2015 NBA Thread: I felt a great disturbance in the trolls, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. (2 Viewers)

[Master of Past and Present]

Only two ways to go from here. 

One, do something incredibly stupid like sign Howard to a long deal and then re-up Rose next summer.

Two, use this move to clear off two years of Lopez money and have a ton of money open for next summer when you let Rose walk.  Start the team over with Porzingis, 2017 high draft pick, hopefully some well used FA money.  

Guess we'll know soon in free agency if they are going short term 'we have a chance to win mentality -  ' or we need to start over mentality.

Nevermind, it's the Knicks, they are going for the moronic way of going about things so Howard it is.    

 

[GOB]

Only two ways to go from here. 

One, do something incredibly stupid like sign Howard to a long deal and then re-up Rose next summer.

Two, use this move to clear off two years of Lopez money and have a ton of money open for next summer when you let Rose walk.  Start the team over with Porzingis, 2017 high draft pick, hopefully some well used FA money.  

Guess we'll know soon in free agency if they are going short term 'we have a chance to win mentality -  ' or we need to start over mentality.

Nevermind, it's the Knicks, they are going for the moronic way of going about things so Howard it is.    

Knicks should trade Melo.

Abe, can you fire me up a couple trades from your new favorite team from the East.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

D Rose for R Lopez? Knicks get a name and Bulls get a productive player. 

 

[Jayrod]

They're gonna ditch the triangle and run the same offense Will Smith and Carlton Banks ran at Bel Air Academy.

    People in the office are looking at me funny after I nearly joked on a drink of water I took right as I was reading this.

 

[Master of Past and Present]

Knicks should trade Melo.

Abe, can you fire me up a couple trades from your new favorite team from the East.

Can only hope part of this plan is it goes so sideways Melo is begging to waive his no trade clause to ball with a pal and they get anything for him.  Clear cap space would be good enough though.

 

[JuniorNB]

Rose, Melo, Porzingas, Howard.... Might be good enough to make the Eastern playoffs.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

 Ian Begley: The Knicks are looking to upgrade their backcourt this offseason. But if they have any interest in a center, one of the top bigs on the market would be open to signing with them. The Knicks are one of several teams Dwight Howard would consider in free agency, league sources say. Howard told friends earlier in the season that he was interested in playing for the Knicks; that interest remains as Howard approaches free agency, per league sources. It’s unclear, though, if Phil Jackson and the Knicks would have any interest in Howard. They signed Robin Lopez to a four-year contract last summer. Lopez was a bright spot for the club during last year’s 32-win campaign. The club is expected to have at least $30 million in cap space this summer. 

– via Twitter IanBegley
 
 

 

[Frostillicus]

Some guys list of the 25 least valuable players in the NBA based on some stat he made up that I didn't take the time to read.

Spoiler

25. Nick Young

24. Nik Stauskas

23. Randy Foye

22. O.J. Mayo

21. Dante Cunningham

20. Steve Blake

19. JaKarr Sampson

18. Alonzo Gee

17. Kelly Oubre

16. P.J. Hairston

15. Marcelo Huertas

14. Nick Collison

13. Ty Lawson

12. Kyle Singler

11. Noah Vonleh

10. Luc Mbah a Moute

9. Omer Asik

8. Adreian Payne

7. Tony Snell

6. James Anderson

5. Johnny O'Bryant

4. Mike Miller

3. Tayshaun Prince

2. Rashad Vaughn

1. Andrea Bargnani

 

[hxperson]

This is what I don't get. If Curry wants to be considered one of the league's elite players, why does he get a pass for his performance in the finals? Everyone knows that guys like Peyton Manning get absolutely destroyed for not performing in Super Bowls like they do in the regular season. No one excuses it as 'variance'. He was labeled a choker his entire career. League MVP on the greatest regular season team in NBA history and we get a 6 for 19 in game seven. The definition of a choker is a player who doesn't rise to the occasion in big moments. I'd say 1 for 6 in the fourth quarter of a game seven qualifies.

Curry won a championship last year, his first time in the Finals.   So it will take more than 1 bad game for him to be saddled with the choker label.  

IMO Durant seems to be the one getting the free pass.   Up 3-2 with a chance to close it out at home, he shoots 33% including 1/8 from 3.  

 

[coyote5]

what do you scanny guys think ellensen will do in the nba i like him but man i think he will look awful slow on d bromigos take that to the bank

But he's a strrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeetch 4.  Everybody needs one of them these days

 

[JuniorNB]

Curry won a championship last year, his first time in the Finals.   So it will take more than 1 bad game for him to be saddled with the choker label.  

IMO Durant seems to be the one is getting the free pass.   Up 3-2 with a chance to close it out at home, he shoots 33% including 1/8 from 3.  

