squistion
Footballguy
That seems pretty even, depending on your views of the value and upside of each player - I can see a strong case being made for either side of the deal.
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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter squistion
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I just traded Ivory for Givens in a 12 PPR. We can start up to 5 WR and 0 RBs but I think I sold low.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Yeah I know. I think Givens has really good potential but wish I would have went after Shorts instead. Got caught up in trade fever.
leedoglaw
Footballguy
Instinctive
Footballguy
12 Team PPR
Cecil Shorts
For
Mike Williams
Cecil Shorts
For
Mike Williams
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Instinctive
Footballguy
Why? Really like Mike. Underrated this year because people are worried about his year two, IMO.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
10 team I will take the 2014 1st I think, as long as you have other Tes of course. Also depends how you project the 1st.
leedoglaw
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Ivory, Bennett and 2013 1.11
for
Amendola and 2014 first (borderline playoff)
for
Amendola and 2014 first (borderline playoff)
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Brees, Colston, 2014 second (non playoff team)
for
Kapernick, Blackmon, 2014 first(from playoff team)
for
Kapernick, Blackmon, 2014 first(from playoff team)
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JFS171
Footballguy
Anyone seen any recent Ballard trades (post-Bradshaw signing)?
Been offered the Cinci D (may need it - 4th in our league last year) and 2.5 (21st overall - 16 teamer). May also be able to get two seconds - 2.5, 2.6 (21st & 22nd overall) for him... just not sure what the going rate is for the guy.
Been offered the Cinci D (may need it - 4th in our league last year) and 2.5 (21st overall - 16 teamer). May also be able to get two seconds - 2.5, 2.6 (21st & 22nd overall) for him... just not sure what the going rate is for the guy.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
the going rate should have been crap before Bradshaw even signed. I see the guy as totally worthless. Take the two 2nds
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I would think a team with Brees and Colston would generally have a chance to compete, so if this is any kind of rebuild it's a GREAT trade to get Kap, Blackmon, and a 1st.
If you are not rebuilding, it's still a good trade.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
They were playoff team the last 3 years in the league, finished 3rd, 4th, and 6th. Aging team and I think they decided to blow it up.
cstu
Footballguy
I think the team is better off after this trade. Kaep is a short term downgrade but Blackmon and the 1st are big upgrade over Colston/2nd.
Kleck
Footballguy
12 team, PPR w/ flex.
Draft day trades:
1.10 = Robert Woods
Draft day trades:
- Team A gave up Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.08;Year 2013 Draft Pick 5.12
- Team B gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.09;Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.09
- Team C gave up Cameron, Jordan CLE TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.05;Year 2013 Draft Pick 5.04
- Team D gave up Witten, Jason DAL TE
- Team D gave up Cobb, Randall GBP WR
- Team E gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.05;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.10
1.10 = Robert Woods
- Team C gave up Alexander, Danario SDC WR
- Team E gave up Pitta, Dennis BAL TE
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well, Blackmon is a big downgrade from Colston this year, also. So this deal downgrades his team in 2013 pretty significantly. Also in 2014 assuming Colston has a couple good years in him.
But......if he is indeed blowing it up, excellent start
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I like Cecil's upside a lot more. Mike is an NFL WR2 with fantasy mid-to-low WR2 upside, in my opinion. Cecil is unproven, but looks to be a playmaker. The concern for me is health - I'm sold on the talent, personally.
biju
Footballguy
Love the picks side for J-Stew.
I think someone got ripped off trading away Witten.
Someone sold Cobb cheap (regardless of where you stand on the guy, this is lower than current asking prices for PPR).
Pitta by a mile as I have zero confidence Alexander can stay healthy.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
This is one I did.
Gave 1.01
Got 1.03 and 2014 first (non playoff team)
PPR scoring, other team loved Austin, Bernard went second and I took Bell.
Gave 1.01
Got 1.03 and 2014 first (non playoff team)
PPR scoring, other team loved Austin, Bernard went second and I took Bell.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I believe he is, he is also shopping Gore, and Steve Smith without much luck. I haven't asked about them but I have a feeling his price is too steep
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well, I think the starting point for each of those guys would be a 2014 1st, maybe a couple 2nds.
If I am rebuilding, I would easily deal either guy for ANY 2014 1st or any two future 2nds. Any two 2nds really.
Maybe that is too much for Smith, but not Gore, not with the positional scarcity out there.
