samkongado
Footballguy
Justin Hunter
for
Dennis Pitta
2014 2nd round pick
for
Dennis Pitta
2014 2nd round pick
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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (2 Viewers)
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Ignoring handcuff concerns I'd take Brown. Higher floor in a timeshare. Higher ceiling if Wilson gets hurt or doghoused (not that I think that will happen).
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Seems like 2 2nds for a mid 1st. Those trades rarely work out. Dobson is a decent opportunity play but I don't anticipate this deal looking favorable to Dobber's side next year.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
I felt the same way. The other owner has Bradshaw. I shopped T.Y. Hilton for RB depth and nothing came of it (I would want more than a Brown-level guy for Hilton), so I like giving Ballard and getting Brown as my RB4 AND keeping Hilton and my WR6.thriftyrocker said:
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
J Stewart
for
Bradford and Leshoure (R Bush owner)
for
Bradford and Leshoure (R Bush owner)
cusefan115
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Graham hasn't produced to Gronk's level yet, despite commonly being referred to as 1a or 1b in dynasty at TE. If Gronk fully recovers there's no reason why that won't continue. Plus there's a decent age gap there.
squistion
Footballguy
If you look at the staff rankings (or just about any dynasty rankings) they are consistently falling at TE #1 and #2 and when tiers are given they alone are in the top tier. It is true that Graham is usually ranked above Gronk, there but are some among the rankers who prefer Gronk. I think while a majority of people would prefer Graham, they would not consider Gronk that much of a step down.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
A.) It is close.
and
B.) The only reason it's close is because Gronk is banged up right this instant. Gronk is 2 1/2 years younger and has destroyed Graham in terms of production.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
It all balances out with the age of their respective qb's
Phenix
Footballguy
- Bringing Out the Big Guns gave up Edelman, Julian NEP WR; Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR; Cook, Jared STL TE; Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick
Champtastics gave up Ingram, Mark NOS RB; Jackson, Vincent TBB WR; Olsen, Greg CAR TE
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
12 tm startup 0.5ppr
3.6 (gronk)
For
3.8 (dmc)
2014 2nd
3.6 (gronk)
For
3.8 (dmc)
2014 2nd
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Dez
Footballguy
And last year some guys in the Staff rankings still had Gates rated in top 5 in dynasty TE's I have learned not to look at their rankings for dynasty they are very poor in most accounts.
Dez
Footballguy
Not sure I am posting any more ridiculous trades then the rest of the people so not sure what your getting at. I am sure everyone in your leagues are all superstar traders.
One of the staffers has Gronk at #3 in dynasty with V-Davis at #2...exhibit A of why I don't even look at them.
TheWick
Footballguy
A gave up Palmer, Carson ARI QB;Murray, Latavius OAK RB;Richardson, Daryl STL RB; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from Atown
Touchdown There
Footballguy
I would put Floyd on the trade block but other than that nice Wilson snag.
Shawnky
Footballguy
Destroyed? Hardly.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
In the last 2 years Graham has averaged 16.65 points per game in PPR for 29 games. He missed one game and I didn't include week 17 since most leagues are done.
Gronk on the other hand has averaged 19.5 points per game in PPR for 25 games. He missed 5 games last year.
Almost 3 points a game difference between the top tight end and the next closest tight end in PPR for the last two years is a BIG difference.
Shawnky
Footballguy
No it isn't.
TheWick
Footballguy
Middle of the pack...Owner needed Palmer to free him up to trade Kaepernick or Russ Wilson.
The added bonus of getting rid of JStew was the best part of it.
Bamac
Footballguy
I agree with your general point. But don't forget that Jimmy played through injury last year, knocking down his ppg, while Gronk sat out, leaving his ppg intact.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
3 PPG is a big difference. As Bamac said, part of that is due to Jimmy being hampered. But 3 PPG is a very big difference.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
12 TM; 1 PPR; QRRWWWTF
A Gave: L.Bell, R.Woods, O. Daniels, 3rd
B Gave: V.Jackson, T.Eifert, 2nd
A Gave: L.Bell, R.Woods, O. Daniels, 3rd
B Gave: V.Jackson, T.Eifert, 2nd
Instinctive
Footballguy
Just to put 3 ppg in perspective, that's basically the difference between Adrian Peterson and Frank Gore over their careers.
Adrian Peterson: 17.00 PPG
Frank Gore: 13.06 PPG
I'd have looked for a more perfect 3 ppt, but this was just a hunch and I don't really have the time to look up others and check. Bottom line: 3-4 ppg is HUGE for value. Gronk has absolutely dominated Graham in FF point production.
