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*2014-15 Hot Stove Thread: The Padres won it I guess (1 Viewer)

bigmarc27 said:
Raider Nation said:
https://twitter.com/JimenezKTVU/status/580155494817402881
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What's the capacity there with the top level tarped off? Couldn't they build a really nice triple aaa sized stadium and dump that place? Wouldn't they rather pack in people at a nice tiny place instead of seeing a half-filled sewage spewing dump? I got to believe the costs would be a fraction if they're not trying to compete with other new stadiums.
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I rather enjoyed the game I saw there. Though it might have had something to do with getting infield seats 10 rows from the field for less than upper deck seats at Citi.

 
bigmarc27 said:
Raider Nation said:
https://twitter.com/JimenezKTVU/status/580155494817402881
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What's the capacity there with the top level tarped off? Couldn't they build a really nice triple aaa sized stadium and dump that place? Wouldn't they rather pack in people at a nice tiny place instead of seeing a half-filled sewage spewing dump? I got to believe the costs would be a fraction if they're not trying to compete with other new stadiums.
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There are reams and reams of articles, blogs, editorials, etc., devoted to this. Tends to happen when the Commissioner drags his feet for six years until the clock expires and doesn't do anything.

With the tarp, capacity is 35k.

The long and short of it is that, for obvious financial reasons, they want to move out of Oakland, but not out of the Bay Area. Because scumbag Eephus' team are greedy babies, the Giants have territorial rights to the South Bay as well as the Peninsula, rights that were lent to them and they've refused to share in kind. Oakland's tried to move to Fremont, but the local govt wasn't particularly interested. San Jose is a possibility that hinges on a lawsuit that the City of San Jose has filed against MLB, on the grounds that its antitrust exemption is bunk. There has been talk about a waterfront park in Oakland, which would face a lot of environmental/transportation issues.

Where they are now is in a fairly, ahem, "difficult" part of Oakland. People who go to games really have no interaction with the surrounding neighborhood, you park in their lot or take the train to the stadium. Warriors are leaving in a few years, the dumb Raiders might flee too, it may end up with Oakland building a new stadium where the current one is. Problem is that there really isn't any room, they're in the middle of an industrial area.

Ownership gets killed, but they deserve at least some credit for not taking the path of least resistance and moving out of the area. It's not a problem with any real good solutions. But Oakland's lot seems to be improving and the new mayor doesn't seem like a complete dingbat, so maybe something will get worked out?

 
[SIZE=14.0000009536743px]On a recent episode of "Lockup" on MSNBC they profiled a guy who was in a Cincinnati jail for violating a lifetime ban at Great American Ballpark. He's from West Virginia, but is an obsessive Dodgers fan. His ban at Great American Ballpark came about because he went into a section filled with Reds fans, took off his shirt, unloaded a string of profanities at the Reds outfielders, and then responded to the jeers and boos of the crowd by offering up the double middle-finger. A brawl soon began, and it was severe enough to cause delay to the start of the game.[/SIZE]

Mugshot: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/obsessed-dodgers-fan-arrested-ohio-violating-lifetime-ban-article-1.1828038

 
Good Posting Judge said:
bigmarc27 said:
Raider Nation said:
https://twitter.com/JimenezKTVU/status/580155494817402881
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What's the capacity there with the top level tarped off? Couldn't they build a really nice triple aaa sized stadium and dump that place? Wouldn't they rather pack in people at a nice tiny place instead of seeing a half-filled sewage spewing dump? I got to believe the costs would be a fraction if they're not trying to compete with other new stadiums.
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There are reams and reams of articles, blogs, editorials, etc., devoted to this. Tends to happen when the Commissioner drags his feet for six years until the clock expires and doesn't do anything.

With the tarp, capacity is 35k.

The long and short of it is that, for obvious financial reasons, they want to move out of Oakland, but not out of the Bay Area. Because scumbag Eephus' team are greedy babies, the Giants have territorial rights to the South Bay as well as the Peninsula, rights that were lent to them and they've refused to share in kind. Oakland's tried to move to Fremont, but the local govt wasn't particularly interested. San Jose is a possibility that hinges on a lawsuit that the City of San Jose has filed against MLB, on the grounds that its antitrust exemption is bunk. There has been talk about a waterfront park in Oakland, which would face a lot of environmental/transportation issues.

