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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (3 Viewers)

12 team PPR, start 1qb/3wr/2rb/1te

Team A gets:

V. Davis

S. Hill

J. Stewart

Team B gets:

J. Cook

K. Thompkins

B. Pierce

2014 2nd round pick (likely late)

 
Team A (9-4) gave up:

Floyd, Michael ARI WR
Garcon, Pierre WAS WR
Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Team B (4-9) gave up:
Williams, Terrance DAL WR
Graham, Jimmy NOS TE
Year 2014 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team B
Year 2014 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team C (7-6)
Year 2014 Round 5 Draft Pick from Team B

 
Adam Harstad said:
Just Win Baby said:
Adam Harstad said:
Just Win Baby said:
Adam Harstad said:
Blockbuster just went down in a league of mine. I'm not involved. 10 team, start 1/2/3/1 no flex. Only really interesting notes are that it's very yardage heavy (1 point per 10 yards passing, 1 per 5 yards rushing/receiving), and it's a very deep league, so 31 out of 32 defenses are rostered and you'll actually see quality defenses have some (marginal) trade value.

Team A gives:

Russell Wilson

C.J. Spiller

2nd round pick (19th overall)

2nd round pick (20th overall)

Team B gives:

Matt Schaub

Arian Foster

Frank Gore

Alshon Jeffery

Stevie Johnson

Atlanta Falcons D/ST

The sign of a good trade is that it takes me a while to decide which side I preferred, and this was definitely a good trade. In the end, though, I think I'd rather have the Wilson/Spiller side.
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The team getting Wilson/Spiller wins in a landslide IMO, and it took me about 10 seconds to decide.
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I'd hardly call it a landslide. Spiller vs. Foster is close (most would prefer Foster, I'd prefer Spiller). I'd say that Jeffery, Schaub, and the Falcons are roughly comparable and even slightly better than the late 2nds (it's a deep league with only one defense on the wire, so good defenses actually have trade value). That leaves Stevie + Gore for Russell Wilson, and as deep as the QB position is right now, I think that's a reasonable trade, especially in a 10-team league.
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OK, so we've established I think it's a landslide and you don't. :shrug:

One minor thing is that you are ignoring the value of opening up roster spots. Beyond that, IMO the fact it is a 10 team league with no flex and starting just 1Q/2R/3W reduces the value of Schaub, Gore, and Jeffery.

Nothing you posted changes my thinking on this one at all.
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It's a very deep league, so the value of roster spots is pretty much negligible. Like I said, 31 defenses are rostered. The four players cut were Travis Benjamin, Mario Manningham, Kansas City's defense, and Kyle Williams- two of whom would have had to be cut, anyway, to make room for the rookie picks.

The fact that only 10 QBs, 20 RBs, and 30 WRs start weekly does reduce the value of Schaub and Jeffery. It also reduces the value of those late 2nd round picks at least as much, if not more, so the end result is no net change. I don't think it has much impact on Gore either way. Fewer weekly starters makes the high-end starters more valuable, and the backups less valuable, but the solid-but-unspectacular starters remain pretty constant.

I guess I'm just trying to see what makes you think it's a landslide, because I keep breaking the trade up several different ways, and I don't see it- and I'm the second-lowest staffer on Arian Foster and the second-highest staffer on Russell Wilson, so I should be predisposed to viewing this as a landslide. In a 10-teamer, though, I just view it as a mostly lateral move at RB, a bye-week QB, starting defense, and mediocre prospect for a pair of mediocre prospects, and a low-end starter at RB and WR for a low-end starter at QB. The QB is a lot younger and has the higher upside, but RB and WR are both premium positions. The team getting Foster et al. substantially improved his chances of winning this year. The team getting Spiller et al. sacrificed a lot of quality depth to get immediately younger. This looks to me like a classic win-win trade, without even needing to resort to roster specifics (the guy trading Wilson also owned Cam Newton and Matt Ryan, for instance).

