2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (7 Viewers)

[Lab]

Any help appreciated. I'm looking to put together a credible offer for Gronk in a dynasty league. Dynasty league is PPR, with 6pts for all TDs. Start 1Q, 1R, 1W, 1T, and 2flex (R/W/T). Here's the other team's roster:

Q: Ryan, Fitz, Skelton

R: Foster, Richardson, Murray, Mathews, Ballard, Ingram, Pead, Blount

W: Austin, Gordon, Amendola, Vincent Brown, Lloyd, Givens

T: Gronk, Davis

I'm planning to offer Rivers, Steve Smith, Owen Daniels, and a 2nd round rookie pick. Is that a viable offer, or an insulting lowball?

I know Gronk's value is super high. But my thinking is that this trade strengthens his team more than Gronk will. Rivers becomes a clear QB2 for him, and maybe even starts a couple games over Ryan. Steve Smith might be his starting WR for 2013 over those other guys. His TE1 would be Davis, and Daniels becomes a credible TE2 for him. Other players I could toss into the mix include Decker, Moore, Maclin, Britt, Greg Olsen.

What do you think? Decent offer? I don't want to burn a trade bridge by offering something ridiculously low.

I guess the real meat of the question is "What's Gronk's realistic trade value in dynasty right now?"

Any thoughts appreciated.

 

[Concept Coop]

Any help appreciated. I'm looking to put together a credible offer for Gronk in a dynasty league. Dynasty league is PPR, with 6pts for all TDs. Start 1Q, 1R, 1W, 1T, and 2flex (R/W/T). Here's the other team's roster: Q: Ryan, Fitz, SkeltonR: Foster, Richardson, Murray, Mathews, Ballard, Ingram, Pead, BlountW: Austin, Gordon, Amendola, Vincent Brown, Lloyd, GivensT: Gronk, Davis I'm planning to offer Rivers, Steve Smith, Owen Daniels, and a 2nd round rookie pick. Is that a viable offer, or an insulting lowball? I know Gronk's value is super high. But my thinking is that this trade strengthens his team more than Gronk will. Rivers becomes a clear QB2 for him, and maybe even starts a couple games over Ryan. Steve Smith might be his starting WR for 2013 over those other guys. His TE1 would be Davis, and Daniels becomes a credible TE2 for him. Other players I could toss into the mix include Decker, Moore, Maclin, Britt, Greg Olsen. What do you think? Decent offer? I don't want to burn a trade bridge by offering something ridiculously low. I guess the real meat of the question is "What's Gronk's realistic trade value in dynasty right now?" Any thoughts appreciated.

In this format, he's a top 5 player. If you don't center your trade around at least a top 15 player, it's ridiculously low. This thread will show you some deals including Gronk and give you a good idea of his value. I moved AJ Green for him recently, for example. ETA: Actually, in this format, Gronk should be #1, in my opinion. Adrian Peterson ran for 2,000 yards and provided 126 VBD in this format. Calvin was close to 2,000, had 122 catches, and didn't match Gronk's 2011 VBD, 144. Do what you need to do to get him.

 

[Gawain]

Any help appreciated. I'm looking to put together a credible offer for Gronk in a dynasty league. Dynasty league is PPR, with 6pts for all TDs. Start 1Q, 1R, 1W, 1T, and 2flex (R/W/T). Here's the other team's roster:

Q: Ryan, Fitz, Skelton

R: Foster, Richardson, Murray, Mathews, Ballard, Ingram, Pead, Blount

W: Austin, Gordon, Amendola, Vincent Brown, Lloyd, Givens

T: Gronk, Davis

I'm planning to offer Rivers, Steve Smith, Owen Daniels, and a 2nd round rookie pick. Is that a viable offer, or an insulting lowball?

I know Gronk's value is super high. But my thinking is that this trade strengthens his team more than Gronk will. Rivers becomes a clear QB2 for him, and maybe even starts a couple games over Ryan. Steve Smith might be his starting WR for 2013 over those other guys. His TE1 would be Davis, and Daniels becomes a credible TE2 for him. Other players I could toss into the mix include Decker, Moore, Maclin, Britt, Greg Olsen.

