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2014/15 UK Basketball - :pours40out: (1 Viewer)

knowledge dropper said:
Too early to ask who goes and who stays?
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Speculate away.

I think Towns, Stein, Lyles and the twins are all gone.

Booker's terrible defense could hurt his draft stock enough to make him stay but probably he goes.

Dakari might go just so he doesn't get called for traveling while he is actively dribbling the ball. I think his NCAA rep is sealed at both ends of the floor - dude can't buy a break.

 
My condolences, UK fans. Seriously. I know I'm a honk for a different Blue Blood but this UK team was easy to root for, and I liked that they embraced the challenge of playing for and against history.

Enjoyed watching this team a lot, bummed we won't get to see them play again on Monday.

 
Rustoleum said:
knowledge dropper said:
Too early to ask who goes and who stays?
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Speculate away.

I think Towns, Stein, Lyles and the twins are all gone.

Booker's terrible defense could hurt his draft stock enough to make him stay but probably he goes.

Dakari might go just so he doesn't get called for traveling while he is actively dribbling the ball. I think his NCAA rep is sealed at both ends of the floor - dude can't buy a break.
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I think it's Towns, Stein, and Lyles and that's it. No brainer as those three are all probably top 10 guys. Booker could go since he's probably first round, but one more year as a bigger part of the offense could vault him into the Top 10. The twins could go, but isn't their ceiling still late 1st with more likely second?

 
Frostillicus said:
Rustoleum said:
knowledge dropper said:
Too early to ask who goes and who stays?
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Speculate away.I think Towns, Stein, Lyles and the twins are all gone.

Booker's terrible defense could hurt his draft stock enough to make him stay but probably he goes.

Dakari might go just so he doesn't get called for traveling while he is actively dribbling the ball. I think his NCAA rep is sealed at both ends of the floor - dude can't buy a break.
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I think it's Towns, Stein, and Lyles and that's it. No brainer as those three are all probably top 10 guys. Booker could go since he's probably first round, but one more year as a bigger part of the offense could vault him into the Top 10. The twins could go, but isn't their ceiling still late 1st with more likely second?
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Nightmare come true for Squiddo if the twins stay.
 
Lyles, Towns,WCS. The Harrison twins will leave but they are D league bound. Booker needs another year and would help himself a ton by staying. Johnson has no business going pro. Poythress should come back.

 
Frostillicus said:
Rustoleum said:
knowledge dropper said:
Too early to ask who goes and who stays?
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Speculate away.I think Towns, Stein, Lyles and the twins are all gone.

Booker's terrible defense could hurt his draft stock enough to make him stay but probably he goes.

Dakari might go just so he doesn't get called for traveling while he is actively dribbling the ball. I think his NCAA rep is sealed at both ends of the floor - dude can't buy a break.
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I think it's Towns, Stein, and Lyles and that's it. No brainer as those three are all probably top 10 guys. Booker could go since he's probably first round, but one more year as a bigger part of the offense could vault him into the Top 10. The twins could go, but isn't their ceiling still late 1st with more likely second?
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I think Aaron helped his stock as of late and could move up a little.

 
If the twins come back again, I'd be shocked. They were both projected as top 10 picks coming into college. Coming back this year was a major slice of humble pie for them.

Obviously their ability was greatly overvalued (they physically overpowered HS competition. Plus the fact that there was 2 of them helped) but coming back again would show remarkable maturity.

I also believe that UK commit Isiah Briscoe only signed Scholarship papers rather than a LOI just as an insurance policy. He's really really good but he'd be 3rd in the PG pecking order behind Ulis and Harrison. Not sure he's up for that when he could play big minutes pretty much anywhere else.

 
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TLEF316 said:
If the twins come back again, I'd be shocked. They were both projected as top 10 picks coming into college. Coming back this year was a major slice of humble pie for them.

Obviously their ability was greatly overvalued (they physically overpowered HS competition. Plus the fact that there was 2 of them helped) but coming back again would show remarkable maturity.

I also believe that UK commit Isiah Briscoe only signed Scholarship papers rather than a LOI just as an insurance policy. He's really really good but he'd be 3rd in the PG pecking order behind Ulis and Harrison. Not sure he's up for that when he could play big minutes pretty much anywhere else.
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You mean like, the Gophers?

 
Frostillicus said:
TLEF316 said:
If the twins come back again, I'd be shocked. They were both projected as top 10 picks coming into college. Coming back this year was a major slice of humble pie for them.

Obviously their ability was greatly overvalued (they physically overpowered HS competition. Plus the fact that there was 2 of them helped) but coming back again would show remarkable maturity.

