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Minny homers; any response to the talk of the Wolves moving the 5th overall for Jimmy Butler? 
Why would Chicago do that deal? Boston would gladly give them the #3 pick and any two players on their roster not named Thomas or Crowder.

 
Sounds like SA will bring Davis Bertans over for next season. Hopefully he's the beginning of a youth movement. Go Spurs!

 
I can sort of understand moving Rubio and taking Dunn, but that makes most of the core under 21.  Can Garnett mentor everyone? Rubio has a nice contract. 
the big issue would be that when kg runs his mouth and pushes someone from behind would the young guys even know they are supposed to get in front of kg so that he can hide and  shout hold me back bro it would be interesting to see how long it takes him to train them take that to the bank

 
If the Bulls have any chance of dealing Rose it's this offseason. Even if they don't deal him, I'd bench him and play Ulis -- because IMO he's far and away the best PG at their draft position -- ahead of him. Rose is a team cancer who can't shoot, isnt a PG, and makes everyone around him worse.. Idiotic organization like NJ who has "building blocks" of Lopez & Tad Young will probably be desperate enough to make a "splash"

The Chicago Bulls are reportedly looking to trade Derrick Rose.
While Jimmy Butler has been involved in recent trade rumors, the Bulls would rather move Rose and are reportedly actively shopping the former MVP. It's unclear if there are currently any teams interested in acquiring Rose, but his $21.3 million salary for 2016-17 could be a deterrent for any potential suitor. We'll keep an eye on news surrounding Rose, but the Bulls may be stuck with him as he enters a contract year.

Related: Jimmy Butler
 
Source: Basketball Insiders
Jun 14 - 1:58 PM




The Chicago Bulls reportedly want Andrew Wiggins included in any deal for Jimmy Butler.
The Timberwolves have reportedly made the fifth pick in the 2016 NBA Draft available to the Bulls as part of a play for Butler, but Chicago wants Wiggins included if they're going to give up Butler. It's unclear if Wiggins and the fifth pick would be an acceptable return for the Bulls, but we'll likely see other teams get involved in the bidding before (if) Butler is dealt.
 
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Why would Chicago do that deal? Boston would gladly give them the #3 pick and any two players on their roster not named Thomas or Crowder.
Was thinking the same thing...unless they deal Wiggins the C's should be able to beat any offer Minny can come up with if Butler is their target...

 
What's the deal with people talking Crowder up so much? I don't watch Boston games and his stats are decidedly meh, in my opinion. 

 
Man I've gotten a lot more things wrong than right, but I was saying right after Rose's first knee injury that the Bulls should trade him while he had value/promise.

I knew there was no way in hell a volume scoring, low efficiency PG with no jump shot who relied on his athleticism could survive a knee injury.

It's too bad they wasted some prime Noah years.

 
I can sort of understand moving Rubio and taking Dunn, but that makes most of the core under 21.  Can Garnett mentor everyone? Rubio has a nice contract. 
i guess that depends on what kind of locker room guy Rubio is. I'm not hearing a lot of draft guys getting super excited about Dunn so I'm not sold that they should be going in that direction in the first place. I agree Rubio's an asset. 

 
the big issue would be that when kg runs his mouth and pushes someone from behind would the young guys even know they are supposed to get in front of kg so that he can hide and  shout hold me back bro it would be interesting to see how long it takes him to train them take that to the bank
I h8 u.  Not wrong though.

 
OK, de-quitting for off-season/draft stuff:

Chad Ford, a few days ago, reported that the Timberwolves would be "prepared" to part with the No. 5 pick for Butler (Butler has 3 years left at 54mm total, with a player option after that). Here's a GPJ/DR GUNKS EXCLUSIVE: The Clippers are willing to part with pick 25 for Butler! Boston will give up 3! San Antonio will give up 29! 

He then goes on to mention, as I guess a good "reporter" should, that Chicago isn't shopping him. They're "listening" to offers, but doesn't everyone listen to offers for anyone? Did Minnesota even make a concrete offer? It's not clear.

And then of course, a few days later, what ends up in Ford's "5 big trades we'd love to see" farce, hey, it's Jimmy Butler to the Wolves for the #5 and LaVine/Dieng/Pekovic! THE BULLS COULD TEAR IT DOWN, Ford reasons. Why do you want two years of Nikola Pekovic if you're rebuilding, you ask? Shhhhhhhhhhh.