What do you think? Decent offer? I don't want to burn a trade bridge by offering something ridiculously low.

I guess the real meat of the question is "What's Gronk's realistic trade value in dynasty right now?"

Any thoughts appreciated.

You're going to get a lot of "that's not why we're here."

I'll just say that Gronk has gone 1.01 in leagues with TE bonuses and is an easy first round pick in a PPR startup. Would you give a startup first round pick for Rivers, Steve Smith, Owen Daniels, and a 2nd round rookie pick.?

 

[Donsmith753]

Any help appreciated. I'm looking to put together a credible offer for Gronk in a dynasty league. Dynasty league is PPR, with 6pts for all TDs. Start 1Q, 1R, 1W, 1T, and 2flex (R/W/T). Here's the other team's roster: Q: Ryan, Fitz, SkeltonR: Foster, Richardson, Murray, Mathews, Ballard, Ingram, Pead, BlountW: Austin, Gordon, Amendola, Vincent Brown, Lloyd, GivensT: Gronk, Davis I'm planning to offer Rivers, Steve Smith, Owen Daniels, and a 2nd round rookie pick. Is that a viable offer, or an insulting lowball? I know Gronk's value is super high. But my thinking is that this trade strengthens his team more than Gronk will. Rivers becomes a clear QB2 for him, and maybe even starts a couple games over Ryan. Steve Smith might be his starting WR for 2013 over those other guys. His TE1 would be Davis, and Daniels becomes a credible TE2 for him. Other players I could toss into the mix include Decker, Moore, Maclin, Britt, Greg Olsen. What do you think? Decent offer? I don't want to burn a trade bridge by offering something ridiculously low. I guess the real meat of the question is "What's Gronk's realistic trade value in dynasty right now?" Any thoughts appreciated.

I think you should move this to the appropriate forum.

 

[dewmass]

Any help appreciated. I'm looking to put together a credible offer for Gronk in a dynasty league. Dynasty league is PPR, with 6pts for all TDs. Start 1Q, 1R, 1W, 1T, and 2flex (R/W/T). Here's the other team's roster: Q: Ryan, Fitz, SkeltonR: Foster, Richardson, Murray, Mathews, Ballard, Ingram, Pead, BlountW: Austin, Gordon, Amendola, Vincent Brown, Lloyd, GivensT: Gronk, Davis I'm planning to offer Rivers, Steve Smith, Owen Daniels, and a 2nd round rookie pick. Is that a viable offer, or an insulting lowball? I know Gronk's value is super high. But my thinking is that this trade strengthens his team more than Gronk will. Rivers becomes a clear QB2 for him, and maybe even starts a couple games over Ryan. Steve Smith might be his starting WR for 2013 over those other guys. His TE1 would be Davis, and Daniels becomes a credible TE2 for him. Other players I could toss into the mix include Decker, Moore, Maclin, Britt, Greg Olsen. What do you think? Decent offer? I don't want to burn a trade bridge by offering something ridiculously low. I guess the real meat of the question is "What's Gronk's realistic trade value in dynasty right now?" Any thoughts appreciated.

It's not close to being acceptable in my opinion and should result in an instant decline. Even the players you say you could toss in to the mix aren't close to being enough. You need to think of this as though the guy with Gronk isn't an idiot and then redo your offer thoughts from that new perspective

 

[Mario Kart]

Once again, take this crap to PM's cause it does nothing in this thread.

Your warning points should be going up.

 

[Lab]

You're going to get a lot of "that's not why we're here."

Ahh, my apologies. I thought this thread was for discussion of off-season dynasty trades (per the thread title). I get now that it's just meant to discuss only off-season dynasty trades that have actually occurred. Ignore my question. I'll repost somewhere else.

Thanks for all the substantive responses. I'll reevaluate on Gronk's value.