I also believe that UK commit Isiah Briscoe only signed Scholarship papers rather than a LOI just as an insurance policy. He's really really good but he'd be 3rd in the PG pecking order behind Ulis and Harrison. Not sure he's up for that when he could play big minutes pretty much anywhere else.
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You mean like, the Gophers?
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EXACTLY

or maybe UCONN....

 
TLEF316 said:
Frostillicus said:
TLEF316 said:
If the twins come back again, I'd be shocked. They were both projected as top 10 picks coming into college. Coming back this year was a major slice of humble pie for them.

Obviously their ability was greatly overvalued (they physically overpowered HS competition. Plus the fact that there was 2 of them helped) but coming back again would show remarkable maturity.

I also believe that UK commit Isiah Briscoe only signed Scholarship papers rather than a LOI just as an insurance policy. He's really really good but he'd be 3rd in the PG pecking order behind Ulis and Harrison. Not sure he's up for that when he could play big minutes pretty much anywhere else.
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You mean like, the Gophers?
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EXACTLY

or maybe UCONN....
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Yes! Hopefully the Harrisons stay.

 
Frostillicus said:
TLEF316 said:
Frostillicus said:
TLEF316 said:
If the twins come back again, I'd be shocked. They were both projected as top 10 picks coming into college. Coming back this year was a major slice of humble pie for them.

Obviously their ability was greatly overvalued (they physically overpowered HS competition. Plus the fact that there was 2 of them helped) but coming back again would show remarkable maturity.

I also believe that UK commit Isiah Briscoe only signed Scholarship papers rather than a LOI just as an insurance policy. He's really really good but he'd be 3rd in the PG pecking order behind Ulis and Harrison. Not sure he's up for that when he could play big minutes pretty much anywhere else.
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You mean like, the Gophers?
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EXACTLY

or maybe UCONN....
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Yes! Hopefully the Harrisons stay.
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:hifive:

 
Man, what a run. I know it stings now for fans, but what UK did this year is remarkable. They annihilated Top 10 teams by 40 along the way and made the Final Four undefeated. This is one of the best teams I've ever seen. Among those not to win it all, they rank up there with '73 NC State, '74 Maryland, '85 Georgetown, and '91 UNLV.

Such are the perils of a single-elimination tourney, but losing doesn't take away from a helluva season.

 
Frostillicus said:
TLEF316 said:
Frostillicus said:
TLEF316 said:
If the twins come back again, I'd be shocked. They were both projected as top 10 picks coming into college. Coming back this year was a major slice of humble pie for them.

Obviously their ability was greatly overvalued (they physically overpowered HS competition. Plus the fact that there was 2 of them helped) but coming back again would show remarkable maturity.

I also believe that UK commit Isiah Briscoe only signed Scholarship papers rather than a LOI just as an insurance policy. He's really really good but he'd be 3rd in the PG pecking order behind Ulis and Harrison. Not sure he's up for that when he could play big minutes pretty much anywhere else.
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You mean like, the Gophers?
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EXACTLY

or maybe UCONN....
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Yes! Hopefully the Harrisons stay.
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He should be kicked out of school for his public racial slur

 
"Good said:
SHIZNITTTT said:
Why did Andrew Harrison call Frank the "N" word? How will UK respond? "IF" this happened the other way around I can't even imagine the wrath. http://thebiglead.com/2015/04/05/andrew-harrison-uttered-nsfw-thoughts-on-frank-kaminsky-on-a-hot-mic-f-that-n/
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I wish I could kick you into outer space.
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This is why people don't like UK. Bad sportsmanship leaving the court and flippant remarks at a press conference and excuses from the program on the comments. He said he said in "in jest". Give me a break. This is a 20 year old man. Not a kid. At this point apparently that word isn't offensive anymore because the black media seems to think it is excusable.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
Man, what a run. I know it stings now for fans, but what UK did this year is remarkable. They annihilated Top 10 teams by 40 along the way and made the Final Four undefeated. This is one of the best teams I've ever seen. Among those not to win it all, they rank up there with '73 NC State, '74 Maryland, '85 Georgetown, and '91 UNLV.

Such are the perils of a single-elimination tourney, but losing doesn't take away from a helluva season.
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Of course it does. 38-1 is worthless. Every one of those players would rather go 28-12 and win the title.

 
parasaurolophus said:
Uruk-Hai said:
Man, what a run. I know it stings now for fans, but what UK did this year is remarkable. They annihilated Top 10 teams by 40 along the way and made the Final Four undefeated. This is one of the best teams I've ever seen. Among those not to win it all, they rank up there with '73 NC State, '74 Maryland, '85 Georgetown, and '91 UNLV.