Where they are now is in a fairly, ahem, "difficult" part of Oakland. People who go to games really have no interaction with the surrounding neighborhood, you park in their lot or take the train to the stadium. Warriors are leaving in a few years, the dumb Raiders might flee too, it may end up with Oakland building a new stadium where the current one is. Problem is that there really isn't any room, they're in the middle of an industrial area.

Ownership gets killed, but they deserve at least some credit for not taking the path of least resistance and moving out of the area. It's not a problem with any real good solutions. But Oakland's lot seems to be improving and the new mayor doesn't seem like a complete dingbat, so maybe something will get worked out?
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Lew Wolff's master plan was to leverage his ownership of the A's for a mixed-use development with a new stadium as its centerpiece. This hasn't happened for a number of reasons. The Giants' territorial rights on the South Bay is certainly a major factor but politics, economics, poor marketing and the Raiders have all played a role. Wolff's South Bay stadium finally opened last week but the San Jose Earthquakes play there rather than the A's.

The A's and Alameda County renewed their lease for ten years which should hopefully defuse what has been a pretty ugly relationship at times. I think the A's best chance now is to hope Oakland gets desperate after the Warriors and Raiders leave town. But the Coliseum site is problematic at best and there haven't been any other promising alternatives floated recently.

 
E-Z Glider said:
MAC_32 said:
Annyong said:
What's the consensus on Braun this year?
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Someone else can deal with him.
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Havent seen anything to indicate he's back to being the player he once was - bust
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High risk/high reward.

Fantasy Pros aggregates have him around #30 overall (OF #10, $22 in mixed auctions). I'd definitely consider him if he slipped past the 3/4 turn or bidding slowed short of $20. I doubt that'll happen in many leagues though because he still has the mystique of a former top five pick.

 
Anybody have any strong opinions on:

Jake Peavy (looked good after the trade last season.)

Jaime Garcia (will he hold up?)

Trying to get some late starting pitching this season.

 
There's a good chance Jaime doesn't have a spot in the rotation, though he certainly has helped his case with a strong spring.

 
Eephus said:
Good Posting Judge said:
bigmarc27 said:
Raider Nation said:
https://twitter.com/JimenezKTVU/status/580155494817402881
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What's the capacity there with the top level tarped off? Couldn't they build a really nice triple aaa sized stadium and dump that place? Wouldn't they rather pack in people at a nice tiny place instead of seeing a half-filled sewage spewing dump? I got to believe the costs would be a fraction if they're not trying to compete with other new stadiums.
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There are reams and reams of articles, blogs, editorials, etc., devoted to this. Tends to happen when the Commissioner drags his feet for six years until the clock expires and doesn't do anything.

With the tarp, capacity is 35k.

The long and short of it is that, for obvious financial reasons, they want to move out of Oakland, but not out of the Bay Area. Because scumbag Eephus' team are greedy babies, the Giants have territorial rights to the South Bay as well as the Peninsula, rights that were lent to them and they've refused to share in kind. Oakland's tried to move to Fremont, but the local govt wasn't particularly interested. San Jose is a possibility that hinges on a lawsuit that the City of San Jose has filed against MLB, on the grounds that its antitrust exemption is bunk. There has been talk about a waterfront park in Oakland, which would face a lot of environmental/transportation issues.

Where they are now is in a fairly, ahem, "difficult" part of Oakland. People who go to games really have no interaction with the surrounding neighborhood, you park in their lot or take the train to the stadium. Warriors are leaving in a few years, the dumb Raiders might flee too, it may end up with Oakland building a new stadium where the current one is. Problem is that there really isn't any room, they're in the middle of an industrial area.

Ownership gets killed, but they deserve at least some credit for not taking the path of least resistance and moving out of the area. It's not a problem with any real good solutions. But Oakland's lot seems to be improving and the new mayor doesn't seem like a complete dingbat, so maybe something will get worked out?
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Lew Wolff's master plan was to leverage his ownership of the A's for a mixed-use development with a new stadium as its centerpiece. This hasn't happened for a number of reasons. The Giants' territorial rights on the South Bay is certainly a major factor but politics, economics, poor marketing and the Raiders have all played a role. Wolff's South Bay stadium finally opened last week but the San Jose Earthquakes play there rather than the A's.