 

[LongDuckDong]

1QB League PPR

Team A gives Aaron Hernandez

Team B gives Russell Wilson

Probably a very fair trade. Team A needed a legitimate starting QB, Team B had Brady, Kap, and Wilson, and weakness in the skill positions.

 

[Sabertooth]

Just saw this in a Superflex league

Colin KaepernickTitus Young

for

Arian FosterBen Tate

Young, top 8 or so QBs in dynasty leagues are worth more than anyone in my eyes, including Trent/Calvin. Certainly more than Foster.

In a superflex league I think I'd rather have Kaep than Foster, but it's close. Getting Tate evens it out a bit. I wouldn't fault either side for this .... to me it really depends on number of starters. The fewer the starters, the more important the best players for each position (meaning Foster would be better if this was like 1/1/1/1 and 1 superflex. If starting a slew of positions in PPR (like 1/2/3/1 and a superflex) then I would probably lean Kaep).

Think it also depends on the rest of his roster. Is Kaep his QB or his flex?

Would that matter? If you aren't starting 2QBs in a superflex, you aren't winning a thing.

Worded that horribly, I meant what he was moving from and who Kaep would replace in his lineup.

Ah OK, gotcha. On this question, my answer would be that "it likely wouldn't matter to me". Perhaps if he was sitting on two stud QBs already, but I'm not sure I still wouldn't do it if that were the case. Even if he was replacing a guy like Roethlisberger in his lineup, these leagues you are still at a great advantage with 3QBs, and it would open up one of his lesser QBs to trade (which should still bring a good return, even for guys like Rivers, Schaub, etc).

FWIW, he was down to Sanchez as his starting QB. He had nothing. He was pretty desperate to get a real QB. His only trade bait was Foster/Tate, Trent Richardson, and Gronk.

 

[Concept Coop]

1QB League PPR

Team A gives Aaron Hernandez

Team B gives Russell Wilson

Probably a very fair trade. Team A needed a legitimate starting QB, Team B had Brady, Kap, and Wilson, and weakness in the skill positions.

I like the trade for Team B. Team A paid a lot to get Wilson, likely too much. I would have much rather paid much less for Romo and held onto Hernandez.

 

[thriftyrocker]

1QB League PPR

Team A gives Aaron Hernandez

Team B gives Russell Wilson

Probably a very fair trade. Team A needed a legitimate starting QB, Team B had Brady, Kap, and Wilson, and weakness in the skill positions.

I like the trade for Team B. Team A paid a lot to get Wilson, likely too much. I would have much rather paid much less for Romo and held onto Hernandez.

Yeah, needs a mid/late 1st on the Wilson side to be fair value.

 

[Gawain]

1QB League PPR

Team A gives Aaron Hernandez

Team B gives Russell Wilson

Probably a very fair trade. Team A needed a legitimate starting QB, Team B had Brady, Kap, and Wilson, and weakness in the skill positions.

I like the trade for Team B. Team A paid a lot to get Wilson, likely too much. I would have much rather paid much less for Romo and held onto Hernandez.

I'm curious if he had his choice between Kap and Wilson or if Wilson was the only one B was willing to trade.

 

[DexterDew]

did the following trade in a 14 Team with Devy, graded PPR (.75/1.0/1.25), start 2RB/3WR/TE can flex any:

I gave up:* Seastrunk, Lache FA RBBrown, Andre NYG RBHilton, T.Y. IND WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.10

2014 Devy pickTeam B gave upierce, Bernard BAL RBRice, Ray BAL RB

I barely made the playoffs last year, but feel i have a team that can make a run. Team B in a rebuild.

A couple other smaller factors on my end, but does anyone really care about other Devy players and roster spots?

 

[JohnnyU]

did the following trade in a 14 Team with Devy, graded PPR (.75/1.0/1.25), start 2RB/3WR/TE can flex any:

I gave up:* Seastrunk, Lache FA RBBrown, Andre NYG RBHilton, T.Y. IND WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.10

2014 Devy pickTeam B gave upierce, Bernard BAL RBRice, Ray BAL RB

I barely made the playoffs last year, but feel i have a team that can make a run. Team B in a rebuild.

