JPeso
Footballguy
Before 2012-2013, yes. But he didn't take the steps I needed him to take. I'll take Eli over Locker ever so slightly and dependent on team, but Locker is sugar here.
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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (4 Viewers)
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I never responded to your "So he is a nobody? Gotcha" post because I thought being such a prominent contributor to dynasty threads and having no idea, even after the draft, who Chris Harper is, and then admitting it, made you look bad enough.But you're making it worse.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I coudlnt even consider dealing Cook for Cameron. Us Browns fans are VERY worried about our TE situation.JPeso said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Absolute stealGarrett said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I saw he got drafted, that's it. Never heard of him before, and still barely know anything about him. Pretty sure knowing or not knowing who this guy is won't ruin all my dynasty teams.ConnSKINS26 said:
But I am so sad it made me look bad. I must be terrible at everything relating to dynasty.
Harper remains on my do not draft list.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Traded 1.1
For Chris Harper
Not sure who he is but I hear he's a mega stud
JK
For Chris Harper
Not sure who he is but I hear he's a mega stud
JK
gianmarco
Footballguy
And why is that? You have two coaches that are the elite in turning tight ends into gold. I'd think as a Browns fan you'd know that. The fact that they don't seem worried at all by completely ignoring the position in the draft despite some serious depth at the position this year means they have some serious confidence in Cameron. I couldn't move Cook for Cameron fast enough.
beerbarron
Footballguy
Was offered D Mcfadden for the 1.05 and 1.07 in a ppr, idp 14 team league... meh.. ill take my chances with the two mid picks..
thurston4040
Footballguy
12 team PPR
GAVE
Steven Jackson
Danario Alexander
GOT
Lamar Miller
Kendall Wright
GAVE
Steven Jackson
Danario Alexander
GOT
Lamar Miller
Kendall Wright
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
You should have at least included Virgil Green on the 1.01 side to balance things out a bit.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
1.01 is still a huge, huge underpay for Cam even if he never develops one bit, and merely continues his top 5 performance.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Spike
Footballguy
I'm in the league and I thought the offer I sent him that he turned down (my Brandon Marshall for his Gronk) was better than this one that was accepted.
Bamac
Footballguy
Yeah, I'd take Marshall or Gronk over that crew.
Warhogs
Footballguy
I won't disagree with anyone but this one may be more about knowing your owners in a league. This guy was looking to fill multiple holes and from playing with him quite a while I know he puts a lot less emphasis on age than many others do. I basically asked him for a list of guys he was interested in and knowing what his needs were I gave him the RB he asked about, two starting WR for him and a starting LB where he also needed help. Had the guy offering Marshall included something like Holmes or Hilton, a decent RB and Perry Riley that may have gotten it done. I realize this other team is limited by only having Richardson and Matthews and very little depth at RB but I think the guy trading Gronk felt he got 4 starters for Gronk. I'm not sure Knowshon will be a starter but he could be and the Gronk owner was high on him. Again, I think the key was if the other owner offered Marshall and two other starting players this guy would have liked that offer better.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Gronk has to be the top buy low target, based on recent trades in this thread. It's a forearm, not an ACL. He'll be fine.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
What trash TEs have they turned to gold? As a Browns fan I saw that Cameron is going to have a TON of trouble. And they didnt ignore the position, they went after all of the top free agent TEs. As a Browns fan, I KNOW that.
Also, we had pick 6 and no other picks in the 1st or 2nd. My guess is they didnt like the rest of the TEs enough to take one after the top few guys were gone.
But by your logic, they must also have some serious confidence in Weeden because they didnt draft a QB, right?
I hope he does well, I just dont see it.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I will take Sjax and Johnson here. If Johnson has 1-2 good year, that is 1-2 more than I think Ballard will every have.
Jordy has a lot of upside, but is no sure thing for a big year.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
you are correct, even though your offer was also bad.
Maybe not "bad" but no way I would do that if I had Gronk
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Warhogs
Footballguy
I won't comment on that. I am only saying that the guy offering Brandon Marshall probably could have gotten the deal done had he just added a couple more starting players to his offer.
EBF
Footballguy
I don't even like Gronk, but that's an awful deal.
Young difference makers aren't easy to come by. They're like the Lebrons, Shaqs, Kobes, and Durants of FF. You need to build around those guys, not sell them off for a bunch of small parts. The longer I play this game, the more I hate those deals where you shift an in-his-prime superstar for a bunch of depth to fill out your roster. I haven't put in the time to figure out the math of why I think these deals are so bad, but I think it's primarily a matter of scarcity and replaceability. You can always find a veteran WR2-WR3 or RB2 to fill out your roster. A first round pick in any given rookie draft should always be able to net you that kind of player. Even a waiver pick like Hartline can fill that role for you.
On the flipside, the perennial difference makers like Marshall, Fitzgerald, and Calvin are extremely hard to find. You let one of those guys slip through your fingers and it might be years until you get another realistic chance at a player of that caliber.