The A's and Alameda County renewed their lease for ten years which should hopefully defuse what has been a pretty ugly relationship at times. I think the A's best chance now is to hope Oakland gets desperate after the Warriors and Raiders leave town. But the Coliseum site is problematic at best and there haven't been any other promising alternatives floated recently.
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No, the sole reason it hasn't happened is the Giants. Barring the bull#### territorial rights claim, the A's would already be playing in San Jose by now. There'd be no Oakland/Alameda politics or the Raiders to deal with if that were allowed to happen.

 
johnnyboy8102 said:
Anybody have any strong opinions on:

Jake Peavy (looked good after the trade last season.)

Jaime Garcia (will he hold up?)

Trying to get some late starting pitching this season.
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I prefer Garza to Peavy, but if I don't get Garza, Peavy is still available, and I think my roster needs more uninteresting veteran innings he's plan B.

I like Garcia as a flier in deeper bench leagues because of the skills, but am not expecting anything. I remember reading some opinions at the time of his injury that he probably won't ever be completely healthy again.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Eephus said:
Good Posting Judge said:
bigmarc27 said:
Raider Nation said:
https://twitter.com/JimenezKTVU/status/580155494817402881
Click to expand...
What's the capacity there with the top level tarped off? Couldn't they build a really nice triple aaa sized stadium and dump that place? Wouldn't they rather pack in people at a nice tiny place instead of seeing a half-filled sewage spewing dump? I got to believe the costs would be a fraction if they're not trying to compete with other new stadiums.
Click to expand...
There are reams and reams of articles, blogs, editorials, etc., devoted to this. Tends to happen when the Commissioner drags his feet for six years until the clock expires and doesn't do anything.

With the tarp, capacity is 35k.

The long and short of it is that, for obvious financial reasons, they want to move out of Oakland, but not out of the Bay Area. Because scumbag Eephus' team are greedy babies, the Giants have territorial rights to the South Bay as well as the Peninsula, rights that were lent to them and they've refused to share in kind. Oakland's tried to move to Fremont, but the local govt wasn't particularly interested. San Jose is a possibility that hinges on a lawsuit that the City of San Jose has filed against MLB, on the grounds that its antitrust exemption is bunk. There has been talk about a waterfront park in Oakland, which would face a lot of environmental/transportation issues.

Where they are now is in a fairly, ahem, "difficult" part of Oakland. People who go to games really have no interaction with the surrounding neighborhood, you park in their lot or take the train to the stadium. Warriors are leaving in a few years, the dumb Raiders might flee too, it may end up with Oakland building a new stadium where the current one is. Problem is that there really isn't any room, they're in the middle of an industrial area.

Ownership gets killed, but they deserve at least some credit for not taking the path of least resistance and moving out of the area. It's not a problem with any real good solutions. But Oakland's lot seems to be improving and the new mayor doesn't seem like a complete dingbat, so maybe something will get worked out?
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Lew Wolff's master plan was to leverage his ownership of the A's for a mixed-use development with a new stadium as its centerpiece. This hasn't happened for a number of reasons. The Giants' territorial rights on the South Bay is certainly a major factor but politics, economics, poor marketing and the Raiders have all played a role. Wolff's South Bay stadium finally opened last week but the San Jose Earthquakes play there rather than the A's.

The A's and Alameda County renewed their lease for ten years which should hopefully defuse what has been a pretty ugly relationship at times. I think the A's best chance now is to hope Oakland gets desperate after the Warriors and Raiders leave town. But the Coliseum site is problematic at best and there haven't been any other promising alternatives floated recently.
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No, the sole reason it hasn't happened is the Giants. Barring the bull#### territorial rights claim, the A's would already be playing in San Jose by now. There'd be no Oakland/Alameda politics or the Raiders to deal with if that were allowed to happen.
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I'm surprised by your personal bitterness about this. You're an East Bay guy; a move to San Jose would make it harder for you to go to games or at least a further.distance.

I wish the Sharks still played at the Cow Palace. With the way they're playing this year, it would be fitting.

 
Eephus said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Eephus said:
Good Posting Judge said:
bigmarc27 said:
Raider Nation said:
https://twitter.com/JimenezKTVU/status/580155494817402881
Click to expand...
What's the capacity there with the top level tarped off? Couldn't they build a really nice triple aaa sized stadium and dump that place? Wouldn't they rather pack in people at a nice tiny place instead of seeing a half-filled sewage spewing dump? I got to believe the costs would be a fraction if they're not trying to compete with other new stadiums.
Click to expand...
There are reams and reams of articles, blogs, editorials, etc., devoted to this. Tends to happen when the Commissioner drags his feet for six years until the clock expires and doesn't do anything.