A couple other smaller factors on my end, but does anyone really care about other Devy players and roster spots?

For those that don't know what Devy players are, they are 1st rd picks that can be used on College players not yet eligible for the NFL Draft.

 

[loose circuits]

These pissing contests ruin this thread

Just saw Colston for Torrey Smith and 2014 3rd

 

[JohnnyU]

These pissing contests ruin this threadJust saw Colston for Torrey Smith and 2014 3rd

So what's wrong with that trade?

 

[cusefan115]

These pissing contests ruin this threadJust saw Colston for Torrey Smith and 2014 3rd

So what's wrong with that trade?

I think he's referencing the Chris Johnson debate.

 

[Concept Coop]

did the following trade in a 14 Team with Devy, graded PPR (.75/1.0/1.25), start 2RB/3WR/TE can flex any:

I gave up:* Seastrunk, Lache FA RBBrown, Andre NYG RBHilton, T.Y. IND WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.10

2014 Devy pickTeam B gave upierce, Bernard BAL RBRice, Ray BAL RB

I barely made the playoffs last year, but feel i have a team that can make a run. Team B in a rebuild.

A couple other smaller factors on my end, but does anyone really care about other Devy players and roster spots?

I like the trade for you, in large part because I really like Pierce. I think he is as valuable as any one thing you gave up, with the possible exception of Hilton. If we were to cross out Pierce and, say, Seastrunk, the rest doesn't add up to Ray Rice value, in my opinion.

 

[JohnnyU]

did the following trade in a 14 Team with Devy, graded PPR (.75/1.0/1.25), start 2RB/3WR/TE can flex any: I gave up:* Seastrunk, Lache FA RBBrown, Andre NYG RBHilton, T.Y. IND WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.102014 Devy pickTeam B gave upierce, Bernard BAL RBRice, Ray BAL RB I barely made the playoffs last year, but feel i have a team that can make a run. Team B in a rebuild. A couple other smaller factors on my end, but does anyone really care about other Devy players and roster spots?

I like the trade for you, in large part because I really like Pierce. I think he is as valuable as any one thing you gave up, with the possible exception of Hilton. If we were to cross out Pierce and, say, Seastrunk, the rest doesn't add up to Ray Rice value, in my opinion.

I would look at it this way. Compare Hilton value to Pierce and then compare Seastrunk, Brown, 1.10, and 1st rd devy (college player not eligible for the NFL draft) compared to Rice. By the time my team is ready to compete, Ray Rice will be 28 years old. I already think he has a ton of milage and was starting to make me uncomfortable, especially since my team won't be very good this year in that league. I really like Seastrunk and Hilton for my team long term and I hope to cash in on the picks as well, especially the College Developmental Pick.

 

[Bamac]

I haven't given it a ton of though, but my initial opinion is that if you are only required to start 1 RB, it would make Foster less valuable in comparison to stud QBs (that you could start 2). Kinda similar to how QBs in start-1 leagues are devalued since you have more options.

That's correct. Foster's value within his own position would go up, but not outside of it. He would be worth much less compared to QBs.

Why is the bolder true? Do you value short-term stud production more because it's easier to get a replacement when the wheels fall off?

 

[tdmills]

did the following trade in a 14 Team with Devy, graded PPR (.75/1.0/1.25), start 2RB/3WR/TE can flex any:

I gave up:* Seastrunk, Lache FA RBBrown, Andre NYG RBHilton, T.Y. IND WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.10

2014 Devy pickTeam B gave upierce, Bernard BAL RBRice, Ray BAL RB

I barely made the playoffs last year, but feel i have a team that can make a run. Team B in a rebuild.

A couple other smaller factors on my end, but does anyone really care about other Devy players and roster spots?

I like the trade for you, in large part because I really like Pierce. I think he is as valuable as any one thing you gave up, with the possible exception of Hilton. If we were to cross out Pierce and, say, Seastrunk, the rest doesn't add up to Ray Rice value, in my opinion.

