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How have the raiders been doing vs TE's lately? Early in the season it was a no brainer to start one, but I'm wondering about using my flex on R. Rodgers or not.

 
Deamon said:
How have the raiders been doing vs TE's lately? Early in the season it was a no brainer to start one, but I'm wondering about using my flex on R. Rodgers or not.
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We're doing much better. I'm also a rodgers owner and thinking of dumping him as one of my rookie draft drops. Just seems like Arod could care less about his TE.

 
Sarlakticacid said:
... And this is why

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000060639/article/travis-goethels-poor-snaps-doom-oakland-raiders
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They were probably right to go for two in that instance without a backup option at LS but the fact that they don't even have a backup seems overly risky. What if the game is tied late in the 4th and they have a 4th and long situation inside the opponent's 30? Only having the option to go for it is kind of crazy. And what Travis Goethel, who is out of the league, did in 2012 doesn't really seem that relevant.

 
FreshiZ said:
Deamon said:
How have the raiders been doing vs TE's lately? Early in the season it was a no brainer to start one, but I'm wondering about using my flex on R. Rodgers or not.
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We're doing much better. I'm also a rodgers owner and thinking of dumping him as one of my rookie draft drops. Just seems like Arod could care less about his TE.
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Vernon Davis went 7-74 and would have had another 20 or so if he didn't have a horrible drop.

Travis Kelce went 2-42

Delanie Walker went 6-91

Det TEs had one catch for eight yards

Kyle Ruldolph had 1-7

Heath Miller went 3-32

Jeff Cumberland went 5-77

Ladarius Green went 4-45-1

Denver TEs got nothing

Martellus Bennett went 11-83-1

Gary Barnidge had 6-105-1

Crockett Gilmore went 5-88-2

Tyler Eifert went 9-104-2

After giving up seven TDs to TEs in their first six games they have given up only one TD in their last seven games.

 
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krsone21 said:
Chaka said:
Softening my stance on the 2 point conversion. Condo was legitimately hurt but it's disappointing that there was no backup option. They must have at least one special teamer or backup player on the game day roster who gets reps long snapping.
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Lee Smith is the backup option, however he is injured as well and his hand is taped up which makes it tough to snap the ball.

Edit to add: One beat me to it.
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I can't find any news on Smith's injury. Did it happen in game?
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Wrist injury that required a surgery, missed one game and has been playing with it casted since.

 
Watching the replay of the game, Mack could have had at least 8 sacks. He was literally fingertips away from Brock on a handful of other passes. And a large portion of the 1st quarter he was dropping into pass coverage.

 
ICON211 said:
Sarlakticacid said:
Our record with back up snappers not so good from recent memory.

Was it our last Monday night game where Condo got concussed and the back up messed up A LOT of his snaps against SD and I'm sure he was a linebacker but can't remember his name
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I was going to post something along these lines. I don't remember the exact circumstances or when it was, but I remember the same general thing. Pretty poor planning not to have a viable option in case of an in game injury. Overall i have been pretty pleased with the coaching staff though.
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i was at that game. it was a couple years ago and was the opening monday night game of the season. horrible

 
why do they not run many bubble screens to cooper? i was screaming for one at the end of the last game when they kept just plugging murray up the middle. i know, don't risk stopping the clock, but that's a pretty safe throw. the offense is a tad predictable to me.

 
DA RAIDERS said:
why do they not run many bubble screens to cooper? i was screaming for one at the end of the last game when they kept just plugging murray up the middle. i know, don't risk stopping the clock, but that's a pretty safe throw. the offense is a tad predictable to me.
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The O is predictable and flat. The Raiders need to do something to put some life into it. Seems like I wrote this same thing a week or 2 ago. Maybe going to the hurry-up would jolt the O.

 
Yeah, I'm with you.

I'm not one to bash coaching because I often feel the better players win, and I never feel like I know enough football to really know if a coordinator is competent or not, but I feel like the offense is disjointed.

 
From that list, my completely uninformed guesses as to whom they might like. All the top guys are in play, so having said that:

Casey Hayward--Green Bay history, slot guy. Quick inside stuff has killed us. Might not be a sexy addition, and may not be a starter, but I could see him being a nicely priced corner at a spot of need. If we signed two corners, and he was the 2nd, I would be fine with that.

Prince Amukamara--i could see this as a one year Crabtree deal, where he could join an up and coming team, and try for bigger deal. He has played some really good football.

Trumaine Johnson--FIts the physical mold, and won't command top, top dollar. I'll take him and Janoris Jenkins both from the Rams if you let me.