Are you just that high on Russell Wilson, especially considering the mediocre trade value of QBs? Do you view Spiller as that much of an upgrade over Foster? Care to break it down for me?
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Without knowing all the league and roster specifics:

1. I would expect Schaub to have virtually no value. (Especially now that I know the owner getting Schaub has Newton and Ryan.)

2. I do not expect Jeffery to ever be more than a spot player at best in a league that starts 30 WRs.

3. You stated in your post that a quality defense has marginal value.

I'd actually characterize all of those assets as having no more than marginal value.

So to me the trade reads like this:

Wilson

Spiller

2 2nd round picks

for

Foster

Gore

Johnson

3 roster spots of marginal value

Wilson and Spiller are the two best players in the deal, which is normally a sign of a winning trade. The team getting Wilson and Spiller has secured a franchise QB1 for the next decade and a franchise RB1 for the next 5+ years. That is huge value.

And, yes, I am high on Wilson. I think he has multiple top 5 fantasy QB seasons in his future. Similarly, there is every reason to think Spiller will be a top 10 fantasy RB for the next 5+ years, and he may also put up multiple top 5 performances. So the team getting those two is potentially getting several top 5 fantasy performances. Meanwhile, the other team is likely getting none (I do not believe Foster has another one in him).

And despite what you say about roster spots, the bottom line is that the team getting Wilson and Spiller also opened up 4 roster spots, meaning it can add rookie draft picks and/or free agents without making any cuts. There is value in that.

Foster is a valuable player given up, but Spiller upgrades that position. Stevie Johnson has averaged 1041/8 over his three productive seasons, so he is a worthy starter in this format, but he is a WR3 in a 10 team league. Gore is 30, and I don't expect him to be starting next season, so his value to me is as a one year starter, and even that carries some risk given his age/mileage. We don't know that he will maintain solid performance this season.

Meanwhile, the other team had to cut 4 players to make the trade. Even if they weren't valuable players, now those roster spots cannot be used for rookie draft picks and free agents. There is a marginal loss in value there.

To me, it's a landslide. :shrug:

 
A couple trades happening over the weekend, mostly crap players trying to create salary cap room, or spend some money to get above the salary floor. ppr, start 1 qb/ 2rb / 3wr / 1te / 1flex(any) / idp

Team A got:

Danny Woodhead

2014 4th

Team B got:

Pierre Thomas, 2014 3rd

Team B got:

Dujuan Harris, 2014 5th

Team C got:

Roy Helu, 2015 2nd, 8 FA cash (we get 75 a year so ~10% of the yearly FA cash)

Team C got:

2014 2nd

Team D got:

Helu, 2014 5th

Team A got:

Bilial Powell

Team F got:

Muhammad Wilkerson

Team E got:

Tavon Austin

Team F got:

Eddie Lacy

I'm Team C. Although I like Helu's chances this year. I couldn't afford him. He got a monster contract after his rookie year. I knew I could move him to the Morris owner. So I swapped Harris for Helu, getting a 2nd in return as well as picking up some FABB bucks (then bid 8 and got Thompkins), then moved Helu for another 2nd. Giving me 3 2014 2nds and freeing up cap space, as Thompkins can go on my DTS for a few years before having to give him a contract.

 
Concept Coop said:
thriftyrocker said:
12 team ppr (not my trade)

EJ Manuel

Andre Ellington

for

Locker

Dan Thomas

Ivory

2014 1st (early)
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I like Manuel, but this is an overpay.
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That was my gut too especially since I traded the pick he used to get Manuel for his 2014 1st (also likely early). But if you don't believe in Ivory, he's definitely movable for what you can get at this point. Is Manuel a better fantasy prospect than Bridgewater? Probably. Short term I think Manuel offers more FP upside. Long term I believe in Bridgewater more as a possible elite QB. What are you gonna do. It is an overpay.