I think the best philosophy is to get as many of those guys as possible and fill in the gaps with leftovers. That means turning down those 1-for-2 or 1-for-3 deals, tempting as the prospect of filling an immediate need might be.
Young difference makers aren't easy to come by. They're like the Lebrons, Shaqs, Kobes, and Durants of FF. You need to build around those guys, not sell them off for a bunch of small parts. The longer I play this game, the more I hate those deals where you shift an in-his-prime superstar for a bunch of depth to fill out your roster. I haven't put in the time to figure out the math of why I think these deals are so bad, but I think it's primarily a matter of scarcity and replaceability. You can always find a veteran WR2-WR3 or RB2 to fill out your roster. A first round pick in any given rookie draft should always be able to net you that kind of player. Even a waiver pick like Hartline can fill that role for you.
On the flipside, the perennial difference makers like Marshall, Fitzgerald, and Calvin are extremely hard to find. You let one of those guys slip through your fingers and it might be years until you get another realistic chance at a player of that caliber.
I think the best philosophy is to get as many of those guys as possible and fill in the gaps with leftovers. That means turning down those 1-for-2 or 1-for-3 deals, tempting as the prospect of filling an immediate need might be.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Trying to take another step in a little rebuild here. 12 teams, PPR.
Gave:
Matt Ryan
Sidney Rice
Got:
Victor Cruz
Matt Barkley
2014 3rd
In the last couple weeks, through 5-6 trades, I've turned this: (major pieces only)
Matt Ryan
LeSean McCoy, Trent Richardson, Darren McFadden, Beanie Wells
Kenny Britt, Miles Austin, Jon Baldwin, Sidney Rice, Rod Streater
Vernon Davis, Lance Kendricks
Into this:
Matt Barkley
LeSean McCoy, Trent Richardson, David Wilson, Eddie Lacy, Beanie Wells
Victor Cruz, Josh Gordon, Cordarrelle Patterson, Miles Austin, Jon Baldwin, Rod Streater
Travis Kelce, Lance Kendricks
I've still got work to do at QB and TE, but it's coming along. I feel that I can fill the hole at QB with a cheap veteran for now and not lose enough to matter significantly, looking at what I've gained. And a cheap vet like Martellus Bennet or Greg Olson maybe can fill in at TE and probably outscore the disappointing Vernon Davis as Kelce develops.
Overall I feel I've killed it, although I'll miss Ryan. Every other move has improved me across the board IMO. Vernon Davis especially was more name value than anything else.
Gave:
Matt Ryan
Sidney Rice
Got:
Victor Cruz
Matt Barkley
2014 3rd
In the last couple weeks, through 5-6 trades, I've turned this: (major pieces only)
Matt Ryan
LeSean McCoy, Trent Richardson, Darren McFadden, Beanie Wells
Kenny Britt, Miles Austin, Jon Baldwin, Sidney Rice, Rod Streater
Vernon Davis, Lance Kendricks
Into this:
Matt Barkley
LeSean McCoy, Trent Richardson, David Wilson, Eddie Lacy, Beanie Wells
Victor Cruz, Josh Gordon, Cordarrelle Patterson, Miles Austin, Jon Baldwin, Rod Streater
Travis Kelce, Lance Kendricks
I've still got work to do at QB and TE, but it's coming along. I feel that I can fill the hole at QB with a cheap veteran for now and not lose enough to matter significantly, looking at what I've gained. And a cheap vet like Martellus Bennet or Greg Olson maybe can fill in at TE and probably outscore the disappointing Vernon Davis as Kelce develops.
Overall I feel I've killed it, although I'll miss Ryan. Every other move has improved me across the board IMO. Vernon Davis especially was more name value than anything else.
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Bamac
Footballguy
12 team ppr. Start 1/2/3/1 and a flex. Gave GronkGot Ray RiceNot a value play, but needed the RB. Squad is now (in relevant part)eytonRice, Morris, GoreCruz, Roddy, Amendola, GarçonHernandez, Cook, Cameron
Think I got caught in the crossfire there.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Yeah, I assume he was referencing the Gronk for four pieces trade posted a bit earlier.12 team ppr. Start 1/2/3/1 and a flex. Gave GronkGot Ray RiceNot a value play, but needed the RB. Squad is now (in relevant part)Think I got caught in the crossfire there.
The_Head_Ape
Footballguy
10 team start-2-QB
Bradford
Nicks
Mallett
For
Cam
The guy getting Mallett owns Brady FWIW
Bradford
Nicks
Mallett
For
Cam
The guy getting Mallett owns Brady FWIW
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Wasn't involved but 12 team PPR league.
A rebuilding team sent:
Peyton Manning
Colston
Robert Meachem
3.5 (29th overall)
For
Matt Ryan
Ashlon Jeffrey
2.7 (19th overall)
Manning owner had nothing outside of Manning, and has Blackmon and Bowe at WR so downgraded to get younger just a bit.