Couldn't agree more. Pierce crosses out either Seastrunk or Hilton, the rest doesn't add up to Rice.

 

[loose circuits]

These pissing contests ruin this threadJust saw Colston for Torrey Smith and 2014 3rd

So what's wrong with that trade?

I think he's referencing the Chris Johnson debate.

yeah, I had 2 different thoughts in the same post. Those petty arguments are ridiculous and what's worse is they quote like 50 different things so it makes it difficult to view on your phone....

 

[I was in the pool]

These pissing contests ruin this threadJust saw Colston for Torrey Smith and 2014 3rd

I think the pick is on the wrong side

 

[DexterDew]

did the following trade in a 14 Team with Devy, graded PPR (.75/1.0/1.25), start 2RB/3WR/TE can flex any:

I gave up:* Seastrunk, Lache FA RBBrown, Andre NYG RBHilton, T.Y. IND WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.10

2014 Devy pickTeam B gave upierce, Bernard BAL RBRice, Ray BAL RB

I barely made the playoffs last year, but feel i have a team that can make a run. Team B in a rebuild.

A couple other smaller factors on my end, but does anyone really care about other Devy players and roster spots?

I like the trade for you, in large part because I really like Pierce. I think he is as valuable as any one thing you gave up, with the possible exception of Hilton. If we were to cross out Pierce and, say, Seastrunk, the rest doesn't add up to Ray Rice value, in my opinion.

Couldn't agree more. Pierce crosses out either Seastrunk or Hilton, the rest doesn't add up to Rice.

For me, it was locking up a productive backfield in a 14 team dynasty. I would not have made the trade for Rice alone.

 

[werdnoynek]

These pissing contests ruin this threadJust saw Colston for Torrey Smith and 2014 3rd

I think the pick is on the wrong side

 

[Concept Coop]

Bamac, on 03 Apr 2013 - 16:30, said:

Concept Coop, on 03 Apr 2013 - 08:08, said:

jonboltz, on 03 Apr 2013 - 07:55, said:I haven't given it a ton of though, but my initial opinion is that if you are only required to start 1 RB, it would make Foster less valuable in comparison to stud QBs (that you could start 2). Kinda similar to how QBs in start-1 leagues are devalued since you have more options.

That's correct. Foster's value within his own position would go up, but not outside of it. He would be worth much less compared to QBs.

Why is the bolder true? Do you value short-term stud production more because it's easier to get a replacement when the wheels fall off?

Easiest way I can answer is with an example.In a start 2 league, Aaron Rodgers is worth more than he is in a start 1 league, overall. Yet, in a start 1 league he's worth more than Russell WIlson and Tom Brady together. In a start 2 league, he might not be. So Rodgers' value is higher overall, but lower within his own position, becuase the other QBs get a major boost. So Foster is worth less overall in a league where you only start 1 RB. Yet, he's worth more compared to other RBs. In a league where you only start 1 RB, Foster is worth more than both CJ2K and Demarco Murray together. In a league where you start 2, he might not be, despite being worth more overall.

 

[Rolling_akg]

Team a gives rivers

Team b gives 2.01(pick 14)

 

[jonboltz]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

 

[mzkp54]

12 team PPR start 1 QB- have Brees as my starter.

Gave: Russell Wilson, Mike Williams

Got: Victor Cruz, Philip Rivers

 

[Phenix]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

Strawman. He doesn't have to take a QB with the 2.1.

 

[jonboltz]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

1. Sure, there are 15-18 guys that *could* put up top 10 QB numbers. I would put Rivers chances of that as very, very slim.

2. Its silly to assume that no rookie QB has a shot of being top 10 ever. Even though Gino isn't felt as being a top 10 (or by some even top 32) overall player, he would stack up fine against what several guys had been viewed at in the NFL draft.