With the tarp, capacity is 35k.

The long and short of it is that, for obvious financial reasons, they want to move out of Oakland, but not out of the Bay Area. Because scumbag Eephus' team are greedy babies, the Giants have territorial rights to the South Bay as well as the Peninsula, rights that were lent to them and they've refused to share in kind. Oakland's tried to move to Fremont, but the local govt wasn't particularly interested. San Jose is a possibility that hinges on a lawsuit that the City of San Jose has filed against MLB, on the grounds that its antitrust exemption is bunk. There has been talk about a waterfront park in Oakland, which would face a lot of environmental/transportation issues.

Where they are now is in a fairly, ahem, "difficult" part of Oakland. People who go to games really have no interaction with the surrounding neighborhood, you park in their lot or take the train to the stadium. Warriors are leaving in a few years, the dumb Raiders might flee too, it may end up with Oakland building a new stadium where the current one is. Problem is that there really isn't any room, they're in the middle of an industrial area.

Ownership gets killed, but they deserve at least some credit for not taking the path of least resistance and moving out of the area. It's not a problem with any real good solutions. But Oakland's lot seems to be improving and the new mayor doesn't seem like a complete dingbat, so maybe something will get worked out?
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Lew Wolff's master plan was to leverage his ownership of the A's for a mixed-use development with a new stadium as its centerpiece. This hasn't happened for a number of reasons. The Giants' territorial rights on the South Bay is certainly a major factor but politics, economics, poor marketing and the Raiders have all played a role. Wolff's South Bay stadium finally opened last week but the San Jose Earthquakes play there rather than the A's.

The A's and Alameda County renewed their lease for ten years which should hopefully defuse what has been a pretty ugly relationship at times. I think the A's best chance now is to hope Oakland gets desperate after the Warriors and Raiders leave town. But the Coliseum site is problematic at best and there haven't been any other promising alternatives floated recently.
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No, the sole reason it hasn't happened is the Giants. Barring the bull#### territorial rights claim, the A's would already be playing in San Jose by now. There'd be no Oakland/Alameda politics or the Raiders to deal with if that were allowed to happen.
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I'm surprised by your personal bitterness about this. You're an East Bay guy; a move to San Jose would make it harder for you to go to games or at least a further.distance.

I wish the Sharks still played at the Cow Palace. With the way they're playing this year, it would be fitting.
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I'd rather have one less economic boondoggle that the county has to deal with. The Raiders have been a disaster. Whatever deal the County works out with whatever economic consortium they get in bed with inevitably won't be +EV. Oakland, and especially East Oakland needs a lot of help, but a stadium doesn't provide any real help.

That's all outside of the Giants/MLB's screwjob, of course.

 
I think Olivera will be used as kind of a super-utility guy in Year 1, Uribe's defense is too good to cede on a daily basis. Seems like a luxury signing with an eye towards the future, a la the Scherzer deal.

 
RnR said:
There's a good chance Jaime doesn't have a spot in the rotation, though he certainly has helped his case with a strong spring.
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Derrick Goold (Cards beat guy) said on Twitter today that Jaime has an inside track on the 5th rotation spot. :shrug:
 
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Brady Marino said:
RnR said:
There's a good chance Jaime doesn't have a spot in the rotation, though he certainly has helped his case with a strong spring.
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Derrick Goold (Cards beat guy) said on Twitter today that Jaime has an inside track on the 5th rotation spot. :shrug:
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Will believe it when I see it. I suppose the theory could be to get what they can out of him while he's feeling good, because we both know that is temporary.

 
RnR said:
Good Posting Judge said:
Notorious T.R.E. said:
Shouldn't Jaime's arm break again sometime this week?
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It's just a matter of time.

I like both Garcia and Martinez, for what they're going for.
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I do, too, but Marco Gonzales is doing his damnedest to make them both worth nothing. Will be interesting to see what the decision is on the No. 5 spot in STL, and the impact it has on the roles of the two guys that don't make it.
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Any of the three wouldn't look out of place as the opening day starter for the Rockies or Diamondbacks.

 
Ryan Howard is awful jokes aside, he's probably worth $5 mil per year for two seasons as someone's LH side of a DH platoon.

