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2014 Oakland Raiders Regular Season Thread (1 Viewer)

JDR is just a guy. He MIGHT get you a couple/few more wins. But as a Jags fan, his teams were always just 'meh'. I wouldn't get too excited if I were a Raider fan.
There's no Chip Kelly's out there, no candidate everyone is excited for.

I'm most interested in what the new coach is going to do on offense, with Carr. Del Rio comes to Oakland, I'm like, 'well, OK.' Del Rio comes with Trestman, who I think works well with Carr, I'm like, "Hey, yeah, OK then."

 
JDR is just a guy. He MIGHT get you a couple/few more wins. But as a Jags fan, his teams were always just 'meh'. I wouldn't get too excited if I were a Raider fan.
He's a snappy dresser who isn't afraid to pick up an ax and chop some wood.

 
Seriously why not any consideration for Winston Moss? Former Raider who has been with Green Bay since 2006 (assistant head coach since 2007) seems like easily as good of a fit from a history/tradition standpoint as JDR.

If you look at his coaching history will anyone be surprised if JDR brings in Bill Musgrave as his OC and Mike Smith as his DC? Does that excite you Raider fans?

Even if it fails horribly I personally like the idea of swinging for the fences and trying to copy what is going on in GB over what happened in Jax under JDR.

 
JDR is just a guy. He MIGHT get you a couple/few more wins. But as a Jags fan, his teams were always just 'meh'. I wouldn't get too excited if I were a Raider fan.
There's no Chip Kelly's out there, no candidate everyone is excited for.

I'm most interested in what the new coach is going to do on offense, with Carr. Del Rio comes to Oakland, I'm like, 'well, OK.' Del Rio comes with Trestman, who I think works well with Carr, I'm like, "Hey, yeah, OK then."
But there could be THE NEXT CHIP KELLY out there. I'd rather take a shot with some of these younger coordinators that show promise. Why keep recycling the same old retreads? Oakland needs a HC that can motivate them. JDR is not that. We're just speculating obviously, but I feel bad for Raiders fans. I'd like to see them get someone to turn that franchise around. JDR is not that person.

 
JDR is just a guy. He MIGHT get you a couple/few more wins. But as a Jags fan, his teams were always just 'meh'. I wouldn't get too excited if I were a Raider fan.
There's no Chip Kelly's out there, no candidate everyone is excited for.

I'm most interested in what the new coach is going to do on offense, with Carr. Del Rio comes to Oakland, I'm like, 'well, OK.' Del Rio comes with Trestman, who I think works well with Carr, I'm like, "Hey, yeah, OK then."
But there could be THE NEXT CHIP KELLY out there. I'd rather take a shot with some of these younger coordinators that show promise. Why keep recycling the same old retreads? Oakland needs a HC that can motivate them. JDR is not that. We're just speculating obviously, but I feel bad for Raiders fans. I'd like to see them get someone to turn that franchise around. JDR is not that person.
I disagree with this. I think JDR will command the respect of the players from the start, I just don't think he will bring any real creativity to the team on either side of the ball. I would expect vanilla on offense, vanilla on defense and a whole lot of vanilla on special teams. He'll be able to coax a lot of 9-7 seasons out of them and maybe the occasional 11-5 followed by quick exits from the playoffs.

Obviously there is only one Bill Belichick, as clearly demonstrated this past weekend, but the notion of doing something even 1/4 as creative as what BB did with Vereen last week would never happen from a guy like JDR.

 
A few more wins? At this point I might give my eye teeth just to be .500. JDR had the Jags in the AFC championship game one year, and had them knocking on the door several other years IIRC. I bet most Jag fans long for those days. ;)

 
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I miss the heady days of 8-8 or 9-7 football in the 90's when every year I could honestly say, "Well, at least we have a chance."

Haven't felt that way in a decade and a half. Well I guess I felt there was a chance at the first pick.