Then there's this, lest we forget: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2tk9xa/chad_ford_changes_his_draft_boards_years_after/

 
OK, de-quitting for off-season/draft stuff:

Chad Ford, a few days ago, reported that the Timberwolves would be "prepared" to part with the No. 5 pick for Butler (Butler has 3 years left at 54mm total, with a player option after that). Here's a GPJ/DR GUNKS EXCLUSIVE: The Clippers are willing to part with pick 25 for Butler! Boston will give up 3! San Antonio will give up 29! 

He then goes on to mention, as I guess a good "reporter" should, that Chicago isn't shopping him. They're "listening" to offers, but doesn't everyone listen to offers for anyone? Did Minnesota even make a concrete offer? It's not clear.

And then of course, a few days later, what ends up in Ford's "5 big trades we'd love to see" farce, hey, it's Jimmy Butler to the Wolves for the #5 and LaVine/Dieng/Pekovic! THE BULLS COULD TEAR IT DOWN, Ford reasons. Why do you want two years of Nikola Pekovic if you're rebuilding, you ask? Shhhhhhhhhhh.

Then there's this, lest we forget: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2tk9xa/chad_ford_changes_his_draft_boards_years_after/
Yeah MN seems like they are one star away from being good so it makes sense that people will shoehorn somebody to them but these Butler rumors seem way off.

 
If the Wolves trade #5/Lavine/Dieng and Pek (salary cap inclusion I assume?) for Butler, I will personally burn the Target Center down.  That's entirely too much to part with IMO.

 
I'm gonna go all Abe here, who says no:

Gallinari and the 19th for Pekovic (as a salary dump leaving the wolves nearly the same amount of cap room to chase whoever the next couple off seasons) and the 5th pick.

 
I'm gonna go all Abe here, who says no:

Gallinari and the 19th for Pekovic (as a salary dump leaving the wolves nearly the same amount of cap room to chase whoever the next couple off seasons) and the 5th pick.
I would hope Denver says no to that. Getting rid of Pek, and getting Gallinari for the 5th pick would be a steal :shrug:

In my intense scientific inquiry, there is a 94% chance that the #5 pick will never be 50% as valuable as Gallinari, while there is a 50% chance that the 19th pick will be 94% more valuable than Pek + #5

 
If the Wolves trade #5/Lavine/Dieng and Pek (salary cap inclusion I assume?) for Butler, I will personally burn the Target Center down.  That's entirely too much to part with IMO.
Thats actually a pretty even deal. Pekovic's value is virtually nil. Dieng is a nice backup but not much more than that. So Lavine & #5 + depth + cap fodder seems about right for one of the better two way players in the league.

 
If the Wolves trade #5/Lavine/Dieng and Pek (salary cap inclusion I assume?) for Butler, I will personally burn the Target Center down.  That's entirely too much to part with IMO.
You can keep Pek. Is Butler at $17M a pretty good deal?  Scratching my head why you'd tighten the purse strings on this when you are going to have to spend that money anyway for lesser talent. 

 
You can keep Pek. Is Butler at $17M a pretty good deal?  Scratching my head why you'd tighten the purse strings on this when you are going to have to spend that money anyway for lesser talent. 
Dieng is eligible for his qualifying offer in 2 years, LaVine in 3. The money they'll get offered is going to seem absurd by pre-Cap Bump standards.

 
I am pretty confident Evan Fournier (Google that), is going to make about $11-$14 million this off-season. So Butler at $17 seems like a solid deal.

Besides Klay baby, who else you taking at SG over Butler? Maybe Harden if you don't value defense?

 
I'm gonna go all Abe here, who says no:

Gallinari and the 19th for Pekovic (as a salary dump leaving the wolves nearly the same amount of cap room to chase whoever the next couple off seasons) and the 5th pick.
Denver should only do that if they are scared about Gallinari's health. Knowing that, MN should run away from that offer. It's not a great draft but they should be able to get a nice, cost controlled talent at #5. 

 
I am pretty confident Evan Fournier (Google that), is going to make about $11-$14 million this off-season. So Butler at $17 seems like a solid deal.

Besides Klay baby, who else you taking at SG over Butler? Maybe Harden if you don't value defense?
I think you are low on Fournier. 

 
2 overall for Butler is interesting (Simmons tweet). I agree. Hard to imagine Ingram being better than butler in the next few years.  And I imagine one of durant or Westbrook is going to end up in LA after next year. Having butler there would help the pitch. 