 
RnR said:
Ryan Howard is awful jokes aside, he's probably worth $5 mil per year for two seasons as someone's LH side of a DH platoon.
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On paper, platooning DHs seems like the easiest thing in the world. But it's hard to fit into 25 man roster limits. The problem is everybody wants 12 man bullpens these days. In the AL, that leaves four bench slots. Two of these have to be a backup catcher and a utility infielder. A 4th OF/defensive replacement/speed guy usually takes up the third. Which leaves the fourth for a platoon partner for another position. Ideally, I think you'd prefer this to be somewhere other than DH or at least, have the guy have some positional flexibility even if it's just a comically bad corner OF.

 
Blue Jays seem like an example of a potential fit to me.

Valencia (.327/.368/.502 career against LHP) and Viciedo (.291/.331/.507 career against LHP) are reserve options that scream DH against LHP. Pairing one of them with Howard could, on paper, turn into a quite productive DH. Valencia has the ability to back up on the corners and Viciedo fills the "comically bad OF" role pretty well.

I suppose the argument against it is that Navarro needs PAs and EE is in need of the ability to DH from time to time. With that said, Howard is still capable of playing a passable 1B.

 
Eephus said:
RnR said:
Ryan Howard is awful jokes aside, he's probably worth $5 mil per year for two seasons as someone's LH side of a DH platoon.
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On paper, platooning DHs seems like the easiest thing in the world. But it's hard to fit into 25 man roster limits. The problem is everybody wants 12 man bullpens these days. In the AL, that leaves four bench slots. Two of these have to be a backup catcher and a utility infielder. A 4th OF/defensive replacement/speed guy usually takes up the third. Which leaves the fourth for a platoon partner for another position. Ideally, I think you'd prefer this to be somewhere other than DH or at least, have the guy have some positional flexibility even if it's just a comically bad corner OF.
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Tampa Bay maybe at the deadline if they're magically close? Can't think of another AL team that doesn't already have a couple 1B/DH slugs.
 
Notorious T.R.E. said:
Eephus said:
RnR said:
Ryan Howard is awful jokes aside, he's probably worth $5 mil per year for two seasons as someone's LH side of a DH platoon.
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On paper, platooning DHs seems like the easiest thing in the world. But it's hard to fit into 25 man roster limits. The problem is everybody wants 12 man bullpens these days. In the AL, that leaves four bench slots. Two of these have to be a backup catcher and a utility infielder. A 4th OF/defensive replacement/speed guy usually takes up the third. Which leaves the fourth for a platoon partner for another position. Ideally, I think you'd prefer this to be somewhere other than DH or at least, have the guy have some positional flexibility even if it's just a comically bad corner OF.
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Tampa Bay maybe at the deadline if they're magically close? Can't think of another AL team that doesn't already have a couple 1B/DH slugs.
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The Rays are already paying $15M for left handed DH/1B types (Loney, Jaso, DeJesus). They don't seem like a franchise to take on even a portion of Howard's salary. It could be a different story If the Phillies release him and a team just has to pay vet's minimum but there still won't be lots of potential landing spots.

 
Eephus said:
Notorious T.R.E. said:
Eephus said:
RnR said:
Ryan Howard is awful jokes aside, he's probably worth $5 mil per year for two seasons as someone's LH side of a DH platoon.
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On paper, platooning DHs seems like the easiest thing in the world. But it's hard to fit into 25 man roster limits. The problem is everybody wants 12 man bullpens these days. In the AL, that leaves four bench slots. Two of these have to be a backup catcher and a utility infielder. A 4th OF/defensive replacement/speed guy usually takes up the third. Which leaves the fourth for a platoon partner for another position. Ideally, I think you'd prefer this to be somewhere other than DH or at least, have the guy have some positional flexibility even if it's just a comically bad corner OF.
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Tampa Bay maybe at the deadline if they're magically close? Can't think of another AL team that doesn't already have a couple 1B/DH slugs.
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The Rays are already paying $15M for left handed DH/1B types (Loney, Jaso, DeJesus). They don't seem like a franchise to take on even a portion of Howard's salary. It could be a different story If the Phillies release him and a team just has to pay vet's minimum but there still won't be lots of potential landing spots.
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I guess I was trying to show how much I was grasping at straws.
 