Someone may take both in a package for a 2014 1st and 2nd..........which I would also look at doing if I had both Gore and Smth
beef
Footballguy
Dez
Footballguy
flysack
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Yes, he overpaid, but if the owner of the 1.03 really believes in Austin and doesn't care for the other top picks, then giving up a low first next year to move up to get the player he wants would be worth it. And if doesn't acquire him now, he might not get another shot in the future (not agreeing with the trade, but I understand the logic).
Concept Coop
Footballguy
mashedbananas
Footballguy
10 Team 1 QB 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE 1K 1 D 20 man roster
I am in rebuild mode
Traded: Reggie Bush and Tom Brady
Got: Johnathan Franklin, Reuben Randle, 2014 !st and 2014 2nd. Unfortunately, the draft picks will probably be late in the the round-guessing 9 or 10 in round.
Roster
QB R.Wilson, Locker
RB T Richardson, D Murray, L Miller, G Bernard, J Franklin
WR (ouch for this year) G Jennings, T.Y. Hilton, J Gordon, J Blackmon, V Brown, C Givens, R Randle, Q Patterson
TE V Davis, J Cook
I am in rebuild mode
Traded: Reggie Bush and Tom Brady
Got: Johnathan Franklin, Reuben Randle, 2014 !st and 2014 2nd. Unfortunately, the draft picks will probably be late in the the round-guessing 9 or 10 in round.
Roster
QB R.Wilson, Locker
RB T Richardson, D Murray, L Miller, G Bernard, J Franklin
WR (ouch for this year) G Jennings, T.Y. Hilton, J Gordon, J Blackmon, V Brown, C Givens, R Randle, Q Patterson
TE V Davis, J Cook
ghostguy123
Footballguy
You got hosed, BADLY.
Edit..............after looking at your team, you didnt even need to rebuild. Deal Bush for a decent WR and you would be fine.
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kutta
Footballguy
Yeah, I agree. It looks like you already rebuilt - Wilson, Richardson, Miller, Bernard, Gordon, Blackmon, and Hilton are some pretty nice young players. You need help at WR, and you maybe could have packaged one of your younger guys and Bush for a pretty decent WR and competed this year pretty well.
Kleck
Footballguy
Agreed. This league has had some bad trades, and this is up there with the worst. Especially since 3rds are such crap shoots in this league and 5ths are worthless and sometimes skipped. Maybe I'm too down on Cameron, but Witten should fetch a lot more.
jkvudores
Footballguy
Two that I (Mario's on Fire) have been in on...
Flying Kamikaze Squirrels gave up Wilson, Russell SEA QB;Smith, Steve CAR WR; Year 2014 Round 3 Draft Pick from Flying Kamikaze Squirrels
Mario's on Fire gave up Cutler, Jay CHI QB;Streater, Rod OAK WR; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from Mario's on Fire
Wed Jul 17 8:18:14 p.m. CT 2013
Mario's on Fire gave up Alexander, Danario SDC WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.06; Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from Mario's on Fire
Longest Yard Birds gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.01;Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.04
Comments: Draft Day Trade #2
Sat Jun 22 10:20:55 p.m. CT 2013
Edit - Note: I took C. MIchael with the 2.01 this year...
Flying Kamikaze Squirrels gave up Wilson, Russell SEA QB;Smith, Steve CAR WR; Year 2014 Round 3 Draft Pick from Flying Kamikaze Squirrels
Mario's on Fire gave up Cutler, Jay CHI QB;Streater, Rod OAK WR; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from Mario's on Fire
Wed Jul 17 8:18:14 p.m. CT 2013
Mario's on Fire gave up Alexander, Danario SDC WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.06; Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from Mario's on Fire
Longest Yard Birds gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.01;Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.04
Comments: Draft Day Trade #2
Sat Jun 22 10:20:55 p.m. CT 2013
Edit - Note: I took C. MIchael with the 2.01 this year...
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cstu
Footballguy
The first one was a steal for you but in the second one it appears you sold DX for a 4th rounder.
cstu
Footballguy
I'm high on Cameron but I still think it's too cheap for Witten, should've at least been a 2nd included. On the other hand if Cameron breaks out you might not be able to get him straight up for Witten.
Shawnky
Footballguy
Yeah, he was worthless last year. Now with Bradshaw on the pup, he's worth even less.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Ballard was 39th in PPG last year. He doesn't really catch the ball, he didn't score TDs, and he was below 4 YPC. He's clearly JAG and will never be someone you can plug in as a starter with any confidence.
I'm also not sure why Bradshaw being placed on the PUP in July has any relevance or is surprising in any way.
