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**2015 MLB Season Thread: This is how the chapter ends (1 Viewer)

dparker713 said:
RnR said:
dparker713 said:
Grahamburn said:
Peyton Marino said:
so is giancarlo stanton just not a thing anymore?
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Can you imagine if he just never got it back? Completely lost his edge. Worst contract in sports history.

I think he'll be fine.
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I would love it if the Marlins actually had to pay that entire contract.
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Teams are printing money. No contract matters. /dparker
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Not entirely accurate, but close enough. It would still be viscerally satisfying for Marlins ownership to have to eat a massive #### sandwich.
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I'd be shocked if any owner is not making at least double their highest-paid player. The Minn owner is not making less then J. Mauer. The large market teams are making 100-200mill a year not including franchise appreciation.

 
Grey steals my Travis/Pedroia comparison:

Devon Travis – I just gave you my Devon Travis fantasy last week. I wrote it with the power of twelve mules. By the by, if you have no interest in owning Travis, you haven’t watched him hit. He looks like a black Pedroia. I will call him Pedafroia.

 
Travis/Gose trade already a win/win for both teams

On Thursday, MLB reversed a call made by a Baltimore scorekeeper that had originally given an error to Travis Snider on what should have been ruled a three-run double off the bat of Devon Travis, the Blue Jays’ new second baseman and, currently, their hottest hitter. It is, of course, astonishingly early, but with the correction, heading into Friday’s game, Travis sported a .421 on-base percentage, a .371 batting average, and a slugging percentage of .657 — the latter two numbers being good enough to land him in the top 10 in the American League.


Travis has played good defence so far, in terms of his range and his competence in making the outs expected of him, and has looked excellent — if a little cavalier about his health — when it comes to turning double plays. He certainly won’t continue to hit the ball like this, and some — notably ESPN’s Keith Law — understandably won’t be swayed by a couple of weeks and still question whether he even has a long-term future as an everyday player in the big leagues. But at least for now, the Blue Jays have to feel about as good about their second baseman as they have since Aaron Hill went completely backwards at the plate starting in 2010.

All of this has surely helped mitigate what could have been a whole lot of crowing from Jays fans, given what’s been going on in Detroit, and with the player that the Blue Jays moved in order to acquire Travis.

“Anthony Gose Might Be Ready To Hit,” proclaimed a headline this week from writer Jeff Sullivan at the sabermetrically inclined site FanGraphs. It’s an impressive, long piece filled with animated GIFs contrasting Gose’s new, slightly altered swing mechanics, with the swing he struggled badly to put to good use during his time in Toronto. He’s not struggling now. Heading into Friday’s contest, Gose was hitting .391 with a .696 slugging percentage while patrolling centre for the Tigers (though he’s shared time there with another former Jay, Rajai Davis).

Personally, I’m still not a believer in Gose’s bat — through Thursday night’s games he had yet to take a walk and had struck out in nearly 40% of his plate appearances — but you don’t have to watch a Tigers broadcast for long to get a sense of how they’re starting to fall in love with him, the way he plays centrefield, and the other loud tools he brings to the field — his throwing arm, and his speed on the bases. Had Maicer Izturis, the Jays’ presumed second baseman, not been injured early on in spring training, or had Travis’s bat not caught the club’s eye the way that it did, things could have become a little prickly for Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos, as the baseball world world watched the player he traded away possibly begin to blossom.

But the fact that Travis has looked just as good isn’t what has saved him (nor is the fact that — let’s be real — Gose probably isn’t actually headed for some kind of superstar breakout). As tempting as it would have been to have instantly labelled this deal a disaster for one of the teams involved — or for Jays fans to have gnashed their teeth about it, if it were only Gose who had gotten off to a hot start — the reality is that the Gose-for-Travis deal was a total win for both sides the moment that it was agreed upon.