 
A few more wins? At this point I might give my eye teeth just to be .500. JDR had the Jags in the AFC championship game one year, and had them knocking on the door several other years IIRC. I bet most Jag fans long for those days. ;)
No he didn't. He made the playoffs twice in 9 seasons, lost in the wild card round once and in the divisional round once.

In 9 seasons he had three winning seasons (9-7, 12-4 & 11-5) two .500 seasons and four losing seasons.

Hey, look coaches grow and learn, I get that. BB was 36-43 in Cleveland but BB seems to have established himself as an exception not a measuring stick for other coaches. I just don't find JDR to be something to get excited about.

 
JDR is just a guy. He MIGHT get you a couple/few more wins. But as a Jags fan, his teams were always just 'meh'. I wouldn't get too excited if I were a Raider fan.
There's no Chip Kelly's out there, no candidate everyone is excited for. I'm most interested in what the new coach is going to do on offense, with Carr. Del Rio comes to Oakland, I'm like, 'well, OK.' Del Rio comes with Trestman, who I think works well with Carr, I'm like, "Hey, yeah, OK then."
But there could be THE NEXT CHIP KELLY out there. I'd rather take a shot with some of these younger coordinators that show promise. Why keep recycling the same old retreads? Oakland needs a HC that can motivate them. JDR is not that. We're just speculating obviously, but I feel bad for Raiders fans. I'd like to see them get someone to turn that franchise around. JDR is not that person.
Retreads:

Pete Carroll (a worse head coach than any of these guys the first time around)

Tim Coughlin-two Super Bowl wins after the Jags fired him.

And of course, Belichick.

Are the Jags better or worse since Del Rio left?

 
JDR is just a guy. He MIGHT get you a couple/few more wins. But as a Jags fan, his teams were always just 'meh'. I wouldn't get too excited if I were a Raider fan.
There's no Chip Kelly's out there, no candidate everyone is excited for. I'm most interested in what the new coach is going to do on offense, with Carr. Del Rio comes to Oakland, I'm like, 'well, OK.' Del Rio comes with Trestman, who I think works well with Carr, I'm like, "Hey, yeah, OK then."
But there could be THE NEXT CHIP KELLY out there. I'd rather take a shot with some of these younger coordinators that show promise. Why keep recycling the same old retreads? Oakland needs a HC that can motivate them. JDR is not that. We're just speculating obviously, but I feel bad for Raiders fans. I'd like to see them get someone to turn that franchise around. JDR is not that person.
Retreads:

Pete Carroll (a worse head coach than any of these guys the first time around)

Tim Coughlin-two Super Bowl wins after the Jags fired him.

And of course, Belichick.

Are the Jags better or worse since Del Rio left?
JDR was 3-8 in his last season with Jax so I would say they are about the same.

Hey I am sure he learned a lot in his first stint as a HC and maybe he will be better this time around. But on paper in January he seems like a pretty darn big scoop of vanilla, and if he brings in Musgrave and Smith (who I like much more as a DC then Musgrave as an OC) then, again on paper in January, it looks like no cherry on top for Oakland.

 
The most innovative name out there, is the guy that took over a 1 win team, and won 11 games running the Wildcat. But he's a retread, and looks like he should be performing hit for the mob, so no one is excited about him.

Simple fact is, Del Rio would probably still be in Jax if Blaine Gabbert didn't pee his pants every time someone slammed the door. He went to the playoffs with Leftwich/Garrard, are we sure this guy is vanilla? I mean, was offensive imagination the problem in JAX, or was it the same thing it usually is: QB gets the coach fired?

 
If JDR were to get hired I think he would bring leadership,passion and fire that the Raiders have missed since Hue was fired. I hope he would at least give them an identity. Any OC he brings in has to be less vanilla than Olsen. Maybe he can convince Peyton to retire and mentor Carr. Wishful thinking and a crazy thought, but who has a better offensive mind than him? Just being around Manning for a couple years maybe JDR learned a few things from him.