Such are the perils of a single-elimination tourney, but losing doesn't take away from a helluva season.
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Of course it does. 38-1 is worthless. Every one of those players would rather go 28-12 and win the title.
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Well, duh. Did you come up that on your own?

To ME - IN MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION - I think they had a fabulous season. One of the greatest of all time.

 
leave a whisper said:
if they had played in the ACC or B1G they would not have made it thru the season undefeated

but very good team, and great season
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Probably would have lost a couple in those conferences.

It's not like they were totally untested though, they played a tough OOC schedule to start the year and rolled through it. They beat both UNC and Louisville handily. They beat Kansas by 32 (!) and UCLA by 39.

 
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jurrassic said:
This sums it up about perfectly

http://www.theczabe.com/the-post/choke/
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That is a seriously weird article, even as someone who was rooting against UK.

I think the ridiculousness of these people that are obsessed with calling every loss by a good team a "choke" can be summed up in one sentence from this article.

"when you roll in as an even-money favorite by Vegas oddsmakers, you better cut down the nets."

So when the odds makers say you have a 50% chance to do something and you don't do it, that's a choke? 50%? Virtually every game ever played has a team with 50% or better odds of winning, did every one of those teams that lost choke? Does one side of a coin choke every time you flip it? Insanity.

He then goes on to compare the number of McDonald's All-Americans each team has. As if the current versions of Frank Kaminksy and Sam Dekker aren't great players because they weren't McDonald's All-Americans when they came into the league. As if he'd rather have Trey Lyles than Frank Kaminsky because he was a McDonald's All-American.

I guess every team that's every lost to the Patriots was just choking because they lost to a 6th round QB.

 
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All that people will remember about this season is that they did not win the title, and ended their run by walking off the court without shaking hands. Oh, and the Harrison dropping the "N" word. Class act all the way around.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
parasaurolophus said:
Uruk-Hai said:
Man, what a run. I know it stings now for fans, but what UK did this year is remarkable. They annihilated Top 10 teams by 40 along the way and made the Final Four undefeated. This is one of the best teams I've ever seen. Among those not to win it all, they rank up there with '73 NC State, '74 Maryland, '85 Georgetown, and '91 UNLV.

Such are the perils of a single-elimination tourney, but losing doesn't take away from a helluva season.
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Of course it does. 38-1 is worthless. Every one of those players would rather go 28-12 and win the title.
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Well, duh. Did you come up that on your own?

To ME - IN MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION - I think they had a fabulous season. One of the greatest of all time.
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They had a great season, I don't think anybody is arguing they didn't. 3 of the 4 final four teams had great seasons. You stated that losing didn't take away from it. That is of course a ridiculous statement. It absolutely takes away from it. It destroys it in every way. 38-1 means absolutely nothing. It exposed that they weren't the better team and they weren't legendary.

Losing to Wisconsin was probably the worst way this team could finish the season. Had Notre Dame beat them, you could argue that it was a fluke and that they were still some beast of a team. It certainly looks like Wisconsin would win 5 out of 10 games against Kentucky. I would say that crushes whatever image 38-0 created.

They aren't even the greatest Kentucky team of all time. They might not even be the 4th best Kentucky team of all time.

 
Cauley Stein set to graduate as a Junior but heard he was considering coming back next year. Harrisons up in the air again. Lyles and Towns only ones definitely leaving at the moment. The Cats will be back again next year.

 
SHIZNITTTT said:
All that people will remember about this season is that they did not win the title, and ended their run by walking off the court without shaking hands. Oh, and the Harrison dropping the "N" word. Class act all the way around.
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Yeah, no one will remember that.
 
flapgreen said:
Cauley Stein set to graduate as a Junior but heard he was considering coming back next year. Harrisons up in the air again. Lyles and Towns only ones definitely leaving at the moment. The Cats will be back again next year.
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Hmm...I was just reading the opposite, that WCS was out the door, but that Lyles and Towns had not decided.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
jurrassic said:
This sums it up about perfectlyhttp://www.theczabe.com/the-post/choke/
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That is a seriously weird article, even as someone who was rooting against UK.

I think the ridiculousness of these people that are obsessed with calling every loss by a good team a "choke" can be summed up in one sentence from this article.

"when you roll in as an even-money favorite by Vegas oddsmakers, you better cut down the nets."

So when the odds makers say you have a 50% chance to do something and you don't do it, that's a choke? 50%? Virtually every game ever played has a team with 50% or better odds of winning, did every one of those teams that lost choke? Does one side of a coin choke every time you flip it? Insanity.

