*2014-15 Hot Stove Thread: The Padres won it I guess (1 Viewer)

[dparker713]

@rosenthal: Sources: Stanton, #Marlins discussing $300M deal.

5:19pm - 13 Nov 14

I cannot believe for a second that Stanton wants to stay in Miami.

for 300 mil id play in north korea

Until there's an actual deal in place I won't believe the Marlins are serious about a contract that big.

 

[Eephus]

The current DH/no-DH rule has been in place for 41 years, over a third of modern baseball history. I don't think changing the status quo is anywhere near the top of any stakeholder's priority list. This plus the trend toward more circumspect commissioners makes me doubt I'll live to see the rule change in either direction.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

The current DH/no-DH rule has been in place for 41 years, over a third of modern baseball history. I don't think changing the status quo is anywhere near the top of any stakeholder's priority list. This plus the trend toward more circumspect commissioners makes me doubt I'll live to see the rule change in either direction.

But to be fair, you play Russian Roulette every Saturday, so that's not saying much.

Mike Stanton would do really, really well in North Korea.

 

[Eephus]

The current DH/no-DH rule has been in place for 41 years, over a third of modern baseball history. I don't think changing the status quo is anywhere near the top of any stakeholder's priority list. This plus the trend toward more circumspect commissioners makes me doubt I'll live to see the rule change in either direction.

But to be fair, you play Russian Roulette every Saturday, so that's not saying much.

Mike Stanton would do really, really well in North Korea.

I don't see where Rob Manfred is going to make a personal crusade out of the DH. It won't increase revenues, psss a bunch of people off and won't increase revenues.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Yeah, I'd bet on MLB going full DH over getting rid of it entirely.

I argued this on my fb page recently, but getting away from AL/NL and going to an NBA/NHL East/West set-up would be good for revenues and the game in general. I mean the only real meaningful distinction between the two is...the DH, and the strategic decisions that result therefrom. It's pretty silly that the A's play the Orioles more than they play the Giants, or that the Nationals play the Giants more than they play the Orioles.

 

[pantagrapher]

NL will never adopt DH.

AL will never get rid of DH.

 

[pantagrapher]

you know, i wish The NL would adopt The DH already. vmart gives AL teams such an advantage. but, then The WS comes and he cant play. this seems ridiculous.

It will happen eventually whether or not it is the best for the purity of the game. There is no way the player's union would allow the AL to eliminate the DL as it would eliminate jobs. Eventually both leagues with choose to play with the same rules and it will be with a DH.

Eliminating the DH doesn't eliminate jobs. Still 25 men per team.

There is zero reason to change the rules for either league. Its not like the fans of NL teams are clamoring for a DH.

It may not technically eliminate jobs but it eliminates the livelihood of players who are primarily DHs. Additionally those players tend to make quite a bit more than an extra utility man off the bench. That is good for the players union. They want players making $15M a year and DHs help that.

You have guys like V-Mart, Ortiz, Cruz to an extent who rely on the DH. I am not saying that it is going to happen soon but I think eventually it will happen and if/when it does it will be to add a DH to the NL not subtract one from the AL.

You can't point to three elite DHs and say it will be good for both leagues. You don't somehow double the number of elite DHs by allowing it in both leagues.

 

[Annyong]

@rosenthal: Sources: Stanton, #Marlins discussing $300M deal.

5:19pm - 13 Nov 14

I cannot believe for a second that Stanton wants to stay in Miami.

for 300 mil id play in north korea

But what if you could get 300 mil to play in New York instead?

 

[Da Guru]

Scott Boros is advocating that the World Series be played at a neutral site and that the series be a best of 9 instead of best of 7.

I have always thought the season should be shortened by a week or so and that the first series for be a best of 7. Even the play in could be a 2-3.

 

[dparker713]

Scott Boros is advocating that the World Series be played at a neutral site and that the series be a best of 9 instead of best of 7.

I have always thought the season should be shortened by a week or so and that the first series for be a best of 7. Even the play in could be a 2-3.

The playoffs shouldn't be longer, they should be much, much shorter. No off days, play games at the same time. Maybe one off day between series.

 

[Don Quixote]

Scott Boros is advocating that the World Series be played at a neutral site and that the series be a best of 9 instead of best of 7.

I have always thought the season should be shortened by a week or so and that the first series for be a best of 7. Even the play in could be a 2-3.

Playing the entire series at a neutral site is asking a lot of fans, and would take away some of the excitement.

But I think doing a decisive Game 7 at a neutral site would be cool.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

A playoff series should be 3 innings.

 

[the moops]

EAST (1)
TOR
BOS
NY
NY
PHI

EAST (2)
BAL
WAS
TB
MIA
ATL

CENTRAL (1)
MIN
MIL
CHI
CHI
DET

CENTRAL (2)
STL
CIN
PIT
KC
CLE

WEST (1)
SEA
SF
OAK
LA
LA

WEST (2)
HOU
COL
AZ
SD
TEX

 

[dparker713]

EAST (1)
TOR
BOS
NY
NY
PHI

EAST (2)
BAL
WAS
TB
MIA
ATL

CENTRAL (1)
MIN
MIL
CHI
CHI
DET

CENTRAL (2)
STL
CIN
PIT
KC
CLE

WEST (1)
SEA
SF
OAK
LA
LA

WEST (2)
HOU
COL
AZ
SD
TEX

You realize Texas and Houston have as much business in the west as do the Cubs and Cards, right?