 
Just Win Baby said:
Adam Harstad said:
Just Win Baby said:
Adam Harstad said:
Just Win Baby said:
Adam Harstad said:
Blockbuster just went down in a league of mine. I'm not involved. 10 team, start 1/2/3/1 no flex. Only really interesting notes are that it's very yardage heavy (1 point per 10 yards passing, 1 per 5 yards rushing/receiving), and it's a very deep league, so 31 out of 32 defenses are rostered and you'll actually see quality defenses have some (marginal) trade value.

Team A gives:

Russell Wilson

C.J. Spiller

2nd round pick (19th overall)

2nd round pick (20th overall)

Team B gives:

Matt Schaub

Arian Foster

Frank Gore

Alshon Jeffery

Stevie Johnson

Atlanta Falcons D/ST

The sign of a good trade is that it takes me a while to decide which side I preferred, and this was definitely a good trade. In the end, though, I think I'd rather have the Wilson/Spiller side.
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The team getting Wilson/Spiller wins in a landslide IMO, and it took me about 10 seconds to decide.
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I'd hardly call it a landslide. Spiller vs. Foster is close (most would prefer Foster, I'd prefer Spiller). I'd say that Jeffery, Schaub, and the Falcons are roughly comparable and even slightly better than the late 2nds (it's a deep league with only one defense on the wire, so good defenses actually have trade value). That leaves Stevie + Gore for Russell Wilson, and as deep as the QB position is right now, I think that's a reasonable trade, especially in a 10-team league.
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OK, so we've established I think it's a landslide and you don't. :shrug:

One minor thing is that you are ignoring the value of opening up roster spots. Beyond that, IMO the fact it is a 10 team league with no flex and starting just 1Q/2R/3W reduces the value of Schaub, Gore, and Jeffery.

Nothing you posted changes my thinking on this one at all.
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It's a very deep league, so the value of roster spots is pretty much negligible. Like I said, 31 defenses are rostered. The four players cut were Travis Benjamin, Mario Manningham, Kansas City's defense, and Kyle Williams- two of whom would have had to be cut, anyway, to make room for the rookie picks.

The fact that only 10 QBs, 20 RBs, and 30 WRs start weekly does reduce the value of Schaub and Jeffery. It also reduces the value of those late 2nd round picks at least as much, if not more, so the end result is no net change. I don't think it has much impact on Gore either way. Fewer weekly starters makes the high-end starters more valuable, and the backups less valuable, but the solid-but-unspectacular starters remain pretty constant.

I guess I'm just trying to see what makes you think it's a landslide, because I keep breaking the trade up several different ways, and I don't see it- and I'm the second-lowest staffer on Arian Foster and the second-highest staffer on Russell Wilson, so I should be predisposed to viewing this as a landslide. In a 10-teamer, though, I just view it as a mostly lateral move at RB, a bye-week QB, starting defense, and mediocre prospect for a pair of mediocre prospects, and a low-end starter at RB and WR for a low-end starter at QB. The QB is a lot younger and has the higher upside, but RB and WR are both premium positions. The team getting Foster et al. substantially improved his chances of winning this year. The team getting Spiller et al. sacrificed a lot of quality depth to get immediately younger. This looks to me like a classic win-win trade, without even needing to resort to roster specifics (the guy trading Wilson also owned Cam Newton and Matt Ryan, for instance).

Are you just that high on Russell Wilson, especially considering the mediocre trade value of QBs? Do you view Spiller as that much of an upgrade over Foster? Care to break it down for me?
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Without knowing all the league and roster specifics:

1. I would expect Schaub to have virtually no value. (Especially now that I know the owner getting Schaub has Newton and Ryan.)

2. I do not expect Jeffery to ever be more than a spot player at best in a league that starts 30 WRs.

3. You stated in your post that a quality defense has marginal value.

I'd actually characterize all of those assets as having no more than marginal value.

So to me the trade reads like this:

Wilson

Spiller

2 2nd round picks

for

Foster

Gore

Johnson

3 roster spots of marginal value

Wilson and Spiller are the two best players in the deal, which is normally a sign of a winning trade. The team getting Wilson and Spiller has secured a franchise QB1 for the next decade and a franchise RB1 for the next 5+ years. That is huge value.