3. The 2.01 pick doesn't have to be a QB.

4. Rivers is someone, like most backup QBs, that you could probably get for your WR6 or something similarly devalued. You shouldn't need to spend a top 15 rookie pick on him.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

Rivers seems to be regressing with each passing season. Could he bounce back? Sure, but with the ability to get other QBs in that same range with the same upside on the cheap I'd rather have the pick.

 

[Phenix]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

1. Sure, there are 15-18 guys that *could* put up top 10 QB numbers. I would put Rivers chances of that as very, very slim.

2. Its silly to assume that no rookie QB has a shot of being top 10 ever. Even though Gino isn't felt as being a top 10 (or by some even top 32) overall player, he would stack up fine against what several guys had been viewed at in the NFL draft.

3. The 2.01 pick doesn't have to be a QB.

4. Rivers is someone, like most backup QBs, that you could probably get for your WR6 or something similarly devalued. You shouldn't need to spend a top 15 rookie pick on him.

So Rivers, who is only 31 and other then last year had 4 straight 4 g seasons (Last year everyone stunk on Norv) and who has similar stats to Eli, is not worth a 2nd round pick in a weak draft?

I know some will think that is me being defensive, but its just a question.

 

[Phenix]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

Strawman. He doesn't have to take a QB with the 2.1.

LOL, really? thanks, because I was under the impression only quarterbacks can be selected. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[jonboltz]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

1. Sure, there are 15-18 guys that *could* put up top 10 QB numbers. I would put Rivers chances of that as very, very slim.

2. Its silly to assume that no rookie QB has a shot of being top 10 ever. Even though Gino isn't felt as being a top 10 (or by some even top 32) overall player, he would stack up fine against what several guys had been viewed at in the NFL draft.

3. The 2.01 pick doesn't have to be a QB.

4. Rivers is someone, like most backup QBs, that you could probably get for your WR6 or something similarly devalued. You shouldn't need to spend a top 15 rookie pick on him.

So Rivers, who is only 31 and other then last year had 4 straight 4 g seasons (Last year everyone stunk on Norv) and who has similar stats to Eli, is not worth a 2nd round pick in a weak draft?

I know some will think that is me being defensive, but its just a question.

Rivers surrounding talent isn't nearly the same as he had during those four years. I will say...I wouldn't give up 2.01 for Eli, either.

 

[ghostguy123]

AP is completely offended that his name was used in the same sentence, or even the same paragraph, as Chris Johnson.

If CJ1k is your #1 RB, you aren't going very far.

People bailed on AP a bit because he tore his knee to pieces.

People are and have been bailing on CJ1k because after he got his contract he has looked like a shell of his former self, and nobody sees the old CJ coming back, nor should they for a couple reasons. One, he likely couldnt get back to that form no matter how hard he works in the offseason. Two, he likely isn't going to work that hard in the offseason.

People bailed on AP because they weren't sure he could get back to form. People are bailing on CJ1k because they KNOW he won't get back to form.

Again, so a 2000 yard rusher cant be put in the same sentence as a 2000 yard rusher? How many of them are there?

Also not bias,Ii also have ADP Lynch Sproles Bush, so I'm set. Just like depth at runner, you know cuz they get hurt more. My RB Core below..

Bush, Michael CHI RB

Bush, Reggie DET RB

Ivory, Christopher NOS RB

Johnson, Chris TEN RB

Lynch, Marshawn SEA RB

Peterson, Adrian MIN RB

Sproles, Darren NOS RB

Turner, Michael FA* RB

So then I should put Eric Dickerson on the current elite list also?? Are you going to consider CJ1k a 2000 yard runner until he retires??

I consider AP a 2000 yard runner NOW. Not saying I expect him to run for 2000 again, but it would not surprise one bit.

If CJ ran for 2000 this year it would be a christmas miracle. Point is, CJ is NOT that guy anymore. Peterson is. Comparing them is disrepectful to AP.

 

[ghostguy123]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

1. Sure, there are 15-18 guys that *could* put up top 10 QB numbers. I would put Rivers chances of that as very, very slim.