 

[Northern Voice]

You need to switch PHI and TB so when Tampa moves to Montreal they have the rivalry with the Jays.

 

[Bojang0301]

You need to switch PHI and TB so when Tampa moves to Montreal they have the rivalry with the Jays.

Why would this work the second time around?

 

[the moops]

EAST (1)

TOR

BOS

NY

NY

PHI

EAST (2)

BAL

WAS

TB

MIA

ATL

CENTRAL (1)

MIN

MIL

CHI

CHI

DET

CENTRAL (2)

STL

CIN

PIT

KC

CLE

WEST (1)

SEA

SF

OAK

LA

LA

WEST (2)

HOU

COL

AZ

SD

TEX

You realize Texas and Houston have as much business in the west as do the Cubs and Cards, right?

you realize your face looks like a giant ****?

 

[shadyridr]

Stanton and Marlins are close on a 13yr, $325m contract. Thats insane but for a 25yr old superstar, 25mil a year isnt terrible

 

[Eephus]

Stanton and Marlins are close on a 13yr, $325m contract. Thats insane but for a 25yr old superstar, 25mil a year isnt terrible

But it is terrible for a 38 year old shell of a superstar.

2028 is a long ways away. LaTroy Hawkins might be making $25M then and Stanton will be a bargain by comparison.

 

[shadyridr]

Yeah 13 years from now 25mil wont be so bad. That'll probably be the new league minimum.

 

[Eephus]

A.J. Burnett takes a $4.25M pay cut to play for Pittsburgh instead of Philadelphia.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Stanton and Marlins are close on a 13yr, $325m contract. Thats insane but for a 25yr old superstar, 25mil a year isnt terrible

But it is terrible for a 38 year old shell of a superstar.

2028 is a long ways away. LaTroy Hawkins might be making $25M then and Stanton will be a bargain by comparison.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

EAST (1)

TOR

BOS

NY

NY

PHI

EAST (2)

BAL

WAS

TB

MIA

ATL

CENTRAL (1)

MIN

MIL

CHI

CHI

DET

CENTRAL (2)

STL

CIN

PIT

KC

CLE

WEST (1)

SEA

SF

OAK

LA

LA

WEST (2)

HOU

COL

AZ

SD

TEX

You realize Texas and Houston have as much business in the west as do the Cubs and Cards, right?

you realize your face looks like a giant ****?

 

[Fariq]

EAST (1)

TOR

BOS

NY

NY

PHI

EAST (2)

BAL

WAS

TB

MIA

ATL

CENTRAL (1)

MIN

MIL

CHI

CHI

DET

CENTRAL (2)

STL

CIN

PIT

KC

CLE

WEST (1)

SEA

SF

OAK

LA

LA

WEST (2)

HOU

COL

AZ

SD

TEX

You realize Texas and Houston have as much business in the west as do the Cubs and Cards, right?

you realize your face looks like a giant ****?

dparker713 brings down downers

 

[Limp Ditka]

moops

I take back everything bad thing I ever said about you

 

[Eephus]

MLB clears 19 year old Cuban Yoan Moncada to sign as an international free agent.

 

[Hilts]

MLB clears 19 year old Cuban Yoan Moncada to sign as an international free agent.

Would make a lot of sense if Anaheim went after him.

 

[the moops]

MLB clears 19 year old Cuban Yoan Moncada to sign as an international free agent.

 

[Annyong]

How good is this kid?

 

[dparker713]

How good is this kid?

Fangraphs new head prospect writer speculated that he'd be a top ten prospect as soon as he signs. That was just based on a workout and no one has seen him face live pitching yet, but the scouts are salivating. Even with the international FA penalties, people are throwing around 30-40M as his likely cost.

 

[RnR]

Braves and Cubs swap LaStella and Vizcaino, along with some international bonus pool slots.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Braves and Cubs swap LaStella and Vizcaino, along with some international bonus pool slots.

Them not doing a three team trade to get Punto involved, disappoints me greatly.

 

[Eephus]

Braves and Cubs swap LaStella and Vizcaino, along with some international bonus pool slots.

Them not doing a three team trade to get Punto involved, disappoints me greatly.

Curious trade because the Cubs don't really need another IF and the Braves do.

 

[RnR]

Braves and Cubs swap LaStella and Vizcaino, along with some international bonus pool slots.

Them not doing a three team trade to get Punto involved, disappoints me greatly.

Curious trade because the Cubs don't really need another IF and the Braves do.

Was thinking the same thing. Almost like it was a move in preparation for dealing from their MI depth.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Was thinking the same thing. Almost like it was a move in preparation for dealing from their MI depth.

