Blackmon's got a few more years of risky #### happening to him whereas it seems Britt/Wallace have worn thin on some, for this, Blackmon is the safer side and does have a nice ability so it's not a bad deal. We know he is not completely fool's gold.This is from a new startup and Blackmon was my target during the draft, but he got taken earlier than I wanted and had to settle for Wallace. I like Britt but my WR's are now Julio, Cobb, Nicks and Blackmon (start 1-4). Giving up Britt was tough but I think Blackmon could become untouchable after this year. The 1.12 looks like it will still be a good player as well.Concept Coop said:I'm pretty low on Britt right now, so this is close to me. But I'd take Wallace and Britt, too. After lowering Wallace's value after the trade, it's starting to rebound with the more thought I give it. The money is a very good sign, and I have read some nice things about Tannehill's arm. I'd still take Blackmon, but it's closer for me that it is to most, I think.JPeso said:I'll take Wallace and Britt.Team A gave: Blackmon, 1.12
Team B gave: Wallace, Britt
Britt, as much as I hate having him on my roster, is worth a good deal more than the 1.12.
Absolutely. I've been on the "Richardson is over-rated (in FF only, not NFL-wise)" bandwagon since Cleveland took him.Do you take that into account with Richardson as well?I like Gordon quite a bit as a player, but it's hard to ignore the fact that he plays for a bottom 5 NFL organization. I just don't trust Cleveland to draft / develop / improve / etc. IMO it's a pretty big limiting factor.thriftyrocker said:I'm starting to agree Givens is a buy given STL replaced Amendola with Cook but his upside is nowhere near as high as Gordon. Givens is a finesse WR who is easily jammed. His upside is capped by size and game. Gordon is only limited by how fast he can learn and improve.EBF said:Factoring cost into the equation, I would rather have Chris Givens. He showed the same positives, but won't cost as much in most cases.
Physically Britt is top-5 in the NFL at WR IMO. He's a Brandon Marshall / TO level beast. Too bad he has all of the crazy that those two bring and might have none of the work ethic.I own him in every league I'm in - but last year he didn't look like the same guy as he did prior to the latest injury. I'm pretty sure he's not the guy putting in extra hours at the rehab facility Peterson-style. Certainly not selling at current value, but last year worried me...Blackmon's got a few more years of risky #### happening to him whereas it seems Britt/Wallace have worn thin on some, for this, Blackmon is the safer side and does have a nice ability so it's not a bad deal. We know he is not completely fool's gold. Perhaps I am biased as I saw Britt this past week and he is a physically imposing killer monster man. And Wallace.. he's alright..This is from a new startup and Blackmon was my target during the draft, but he got taken earlier than I wanted and had to settle for Wallace. I like Britt but my WR's are now Julio, Cobb, Nicks and Blackmon (start 1-4). Giving up Britt was tough but I think Blackmon could become untouchable after this year. The 1.12 looks like it will still be a good player as well.Concept Coop said:I'm pretty low on Britt right now, so this is close to me. But I'd take Wallace and Britt, too. After lowering Wallace's value after the trade, it's starting to rebound with the more thought I give it. The money is a very good sign, and I have read some nice things about Tannehill's arm. I'd still take Blackmon, but it's closer for me that it is to most, I think. Britt, as much as I hate having him on my roster, is worth a good deal more than the 1.12.JPeso said:I'll take Wallace and Britt.Team A gave: Blackmon, 1.12 Team B gave: Wallace, Britt
Love that trade for you. Been trying to buy Ingram with late first round picks and been turned down repeatedly.12 team PPR
Acquired James Jones in a trade a day or two ago. Moved him today.