Notorious T.R.E. said:
Eephus said:
Notorious T.R.E. said:
Eephus said:
RnR said:
Ryan Howard is awful jokes aside, he's probably worth $5 mil per year for two seasons as someone's LH side of a DH platoon.
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On paper, platooning DHs seems like the easiest thing in the world. But it's hard to fit into 25 man roster limits. The problem is everybody wants 12 man bullpens these days. In the AL, that leaves four bench slots. Two of these have to be a backup catcher and a utility infielder. A 4th OF/defensive replacement/speed guy usually takes up the third. Which leaves the fourth for a platoon partner for another position. Ideally, I think you'd prefer this to be somewhere other than DH or at least, have the guy have some positional flexibility even if it's just a comically bad corner OF.
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Tampa Bay maybe at the deadline if they're magically close? Can't think of another AL team that doesn't already have a couple 1B/DH slugs.
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The Rays are already paying $15M for left handed DH/1B types (Loney, Jaso, DeJesus). They don't seem like a franchise to take on even a portion of Howard's salary. It could be a different story If the Phillies release him and a team just has to pay vet's minimum but there still won't be lots of potential landing spots.
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I guess I was trying to show how much I was grasping at straws.
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Maybe all the left handed DHs will get the mumps :shrug:

 
"Good said:
Eephus said:
"Good said:
Eephus said:
"Good said:
bigmarc27 said:
Raider Nation said:
https://twitter.com/JimenezKTVU/status/580155494817402881
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What's the capacity there with the top level tarped off? Couldn't they build a really nice triple aaa sized stadium and dump that place? Wouldn't they rather pack in people at a nice tiny place instead of seeing a half-filled sewage spewing dump? I got to believe the costs would be a fraction if they're not trying to compete with other new stadiums.
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There are reams and reams of articles, blogs, editorials, etc., devoted to this. Tends to happen when the Commissioner drags his feet for six years until the clock expires and doesn't do anything.

With the tarp, capacity is 35k.

The long and short of it is that, for obvious financial reasons, they want to move out of Oakland, but not out of the Bay Area. Because scumbag Eephus' team are greedy babies, the Giants have territorial rights to the South Bay as well as the Peninsula, rights that were lent to them and they've refused to share in kind. Oakland's tried to move to Fremont, but the local govt wasn't particularly interested. San Jose is a possibility that hinges on a lawsuit that the City of San Jose has filed against MLB, on the grounds that its antitrust exemption is bunk. There has been talk about a waterfront park in Oakland, which would face a lot of environmental/transportation issues.

Where they are now is in a fairly, ahem, "difficult" part of Oakland. People who go to games really have no interaction with the surrounding neighborhood, you park in their lot or take the train to the stadium. Warriors are leaving in a few years, the dumb Raiders might flee too, it may end up with Oakland building a new stadium where the current one is. Problem is that there really isn't any room, they're in the middle of an industrial area.

Ownership gets killed, but they deserve at least some credit for not taking the path of least resistance and moving out of the area. It's not a problem with any real good solutions. But Oakland's lot seems to be improving and the new mayor doesn't seem like a complete dingbat, so maybe something will get worked out?
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Lew Wolff's master plan was to leverage his ownership of the A's for a mixed-use development with a new stadium as its centerpiece. This hasn't happened for a number of reasons. The Giants' territorial rights on the South Bay is certainly a major factor but politics, economics, poor marketing and the Raiders have all played a role. Wolff's South Bay stadium finally opened last week but the San Jose Earthquakes play there rather than the A's.

The A's and Alameda County renewed their lease for ten years which should hopefully defuse what has been a pretty ugly relationship at times. I think the A's best chance now is to hope Oakland gets desperate after the Warriors and Raiders leave town. But the Coliseum site is problematic at best and there haven't been any other promising alternatives floated recently.
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No, the sole reason it hasn't happened is the Giants. Barring the bull#### territorial rights claim, the A's would already be playing in San Jose by now. There'd be no Oakland/Alameda politics or the Raiders to deal with if that were allowed to happen.
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I'm surprised by your personal bitterness about this. You're an East Bay guy; a move to San Jose would make it harder for you to go to games or at least a further.distance.

I wish the Sharks still played at the Cow Palace. With the way they're playing this year, it would be fitting.
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I'd rather have one less economic boondoggle that the county has to deal with. The Raiders have been a disaster. Whatever deal the County works out with whatever economic consortium they get in bed with inevitably won't be +EV. Oakland, and especially East Oakland needs a lot of help, but a stadium doesn't provide any real help.