The ESPN beat reporter for the Cubs wrote that an exec told him "Starlin Castro has taken his last at-bat as a Cub".

 

[Annyong]

Was thinking the same thing. Almost like it was a move in preparation for dealing from their MI depth.

The ESPN beat reporter for the Cubs wrote that an exec told him "Starlin Castro has taken his last at-bat as a Cub".

Very interesting. Got a link?

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/28072/gm-meetings-rumors-chatter-and-analysis

 

[dparker713]

Was thinking the same thing. Almost like it was a move in preparation for dealing from their MI depth.

The ESPN beat reporter for the Cubs wrote that an exec told him "Starlin Castro has taken his last at-bat as a Cub".

I think its also interesting in that maybe the big market teams that are just willing to eat the penalties on international FAs will trade these slots without much compensation. Does it really matter if you start paying the penalties after 500k spent rather than 3M if your total outlay is going to be over 20M?

 

[Eephus]

Was thinking the same thing. Almost like it was a move in preparation for dealing from their MI depth.

The ESPN beat reporter for the Cubs wrote that an exec told him "Starlin Castro has taken his last at-bat as a Cub".

I think its also interesting in that maybe the big market teams that are just willing to eat the penalties on international FAs will trade these slots without much compensation. Does it really matter if you start paying the penalties after 500k spent rather than 3M if your total outlay is going to be over 20M?

The MLBPA doesn't seem to care about amateurs and international FAs. The current CBA is kind of a poorly conceived cluster in both regards.

 

[rodg12]

Was thinking the same thing. Almost like it was a move in preparation for dealing from their MI depth.

The ESPN beat reporter for the Cubs wrote that an exec told him "Starlin Castro has taken his last at-bat as a Cub".

I think its also interesting in that maybe the big market teams that are just willing to eat the penalties on international FAs will trade these slots without much compensation. Does it really matter if you start paying the penalties after 500k spent rather than 3M if your total outlay is going to be over 20M?

The MLBPA doesn't seem to care about amateurs and international FAs. The current CBA is kind of a poorly conceived cluster in both regards.

I think you can take the 'kind of' out of that last sentence, GB.

 

[jfranco77]

Was thinking the same thing. Almost like it was a move in preparation for dealing from their MI depth.

The ESPN beat reporter for the Cubs wrote that an exec told him "Starlin Castro has taken his last at-bat as a Cub".

I think its also interesting in that maybe the big market teams that are just willing to eat the penalties on international FAs will trade these slots without much compensation. Does it really matter if you start paying the penalties after 500k spent rather than 3M if your total outlay is going to be over 20M?

The Yankees signed like 8 of the top 15 rated players in the last J2 period. Granted the failure rate for 16 year olds is insanely high, it's clearly worth it to be the one team that goes nuts. You can still sign players <250k or <300k or something. And those guys can work out sometimes too (Robbie Cano signed for 50k) so it's not like you're completely banned from participating in the market. The only cost is the insane amount of money (100% tax on every dollar over the cap) which limits the small market teams from getting involved.

http://pinstripedprospects.com/2014/july-2nd-signing-update-2326

 

[Grahamburn]

Was thinking the same thing. Almost like it was a move in preparation for dealing from their MI depth.

The ESPN beat reporter for the Cubs wrote that an exec told him "Starlin Castro has taken his last at-bat as a Cub".

The haul for a cost controlled top young shortstop has to be pretty huge.

 

[pantagrapher]

I have a hard time believing they'll deal Castro.

I mean, I'm sure they're getting offers and there's definitely some chatter. I just think the Cubs value him more than his suitors do.

 

[Angry Beavers]

Braves and Cubs swap LaStella and Vizcaino, along with some international bonus pool slots.

Them not doing a three team trade to get Punto involved, disappoints me greatly.

Curious trade because the Cubs don't really need another IF and the Braves do.

I would have to think the Braves will give Jose Peraza a chance at 2B. File this name away for Avg. and SB's!

 

[Limp Ditka]

Stanton deal done.

13-325

 

[Eephus]

Braves and Cubs swap LaStella and Vizcaino, along with some international bonus pool slots.

Them not doing a three team trade to get Punto involved, disappoints me greatly.

Curious trade because the Cubs don't really need another IF and the Braves do.

I would have to think the Braves will give Jose Peraza a chance at 2B. File this name away for Avg. and SB's!

Peraza has potential but only has 200 ABs above A ball. I don't expect to see him until mid-2015 at the earliest.

 

[Annyong]

Stanton deal done.

13-325

He can opt out in 5 years when he turns 30.

 

[pantagrapher]

Russ Martin to Toronto for "McCann money"? Peter Gammons tweeted.

Link to more

 

[The Flying Elvis]

Shelby Miller and stuff for Jason Heyward and stuff.

St. Louis Cardinals

✔ @Cardinals
FollowSt. Louis Cardinals trade RHP Shelby Miller & RHP Tyrell Jenkins to the Braves for OF Jason Heyward & RHP Jordan Walden.

 

[pantagrapher]

Wow. What a morning.