Gave: James Jones
Got: Ingram, 2.02 and 3.02
Great trade 4 uLove that trade for you. Been trying to buy Ingram with late first round picks and been turned down repeatedly.12 team PPR Acquired James Jones in a trade a day or two ago. Moved him today. Gave: James Jones Got: Ingram, 2.02 and 3.02
Well turned around and traded Morris $10, and Nicks $18 for ray Rice $10, VJax $7, and Vereeniging $1. Vereen handcuffs Ridley for me.I just felt Rice is the best player in the deal, especially in PPRDynasty PPR, $220 cap . start 1qb, 1rb, 2wr, 1 te, 1flexTraded Mendenhall $3, and Bradford $10 for Nicks $18I have Cam, foles and Vick at qb morris, ridley, beanie at rb,and Julio, Gordon, djax, Andre Roberts at wr, feel nicks is an upgrade behind Julio. Hope to grab a rookie rb
That's a long way back for a 2014 1st.Couple start-up trades, 12 team pprTeam A Gave - 7.05 and 2014 1st rounderTeam B Gave - 4.02
wow, collect all those picks and just give them away like that, pretty sadIn a 12 team PPR QB flex (can start two 2 QB, but only 4 Points for passing TD vs 6 for receiving/rushing), I made this trade. I got stafford. To give some context, with this trade, he owns 7 picks in top 8 of this draft. What do you all think?
- Rammer Jammer Crimson Tiders gave up Stafford, Matthew DET QB;Moore, Lance NOS WR;Williams, Mike TBB WR
- Offseason sucks! gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.01;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.03
especially when you are giving the team you are getting the first rounder from the benefit of adding an additional impact player to help raise their spot in the final standings during the first season.That's a long way back for a 2014 1st.Couple start-up trades, 12 team pprTeam A Gave - 7.05 and 2014 1st rounderTeam B Gave - 4.02
I could see paying one of them to get Stafford perhaps - but then two top 3 picks for Moore and Tampa Mike? Way to waste value.wow, collect all those picks and just give them away like that, pretty sadIn a 12 team PPR QB flex (can start two 2 QB, but only 4 Points for passing TD vs 6 for receiving/rushing), I made this trade. I got stafford. To give some context, with this trade, he owns 7 picks in top 8 of this draft. What do you all think?
- Rammer Jammer Crimson Tiders gave up Stafford, Matthew DET QB;Moore, Lance NOS WR;Williams, Mike TBB WR
- Offseason sucks! gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.01;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.03
thats a very interesting trade and would only accept it if I was a huge fan of one the players. RG and Luck gotta be pretty close to even w/ the Luck & AJ side bringing more long term value while Dez and RG bring a little more upside.I couldn't deal Dez for AJ. Just don't see that 370-400 point upside with AJ. If I was the holder of RG3/Dez, I would add nothing to get Luck/AJG, but instead would want a mid 2nd or so as a dart come draft day.Love this trade for Team A... RG3 and Dez both have continuing question marks... health for RG3 and attitude for Dez. I also think Luck > RG3; AJG > Dez.Team A gets:
RG3
Dez Bryant
Team B gets:
Andrew Luck
AJ Green
Seemed pretty even to me. Team A gets more upside, but Team B gets less risk.
yeah, its not too bad in a 12 team, especially if it IDP, but I always like to be on the giving end and not taking end.especially when you are giving the team you are getting the first rounder from the benefit of adding an additional impact player to help raise their spot in the final standings during the first season.That's a long way back for a 2014 1st.Couple start-up trades, 12 team pprTeam A Gave - 7.05 and 2014 1st rounderTeam B Gave - 4.02
In a 2 QB league I don't mind this deal at all. I don't think any of the QB's this year come anywhere close to Stafford's upside. Put names to the picks and Stafford for Lacy/Smith/Patterson doesn't sound crazy to me with the 2QB option. Stafford had a down year last year, but I still think he's somewhere in QB 6-10. He's easily the best piece in the deal.I could see paying one of them to get Stafford perhaps - but then two top 3 picks for Moore and Tampa Mike? Way to waste value.wow, collect all those picks and just give them away like that, pretty sadIn a 12 team PPR QB flex (can start two 2 QB, but only 4 Points for passing TD vs 6 for receiving/rushing), I made this trade. I got stafford. To give some context, with this trade, he owns 7 picks in top 8 of this draft. What do you all think?