And Curry underformed last year also. That's why he didn't win MVP. A team's 'best player' almost always wins the MVP if his team wins the Championship.

 

[The Kansas Comet]

Rose goes to the Knicks

Teague to the Pacers

 

[Bull Dozier]

Looks like Chicago made room at PG so they could trade Butler for Rubio at the #5.

 

[Chemical X]

as a knick fan since the 70s Who watched some games last year, this is fine by me.  getting 1 year of an expiring rose And offloading calderon Who was an abysmal waste And Lopez, Who had at least 50 games of little to no impact is a win.  grant is no more than bench fodder.  

 

[Cliff Clavin]

as a knick fan since the 70s Who watched some games last year, this is fine by me.  getting 1 year of an expiring rose And offloading calderon Who was an abysmal waste And Lopez, Who had at least 50 games of little to no impact is a win.  grant is no more than bench fodder.  

Now what if I told you Calderon and Rose were essentially equals last year

 

[Juxtatarot]

Looks like Chicago made room at PG so they could trade Butler for Rubio at the #5.

Bulls aren't trading Butler.

 

[JuniorNB]

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/stephen-curry-golden-state-warriors-finals-mvp-worst-ever-062016

Curry has worst finals performance by a MVP in league history.

Ands last year's performance is fourth on the list.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

In 1986 the 76ers had the #1 pick.  They had acquired it 7 years earlier from the Clippers.

They had just drafted Charles Barkley the year before. They were 54-28 with the 4th best record in the league.

The lock for the #1 was Brad Daugherty.

They proceeded to shit the bed and trade away the #1 (for Hinson) ... and also Moses Malone with two future 1st rounders (for Jeff Ruland and others).

 

[Juxtatarot]

I think Calderon is a good system guy, right?  Hoiberg should like that.  I assume his defense is bad though?

I'm glad the Bulls are moving on from Rose.  I'm pleased with the trade, overall.  They needed a center with Gasol and Noah likely gone.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

K.C. Johnson Verified account ‏@KCJHoop


The Bulls are sending Derrick Rose, Justin Holiday and a 2017 2nd-round pick for Robin Lopez, Jerian Grant and Jose Calderon, per source.

I would have liked to have given Grant a chance to develop, but honestly they didn't give up much - probably aren't getting much from Rose either of course.

 

[Chemical X]

Now what if I told you Calderon and Rose were essentially equals last year

I would tell you that rose has a greater upside and is 7 years younger (chronologically).  believe me, I am no fan of rose and know his issues, but seriously, calderon on the court was no different from me pushing around a coffin on a dolley for 33 minutes. 

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

 Ian Begley: The Knicks are looking to upgrade their backcourt this offseason. But if they have any interest in a center, one of the top bigs on the market would be open to signing with them. The Knicks are one of several teams Dwight Howard would consider in free agency, league sources say. Howard told friends earlier in the season that he was interested in playing for the Knicks; that interest remains as Howard approaches free agency, per league sources. It’s unclear, though, if Phil Jackson and the Knicks would have any interest in Howard. They signed Robin Lopez to a four-year contract last summer. Lopez was a bright spot for the club during last year’s 32-win campaign. The club is expected to have at least $30 million in cap space this summer. 

– via Twitter IanBegley
 
 

#### YEAH

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

 Ian Begley: The Knicks are looking to upgrade their backcourt this offseason. But if they have any interest in a center, one of the top bigs on the market would be open to signing with them. The Knicks are one of several teams Dwight Howard would consider in free agency, league sources say. Howard told friends earlier in the season that he was interested in playing for the Knicks; that interest remains as Howard approaches free agency, per league sources. It’s unclear, though, if Phil Jackson and the Knicks would have any interest in Howard. They signed Robin Lopez to a four-year contract last summer. Lopez was a bright spot for the club during last year’s 32-win campaign. The club is expected to have at least $30 million in cap space this summer. 

– via Twitter IanBegley
 
 

Oh please oh please

 

[Chemical X]

let's roll the mcdyess!

 

[GOB]

Some guys list of the 25 least valuable players in the NBA based on some stat he made up that I didn't take the time to read.

Spoiler

25. Nick Young

24. Nik Stauskas

23. Randy Foye

22. O.J. Mayo

21. Dante Cunningham

20. Steve Blake

19. JaKarr Sampson

18. Alonzo Gee

17. Kelly Oubre

16. P.J. Hairston

15. Marcelo Huertas

14. Nick Collison

13. Ty Lawson

12. Kyle Singler

11. Noah Vonleh

10. Luc Mbah a Moute

9. Omer Asik

8. Adreian Payne

7. Tony Snell

6. James Anderson

5. Johnny O'Bryant

4. Mike Miller

3. Tayshaun Prince

2. Rashad Vaughn

1. Andrea Bargnani

Just looking at the list, my best guess for the stat is number of Asian ladies they've pointed to in the first few rows and got rejected.

