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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter squistion
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25-man rosters, standard PPR scoring, no IDP, start 1QB/2RB/2WR/1TE/2 FLEX
Gave: WR Danario Alexander, 2013 2.05 rookie pick
Got: TE Tony Gonzalez
Context: Owner who traded Gonzalez has Rob Gronkowski on his roster; I had good depth at WR and am definitely in 'win now' mode.
Gave: WR Danario Alexander, 2013 2.05 rookie pick
Got: TE Tony Gonzalez
Context: Owner who traded Gonzalez has Rob Gronkowski on his roster; I had good depth at WR and am definitely in 'win now' mode.
JPeso
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Gave: Reggie Bush and Greg Jennings.
Got: Ray Rice and Joel Dreesen
Ppr superflex
Got: Ray Rice and Joel Dreesen
Ppr superflex
JPeso
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
And I will take a much improved shot at a title over something like pick 12 that has a pretty low chance of any success, let along long term success.
Depends on my roster makeup very much.
Besides, if the season doesnt go well for me I can just trade Gore for some future pick, MAYBE a 1st if I include a little something with him. If not, as long as he isnt sucking, he should fetch a 2nd, which is close enough to pick 12 that if that happened, I woudlnt consider it much of a loss.
Team A gives DeSean Jackson and Rashard Mendenhall
Team B gives 1.06
All TDs 6 points, PPR/IDP/return, QB/2RB/2WR/RB-WR/TE/2SuperFlex/2LB/2DL/2DB/IDP Flex. 40 man rosters
I fully expect DJax to return to late WR2 status, and I'm closer to EBFs opinion of Mendenhall than most peoples, but I couldn't turn down 1.06, which I'll likely flip again.
Team B gives 1.06
All TDs 6 points, PPR/IDP/return, QB/2RB/2WR/RB-WR/TE/2SuperFlex/2LB/2DL/2DB/IDP Flex. 40 man rosters
I fully expect DJax to return to late WR2 status, and I'm closer to EBFs opinion of Mendenhall than most peoples, but I couldn't turn down 1.06, which I'll likely flip again.
Spin
Footballguy
Start 1qb/2rb/3wr/1te/1flex(any)/idp ppr + return yards
Turd Furguson gave up:
Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.10
B.S. Inc gave up:
Moore, Lance NOS WR
Wayne, Reggie IND WR
Ayers, Akeem TEN LB
Johnson, James-Michael CLE LB
Year 2013 Draft Pick 5.07
Comments:
Turd to give BS Inc 43 snotes
Snotes are our FABB dollars. You get 75 per year and they carry over from year to year. They are also the only way to get RFAs once a contract has expired.
Turd currently had the most at 99 prior to this trade, and the 75 is handed out our rookie draft (June). I guess he really liked Wayne and felt ok giving half of his current snotes, knowing he was getting 75 more in a couple months.
I still prefer BS Inc's side of the trade.
Turd Furguson gave up:
Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.10
B.S. Inc gave up:
Moore, Lance NOS WR
Wayne, Reggie IND WR
Ayers, Akeem TEN LB
Johnson, James-Michael CLE LB
Year 2013 Draft Pick 5.07
Comments:
Turd to give BS Inc 43 snotes
Snotes are our FABB dollars. You get 75 per year and they carry over from year to year. They are also the only way to get RFAs once a contract has expired.
Turd currently had the most at 99 prior to this trade, and the 75 is handed out our rookie draft (June). I guess he really liked Wayne and felt ok giving half of his current snotes, knowing he was getting 75 more in a couple months.
I still prefer BS Inc's side of the trade.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I don't like the pick in this class.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
If you're making trades like this, I'm glad you're not it mine, too. See?-- win-win.
Yeah, I'm banking on getting another piece I prefer. I was getting a bit old in places, and I just feel like a rebuild.
Current roster post-trade without being able to access it exactly...
Kaep/Roethlisberger
Richardson/Rice/Stewart/Richardson/Ivory
Calvin/Nicks/Jennings/VBrown/Sanders
Witten/Cook/Bennett
Didn't have a first in this class until the trade.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Nice looking team.
I would have taken gonzalez for that. Gonzalez has 1 year maybe? If every other roster spot is solid and this is the missing link for winning it all, I can see it happening. Otherwise, no
Dawg Pound 69
Footballguy
Prefer the Blackmon side but don't fault other team for doing it if they need a RB for next few years.
matttyl
Footballguy
Breaking this down like a fraction....
