is they don't see Mcfadden as being close to Rice but like you I do as well.
EBF
Footballguy
Don't want to pick on you, but IMO Ben and Rudolph are players that provide relatively little advantage, if any, at their positions. You should be able to get either of them for pretty cheap. And I don't see how you can think McFadden/Rice is close based on what they've been doing the last few years. I don't mind the idea of cashing out Rice. I just think you could have asked for a lot more and gotten it.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
That's one of the worst trades I've ever seen bud. And with all of the good qbs around now, wow.'ShaHBucks said:Like I said he has value to you and not me. At best he's a gimmick-homerun hitter like Darrius Heyward-Bey. Last nine games he's only played well vs KC and OAK once teams actually started to pay him any mind. Only thing I regret is not extracting a few picks off of name value, talent wise I like my side even if Foles gets hit by a Mac Truck the theory was correct in trying to build around a young QB based on what I hear from the upcoming draft about QB and WR. Tate/Gordon will never have WR1-2 value.The kid that led his team in receiving yards, red zone targets, TDs, and first downs. The kid whose team signed a new coach whose philosophy plays directly to his strengths. The kid that scored 5 TDs which were1) 62 yd TD vs LB & S2) 20 yd TD vs. CB & S3) 71 yd TD vs. CB4) 33 yd TD vs. CB5) 44 yd TD vs. CBNone of these were trick plays. They were all normal passing plays where Gordon burned the defender.Gordon is worth more than the other side on his own. As a multi-league Foles owner, let me say Foles is just not worth that much! Unless KC trades for him, his value is QB3. Both he and Kolb could easily be waiver fodder before Sproles is. There are better QBs to target even if you can't put up enough to get Wilson and higher.You mean the kid that caught around 50% of his targets and only scored off trick plays where he's running free vs a LB? Oh okGordon's nothing special
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I don't think it is a brutal trade by any means. Just would rather have taken a chance on a lottery ticket for a later class.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
I agree. I keep thinking about the jaguars this season when I think about Fitzgerald. When the jags benched grabbert and went with henne, shorts and Blackmon starting producing offensively, and henne is what I would consider to be a mediocre qb. I feel like if the cardinals can get just a serviceable qb fitz will be back to producing low end wr1 numbers at the minimum. And I think that with Arians they will be able to do that, whether it be by free agency or the draft. That doesn't even account for the fact that I think fitz is one of those elite athletes that will be able to produce well into his thirties. He will be thirty going into next season and I can easily see him producing at a high level through his age 33 season at the least.
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Footballguy
I prefer the pick
jwb
Footballguy
Yea, maybe. But I'm happy. We'll have to agree to disagree on Ben and Rudolph's value, though. They both improve my team, and I know in most of my leagues, either one will probably cost you a late 1.