Am I wrong?

 

[SWC]

one fifth of that list is or was a buck which is why i drink take that to the bank bromigos 

 

[Good Posting Judge]

as a knick fan since the 70s Who watched some games last year, this is fine by me.  getting 1 year of an expiring rose And offloading calderon Who was an abysmal waste And Lopez, Who had at least 50 games of little to no impact is a win.  grant is no more than bench fodder.  

Lopez is good. Especially for what he's getting paid. Phil can't wait 12 months to sign a shot Derrick Rose without giving up any players, I guess.

 

[Plorfu]

A Look Back at Derrick Rose, the Bulls' All-Time Greatest Patient

 

[saintfool]

 Ian Begley: The Knicks are looking to upgrade their backcourt this offseason. But if they have any interest in a center, one of the top bigs on the market would be open to signing with them. The Knicks are one of several teams Dwight Howard would consider in free agency, league sources say. Howard told friends earlier in the season that he was interested in playing for the Knicks; that interest remains as Howard approaches free agency, per league sources. It’s unclear, though, if Phil Jackson and the Knicks would have any interest in Howard. They signed Robin Lopez to a four-year contract last summer. Lopez was a bright spot for the club during last year’s 32-win campaign. The club is expected to have at least $30 million in cap space this summer. 

– via Twitter IanBegley
 



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if Timmy retires then I might be interested in a Dwight addition. He would be a fun experiment for Pop.

 

[Sammy3469]

Lopez is good. Especially for what he's getting paid. Phil can't wait 12 months to sign a shot Derrick Rose without giving up any players, I guess.

Lopez is redundant to whatever they end up doing though since Porzingis will end up being a stretch 5.  This is really just trading for Rose's Bird Rights which in the grand scheme is fine especially since they really only were giving up Grant and Lopez (i.e. Parts)

 

[pollardsvision]

Looks like Chicago made room at PG so they could trade Butler for Rubio at the #5.

Chicago has had lots of room at PG for the last few years.

 

[Bobcat10]

It was pretty awesome being at a championship parade for the first time. They are saying 1.3 million people were down there today. Not too shabby. People have wanted this for a long time. 

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Expecting LBJ to hammered for all the S, F and MF bombs he dropped today at the ceremony at the end of the parade.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

He's finally gone!!!

Enjoy him New York   I'm sure he'll do wonders for Porzingis and you guys will be in the Finals in no time.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Now what if I told you Calderon and Rose were essentially equals last year

Not surprised. And I'd take Calderon as a backup over Rose who is a backup talent at this point that makes everyone around him worse. Bulls need a facilitator. Not a guy that pound the ball on the floor for 20 seconds that can't shoot or finish at the rim. Terrible at both ends.And zero ball movement anytime Rose was on the floor.

Bulls have more than enough offense with Butler, Mirotic, Portis and McDermott. I just now pray if they do take a PG at some point in the draft that it's not Wade Baldwin but Tyler Ulis. If Ulis's hip issue isn't severe or have long term impact, he will be one of the best players to come from this draft. 

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Not surprised. And I'd take Calderon as a backup over Rose who is a backup talent at this point that makes everyone around him worse. Bulls need a facilitator. Not a guy that pound the ball on the floor for 20 seconds that can't shoot or finish at the rim. Terrible at both ends.

Bulls have more than enough offense with Butler, Mirotic, Portis and McDermott. I just now pray if they do take a PG in the draft that it's not Wade Baldwin but Tyler Ulis. If Ulis's hip issue isn't severe or have long term impact, he will be one of the best players to come from this draft. 

I've always been a big Calderon fan. Nothing flashy. Runs a great offence. Was incredibly efficient. Knows who to get the ball to at the right time. Very smart. Obviously his athleticism is subpar, to put it nicely. Knows what to do on D but his body can't keep up. Was an excellent bargain PG in his prime. 10-15 minutes isn't going to hurt you during the regular season and would be a great mentor.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Lopez is redundant to whatever they end up doing though since Porzingis will end up being a stretch 5.  This is really just trading for Rose's Bird Rights which in the grand scheme is fine especially since they really only were giving up Grant and Lopez (i.e. Parts)

Man, I...I don't know.

His VORP for the last three years total, after he missed an entire year with injury, is -0.6. He can't shoot. He doesn't get to the line. If he's not shot as a player, I would be very surprised. 

If the Howard rumors are true, I feel like NYK is heading down the same path that PrimeZeke(tm) did -- paying big money for name players who are way past their expiration date.