Sure, in theory the Jays could have used Gose to have acquired some other piece, or kept him for themselves, hoping to enjoy the fruits of their many years of patient development, but let’s look at the facts:

Heading into this season, Gose had only one option year left. That means that if his club were to send him to the minors at some point, if they wanted to do so in 2016, or 2017, or beyond that, they would have needed to place him on waivers first, giving every MLB club the chance to select him. That’s not such a big issue if you believe he’s going to figure everything out in short order, but I can’t blame the Jays for not thinking that. Given that Gose had shown few signs by the end of his Jays tenure that he was ready to be an everyday big leaguer — and given that he now had Dalton Pompey breathing down his neck for playing time — chances were that at the first sign of faltering in 2015, he’d have been sent to the minors. And while the burning of his final option year wouldn’t have been the worst thing in the world for the Jays or his development, it would have significantly damaged his trade value.

The Blue Jays weren’t going to get a Devon Travis for Gose without Gose having a minor-league option left. The Tigers wouldn’t take a chance on Gose if they were going to be forced to either keep him on their big league roster or place him on waivers — not before being able to assess him for themselves and have the chance to work with him. And with Pompey already looking ready for the majors, and Kevin Pillar looking at the time like a capable centrefielder as well, moving Gose made a ton of sense — especially for a second baseman. It was, in a very small way, reminiscent of the Jays’ famed Joe Carter-Robbie Alomar trade, where they moved a guy with a ready-made replacement in-house (Fred McGriff in that case, when they had John Olerud waiting in the wings) for a player who filled genuine need for the club elsewhere. In trading Gose, the Jays essentially got both Devon Travis and Dalton Pompey, as Pompey would not have likely started the year with the big league club had Gose still been around.

But before Jays fans get too chuffed about it, the same principle was in play for the Tigers, as well. Over a year ago they traded Prince Fielder in order to get star second baseman Ian Kinsler. Devon Travis wasn’t going to get an opportunity to play for Detroit unless Kinsler was hurt, and the club needed help in the outfield (Travis had started to learn the outfield a bit, but was a work in progress, and would have lost a lot of defensive value that way anyway).

In other words, getting Gose for a piece they couldn’t use was a very nice use of resources for the Tigers, just as getting Travis for a diminishing asset with a ready-made replacement was for the Jays. No matter which of the two players’ hot starts continues (hint: I’m betting it’s Travis), there is no need for fans to always compare the two and agonize over whether their team did the right thing here. We already can close the book on this one. The deal was an absolute a win for both clubs.

 
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Northern Voice said:
Travis/Gose trade already a win/win for both teams

On Thursday, MLB reversed a call made by a Baltimore scorekeeper that had originally given an error to Travis Snider on what should have been ruled a three-run double off the bat of Devon Travis, the Blue Jays’ new second baseman and, currently, their hottest hitter. It is, of course, astonishingly early, but with the correction, heading into Friday’s game, Travis sported a .421 on-base percentage, a .371 batting average, and a slugging percentage of .657 — the latter two numbers being good enough to land him in the top 10 in the American League.


Travis has played good defence so far, in terms of his range and his competence in making the outs expected of him, and has looked excellent — if a little cavalier about his health — when it comes to turning double plays. He certainly won’t continue to hit the ball like this, and some — notably ESPN’s Keith Law — understandably won’t be swayed by a couple of weeks and still question whether he even has a long-term future as an everyday player in the big leagues. But at least for now, the Blue Jays have to feel about as good about their second baseman as they have since Aaron Hill went completely backwards at the plate starting in 2010.

All of this has surely helped mitigate what could have been a whole lot of crowing from Jays fans, given what’s been going on in Detroit, and with the player that the Blue Jays moved in order to acquire Travis.