V Jax and Blackmon are pretty close in my mind, obviously depending on team need
Jennings and S Jax are pretty close, but again depends on team needs. I'd rather have S Jax this year, rather have Jennings next most likely.
Maclin better than V Brown - #2 pick obviously better than 2.05 pick.
Killer Racoons I think wins now (S Jax and V Jax), and even wins long term with that pick.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Solid trade, but I like Blackmon a lot more than Jackson, so I would take that side, especially if had a starting level RB2 to play in place of Jackson.
Very close, however.
ETA: I view Blackmon as a top 11-12 guy, or, 3rd round startup pick. Jackson is top 20-25 - 4th round pick. Jackson is a 6th round startup pick. Trading a 4/6 for a 3 can be a solid move, value wise. If you assume Blackmon is close to the value of both Jackson's, the trade is in favor of the team getting Blackmon. If you don't see it that way, the other side likely wins.
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The league allows to even start 1 RB and I have Mccoy there. So, I was ok getting rid of SJax. I can start 4 WRs and hence the trade to get more WRs and also try to get younger by trading for Blackmon/Macline and giving away VJax. Jennings was more to even out the trade I guess. Not sure what Vincent Brown can do. Took a chance trading him away.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I really like it for you, then. If you don't need to start 2 RBs, Jackson's value takes a major hit. I'd gladly take the Blackmon+ side.
I would as well regardless of team makeup. For non-elite guys, if you have the discipline to keep "winning" trades like this on the value side, the edge here plus an edge there can become huge.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I think this is very cheap for Jordy, in my opinion. At the very least, it's well below market value, based on ADP.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yeah, Jordy side REAL easy. WOuld give you a 10x better chance to parlay that into a stud with a follow up trade.
Or just keep Jordy and score a lot more than jeffrey will
It would depend on the league as to what I thought I could flip Jordy for, but overall, I prefer Jeffery and the 2014 1st, especially if there is a decent chance the pick would fall in the 1.06-1.09 range.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Is pick, let's say 11, this year really worth more than Gore? Gore will go way the hell before the 11th rookie in startup drafts.
I would also think pairing Gore with something else to a RB needy team, or a team looking for RB depth, could get you a much better player or pick in return than pick 11 would.
If you plan to make several more trades (which we both of course do), I would have to think Gore gives a MUCH better chance from now until the start of the season to help parlay that into more value than pick 11.
Now if your plan is to deal Gore for pick 11 and actually draft someone to keep, then yeah, in a year that pick will have more value than Gore unless it is a total flop.
JPeso
Footballguy
At some point you have to remove yourself from the trade value/ADP bubble and nestle in to the undervalued vs. fair valued vs. overvalued bubble.
The goal is two-fold - win and remain marketable, but what if you can do both at the same time? I can tell you that you cannot and will not do both of these solely relying on market indicators and letting them keep you from making trades out of your favor now with a futures bet.
The goal is two-fold - win and remain marketable, but what if you can do both at the same time? I can tell you that you cannot and will not do both of these solely relying on market indicators and letting them keep you from making trades out of your favor now with a futures bet.
JPeso
Footballguy
It's certainly below market, but..Concept Coop said:
gianmarco internal conversation: "hmm, Jordy Nelson is very fair valued, perhaps overvalued." *looks at all 11 rosters* "hmm, who does Owner A through K have that is undervalued." He probably tries with 6 different owners a similar deal, but finds that 4 of the 6 don't even want Jordy at his market value, 1 of the 6 only trades if he rapes, and the last 1 of the 6 is willing to do the above deal. For him, presumably, lineup is not a huge risk (i.e. probably fine without Jordy), and further the guy he dealt Jordy to probably isn't stacking up to his squad anyways. A lot of these deals that look like big sell lows are damn near out of necessity. Some owners are willing to hold through it, others would rather invest in what they feel is undervalued.
ADP has a way of making us feel like guys are worth more than they are, because we have something to point to - "Jordy Nelson should net me "x" and nothing less!" In actuality, I'm sure gianmarco shopped Jordy all he could before he got the deal above. With that said, he's probably not asking around about the Andre's and Roddy's of the world when dealing Jordy. That isn't the point of the trade. He's trying to pick up an additional piece while getting a player he feels is undervalued - another reason why market value/ADP concept in an established league becomes really tough to lean on, or else you typically end up holding because you feel entitled to more of an exit gift basket.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I certainly understand that. Replace Jeffery with Shorts III and I think hard about this deal, despite ADP. Jeffery just isn’t one of those guys for me; hence my thoughts on the trade. If one likes Jeffery as much as I like Shorts, I get this deal.