 
If hiring JDR means getting Trestman at OC, sign me up. I'm not even opposed to him as-is. He got jobbed in JAX, he didn't have much talent and had horrible, horrible QB's. No one's winning playoff games with what those donkeys gave him.

 
JDR made some mistakes and no one is going to confuse him with Bill Belichick, but he didn't have the greatest greatest talent available either. It must be noted that he mowed through assistant coaches during his tenure in Jax.

 
9 years 2 playoff appearances 1 playoff win and the most creative thing he ever did was bring an ax to practice. I'll pass.

 
If they are not going to bring in a clear upgrade over Sparano just let him have another year. He wants the job bad and the players seem to like him. At least he will bring passion to the table. I don't think JDR is an upgrade over Sparano.

 
Bruno2 said:
If JDR were to get hired I think he would bring leadership,passion and fire that the Raiders have missed since Hue was fired. I hope he would at least give them an identity.
He would be the face of the franchise (by default) and would give them the personality they have been lacking in recent years. While I don't think JDR is a great coaching prospect he seems to have the intangibles to be a good fit here at this point in time.

 
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@RaidersBeat: McKenzie and Davis reportedly had different ideas when Sparano was named interim HC. Davis wanted Saunders, McKenzie wanted Sparano.

If true, philosophical differences alone, let alone Reggie's 11-37 three year record are grounds for immediate dismissal.

 
@RaidersBeat: According to @NBCdianna, Reggie McKenzie wants to keep Tony Sparano, Mark Davis wants Jack Del Rio. #Raiders

More scuttlebutt that Mark and Reggie don't see eye to eye. If big Reg was a 4 star general, the President would be asking for his resignation.

 
Chaka said:
32 Counter Pass said:
A few more wins? At this point I might give my eye teeth just to be .500. JDR had the Jags in the AFC championship game one year, and had them knocking on the door several other years IIRC. I bet most Jag fans long for those days. ;)
No he didn't. He made the playoffs twice in 9 seasons, lost in the wild card round once and in the divisional round once.

In 9 seasons he had three winning seasons (9-7, 12-4 & 11-5) two .500 seasons and four losing seasons.

Hey, look coaches grow and learn, I get that. BB was 36-43 in Cleveland but BB seems to have established himself as an exception not a measuring stick for other coaches. I just don't find JDR to be something to get excited about.
Do you honestly think BB would have done dramatically better with Garrard, Leftwich, and Gabbart? Everybody needs a QB, and Oakland has one. I don't mean that as a complete endorsement of Del Rio at all, but I think it's hard to say anyone is a great or horrible coach if they couldn't build a Leftwich/Garrard dynasty.

 
@RaidersBeat: McKenzie and Davis reportedly had different ideas when Sparano was named interim HC. Davis wanted Saunders, McKenzie wanted Sparano.

If true, philosophical differences alone, let alone Reggie's 11-37 three year record are grounds for immediate dismissal.
This is getting reported by everyone but the known and respected sources in the media.

I don't blame them for trying to make a name, but this is radio silent right now and anything contrary to that is conjecture.

 
@RaidersBeat: According to @NBCdianna, Reggie McKenzie wants to keep Tony Sparano, Mark Davis wants Jack Del Rio. #Raiders

More scuttlebutt that Mark and Reggie don't see eye to eye. If big Reg was a 4 star general, the President would be asking for his resignation.
I just don't get it...if you're Mark Davis, why essentially choose McKenzie over McCloughan and then hamstring him? Or did he choose Mckenzie because McCloughan wouldn't be on board with the owner having a say in the HC search?

 
@RaidersBeat: According to @NBCdianna, Reggie McKenzie wants to keep Tony Sparano, Mark Davis wants Jack Del Rio. #Raiders

More scuttlebutt that Mark and Reggie don't see eye to eye. If big Reg was a 4 star general, the President would be asking for his resignation.
I just don't get it...if you're Mark Davis, why essentially choose McKenzie over McCloughan and then hamstring him? Or did he choose Mckenzie because McCloughan wouldn't be on board with the owner having a say in the HC search?
@RaidersBeat?