“Anthony Gose Might Be Ready To Hit,” proclaimed a headline this week from writer Jeff Sullivan at the sabermetrically inclined site FanGraphs. It’s an impressive, long piece filled with animated GIFs contrasting Gose’s new, slightly altered swing mechanics, with the swing he struggled badly to put to good use during his time in Toronto. He’s not struggling now. Heading into Friday’s contest, Gose was hitting .391 with a .696 slugging percentage while patrolling centre for the Tigers (though he’s shared time there with another former Jay, Rajai Davis).

Personally, I’m still not a believer in Gose’s bat — through Thursday night’s games he had yet to take a walk and had struck out in nearly 40% of his plate appearances — but you don’t have to watch a Tigers broadcast for long to get a sense of how they’re starting to fall in love with him, the way he plays centrefield, and the other loud tools he brings to the field — his throwing arm, and his speed on the bases. Had Maicer Izturis, the Jays’ presumed second baseman, not been injured early on in spring training, or had Travis’s bat not caught the club’s eye the way that it did, things could have become a little prickly for Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos, as the baseball world world watched the player he traded away possibly begin to blossom.

But the fact that Travis has looked just as good isn’t what has saved him (nor is the fact that — let’s be real — Gose probably isn’t actually headed for some kind of superstar breakout). As tempting as it would have been to have instantly labelled this deal a disaster for one of the teams involved — or for Jays fans to have gnashed their teeth about it, if it were only Gose who had gotten off to a hot start — the reality is that the Gose-for-Travis deal was a total win for both sides the moment that it was agreed upon.

Sure, in theory the Jays could have used Gose to have acquired some other piece, or kept him for themselves, hoping to enjoy the fruits of their many years of patient development, but let’s look at the facts:

Heading into this season, Gose had only one option year left. That means that if his club were to send him to the minors at some point, if they wanted to do so in 2016, or 2017, or beyond that, they would have needed to place him on waivers first, giving every MLB club the chance to select him. That’s not such a big issue if you believe he’s going to figure everything out in short order, but I can’t blame the Jays for not thinking that. Given that Gose had shown few signs by the end of his Jays tenure that he was ready to be an everyday big leaguer — and given that he now had Dalton Pompey breathing down his neck for playing time — chances were that at the first sign of faltering in 2015, he’d have been sent to the minors. And while the burning of his final option year wouldn’t have been the worst thing in the world for the Jays or his development, it would have significantly damaged his trade value.

The Blue Jays weren’t going to get a Devon Travis for Gose without Gose having a minor-league option left. The Tigers wouldn’t take a chance on Gose if they were going to be forced to either keep him on their big league roster or place him on waivers — not before being able to assess him for themselves and have the chance to work with him. And with Pompey already looking ready for the majors, and Kevin Pillar looking at the time like a capable centrefielder as well, moving Gose made a ton of sense — especially for a second baseman. It was, in a very small way, reminiscent of the Jays’ famed Joe Carter-Robbie Alomar trade, where they moved a guy with a ready-made replacement in-house (Fred McGriff in that case, when they had John Olerud waiting in the wings) for a player who filled genuine need for the club elsewhere. In trading Gose, the Jays essentially got both Devon Travis and Dalton Pompey, as Pompey would not have likely started the year with the big league club had Gose still been around.

But before Jays fans get too chuffed about it, the same principle was in play for the Tigers, as well. Over a year ago they traded Prince Fielder in order to get star second baseman Ian Kinsler. Devon Travis wasn’t going to get an opportunity to play for Detroit unless Kinsler was hurt, and the club needed help in the outfield (Travis had started to learn the outfield a bit, but was a work in progress, and would have lost a lot of defensive value that way anyway).

In other words, getting Gose for a piece they couldn’t use was a very nice use of resources for the Tigers, just as getting Travis for a diminishing asset with a ready-made replacement was for the Jays. No matter which of the two players’ hot starts continues (hint: I’m betting it’s Travis), there is no need for fans to always compare the two and agonize over whether their team did the right thing here. We already can close the book on this one. The deal was an absolute a win for both clubs.
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