And, yes, I am high on Wilson. I think he has multiple top 5 fantasy QB seasons in his future. Similarly, there is every reason to think Spiller will be a top 10 fantasy RB for the next 5+ years, and he may also put up multiple top 5 performances. So the team getting those two is potentially getting several top 5 fantasy performances. Meanwhile, the other team is likely getting none (I do not believe Foster has another one in him).

And despite what you say about roster spots, the bottom line is that the team getting Wilson and Spiller also opened up 4 roster spots, meaning it can add rookie draft picks and/or free agents without making any cuts. There is value in that.

Foster is a valuable player given up, but Spiller upgrades that position. Stevie Johnson has averaged 1041/8 over his three productive seasons, so he is a worthy starter in this format, but he is a WR3 in a 10 team league. Gore is 30, and I don't expect him to be starting next season, so his value to me is as a one year starter, and even that carries some risk given his age/mileage. We don't know that he will maintain solid performance this season.

Meanwhile, the other team had to cut 4 players to make the trade. Even if they weren't valuable players, now those roster spots cannot be used for rookie draft picks and free agents. There is a marginal loss in value there.

To me, it's a landslide. :shrug:
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Thanks for the breakdown, GB. If I thought Russell Wilson was a more valuable player than Arian Foster, I'd think it was a landslide, too.

I think you're too quick to dismiss Schaub, Jeffery, and Atlanta in this format (or, perhaps, not quick enough to dismiss the 2nd rounders). I would trade either of those 2nd round picks for Jeffery or Atlanta straight-up without hesitating. To me, either would be an auto-accept, assuming I needed the defense. I'd prefer the pick over Schaub, but Schaub is not without value of his own- having three quarterbacks who can start gives a lot of flexibility in terms of trading away guys ahead of him on the depth chart, and serves as a nice buffer in case of injury. I've been using Roethlisberger like that for years in this league, slotting him as my 2nd quarterback, developing other guys, and then trading them off when they surpass Roethlisberger. Ironically enough, Schaub is one of my developmental QBs-turned-fantasy starters who was expendable because I had a solid #2/3 like Roethlisberger lurking. Of course, Schaub is no Roethlisberger, but he's also nowhere near a "roster spot of marginal value".

If nothing else, Schaub will hold some trade value as soon as some of the shallower teams start suffering injuries at QB, because there's nothing at all on the wire (usually around 40 QBs rostered at any given time). I would suspect that, if the owner was of a mind, he could get a mid-2nd round pick for Matt Schaub at some point during this season. By that metric, Schaub/Jeffery/Atlanta essentially amounts to three mid-2nds, which is by far a strong enough edge over the two late 2nds to justify the loss of two extra roster spots (note: it's only a two roster spot difference, not four as you keep saying- those are 2013 picks and they're getting executed pretty much immediately, so the extra roster space lasted for just a couple of days).

Still, with the deep benches and the shallow starters (because it's a 10-team league and because there's no flex), all of these assets are just fringe commodities. I throw 2nd round picks around like pennies in this league, because they're just not that valuable in the format. If I'm discussing a trade with someone and he balks, I'll just throw second rounders at him until he caves. I don't think I've executed my own second rounder since the very first rookie draft back in 2007. So that makes it Spiller/Wilson for Foster/Stevie/Gore and a couple extra pennies. To me, it just keeps coming back to the fact that, with all the depth at QB and with only 10 teams, a quarterback basically has to be Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers to carry much value. I think Cam Newton is there, and I think Robert Griffin can get there. I'm far less confident that Russell Wilson makes that leap. I think Wilson is pretty similar to Colin Kaepernick, and as the Colin Kaepernick owner in that league, I can tell you with certainty that his market value is nowhere near where you're pegging Wilson's. I'm fond of pointing out that trade value isn't real value, I'm just trying to give a data point on what perceptions are in this particular league.

Anyway, thanks for hashing out your thoughts for me. As always, it's good to see other informed takes to see where other quality owners are coming from.