2. Its silly to assume that no rookie QB has a shot of being top 10 ever. Even though Gino isn't felt as being a top 10 (or by some even top 32) overall player, he would stack up fine against what several guys had been viewed at in the NFL draft.

3. The 2.01 pick doesn't have to be a QB.

4. Rivers is someone, like most backup QBs, that you could probably get for your WR6 or something similarly devalued. You shouldn't need to spend a top 15 rookie pick on him.

So Rivers, who is only 31 and other then last year had 4 straight 4 g seasons (Last year everyone stunk on Norv) and who has similar stats to Eli, is not worth a 2nd round pick in a weak draft?

I know some will think that is me being defensive, but its just a question.

Rivers surrounding talent isn't nearly the same as he had during those four years. I will say...I wouldn't give up 2.01 for Eli, either.

Yeah, you would have to have essentially nothing on your roster at QB to give a top 20 pick for Eli or Rivers. Especially Rivers. I would take Eli over Rivers without hesitation of any kind.

I would be very surprised if Rivers cracked the top 10 scoring for Qbs. I would not be surprised if he was 20th.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

Strawman. He doesn't have to take a QB with the 2.1.

LOL, really? thanks, because I was under the impression only quarterbacks can be selected. Thanks for clearing that up.

Okay, so then what was the point of mentioning it? You just admitted that its entirely irrelevant.

 

[utahandy]

12-team contract league with very few quality free agents available this year (Eli, Knowsho, Hartline, Greg Olsen are among the best available).

50% annual bidding dollars for Russell Wilson

 

[Phenix]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

1. Sure, there are 15-18 guys that *could* put up top 10 QB numbers. I would put Rivers chances of that as very, very slim.

2. Its silly to assume that no rookie QB has a shot of being top 10 ever. Even though Gino isn't felt as being a top 10 (or by some even top 32) overall player, he would stack up fine against what several guys had been viewed at in the NFL draft.

3. The 2.01 pick doesn't have to be a QB.

4. Rivers is someone, like most backup QBs, that you could probably get for your WR6 or something similarly devalued. You shouldn't need to spend a top 15 rookie pick on him.

So Rivers, who is only 31 and other then last year had 4 straight 4 g seasons (Last year everyone stunk on Norv) and who has similar stats to Eli, is not worth a 2nd round pick in a weak draft?

I know some will think that is me being defensive, but its just a question.

Rivers surrounding talent isn't nearly the same as he had during those four years. I will say...I wouldn't give up 2.01 for Eli, either.

Yeah, you would have to have essentially nothing on your roster at QB to give a top 20 pick for Eli or Rivers. Especially Rivers. I would take Eli over Rivers without hesitation of any kind.

I would be very surprised if Rivers cracked the top 10 scoring for Qbs. I would not be surprised if he was 20th.

Nope Have Brady, Rivers and Flynn.

We have 25 roster spots and I have only one person worth cutting and i still have pick 5. Need a better QB to back up Brady then Flynn. After testing the trading market Rivers was not a bad option at 2.1 considering i wouldnt be able to roster that pick.

Sure I could of tried for more value towards the draft, but thats always a gamble.

 

[cstu]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

1. Sure, there are 15-18 guys that *could* put up top 10 QB numbers. I would put Rivers chances of that as very, very slim.

2. Its silly to assume that no rookie QB has a shot of being top 10 ever. Even though Gino isn't felt as being a top 10 (or by some even top 32) overall player, he would stack up fine against what several guys had been viewed at in the NFL draft.

3. The 2.01 pick doesn't have to be a QB.

4. Rivers is someone, like most backup QBs, that you could probably get for your WR6 or something similarly devalued. You shouldn't need to spend a top 15 rookie pick on him.

Rivers is a pretty good bet to rebound and put up 300+ FP. Even if he doesn't reach the top 10 he should be in that neighborhood.

 

[cstu]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

Rivers seems to be regressing with each passing season. Could he bounce back? Sure, but with the ability to get other QBs in that same range with the same upside on the cheap I'd rather have the pick.