ADP is important context, however, in my opinion. As you point out, you’re not going to win many trades without being willing to deal outside of ADP at times. It is just an indicator of average market value and the best way we have to measure it.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Im not sure what you mean by fluke. If you are asking whether I think his 280+ points in PPR in 2012 is his norm, than no, I don’t think he’ll be producing in that range regularly. I think he is a solid WR though, just not one that has potential to be special. He is also turning 28, and I typically don’t like having guys 28 and older (I’ll make an exception for Calvin) since by that age they become declining assets.Concept Coop said:
That is not to say that he doesn’t have value. He can be productive and does have trade value, but taking all of this into account, I’d rather take the shot at the upside in Jeffery and the 1.6-1.9 to continue to grow the team.
Now as for Jeffery, I don’t feel that strongly about him either way (just haven’t seen enough yet in the NFL), and he could end up being a bust, but I do like the glimpses of what I have seen thus far, and he has the potential to be very good. If he shows anything in games in the next year (or two), I think his value by itself could catch Nelson’s at that time. If he has a good year, his value should surpass Nelson’s fairly easily. I certainly wouldn’t trade Nelson for Jeffery straight up right now for that potential alone, but give me the 1.6-1.9 for another chance at big potential and I like that value.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I think I better understand your stance now. I don't discount for age at the same point and think Nelson turns in a top 12 season next year, which would increase his value over what it is today, despite the additional year.
Like you, I don't have a strong read on Jeffery. I liked him a lot after his sophmore year, then not so much after his junior year. Last year didn't push me one way or the other.
Probably about the same in this league due to Geno's increased value, I just tossed in Mendenhall.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Couple trades went down in my 16 team PPR/IDP league this week:
Greg Jennings for 1.11
And
Roethlisberger for Welker + 2.12 (Roethlisberger owner also has Matt Ryan)
Greg Jennings for 1.11
And
Roethlisberger for Welker + 2.12 (Roethlisberger owner also has Matt Ryan)
EBF
Footballguy
I'd be happy to cash out DX for that. There's always the slim chance that he makes you regret it, but let's get real. Three years in the league with a career best of 658 receiving yards. The Rams let him walk a year ago. The Chargers gave him a low tender this offseason. The tea leaves don't bode well. He's obviously got some talent, but his knees are a constant problem that seems likely to hound him forever.
I think he's a strong contender for the annual "most overrated dynasty WR" award (aka the Brandon Lloyd Trophy).
LBH
Footballguy
Dez and the pick for me. I like Wilson but his hype is a little out of control IMO.
LBH
Footballguy
This is Gian for sure, and a correct view of how to look at trades and value in established leagues with veteran owners IMO
I think everyone realizes that there's a decent chance that DX is irrelevant in the near future (mainly due to injury risk), but it seems you generally ignore the reality that those draft picks have an even greater chance to be irrelevant.EBF said:
Probably fair in terms of value, but I'll take the gamble with DX at that price.
LBH
Footballguy
To each his own
I understand the knucklehead factor but I prefer the young stud WR coming off a huge year over paying elite RB price for a RB that may or may not give elite production. I think that people are underestimating Andre Browns impact on Wilson's ceiling for 2013. I don't think the trade is uneven considering Wilson market value and that Floyd was a mid first last year. Just like the more proven stud vs the maybes
gianmarco
Footballguy
This is pretty much exactly the case. I post most of these deals to give an idea of values and mindsets of certain owners. Not all trades fit within the comfort zone of other owners.
For reference, we start 3 WRs in this league (which has been around since 2007, so quite established) and I currently own: AJG/Julio/DT/Torrey/Hilton at WR (plus other smaller pieces like Sanders, McCluster, etc.). While Jordy is an excellent WR from a production standpoint, his loss isn't going to change my starting lineup much at all barring some major issues. His trade value is nowhere near his production value. So I can be stubborn and keep his points on my bench or I can target a couple underrated targets and see what I can get. There's a very reasonable chance I "lose" this deal and end up with 2 pieces that don't end up ever equaling Jordy's production. However, if that happens, it shouldn't change my overall team very much and I accept that risk. But, there's also a chance that Jeffery surpasses Jordy's value on his own. The extra 1st is more of "icing" to me. Add in the fact that I already have two 1sts next year, getting a 3rd has more of a cumulative effect, IMO, being able to later bundle for value.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I will take Dez real easy here. I would only look at the offer again to make sure it was correct.