Not an inside source.

 
@RaidersBeat: According to @NBCdianna, Reggie McKenzie wants to keep Tony Sparano, Mark Davis wants Jack Del Rio. #Raiders

More scuttlebutt that Mark and Reggie don't see eye to eye. If big Reg was a 4 star general, the President would be asking for his resignation.
I just don't get it...if you're Mark Davis, why essentially choose McKenzie over McCloughan and then hamstring him? Or did he choose Mckenzie because McCloughan wouldn't be on board with the owner having a say in the HC search?
@RaidersBeat?

Not an inside source.
Nope. @NBCDiana. She was nails in calling both Desean to Washington and the Shanahan interview. She's got a mole somewhere in Raiders HQ

 
Chaka said:
32 Counter Pass said:
A few more wins? At this point I might give my eye teeth just to be .500. JDR had the Jags in the AFC championship game one year, and had them knocking on the door several other years IIRC. I bet most Jag fans long for those days. ;)
No he didn't. He made the playoffs twice in 9 seasons, lost in the wild card round once and in the divisional round once.

In 9 seasons he had three winning seasons (9-7, 12-4 & 11-5) two .500 seasons and four losing seasons.

Hey, look coaches grow and learn, I get that. BB was 36-43 in Cleveland but BB seems to have established himself as an exception not a measuring stick for other coaches. I just don't find JDR to be something to get excited about.
Do you honestly think BB would have done dramatically better with Garrard, Leftwich, and Gabbart? Everybody needs a QB, and Oakland has one. I don't mean that as a complete endorsement of Del Rio at all, but I think it's hard to say anyone is a great or horrible coach if they couldn't build a Leftwich/Garrard dynasty.
Yes, I do believe that, with all of my heart and soul. Of course you need the QB but I think BB has done it with more than just Tom Brady. He has shown an ability to get more out of his players then other coaches and his teams always seem to perform better then the sum of their parts.

But again, I do not think it is fair to compare any coaching prospect with BB the guy is arguably the best coach in the history of the NFL.

 
Chris Mortensen@mortreport · 5m 5 minutes ago

Raiders expected to name Jack Del Rio as their next head coach as early as today, per sources.
What names can we expect to hear for the OC and DC roles if this does happen?
Bill Musgrave (hopefully he learned something from Chip Kelly because he was another Knapp/Olsen type innovator previously) & Mike Smith who coordinated some very solid defenses under JDR in Jax.

 
Here comes the media blitz to call out the poor hire for the Raiders in JDR.

Interestingly enough, the same guys would be calling it a great move if the Jets or Broncos hired JDR as HC.

 
Since it is all but official that JDR is the guy let's see who he brings in as his coordinators and hope that he has learned something from his past experiences.

The team will be improved next year, they couldn't be much worse, but being happy with 8-8/9-7 and the occasional playoff run doesn't feel like the right mentality even after such a long period of disappointment.

I would have at least liked to have seen them wait and give guys like Quinn, Bevell, Moss etc more of an opportunity.

 
Here comes the media blitz to call out the poor hire for the Raiders in JDR.

Interestingly enough, the same guys would be calling it a great move if the Jets or Broncos hired JDR as HC.
somehow I doubt that.
Agreed.
Alright, maybe the Jets are a stretch. It was more an underhanded comment to poke fun at the reports that will be pouring in about the Raiders, Reggie, Mark, and Jack.

 
Here comes the media blitz to call out the poor hire for the Raiders in JDR.

Interestingly enough, the same guys would be calling it a great move if the Jets or Broncos hired JDR as HC.
somehow I doubt that.
Agreed.
Alright, maybe the Jets are a stretch. It was more an underhanded comment to poke fun at the reports that will be pouring in about the Raiders, Reggie, Mark, and Jack.
Florio was kind of correct in his assessment. It's not like people were beating down JDR or Sparano's door. Why couldn't they wait at least until after the championship games?