He then goes on to compare the number of McDonald's All-Americans each team has. As if the current versions of Frank Kaminksy and Sam Dekker aren't great players because they weren't McDonald's All-Americans when they came into the league. As if he'd rather have Trey Lyles than Frank Kaminsky because he was a McDonald's All-American.

I guess every team that's every lost to the Patriots was just choking because they lost to a 6th round QB.
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Yeah that whole McDonald All American thing is stupid. Both Dekker and Koenig were highly regarded recruits and probably should've been McDonald AA's

 
Sinn Fein said:
flapgreen said:
Cauley Stein set to graduate as a Junior but heard he was considering coming back next year. Harrisons up in the air again. Lyles and Towns only ones definitely leaving at the moment. The Cats will be back again next year.
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Hmm...I was just reading the opposite, that WCS was out the door, but that Lyles and Towns had not decided.
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Really? Towns seems like the most sure thing to go pro. Top 2 pick.
 
Uruk-Hai said:
parasaurolophus said:
Uruk-Hai said:
Man, what a run. I know it stings now for fans, but what UK did this year is remarkable. They annihilated Top 10 teams by 40 along the way and made the Final Four undefeated. This is one of the best teams I've ever seen. Among those not to win it all, they rank up there with '73 NC State, '74 Maryland, '85 Georgetown, and '91 UNLV.

Such are the perils of a single-elimination tourney, but losing doesn't take away from a helluva season.
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Of course it does. 38-1 is worthless. Every one of those players would rather go 28-12 and win the title.
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Well, duh. Did you come up that on your own? To ME - IN MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION - I think they had a fabulous season. One of the greatest of all time.
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Same as the 2007 Patriots...

 
flapgreen said:
Sinn Fein said:
flapgreen said:
Cauley Stein set to graduate as a Junior but heard he was considering coming back next year. Harrisons up in the air again. Lyles and Towns only ones definitely leaving at the moment. The Cats will be back again next year.
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Hmm...I was just reading the opposite, that WCS was out the door, but that Lyles and Towns had not decided.
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Really? Towns seems like the most sure thing to go pro. Top 2 pick.
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Oh, I still expect Towns to go, Lyles probably too. I think Booker is still undecided - mostly due to his loyalty to Ulis. I was surprised to hear one of the announcers say Dakari was a lock to go, he seems like he could use another year. The Harrisons are on the fence - really not sure what they can do to improve their stock - but they (their family) may be more pragmatic at this point and advise them to get one year closer to a degree. I know they want to go, just not certain that they will go - and that may impact Brisoce. But, I'd rather have the Harrisons, Booker and Ulis back one more year...

Poythress probably stays unless he has not kept up academically, but I would think he would be eligible. That leaves just Lee, who may be a candidate to transfer, but not a candidate to go pro.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
Man, what a run. I know it stings now for fans, but what UK did this year is remarkable. They annihilated Top 10 teams by 40 along the way and made the Final Four undefeated. This is one of the best teams I've ever seen. Among those not to win it all, they rank up there with '73 NC State, '74 Maryland, '85 Georgetown, and '91 UNLV.

Such are the perils of a single-elimination tourney, but losing doesn't take away from a helluva season.
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How many top 10 teams did they annihilate by 40?
 
jurrassic said:
"Good said:
SHIZNITTTT said:
Why did Andrew Harrison call Frank the "N" word? How will UK respond? "IF" this happened the other way around I can't even imagine the wrath. http://thebiglead.com/2015/04/05/andrew-harrison-uttered-nsfw-thoughts-on-frank-kaminsky-on-a-hot-mic-f-that-n/
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I wish I could kick you into outer space.
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This is why people don't like UK. Bad sportsmanship leaving the court and flippant remarks at a press conference and excuses from the program on the comments. He said he said in "in jest". Give me a break. This is a 20 year old man. Not a kid. At this point apparently that word isn't offensive anymore because the black media seems to think it is excusable.
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A 20 year old pretty much is a kid.

 
Frostillicus said:
jurrassic said:
"Good said:
SHIZNITTTT said:
Why did Andrew Harrison call Frank the "N" word? How will UK respond? "IF" this happened the other way around I can't even imagine the wrath. http://thebiglead.com/2015/04/05/andrew-harrison-uttered-nsfw-thoughts-on-frank-kaminsky-on-a-hot-mic-f-that-n/
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I wish I could kick you into outer space.
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This is why people don't like UK. Bad sportsmanship leaving the court and flippant remarks at a press conference and excuses from the program on the comments. He said he said in "in jest". Give me a break. This is a 20 year old man. Not a kid. At this point apparently that word isn't offensive anymore because the black media seems to think it is excusable.
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A 20 year old pretty much is a kid.
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Seriously? This is the problem with society today.

 
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