That's all outside of the Giants/MLB's screwjob, of course.
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I get the economic angle - stadiums are virtually never +EV at this point, but the Du s are gone, the Raiders are as good as gone. If the A's leave, what's left for anyone from out of town to ever set foot in East Bay? Other than music at the Fox, I can't imagine ever spent time in Oakland in the future if the A's leave.

 
tommyGunZ said:
"Good said:
Eephus said:
"Good said:
Eephus said:
"Good said:
bigmarc27 said:
Raider Nation said:
https://twitter.com/JimenezKTVU/status/580155494817402881
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What's the capacity there with the top level tarped off? Couldn't they build a really nice triple aaa sized stadium and dump that place? Wouldn't they rather pack in people at a nice tiny place instead of seeing a half-filled sewage spewing dump? I got to believe the costs would be a fraction if they're not trying to compete with other new stadiums.
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There are reams and reams of articles, blogs, editorials, etc., devoted to this. Tends to happen when the Commissioner drags his feet for six years until the clock expires and doesn't do anything.

With the tarp, capacity is 35k.

The long and short of it is that, for obvious financial reasons, they want to move out of Oakland, but not out of the Bay Area. Because scumbag Eephus' team are greedy babies, the Giants have territorial rights to the South Bay as well as the Peninsula, rights that were lent to them and they've refused to share in kind. Oakland's tried to move to Fremont, but the local govt wasn't particularly interested. San Jose is a possibility that hinges on a lawsuit that the City of San Jose has filed against MLB, on the grounds that its antitrust exemption is bunk. There has been talk about a waterfront park in Oakland, which would face a lot of environmental/transportation issues.

Where they are now is in a fairly, ahem, "difficult" part of Oakland. People who go to games really have no interaction with the surrounding neighborhood, you park in their lot or take the train to the stadium. Warriors are leaving in a few years, the dumb Raiders might flee too, it may end up with Oakland building a new stadium where the current one is. Problem is that there really isn't any room, they're in the middle of an industrial area.

Ownership gets killed, but they deserve at least some credit for not taking the path of least resistance and moving out of the area. It's not a problem with any real good solutions. But Oakland's lot seems to be improving and the new mayor doesn't seem like a complete dingbat, so maybe something will get worked out?
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Lew Wolff's master plan was to leverage his ownership of the A's for a mixed-use development with a new stadium as its centerpiece. This hasn't happened for a number of reasons. The Giants' territorial rights on the South Bay is certainly a major factor but politics, economics, poor marketing and the Raiders have all played a role. Wolff's South Bay stadium finally opened last week but the San Jose Earthquakes play there rather than the A's.

The A's and Alameda County renewed their lease for ten years which should hopefully defuse what has been a pretty ugly relationship at times. I think the A's best chance now is to hope Oakland gets desperate after the Warriors and Raiders leave town. But the Coliseum site is problematic at best and there haven't been any other promising alternatives floated recently.
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No, the sole reason it hasn't happened is the Giants. Barring the bull#### territorial rights claim, the A's would already be playing in San Jose by now. There'd be no Oakland/Alameda politics or the Raiders to deal with if that were allowed to happen.
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I'm surprised by your personal bitterness about this. You're an East Bay guy; a move to San Jose would make it harder for you to go to games or at least a further.distance.

I wish the Sharks still played at the Cow Palace. With the way they're playing this year, it would be fitting.
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I'd rather have one less economic boondoggle that the county has to deal with. The Raiders have been a disaster. Whatever deal the County works out with whatever economic consortium they get in bed with inevitably won't be +EV. Oakland, and especially East Oakland needs a lot of help, but a stadium doesn't provide any real help.

That's all outside of the Giants/MLB's screwjob, of course.
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I get the economic angle - stadiums are virtually never +EV at this point, but the Du s are gone, the Raiders are as good as gone. If the A's leave, what's left for anyone from out of town to ever set foot in East Bay? Other than music at the Fox, I can't imagine ever spent time in Oakland in the future if the A's leave.
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People who come to games in Oakland -- any of the sports -- aren't interacting (or spending money) in the rest of the city. You BART in and take a walkway, or you drive into a big parking lot right off the freeway. If you look at a map, the Coliseum's cut off geographically from the rest of the town, and the immediate area is pretty industrial anyway.