Adrian Peterson: 17.00 PPG
Frank Gore: 13.06 PPG
I'd have looked for a more perfect 3 ppt, but this was just a hunch and I don't really have the time to look up others and check. Bottom line: 3-4 ppg is HUGE for value. Gronk has absolutely dominated Graham in FF point production.
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
10 Team 10 player keeper (I am not involved)......
Team A gives Reggie Wayne
Team B gives Antonio Brown
Team A needed a young keeper WR and Team B wanted the better 1 year option in his opinion.
Team A gives Reggie Wayne
Team B gives Antonio Brown
Team A needed a young keeper WR and Team B wanted the better 1 year option in his opinion.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
The market value is really off, here. I'd much rather add to Brown to get AJ or Jackson, than move him straight up for Wayne.
As SSOG points out - eventually father time catches up, and he's not nice. It's far from a lock that 34/35 YO Wayne is as productive as 33/34 YO Wayne. Age matters, even when using a 1 year window.
I think there's a decent chance Brown out scores Wayne this coming year.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Almost 3ppg (Gronk vs Graham) is absolutely huge.
If all eight of your Q/R/W/T starters outscored the positional average by that margin every week you'd you'd go 10-3 (on average) in a 13 week season.
If all eight of your Q/R/W/T starters outscored the positional average by that margin every week you'd you'd go 10-3 (on average) in a 13 week season.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
And that is 3 over baseline. Not 3 over the #2 option at the position. The higher you get above baseline, when comparing 2 players, the more the point differential matters; the less likely it is that your opponents bridge that gap.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
In one of my standard PPR 1/2/3 + 1 flex
Darren McFadden + 2014 1st (from what looks like the worst team in the league on paper)
for
James Jones and Julian Edelman
Not involved and obviously god awful.
Darren McFadden + 2014 1st (from what looks like the worst team in the league on paper)
for
James Jones and Julian Edelman
Not involved and obviously god awful.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Some injuries can be played through some can't, Gronk has played when he was banged up too. It is still a big differenceBamac said:
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cstu
Footballguy
This trade makes no sense even if the pick is from the best team in the league.If it's the team that traded McFadden and the pick away, I tend to beleive it
nirad3
Footballguy
I'm in a complete teardown-and-rebuild and currently have a glut of young talent.
I have Manuel, Tannehill and Ponder at QB.
I'm beefy at DL with JPP and Watt, and have Ansah waiting in the wings. Obviously a spot I can trade away from.
I have a glut of young talent at WR with Austin, Jeffrey, Woods, Hunter, Dobson and Patton being the best names. Another spot I feel somewhat comfortable trading from.
I'm looking to upgrade QB (obviously), and am trying to work a deal for Andrew Luck.
Likely a no-brainer, but....
Luck (open contract)
for
Tannehill (open)
Jeffrey (5 years)
Ansah (open)
My potential trade partner is also looking at Kevin Minter (open contract) as well. Trying to hold him but would consider adding him as the fourth component to add Luck. FWIW, I have Kuechly, Laurinaitis and Mercilus as top LB talent.
Thoughts?
I have Manuel, Tannehill and Ponder at QB.
I'm beefy at DL with JPP and Watt, and have Ansah waiting in the wings. Obviously a spot I can trade away from.
I have a glut of young talent at WR with Austin, Jeffrey, Woods, Hunter, Dobson and Patton being the best names. Another spot I feel somewhat comfortable trading from.
I'm looking to upgrade QB (obviously), and am trying to work a deal for Andrew Luck.
Likely a no-brainer, but....
Luck (open contract)
for
Tannehill (open)
Jeffrey (5 years)
Ansah (open)
My potential trade partner is also looking at Kevin Minter (open contract) as well. Trying to hold him but would consider adding him as the fourth component to add Luck. FWIW, I have Kuechly, Laurinaitis and Mercilus as top LB talent.
Thoughts?
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nirad3
Footballguy
Assuming Team A is rebuilding, this is a solid deal for them. Talent will be rich next year and while Bailey has some upside and Smith has "win now" value, I think I'd rather have the speculative pick.
BlackMamba24
Footballguy
I would take the pick here, even "A" wasn't planning on using the pick, it will have some trade value
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deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
12 team PPR:
Team A trades:
Darren McFadden
Brandon Marshall
$30 bid dollars
Team B trades:
David Wilson
Larry Fitzgerald
Team A trades:
Darren McFadden
Brandon Marshall
$30 bid dollars
Team B trades:
David Wilson
Larry Fitzgerald