I don't get this - he had a bad year last year but 2011 and 2010 were two of his best.

 

[JustinHawkins]

12 team PPR league

Traded Hankerson for E Sanders

Could have gotten LaFell but preferred Sanders

 

[Gawain]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

1. Sure, there are 15-18 guys that *could* put up top 10 QB numbers. I would put Rivers chances of that as very, very slim.

2. Its silly to assume that no rookie QB has a shot of being top 10 ever. Even though Gino isn't felt as being a top 10 (or by some even top 32) overall player, he would stack up fine against what several guys had been viewed at in the NFL draft.

3. The 2.01 pick doesn't have to be a QB.

4. Rivers is someone, like most backup QBs, that you could probably get for your WR6 or something similarly devalued. You shouldn't need to spend a top 15 rookie pick on him.

So Rivers, who is only 31 and other then last year had 4 straight 4 g seasons (Last year everyone stunk on Norv) and who has similar stats to Eli, is not worth a 2nd round pick in a weak draft?

I know some will think that is me being defensive, but its just a question.

How does this jive with what you said previously?

He didn't even try to hurry the offense up after the sack to end the game, this guy is a cancer and a horrible person as well as horrible and pathetic player.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

 

[Rolling_akg]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

1. Sure, there are 15-18 guys that *could* put up top 10 QB numbers. I would put Rivers chances of that as very, very slim. 2. Its silly to assume that no rookie QB has a shot of being top 10 ever. Even though Gino isn't felt as being a top 10 (or by some even top 32) overall player, he would stack up fine against what several guys had been viewed at in the NFL draft. 3. The 2.01 pick doesn't have to be a QB. 4. Rivers is someone, like most backup QBs, that you could probably get for your WR6 or something similarly devalued. You shouldn't need to spend a top 15 rookie pick on him.

So Rivers, who is only 31 and other then last year had 4 straight 4 g seasons (Last year everyone stunk on Norv) and who has similar stats to Eli, is not worth a 2nd round pick in a weak draft? I know some will think that is me being defensive, but its just a question.

How does this jive with what you said previously?

He didn't even try to hurry the offense up after the sack to end the game, this guy is a cancer and a horrible person as well as horrible and pathetic player.

Nice!!

 

[Mimo]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

1. Sure, there are 15-18 guys that *could* put up top 10 QB numbers. I would put Rivers chances of that as very, very slim. 2. Its silly to assume that no rookie QB has a shot of being top 10 ever. Even though Gino isn't felt as being a top 10 (or by some even top 32) overall player, he would stack up fine against what several guys had been viewed at in the NFL draft. 3. The 2.01 pick doesn't have to be a QB. 4. Rivers is someone, like most backup QBs, that you could probably get for your WR6 or something similarly devalued. You shouldn't need to spend a top 15 rookie pick on him.

So Rivers, who is only 31 and other then last year had 4 straight 4 g seasons (Last year everyone stunk on Norv) and who has similar stats to Eli, is not worth a 2nd round pick in a weak draft? I know some will think that is me being defensive, but its just a question.

How does this jive with what you said previously?

He didn't even try to hurry the offense up after the sack to end the game, this guy is a cancer and a horrible person as well as horrible and pathetic player.

Oops!!!!

 

[werdnoynek]

 

[Kree]

Team a gives riversTeam b gives 2.01(pick 14)

Pick for me. I'd rather trade a mediocre backup already on my team and take a chance on a new guy.

Rivers has a chance to be a top 10 QB, he is talented, just on a team of demise last year. Any rookie QB in this draft has no shot at being top 10, now or ever.

Rivers seems to be regressing with each passing season. Could he bounce back? Sure, but with the ability to get other QBs in that same range with the same upside on the cheap I'd rather have the pick.

I don't get this - he had a bad year last year but 2011 and 2010 were two of his best.

2011 was a pretty poor year on his behalf, 27 passing TDs to 25 turnovers, lowest completion and TD rate since 07, highest INT rate in full time starting position.