Two random seconds for Vick Ballard is great value for him. IMO one random 2nd would be just fine. He's crap.
jkvudores
Footballguy
Ya, the draft day deal with DX may be one I look back at and regret (especially with Blackmon and Gordon suspensions), but Michael was one of the best talent backs in the class, and I have the depth to allow time for him to develop. The 5 knee surgeries for DX kept me cool on him, but he was great for the stretch run last year. Not sure about his fit in the McCoy scheme in SD.
I was really pumped about the Wilson deal. I needed a younger stable QB to pair with Romo. Steve Smith should be a good 1 year rental to fill the DX void from the first deal. Seems there is always a DX or Streater to hit the Waivers during the year, and so far, I've got a decent track record of snagging them. My only miss so far was getting beat on Cruz, but we did not have practice squads back then. I'd have stashed him after Year 1 when he was injured in pre-season, if I had a slot to give.
Shawnky
Footballguy
I'm not claiming Ballard is a top 15 guy, but it seems the Colts like him. I watched him in college, and he is pretty good receiver out of the backfield. I'm not saying he will, bu t it wouldn't surprise me if he starts more games and finishes with more points than Bradshaw.
12 team 1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE 1 Flex (RB/WR) 1 DEF 1 K
All TDs 6 points, including passing. PPR is 0.5 for all positions. QBs get 0.125 per completion and are very high scorers in this league.
Gave:
Wes Welker
Received:
Russell Wilson
Lance Moore
The Wilson owner has Rodgers at QB, won it last year and wants to make a run with a squad that is aging (WR core includes Roddy White, Colston and now Welker, TEs are Owen D and Heath Miller)
I have Stafford at QB but I don't love him (this is an orphan team I took over) and I thought this was getting good value for Welker who isn't worth as much in 0.5PPR, especially with the move and his age. I thought Lance Moore was a nice throw in (leaves my WR corps as Calvin J, Amendola, Jennings, Mike Williams TB and Moore).
All TDs 6 points, including passing. PPR is 0.5 for all positions. QBs get 0.125 per completion and are very high scorers in this league.
Gave:
Wes Welker
Received:
Russell Wilson
Lance Moore
The Wilson owner has Rodgers at QB, won it last year and wants to make a run with a squad that is aging (WR core includes Roddy White, Colston and now Welker, TEs are Owen D and Heath Miller)
I have Stafford at QB but I don't love him (this is an orphan team I took over) and I thought this was getting good value for Welker who isn't worth as much in 0.5PPR, especially with the move and his age. I thought Lance Moore was a nice throw in (leaves my WR corps as Calvin J, Amendola, Jennings, Mike Williams TB and Moore).
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Fantastic value for Welker, Jon.
Regarding Ballard, I get that he is JAG with questionable long term value, but he isn't crap. Quoting year end stats to show how bad he was is disingenuous, he didn't start until week 7. From week 7 on, he averaged 4.1 ypc behind a mediocre/bad Oline, 80 yards from scrimmage a game, and was an okay fantasy RB2. He is clearly unlikely to be the starter while Bradshaw is healthy, but RBs don't get hurt LESS often as they age, and Bradshaw lasted so long on the market and signed a modest salary for a reason.
I traded Ballard in a 12 team league with 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only. He was my RB6 or worse behind Charles/Rice/Miller/Stewart/Vereen (and maybe Tate and Goodson).
Gave Ballard + R.Jennings
Received 2014 3rd, $30 blind bidding money ($30 would be about equal to a rookie pick in the 24-30 range)
Regarding Ballard, I get that he is JAG with questionable long term value, but he isn't crap. Quoting year end stats to show how bad he was is disingenuous, he didn't start until week 7. From week 7 on, he averaged 4.1 ypc behind a mediocre/bad Oline, 80 yards from scrimmage a game, and was an okay fantasy RB2. He is clearly unlikely to be the starter while Bradshaw is healthy, but RBs don't get hurt LESS often as they age, and Bradshaw lasted so long on the market and signed a modest salary for a reason.
I traded Ballard in a 12 team league with 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only. He was my RB6 or worse behind Charles/Rice/Miller/Stewart/Vereen (and maybe Tate and Goodson).
Gave Ballard + R.Jennings
Received 2014 3rd, $30 blind bidding money ($30 would be about equal to a rookie pick in the 24-30 range)
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I guess it depends on your definition of crap. You traded Ballard and Jennings for essentially a 3rd each -- that's crap to me, as in most formats rookie 3rds aren't usually a lock to make rosters. Obviously this can vary based on individual teams and league setup. Some leagues I'd pick Ballard up if he hit the WW, some I wouldn't have a guy I'd be willing to cut for him.
Either way 2 2nds for him is a no brainer IMO.