 
Adam Harstad said:
So that makes it Spiller/Wilson for Foster/Stevie/Gore and a couple extra pennies.
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Well, after all of that, we both view it as essentially Wilson and Spiller for Foster, Gore, and Johnson. We just apparently look at that core part of the trade quite differently.

Adam Harstad said:
To me, it just keeps coming back to the fact that, with all the depth at QB and with only 10 teams, a quarterback basically has to be Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers to carry much value. ...I can tell you with certainty that his market value is nowhere near where you're pegging Wilson's. I'm fond of pointing out that trade value isn't real value, I'm just trying to give a data point on what perceptions are in this particular league.
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For exactly that reason, if I were the owner who traded Wilson, I would have strongly considered trading Newton or Ryan instead, as I would have expected either of them to bring more return value in a trade. But that is in part based on my view of Wilson's likely future performance.

 
Speaking of trading QBs, I just did this one. 12 team ppr, start 1/2/3/1/1+IDP.

Gave:

Locker

R.Bush

2014 2nd (likely high)

Got:

Kaepernick

2014 3rd (probably mid)

I took over a bad team that was likely to start Alex Smith. Bush was my only valuable current asset and I felt it was important to move him quickly for something that can help me long-term. Giving up the pick hurts but I feel it was a necessary evil to lock down a stud QB for the foreseeable future.

 
I'd like to hear thoughts on this one. I can't decide if it was smart or stupid.

12 team, 0.5PPR, start 1/2/3/1

I gave: Hopkins

I get: Mathews

I put a condition on it if Mathews isn't a top 18 RB this year (by total points, weeks 1-16), then I also receive 2015 1st.

Hopkins was my WR5. Mathews would be my RB5. Honestly, with big RB needy teams in my league, I am hoping to flip him.

 
Andrew74 said:
I'd like to hear thoughts on this one. I can't decide if it was smart or stupid.

12 team, 0.5PPR, start 1/2/3/1

I gave: Hopkins

I get: Mathews

I put a condition on it if Mathews isn't a top 18 RB this year (by total points, weeks 1-16), then I also receive 2015 1st.

Hopkins was my WR5. Mathews would be my RB5. Honestly, with big RB needy teams in my league, I am hoping to flip him.
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If you trade Matthews, do you still get the 1st?

 
Spin said:
Andrew74 said:
I'd like to hear thoughts on this one. I can't decide if it was smart or stupid.

12 team, 0.5PPR, start 1/2/3/1

I gave: Hopkins

I get: Mathews

I put a condition on it if Mathews isn't a top 18 RB this year (by total points, weeks 1-16), then I also receive 2015 1st.

Hopkins was my WR5. Mathews would be my RB5. Honestly, with big RB needy teams in my league, I am hoping to flip him.
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If you trade Matthews, do you still get the 1st?
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Yes
 
Andrew74 said:
Spin said:
Andrew74 said:
I'd like to hear thoughts on this one. I can't decide if it was smart or stupid.

12 team, 0.5PPR, start 1/2/3/1

I gave: Hopkins

I get: Mathews

I put a condition on it if Mathews isn't a top 18 RB this year (by total points, weeks 1-16), then I also receive 2015 1st.

Hopkins was my WR5. Mathews would be my RB5. Honestly, with big RB needy teams in my league, I am hoping to flip him.
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If you trade Matthews, do you still get the 1st?
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Yes
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Nice trade then. I'd move him now before he gets hurt.

 
Super Flex League

QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/1K/1DEF/1QB/RB/WR/TE FLEX/ 1RB/WR/TE FLEX

Roster

Matt Ryan/Matt Stafford

A Morris/Rice/Pierce/McFadden/Jennings

A. Brown/Nelson/Jennings/Blackmon/Crabtree/T.Smith/Thompkins/Givens/Hill

Finley/Olsen

Seahawks

Bullock

GAVE: Stephen Hill and Jermichael Finley

RECEIVED: Cecil Shorts and Cameron Jordan

I love getting Shorts and moving Finley for Jordan removed my week 4 bye problem of having Finley and Olsen on the same bye!