A rebuilding team sent:
Peyton Manning
Colston
Robert Meachem
3.5 (29th overall)
For
Matt Ryan
Ashlon Jeffrey
2.7 (19th overall)
Manning owner had nothing outside of Manning, and has Blackmon and Bowe at WR so downgraded to get younger just a bit.
I'm nobody so my opinion doesn't matter as long as you like what you did. But for conversation's sake, I think you were better off before. Barkley would be ok as a backup/developmental QB, but I just couldn't put my faith in him. Especially in a start one QB league.
Getting Cruz is nice, but I think Britt, Austin and Rice with Ryan as my QB is better than Cruz, Gordon, Austin with Barkley at QB.
I also like Vernon Davis. Hey may not score consistently every week, but I think his overall numbers will rank top 10 in TEs.
Getting Lacy and David Wison is nice, but aren't they just backups to McCoy and Richardson anyway? I don't know the format of your league so maybe that would change my mind,
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
First off, thank you for the response and input!I'm not done at QB, Barkley will be depth at best when I'm done. He was a throw in. I can't even reasonably expect him to definitely see an NFL field this year. I'm in the hunt for a guy like Dalton/Schaub/Rivers or hopefully Romo, right now, so QB isn't done. I just felt getting Cruz for Ryan was the best move I could make since I could fairly cheaply recover at QB before the season starts without too much of a loss. Vernon Davis ending up in the top ten isn't that special, especially when it's not consistent. Low-end TE1's and high-end TE2's are a dime a dozen so I feel I cashed in on his name and can trade for a cheap replacement sometime in the next three months.I can start up to 3 RB's every week so Wilson/Lacy will start for me most likely, if that helps any. Plus, I basically got them and Gordon for DMC and Britt, so I feel that whether I could start them or not I came out ahead in that one.
bengalbuck
Footballguy
I like Jordy, but he is very TD dependent so in my mind he isn't a sure thing for a big PPR season. He has never had 70 catches and he has never had 100 targets. He is 28 and has a career total of a little over 200 catches. He just is not a lock to get a bunch of receptions.Due to that, he is less of a sure thing than guys who regularly get 150+ targets. Could he have a career year with 80+catches? Sure. Could he have another year with only 60 some catches but score 15 TDs to make up for the low catch #? Sure. That is why he has very nice upside. But isn't as safe as the top tier PPR WRs.
cstu
Footballguy
He was on pace for 90 catches through 7 games before he was injured. With Jennings gone and the amount the Packers throw the ball I think he can catch 5 a game (80 catches) fairly easily. As for the TD's, if you expect Rodgers to throw close to 40 who else is going to catch them? He's pretty close to a lock for 10 in that offense. 80/1200/10 (low WR1 numbers) doesn't seem very far fetched.bengalbuck said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
That is a huge part of it. I can never say a 28 year old is a sure thing when he has only had one good season.cstu said:
But for this deal, I dont value Ballard as being worth much, so that is why I lean Sjax/JOhnson
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I have stories upon stories about how I could not get deals done with BAD owners when I was clearly offering more than the person they eventually did a deal with.Warhogs said:
Just, the whole reasoning of what that other owner needed to get the deal done just screams bad owner. He was limiting himself by saying he had to have "3-4 starters" or whatever. Starter does not always = "good".
I had a guy once who was shopping both Cam Newton and Arian Foster. And by shopping both I mean he HAD to deal both in the same deal. Meaning, he would not deal Newton to one owner, and Foster to another...............he HAD to deal both away in a package. This may have been the single dumbest thing I have ever seen an owner do.
He limited his trading partners to only like 1-2 people because of this, hence, limiting how much he could get instead of trading each guy individually. Also, he was rebuilding and for some reason thought it was a good idea to trade Newton, but that's a whole different conversation of what NOT to do for a rebuild.
Easily he could have gotten more for both guys had he shopped each separately. I actually offered a deal for just Foster that was pretty good, and the deal he eventually took made me laugh when I saw what I was giving him for Foster, knowing he still would have had Newton.
Much the guy with Marshall in your example, it was a classic case where I couldn't get a deal done with this owner because for some reason he would not allow himself to get the best deals he could, and he was willing to take less by dealing both together for some odd reason.
Phenix
Footballguy
- Bringing Out the Big Guns gave up Gerhart, Toby MIN RB; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from Gooney Birds
- Kiss My Ring gave up Ballard, Vick IND RB
Concept Coop
Footballguy
He was a 2nd round pick, has good measurables, and pllays for the best QB in the league. The only two years in which he started he had great seasons - one was simpy cut short. Health assumed, I'd say he's a near lock for 75/1,000/10.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Jordy is hugely under-rated. The guy can flat out play football. He's a legit dynasty WR1 IMO. Unfortunately his owners in every league I'm in see the light on him also.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I agree. Cobb has been crowned but Jordy is unproven? Doesn't make sense to me. I can understand valuing Cobb more. But the logic or reasoning should be consistant, at least.