- Rammer Jammer Crimson Tiders gave up Stafford, Matthew DET QB;Moore, Lance NOS WR;Williams, Mike TBB WR
- Offseason sucks! gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.01;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.03
in a "can" start 2 QB league(only 12 teams though so I suspect that the WW has some decent players) I guess Stafford is worth a little more than top 3 but not all 3 of them.I could see paying one of them to get Stafford perhaps - but then two top 3 picks for Moore and Tampa Mike? Way to waste value.wow, collect all those picks and just give them away like that, pretty sadIn a 12 team PPR QB flex (can start two 2 QB, but only 4 Points for passing TD vs 6 for receiving/rushing), I made this trade. I got stafford. To give some context, with this trade, he owns 7 picks in top 8 of this draft. What do you all think?
- Rammer Jammer Crimson Tiders gave up Stafford, Matthew DET QB;Moore, Lance NOS WR;Williams, Mike TBB WR
- Offseason sucks! gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.01;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.03
It is a 2QB league.I could see paying one of them to get Stafford perhaps - but then two top 3 picks for Moore and Tampa Mike? Way to waste value.wow, collect all those picks and just give them away like that, pretty sadIn a 12 team PPR QB flex (can start two 2 QB, but only 4 Points for passing TD vs 6 for receiving/rushing), I made this trade. I got stafford. To give some context, with this trade, he owns 7 picks in top 8 of this draft. What do you all think?
- Rammer Jammer Crimson Tiders gave up Stafford, Matthew DET QB;Moore, Lance NOS WR;Williams, Mike TBB WR
- Offseason sucks! gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.01;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.03
Yah, he probably is worth that in a 2QB league. He's a top 15 overall player in 2QB leagues.in a "can" start 2 QB league(only 12 teams though so I suspect that the WW has some decent players) I guess Stafford is worth a little more than top 3 but not all 3 of them.I could see paying one of them to get Stafford perhaps - but then two top 3 picks for Moore and Tampa Mike? Way to waste value.wow, collect all those picks and just give them away like that, pretty sadIn a 12 team PPR QB flex (can start two 2 QB, but only 4 Points for passing TD vs 6 for receiving/rushing), I made this trade. I got stafford. To give some context, with this trade, he owns 7 picks in top 8 of this draft. What do you all think?
- Rammer Jammer Crimson Tiders gave up Stafford, Matthew DET QB;Moore, Lance NOS WR;Williams, Mike TBB WR
- Offseason sucks! gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.01;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.03
I did miss that which definately changes things.It is a 2QB league.I could see paying one of them to get Stafford perhaps - but then two top 3 picks for Moore and Tampa Mike? Way to waste value.wow, collect all those picks and just give them away like that, pretty sadIn a 12 team PPR QB flex (can start two 2 QB, but only 4 Points for passing TD vs 6 for receiving/rushing), I made this trade. I got stafford. To give some context, with this trade, he owns 7 picks in top 8 of this draft. What do you all think?
- Rammer Jammer Crimson Tiders gave up Stafford, Matthew DET QB;Moore, Lance NOS WR;Williams, Mike TBB WR
- Offseason sucks! gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.01;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.03
I did a similar trade (5.04 to 7.08) for a 2014 1st. It turned out being the 1.02 for the 1.07 and the 1st. Not unhappy with it given the relative weakness of this draft. The 4.02 would have been 1.01 in my startup.yeah, its not too bad in a 12 team, especially if it IDP, but I always like to be on the giving end and not taking end.especially when you are giving the team you are getting the first rounder from the benefit of adding an additional impact player to help raise their spot in the final standings during the first season.That's a long way back for a 2014 1st.Couple start-up trades, 12 team pprTeam A Gave - 7.05 and 2014 1st rounderTeam B Gave - 4.02
He then went and did this...I did miss that which definately changes things.It is a 2QB league.I could see paying one of them to get Stafford perhaps - but then two top 3 picks for Moore and Tampa Mike? Way to waste value.wow, collect all those picks and just give them away like that, pretty sadIn a 12 team PPR QB flex (can start two 2 QB, but only 4 Points for passing TD vs 6 for receiving/rushing), I made this trade. I got stafford. To give some context, with this trade, he owns 7 picks in top 8 of this draft. What do you all think?