Meanwhile, the arts/food scene is thriving. Oakland's actually gotten a lot more expensive in the last 10 years, but nowhere near what SF is going through, and it's taking in a lot of the artists/non-Google shareholders who are being pushed out of the SF. And crime's falling.

http://oaklandartmurmur.org/

 
Good Posting Judge said:
tommyGunZ said:
Eephus said:
Eephus said:
bigmarc27 said:
Raider Nation said:
https://twitter.com/JimenezKTVU/status/580155494817402881
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What's the capacity there with the top level tarped off? Couldn't they build a really nice triple aaa sized stadium and dump that place? Wouldn't they rather pack in people at a nice tiny place instead of seeing a half-filled sewage spewing dump? I got to believe the costs would be a fraction if they're not trying to compete with other new stadiums.
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There are reams and reams of articles, blogs, editorials, etc., devoted to this. Tends to happen when the Commissioner drags his feet for six years until the clock expires and doesn't do anything.

With the tarp, capacity is 35k.

The long and short of it is that, for obvious financial reasons, they want to move out of Oakland, but not out of the Bay Area. Because scumbag Eephus' team are greedy babies, the Giants have territorial rights to the South Bay as well as the Peninsula, rights that were lent to them and they've refused to share in kind. Oakland's tried to move to Fremont, but the local govt wasn't particularly interested. San Jose is a possibility that hinges on a lawsuit that the City of San Jose has filed against MLB, on the grounds that its antitrust exemption is bunk. There has been talk about a waterfront park in Oakland, which would face a lot of environmental/transportation issues.

Where they are now is in a fairly, ahem, "difficult" part of Oakland. People who go to games really have no interaction with the surrounding neighborhood, you park in their lot or take the train to the stadium. Warriors are leaving in a few years, the dumb Raiders might flee too, it may end up with Oakland building a new stadium where the current one is. Problem is that there really isn't any room, they're in the middle of an industrial area.

Ownership gets killed, but they deserve at least some credit for not taking the path of least resistance and moving out of the area. It's not a problem with any real good solutions. But Oakland's lot seems to be improving and the new mayor doesn't seem like a complete dingbat, so maybe something will get worked out?
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Lew Wolff's master plan was to leverage his ownership of the A's for a mixed-use development with a new stadium as its centerpiece. This hasn't happened for a number of reasons. The Giants' territorial rights on the South Bay is certainly a major factor but politics, economics, poor marketing and the Raiders have all played a role. Wolff's South Bay stadium finally opened last week but the San Jose Earthquakes play there rather than the A's.

The A's and Alameda County renewed their lease for ten years which should hopefully defuse what has been a pretty ugly relationship at times. I think the A's best chance now is to hope Oakland gets desperate after the Warriors and Raiders leave town. But the Coliseum site is problematic at best and there haven't been any other promising alternatives floated recently.
Click to expand...
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No, the sole reason it hasn't happened is the Giants. Barring the bull#### territorial rights claim, the A's would already be playing in San Jose by now. There'd be no Oakland/Alameda politics or the Raiders to deal with if that were allowed to happen.

I'm surprised by your personal bitterness about this. You're an East Bay guy; a move to San Jose would make it harder for you to go to games or at least a further.distance.

I wish the Sharks still played at the Cow Palace. With the way they're playing this year, it would be fitting.

I'd rather have one less economic boondoggle that the county has to deal with. The Raiders have been a disaster. Whatever deal the County works out with whatever economic consortium they get in bed with inevitably won't be +EV. Oakland, and especially East Oakland needs a lot of help, but a stadium doesn't provide any real help.

That's all outside of the Giants/MLB's screwjob, of course.

I get the economic angle - stadiums are virtually never +EV at this point, but the Du s are gone, the Raiders are as good as gone. If the A's leave, what's left for anyone from out of town to ever set foot in East Bay? Other than music at the Fox, I can't imagine ever spent time in Oakland in the future if the A's leave.

People who come to games in Oakland -- any of the sports -- aren't interacting (or spending money) in the rest of the city. You BART in and take a walkway, or you drive into a big parking lot right off the freeway. If you look at a map, the Coliseum's cut off geographically from the rest of the town, and the immediate area is pretty industrial anyway.

Meanwhile, the arts/food scene is thriving. Oakland's actually gotten a lot more expensive in the last 10 years, but nowhere near what SF is going through, and it's taking in a lot of the artists/non-Google shareholders who are being pushed out of the SF. And crime's falling.

http://oaklandartmurmur.org/

On the downside, the Uptown shut its doors :cry:

 
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