 
JonB86 said:
GAVE: Stephen Hill and Jermichael Finley

RECEIVED: Cecil Shorts and Cameron Jordan

I love getting Shorts and moving Finley for Jordan removed my week 4 bye problem of having Finley and Olsen on the same bye!
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I don't play IDP leagues (lol, j/k, haha) but it seems you got Cameron for free.

 
Start 2QB league.

Gave: Phillip Rivers and Carson Palmer

Got: Peyton Manning and Brian Hartline.

My team is very much "in the window" right now and in this league I'll be trotting out Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning as my QBs. I'm trying to knock off my brother who has one this league in the past two seasons with Brees and Brady as his QBs.

 
Six man keeper/dynasty league (no draft pick penalties or sal cap)

Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 D, 1 K

Quarterback scoring: Passing/rushing combined 1 point per 25 yards, 6 points all td's, -1 INT

RB, WR, TE: 1 point per 10 yards, 6 points TD's, no ppr

72 players kept. Draft is thrown back vets and the rookies.

Team Alfalfa gave: Jamaal Charles and the 1.03

Team Beta gave: Cam Newton, Frank Gore, Randall Cobb and 4.05

All rookie RB's are available in addition to Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller

 
jeter23 said:
12 team PPR

gave: Ryan/Ridley/Vereen

got: Cam/LBell/Bowe
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Nice.

Cam > Ryan

Ridley >= Bell (I'm not sold on Ridley at all, but I know a lot are higher on him than me, so I assume the perception is that Ridley > Bell)

Bowe > Vereen

Like it for you.

 
Blockbuster. 12 team PPR. Start 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 3 FLEX.

Gave: RB Jonathan Dwyer

Got: TE David Ausberry

 
For some reason trading really slows down the last 2 weeks before the season, dynasty obviously. Is it just my league or does every league have this?

 
Depends on the dynasty league... I got 7 that are really quiet and one that explodes with activity for no (apparent) reason.

Past 72 hours, the following trades were made in a 12 Team PPR with 24 devy players on rosters, start 2RB/3WR/TE/Flex RWT









 
A bunch of trades in my one league. 1 pt ppr

Zac Stacy

For

2014 2nd

---------------

Victor Cruz

Lamichael James

2015 4th

For

Christine Michael

Deandre Hopkins

2015 2nd

------------------------

Percy Harvin

For

Michael Floyd

2014 2nd

-------------------

Jermaine Gresham

For

2014 2nd

---------------------

Ryan broyles

2015 3rd

For

Justin hunter

---------------------

Marvin jones

For

Steve smith

-------------------

Josh freeman

2014 3rd

For

Alex smith

Latavius Murray (before he went on ir)

 
12 team PPR dynasty

I gave: D. Allen & 2014 2nd rounder (should be late)

I got: Finley

Felt Finley COULD be the missing piece to a title run this year. My Updated Roster:

RG3, Big Ben, Cousins
Richardson, Charles, DeAngelo, Stewart, Hunter
Julio, AJGreen, Nicks, James Jones, Thompkins, Patterson, Wheaton, Boyce, Rodgers
Finley, Pettigrew, Housler

 
12 team dynasty, ffpc

Vick for a 2014 3rd in a rookie/free agent draft(this was right after vick was traded for a 5th, deal was protested and reversed)

 
msudaisy26 said:
I would be interested to see any trades involving David Wilson after Brown broke his leg.
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Me too, though I would question giving up a significant amount more in a dynasty league just because of the brown injury.

 
Standard league with .15 per yard for TEs, start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 (RB, WR, TE) flex, 1 TE, K, D

Trade 1:

Team A gives E. Lacy and B. Pettigrew

Team B gives Demaryius Thomas and Zac Stacy

Trade 2:

Team A gives DeAngelo Williams

Team B gives Cecil Shorts

 
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