- Rammer Jammer Crimson Tiders gave up Stafford, Matthew DET QB;Moore, Lance NOS WR;Williams, Mike TBB WR
- Offseason sucks! gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.01;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.03
Not big on Mathews but I would take him for this deal12 team ppr: QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FL
- Team S gave up Jackson, Steven ATL RB;Rodgers, Jacquizz ATL RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.09
- Team L gave up Mathews, Ryan SDC RB;Cook, Jared STL TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.09
I can't value Luck on par with Rodgers until he starts scoring as many fantasy points. Rodgers has a good 5 years at the very least, and is likely to score more points during that span.12 team PPR dynasty:
Aaron Rodgers
2014 1st (projected non playoff team)
for
Andrew Luck
Robert Turbin (other guy has Lynch)
2014 1st (projected playoff team)
Well, if he was currently scoring as many points as Rodgers, he would be twice as valuable as Rodgers.I can't value Luck on par with Rodgers until he starts scoring as many fantasy points. Rodgers has a good 5 years at the very least, and is likely to score more points during that span.12 team PPR dynasty:
Aaron Rodgers
2014 1st (projected non playoff team)
for
Andrew Luck
Robert Turbin (other guy has Lynch)
2014 1st (projected playoff team)
Give me Rodgers.
This is just my opinion and how I run my teams, but if I am not competing, I am not trading my 1st round draft picks. Any long-term advantage he gets by moving Rodgers for Luck, he surrenders by moving a future top 3 pick.Well, if he was currently scoring as many points as Rodgers, he would be twice as valuable as Rodgers.
Rare time a deal may help both teams. It's hard to trade a QB for quality RB/WR/TE because a team doesn't want to weaken themselves. So the next best thing is pick up the best of the young QBs (to me that is Luck, and to a lot of people from what I see).
He probably isn't going to compete now, so why wait until these younger QBs are clearly ahead of Rodgers, at which time he wil be like 32 or 33.
I can't disagree that Rodgers is worth more than Luck. Of course Rodgers is worth more right now..........but if you factor in that he won't compete NOW, then who is more valuable to HIS team.
The part where the picks were swapped for Turbin could probably be looked at as a completely separate deal, as well as Rodgers for Luck straight up.
Non PPR...ugh. I like Blackmon more than two Amendola's in a PPR format. In non-PPR, it's pretty brutal for the guy moving Blackmon.Non-ppr with contracts--both guys at same price.Amendola (3 years)forBlackmon (3 years)
So I'm not crazy. I gave Amendola and leaguemates saying I got the short end. Three years is a long time.Non PPR...ugh. I like Blackmon more than two Amendola's in a PPR format. In non-PPR, it's pretty brutal for the guy moving Blackmon.Non-ppr with contracts--both guys at same price.Amendola (3 years)forBlackmon (3 years)
if Ram had all those picks I think he could of done better than Ballard who might get replaced during this draftPhenix said:He then went and did this...Dr. Octopus said:I did miss that which definately changes things.jonboltz said:It is a 2QB league.Dr. Octopus said:I could see paying one of them to get Stafford perhaps - but then two top 3 picks for Moore and Tampa Mike? Way to waste value.KellysHeroes said:wow, collect all those picks and just give them away like that, pretty sadIn a 12 team PPR QB flex (can start two 2 QB, but only 4 Points for passing TD vs 6 for receiving/rushing), I made this trade. I got stafford. To give some context, with this trade, he owns 7 picks in top 8 of this draft. What do you all think?
- Rammer Jammer Crimson Tiders gave up Stafford, Matthew DET QB;Moore, Lance NOS WR;Williams, Mike TBB WR
- Offseason sucks! gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.01;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.03
- Rammer Jammer Crimson Tiders gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.04
- Warblenagers gave up Ballard, Vick IND RB
I know the ADP data since the Dola signing is limited in volume. But Blackmon is still going a round + earlier, and I have only been looking at PPR leagues.So I'm not crazy. I gave Amendola and leaguemates saying I got the short end. Three years is a long time.