 
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I'd be really surprised if the Bulls trade Butler.  They'd have to be blown away with an offer which I don't think will happen.  The Reinsdorfs don't seem to have much of an appetite for aggressive rebuilding after what happened when Jordan retired (the second time).

 
2 overall for Butler is interesting (Simmons tweet). I agree. Hard to imagine Ingram being better than butler in the next few years.  And I imagine one of durant or Westbrook is going to end up in LA after next year. Having butler there would help the pitch. 
Ingram is going #1 though

 
Thoughts on game 6?

I think the Cav's extend this series yet again. Maybe we do get the signature game of this series in a fantastic back and forth nail biter that will be decided in the last 2 minutes. 

 
I don't mind the Wolves moving Dieng for something, as he's really not a PF and they seem determined to keep Towns at C (I think he'd be an excellent PF). He'll definitely get as much or more than Tristan Thompson did. He'd be a solid starting C for most teams in the league. 

 
Thoughts on game 6?

I think the Cav's extend this series yet again. Maybe we do get the signature game of this series in a fantastic back and forth nail biter that will be decided in the last 2 minutes. 
Square money seems to be on GS so far which is a (sarcasm) tremendous feeling.

 
i can not decide if i would like ricky the rubio on the bucks i mean on the plus side he is not michael crapper williams and no matter what negative side i come up with i just keep remembering that he is not michael crapper williams so who knows there are your words to live by for today from the old swcer keep on keepin on and take that to the good today better tomorrow bank bromigos 

 
Bay Area fans, while loyal as hell, and will show up even through bad times, are horrible front runners in the arena/stadium.  If they fall behind they sit on their hands.
This is crazy talk.  When's the last time you went to a game?  The crowd was lit at the beginning of game 5 especially venomous against Lebron.  They got down in the 2nd half when Lebron and Kyrie we nuts making crazy contested shots.  Couple that with all the open looks the Warriors missed, that would deflate any crowd.

Game 2 vs Portland recently stands out where the crowd was great even though the Warriors were behind.  The Blazers jumped out to a quick 13 pt first quarter lead and the Warriors were down most of the game until the 4th.  The crowd was great the entire game, not just when they made their 4th quarter comeback.

 
Speaking of Michael Jordan, was just listening to the latest (?) Lowe Post with Elhassan and Haberstroh.  Elhassan claims that Jordan "once swindled Scottie out of, like, a decent amount of money over the course of a season by betting him $100 per night on the jumbotron races. The races were pre-recorded, and Jordan found that out one day when he got to the arena super early and saw the staff watching it.

Armed with the knowledge of who would emerge victorious, Michael bet Scottie $100 when he saw the race come up on the screen, and obviously he won. He would continue to do this for the rest of the season, and PIPPEN NEVER FIGURED IT OUT."

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2016/6/11/11909874/michael-jordan-scottie-pippen-jumbotron-races-bet

Has Lebron ever done this?  Doubt it.  Case closed.

 
Thoughts on game 6?

I think the Cav's extend this series yet again. Maybe we do get the signature game of this series in a fantastic back and forth nail biter that will be decided in the last 2 minutes. 
I kinda felt like Game 5 was the signature game of the series we'd been waiting for.  First half was amazing, both teams firing on all cylinders offensively, best basketball of the playoffs along with some of the OKC- GSW series. Home team was playing to win the title in front of their home fans, with a loss meaning a greater than 50% chance they'd have to get it done in a Game 7. Green's absence added a little extra spice. I know the final margin wasn't close, but that really surprised me.  With <7 minutes left in the 4th it was a six point game and I told my wife I thought the Warriors would win.

 
I kinda felt like Game 5 was the signature game of the series we'd been waiting for.  First half was amazing, both teams firing on all cylinders offensively, best basketball of the playoffs along with some of the OKC- GSW series. Home team was playing to win the title in front of their home fans, with a loss meaning a greater than 50% chance they'd have to get it done in a Game 7. Green's absence added a little extra spice. I know the final margin wasn't close, but that really surprised me.  With <7 minutes left in the 4th it was a six point game and I told my wife I thought the Warriors would win.
:goodposting:

I thought the same, and they had their chances. They just couldn't hit the open looks they got. Still, that was a whale of a game from Irving and especially James. Problem is, they have to do that 2 more times and have the Warriors brick opens shots to win it all. I just don't see that happening.

 

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