 
Here comes the media blitz to call out the poor hire for the Raiders in JDR.

Interestingly enough, the same guys would be calling it a great move if the Jets or Broncos hired JDR as HC.
somehow I doubt that.
Agreed.
Alright, maybe the Jets are a stretch. It was more an underhanded comment to poke fun at the reports that will be pouring in about the Raiders, Reggie, Mark, and Jack.
Florio was kind of correct in his assessment. It's not like people were beating down JDR or Sparano's door. Why couldn't they wait at least until after the championship games?
Why wait if they say JDR as their guy? This allows him to get started and, hopefully, bring in the rest of the staff he wants.

 
Since it is all but official that JDR is the guy let's see who he brings in as his coordinators and hope that he has learned something from his past experiences.

The team will be improved next year, they couldn't be much worse, but being happy with 8-8/9-7 and the occasional playoff run doesn't feel like the right mentality even after such a long period of disappointment.

I would have at least liked to have seen them wait and give guys like Quinn, Bevell, Moss etc more of an opportunity.
I don't think anyone is hiring, or hoping, to become a .500 team. First, 3-13 is a long way from .500 and the Raiders aren't going to be a .500 team in 2015. They are seriously deficient in almost every facet. I don't know (kind of doubt) that Reggie is a part of the answer, but there is always hope. Its a long slog from here to being a solid .500 team. You can only hope the new leadership gets time to show whether they can take those steps.

But picking Del Rio isn't seeking stable mediocrity. If he brings good coordinators and a steady long term building mindset (watching John Fox has to offer huge lessons in team building, despite his also being desperately conservative) there is no reason to limit the upside. It will just take time, good player evaluation, good contract management, good player development, good game plans, passion and production. There's no guarantee JDR can pull this together, but nothing in his record to date with a generally bad roster and horrible QB circumstance in JAX says he can't. I don't know that his X's and O's are particularly innovative, but good coordinators can/should bring that. If he gets the nod, who he surrounds himself with and what Reggie brings him will determine how fast the Silver and Black can re-emerge.

 
Just saw a link to a press conference my Facebook with with Reggie announcing that Sparano will NOT be the Raiders next head coach. I'm warming up to JDR as a leader/motivator and would be stoked with the coordinators like Trestman, Smith and Tice running Xs and Os and developing players.

 
Since it is all but official that JDR is the guy let's see who he brings in as his coordinators and hope that he has learned something from his past experiences.

The team will be improved next year, they couldn't be much worse, but being happy with 8-8/9-7 and the occasional playoff run doesn't feel like the right mentality even after such a long period of disappointment.

I would have at least liked to have seen them wait and give guys like Quinn, Bevell, Moss etc more of an opportunity.
I don't think anyone is hiring, or hoping, to become a .500 team. First, 3-13 is a long way from .500 and the Raiders aren't going to be a .500 team in 2015. They are seriously deficient in almost every facet. I don't know (kind of doubt) that Reggie is a part of the answer, but there is always hope. Its a long slog from here to being a solid .500 team. You can only hope the new leadership gets time to show whether they can take those steps.

But picking Del Rio isn't seeking stable mediocrity. If he brings good coordinators and a steady long term building mindset (watching John Fox has to offer huge lessons in team building, despite his also being desperately conservative) there is no reason to limit the upside. It will just take time, good player evaluation, good contract management, good player development, good game plans, passion and production. There's no guarantee JDR can pull this together, but nothing in his record to date with a generally bad roster and horrible QB circumstance in JAX says he can't. I don't know that his X's and O's are particularly innovative, but good coordinators can/should bring that. If he gets the nod, who he surrounds himself with and what Reggie brings him will determine how fast the Silver and Black can re-emerge.
If Manning is out in Denver I think that puts the entire division up for grabs. Oakland would still project to finish last in that division but it gives them a lot more hope of being competitive.

 

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