Also disagree vehemently with your characterization of Lopez. If you're intent on getting rid of him and letting KP just play C all the time, get someone or something good for a cost-effective starter. Grant's a decent player who Chicago stole and NYK didn't have to give up.

 

[SayWhat?]

This is what I don't get. If Curry wants to be considered one of the league's elite players, why does he get a pass for his performance in the finals? Everyone knows that guys like Peyton Manning get absolutely destroyed for not performing in Super Bowls like they do in the regular season. No one excuses it as 'variance'. He was labeled a choker his entire career. League MVP on the greatest regular season team in NBA history and we get a 6 for 19 in game seven. The definition of a choker is a player who doesn't rise to the occasion in big moments. I'd say 1 for 6 in the fourth quarter of a game seven qualifies.

We get it.  You've laid out your case about eight times now with the same info.  Just please stop now. 

 

[SWC]

man i wonder where junior nb sits on the whole curry thing brohans i probably will not sleep until he fills us in take that to the bank

 

[strykerpks]

one fifth of that list is or was a buck which is why i drink take that to the bank bromigos 

No it's not. 

 

[SWC]

blake mayo obryant mybooty and vaughn brohans that is five and that is one five of twenty five i just double checked my math take that to the bank bromatho 

 

[GOB]

blake mayo obryant mybooty and vaughn brohans that is five and that is one five of twenty five i just double checked my math take that to the bank bromatho 

I took it as him disagreeing with "that's why you drink" comment.

 

[SWC]

oh well he probably has a point there score one strykerperks well played my friend take that to the bank brochacho

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

How soon does Howard sign with the Knicks?

 

[Britney Spears]

Most people around here probably labeled him adequate and some probably above average pointing to steal stats or whatever.  

I definitely was surprised how often the Cavs targeted him and how often he looked helpless in the finals. They definitely put a ton of pressure on himand wore him down. I'm also guessing this (and maybe injury, we may never know) factored into his offensive "struggles" much more than any magical playoff referee changes. 

Seems like every year people would rather blame the refs, make excuses or say someone choked than give credit to the team that won for a good strategy and execution. 

 

[mr. furley]

poor Rose.  one of the most disappointing NBA careers in a long time at least for me personally. he's a target for jokes because of injury. sucks.

that said, the next time an NBA trade happens and there's anything even remotely close to something that could be considered a consensus opinion, i will eat my own feces. it's not bad enough that there's no majority in favor/against the trade. but there are 93 different opinions on each player, who should have been included, who sucks, who belongs somewhere else, what teams are going to do going forward, etc. and EVERYBODY thinks everyone else with an opinion is an idiot

no sport has fans more divided, confused and scattered than the NBA does with its transactions

 

[Long Ball Larry]

poor Rose.  one of the most disappointing NBA careers in a long time at least for me personally. he's a target for jokes because of injury. sucks.

that said, the next time an NBA trade happens and there's anything even remotely close to something that could be considered a consensus opinion, i will eat my own feces. it's not bad enough that there's no majority in favor/against the trade. but there are 93 different opinions on each player, who should have been included, who sucks, who belongs somewhere else, what teams are going to do going forward, etc. and EVERYBODY thinks everyone else with an opinion is an idiot

no sport has fans more divided, confused and scattered than the NBA does with its transactions

I don't agree with this.

 

[Britney Spears]

Not surprisingly teams are lining up.

The Pistons and Bucks are reportedly interested in unrestricted free agent Matthew Dellavedova.
Brian Windhorst of ESPN is reporting that both the Pistons and Bucks sent scouts to the Cavs playoff games, and he believes that those scouts were analyzing Dellavedova's game. Both the Bucks and the Pistons could use a future 1st ballot HOF point guard, and Windhorst is reporting that they are prepared to offer Dellavedova something in the $500 million range as an unrestricted free agent. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Delly will be a 1st round fantasy option on either club.

Related: Pistons, Bucks
 
Source: Lowe Post Podcast

Really disappointed in the lack of Delly controversy in this years finals. At least we had JoeT. 

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Really disappointed in the lack of Delly controversy in this years finals. At least we had JoeT. 

Delly is crushing the championship victory lap

 

[DallasDMac]

Curry won a championship last year, his first time in the Finals.   So it will take more than 1 bad game for him to be saddled with the choker label.  

IMO Durant seems to be the one getting the free pass.   Up 3-2 with a chance to close it out at home, he shoots 33% including 1/8 from 3.  

No free pass for Durant. There was talk all season of the Choklahoma Blunder and their fourth quarter meltdowns. If anything, their last series only magnified it tenfold. I think Durant is definitely saddled with the Choker label until he does something to remove it.