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2015 NBA Thread: I felt a great disturbance in the trolls, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. (3 Viewers)

Dear god, Love and Thompson played exceptional defense on two of those Curry shots in the 4th quarter forcing off balance shots (it might be more, but those are the two I remember) I guess you could argue that he choked not getting open, but unlike some other possessions, there was good D there.

BTW, if you want to criticize GS for anything, it's that they didn't run the faux-Thompson Curry PnR when Thompson peals off instead of picking Currys man.  Cleveland never defended it well, but GS decided to run conventional PnRs with Curry and a big.

 
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Sammy3469 said:
Dear god, Love and Thompson played exceptional defense on two of those Curry shots in the 4th quarter forcing off balance shots.  I guess you could argue that he choked not getting open, but unlike some other possessions, there was good D there.

BTW, if you want to criticize GS for anything, it's that they didn't run the faux-Thompson Curry PnR when Thompson peals off instead of picking Currys man.  Cleveland never defended it well, but GS decided to run conventional PnRs with Curry and a big.
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Yeah, Curry's behind the back pass went out of bounds because of great defense.

:coffee:

 
Insein said:
So game 7, showing up small, making bone headed behind the back turnovers, and being intimidated by Lebron after he had been in such control the whole year was not shrinking from the moment?
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Solid stuff.  I like how you told me I was wrong on everything, couldn't even compute a simple average for three numbers and then criticize someone for making "bone headed" plays all in a span of a few posts.

The assets to this thread are amazing.

 
Abraham said:
The 12 for George Hill?   Seems like a good move if you want to be picking 12th again next year. 
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Hill had a 21.5 PER in 2014-15. Then the Pacers signed Monta Ellis and he went back to not shooting.

You can argue it's not a great long-term move, but the Jazz definitely got better for next year. Hill's an upgrade over Trey Burke, and they weren't likely to find an immediate impact player at 12 in this draft.

 
Peyton Marino said:
my favorite part is how he put the single quotation marks around variance for emphasis, as if it's not a real thing.
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My favorite part is how so many people are trying to make excuses for Curry's choke job. Other than one game, he wasn't great in the finals at all. He's the league MVP. And he was an average player when it mattered most. 6 for 19 shooting! 1 for 6 in the fourth.  Holy crap, had that been Lebron, the internet would have broke.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Dear god, Love and Thompson played exceptional defense on two of those Curry shots in the 4th quarter forcing off balance shots (it might be more, but those are the two I remember) I guess you could argue that he choked not getting open, but unlike some other possessions, there was good D there.

BTW, if you want to criticize GS for anything, it's that they didn't run the faux-Thompson Curry PnR when Thompson peals off instead of picking Currys man.  Cleveland never defended it well, but GS decided to run conventional PnRs with Curry and a big.
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You should post more.  Thompson was incredible guarding Curry.  

 
Curry didn't choke. 

Curry didn't play as well as he had been playing in the regular season.

There is a difference.

So how about that draft?

 
GOB said:
Curry didn't choke. 

Curry didn't play as well as he had been playing in the regular season.

There is a difference.

So how about that draft?
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Curry didn't play as well as he did in previous series of the same playoffs. In the final game of the season, he played poorly. If he was named Andrew Bogut, he can get a pass. Since he's the reigning two time MVP, that's a choke because he has shown he's capable of much more. His lack of top level play cost his team a championship.

 
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JuniorNB said:
My favorite part is how so many people are trying to make excuses for Curry's choke job. Other than one game, he wasn't great in the finals at all. He's the league MVP. And he was an average player when it mattered most. 6 for 19 shooting! 1 for 6 in the fourth.  Holy crap, had that been Lebron, the internet would have broke.
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It would probably be wise for you to stop posting.

 
Thunderlips said:
Where's Thon Maker end up?
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SOD.  KU was one of many schools recruiting him, but didn't offer a scholarship because they didn't think they could clear him as an academically-qualified amateur.  (And KU spent over $150K to clear Diallo against long odds.). 

Maker's got the talent, some concern about motor and his handlers.  IMO an ideal player to swing for the fences on at pick 1.20 or lower.  

 
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Insein said:
Curry didn't play as well as he did in previous series of the same playoffs. In the final game of the season, he played poorly. If he was named Andrew Bogut, he can get a pass. Since he's the reigning two time MVP, that's a choke because he has shown he's capable of much more. His lack of top level play cost his team a championship.
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This is what I don't get. If Curry wants to be considered one of the league's elite players, why does he get a pass for his performance in the finals? Everyone knows that guys like Peyton Manning get absolutely destroyed for not performing in Super Bowls like they do in the regular season. No one excuses it as 'variance'. He was labeled a choker his entire career. League MVP on the greatest regular season team in NBA history and we get a 6 for 19 in game seven. The definition of a choker is a player who doesn't rise to the occasion in big moments. I'd say 1 for 6 in the fourth quarter of a game seven qualifies.

 
rodg12 said:
DRose and Melo on the same squad.  I can hear Cliff and Bruce rejoicing all the way from here.
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Can't wait for Rose and Melo to wrestle over the ball for a couple seconds, have a ref signal for a jump ball, then wave it off after realizing Rose and Melo play for the same team.  

They're gonna ditch the triangle and run the same offense Will Smith and Carlton Banks ran at Bel Air Academy.

 
JuniorNB said:
My favorite part is how so many people are trying to make excuses for Curry's choke job. Other than one game, he wasn't great in the finals at all. He's the league MVP. And he was an average player when it mattered most. 6 for 19 shooting! 1 for 6 in the fourth.  Holy crap, had that been Lebron, the internet would have broke.
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I think this is just a case of you putting too much stock into one game because it was an important game.  Importance does not erase the need for a significant number of trials (shots) to be able to draw a meaningful conclusion (such as "Curry choked" or "Curry is not clutch").  You can choose to ride that narrative, but know that it's, at best, misguided.  

Anyways - no point in arguing this further. I sense this is a systemic trait present in any sort of analysis you do, so continuing the discussion isn't likely to be productive.  Best to just move on.  Lots of good trades happening right now

 
Apparently this Teague/Hill/pick trade can't be officially announced until July.  So they will quite possibly have to go through the charade of whoever being picked by the Jazz at 12.

 
SWC said:
what do you scanny guys think ellensen will do in the nba i like him but man i think he will look awful slow on d bromigos take that to the bank
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I watched a lot of Marquette this year.  Henry is kind of a mixed bag and far from a finished product at 19.  There's definitely a good combination of size and skills there.  His post moves and hook shot are nice.  I wish more of his 3PT would go down but his shot looks good and the accuracy will come. 

The foot speed is a problem though and probably always will be.  When he and Fischer shared the court, MU had better front court size than most of their opponents but Ellenson was often late on weak side.  He seems coachable and should improve his positioning but he's never going to be much of a rim protector.

 
Peyton Marino said:
I think this is just a case of you putting too much stock into one game because it was an important game.  Importance does not erase the need for a significant number of trials (shots) to be able to draw a meaningful conclusion (such as "Curry choked" or "Curry is not clutch").  You can choose to ride that narrative, but know that it's, at best, misguided.  

Anyways - no point in arguing this further. I sense this is a systemic trait present in any sort of analysis you do, so continuing the discussion isn't likely to be productive.  Best to just move on.  Lots of good trades happening right now
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He's young. I agree that we need a bigger body of work to see if he is a choker or if it was an aberration. Many are calling Jordan Spieth a choker after what he did at last year's British Open. Like Curry, he's young and talented and will have many opportunities to shake that mantra. Time will tell.

 
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