I like the Crabtree and Clavin sides.Some interesting ones in a 12 Team Devy PPR with 6 Pt all TD
Team A Gave: M Ryan, C Givens, Dev 1.6
Team B Gave: M Crabtree
Team C Gave: D McFadden, K Rudolph, A Jeffery, R Randle, D Richardson
Team D Gave: Cal Johnson
Wow, talk about selling short on CJ.....awful IMO.Some interesting ones in a 12 Team Devy PPR with 6 Pt all TD
Team A Gave: M Ryan, C Givens, Dev 1.6
Team B Gave: M Crabtree
Team C Gave: D McFadden, K Rudolph, A Jeffery, R Randle, D Richardson
Team D Gave: Cal Johnson
I would want at least one decent player back if I trade Calvin.Some interesting ones in a 12 Team Devy PPR with 6 Pt all TD
Team A Gave: M Ryan, C Givens, Dev 1.6
Team B Gave: M Crabtree
Team C Gave: D McFadden, K Rudolph, A Jeffery, R Randle, D Richardson
Team D Gave: Cal Johnson
Depends on rosters and QB scoring but Romo is the best player in the trade. The unknowns on the Rivers/JStewart side are too many for me to give up a solid QB1.Team Alpha gives:RomoJarius WrightTeam Bravo gives:RiversJ. Stewart
Wow. Very little value back for Shorts, who I think is a dynasty WR2 right now. You'd be lucky to get a future WR2 with just about any WR in this draft, let alone one picked at 2.1.Really happy with this one--full rookie fever in effect I think. Our rookie draft just started ten minutes ago.
14 team PPR
Gave:
2.1
3.1
Got:
Cecil Shorts
3.5
Not a big fan of matthews so far, but, I would take matthews in a heartbeat on this dealOne More Rep said:Not big on Mathews but I would take him for this dealDr. Octopus said:12 team ppr: QB, 2RB, 3WR, TE, FL
- Team S gave up Jackson, Steven ATL RB;Rodgers, Jacquizz ATL RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.09
- Team L gave up Mathews, Ryan SDC RB;Cook, Jared STL TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.09
Just what I was thinking. He posted that he'd take a 1st for Shorts, so I threw this offer out there. To me this says that he didn't see ANY Jax games this year or he would have seen Shorts look like the real deal. Either way, the odds of getting someone that can match his production at the 15th overall pick...let's just say I'm very happy about my side.Wow. Very little value back for Shorts, who I think is a dynasty WR2 right now. You'd be lucky to get a future WR2 with just about any WR in this draft, let alone one picked at 2.1.Really happy with this one--full rookie fever in effect I think. Our rookie draft just started ten minutes ago.
14 team PPR
Gave:
2.1
3.1
Got:
Cecil Shorts
3.5
My concern is with Rodgers and Lynch but the team can't make the playoffs. I don't see Turbin Luck and a worse 1st round draft choice helping that change. I like Luck and having the Lynch handcuff is useful but no way they are worth Rodgers.I can't value Luck on par with Rodgers until he starts scoring as many fantasy points. Rodgers has a good 5 years at the very least, and is likely to score more points during that span.12 team PPR dynasty:
Aaron Rodgers
2014 1st (projected non playoff team)
for
Andrew Luck
Robert Turbin (other guy has Lynch)
2014 1st (projected playoff team)
Give me Rodgers.
There are no QBs left on WW. The best available are Matt Cassel and Hasselback...just to give you an ideaKellysHeroes said:in a "can" start 2 QB league(only 12 teams though so I suspect that the WW has some decent players) I guess Stafford is worth a little more than top 3 but not all 3 of them.Dr. Octopus said:I could see paying one of them to get Stafford perhaps - but then two top 3 picks for Moore and Tampa Mike? Way to waste value.KellysHeroes said:wow, collect all those picks and just give them away like that, pretty sadIn a 12 team PPR QB flex (can start two 2 QB, but only 4 Points for passing TD vs 6 for receiving/rushing), I made this trade. I got stafford. To give some context, with this trade, he owns 7 picks in top 8 of this draft. What do you all think?
- Rammer Jammer Crimson Tiders gave up Stafford, Matthew DET QB;Moore, Lance NOS WR;Williams, Mike TBB WR
- Offseason sucks! gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.01;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.03
gave up too much value for Jones. I am not sure now.12 Team PPR League:
Gave:
Marshall, Jennings, Vernon
Got:
Julio Jones
I think Julio is elite, but he's not going to match Marshall's short term production any time soon, in my opinion, which makes this deal close.12 Team PPR League:
Gave:Marshall, Jennings, Vernon
Got:
Julio Jones