Josh Norman, I had no idea he was that old. Carolina would be smart to franchise him and let him go afterward.

You seriously cannot have too many corners. If they went out and paid $20 mill/year combined for three of them, I would dance a freaking jig.

 
massraider said:
From that list, my completely uninformed guesses as to whom they might like. All the top guys are in play, so having said that:

Casey Hayward--Green Bay history, slot guy. Quick inside stuff has killed us. Might not be a sexy addition, and may not be a starter, but I could see him being a nicely priced corner at a spot of need. If we signed two corners, and he was the 2nd, I would be fine with that.

Prince Amukamara--i could see this as a one year Crabtree deal, where he could join an up and coming team, and try for bigger deal. He has played some really good football.

Trumaine Johnson--FIts the physical mold, and won't command top, top dollar. I'll take him and Janoris Jenkins both from the Rams if you let me.

Josh Norman, I had no idea he was that old. Carolina would be smart to franchise him and let him go afterward.

You seriously cannot have too many corners. If they went out and paid $20 mill/year combined for three of them, I would dance a freaking jig
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Agreed on all of the above points. Wouldn't mind seeing them sign another safety as well....Maybe Rashad Johnson from AZ is a possibility.

 
I didn't realize Norman was that old either. He still has at least 3 solid years left. Willie Brown and Haynes played into their 30s IIRC. And while he is not a CB, just look what that old man Woodson is doing! :)

We get Aldon Smith back next year teamed with Mack and the ever improving Edwards... Wow!

 
Chaka said:
Sarlakticacid said:
... And this is why

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000060639/article/travis-goethels-poor-snaps-doom-oakland-raiders
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They were probably right to go for two in that instance without a backup option at LS but the fact that they don't even have a backup seems overly risky. What if the game is tied late in the 4th and they have a 4th and long situation inside the opponent's 30? Only having the option to go for it is kind of crazy. And what Travis Goethel, who is out of the league, did in 2012 doesn't really seem that relevant.
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Totally agree on all counts. Watching the replay of the game Condo hurt his shoulder recovering the fumble and they scored 3 plays later.

 
Chaka said:
Feliciano may be getting the start at RG.

Also has a brief update on every rookie draft pick in what is shaping up to be another good, to excellent, draft class.
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Yeah, that's a great read.

To me, when GMs color outside the lines, that's when you judge them. One could argue that Mack and Carr were chalk, and weren't the sign of a great GM. I don't totally disagree with that, but any GM that makes the right pick deserves credit, even if it's for taking Luck #1 overall.

But I think it's the 'reaches' or surprises where they show their stuff. The picks everyone can't stand Edwards in the 2nd round, with some higher 'consensus' ranked DL out there, is a player it's really worth judging him. People raised eyebrows at Ball. . Hayden is another one. McKenzie will face more criticism, or deserve more praise, for Edwards thank Cooper. Which is fair, if not exactly correct.

Really though, he's shown his stuff with getting players off the scrap heap, and late in the draft. Denico Autry, UDFA last year. David Amerson, claimed off waivers in September. Seth Roberts, UDFA. J'Marcus Webb, scrap heap free agent.

I don't believe any GM is going to bat .700 in the draft. Free agency, both the big money and scrap heap variety, team have to make good decisions that can ease the impact of a bad draft pick. And it's the best way to guarantee long term success, is getting production from low-priced talent. If the Raiders can lock up their difference-makers long term, and not overpay at other positions, that's a great thing.

I think the jury is out on whether he is a great drafter. These young guys have to get better, and fulfil potential. And let's be honest, you're only as good as your last draft to most people.

But I don't think you can deny he judges NFL vets very well, and that, to me, gives me as much hope for the future as his draft record.

 
No pulse on this thread after a pretty good game against a strong playoff team.

Started horribly. Persevered. Fought back. Showed character imo.

Sure GB isn't the power house most thought they'd be this year but still...they're going to the playoffs and we were close to knocking them off.

Looking forward to what happens this offseason both free agency and draft.

Building a contender for sure.

 
joey said:
No pulse on this thread after a pretty good game against a strong playoff team.

Started horribly. Persevered. Fought back. Showed character imo.

Sure GB isn't the power house most thought they'd be this year but still...they're going to the playoffs and we were close to knocking them off.

Looking forward to what happens this offseason both free agency and draft.

Building a contender for sure.
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''The good ...the bad ...and the ugly''

 
Ugly game. My view was that Carr put his team in a hole, and then had a good game afterwards, that could have been better if his teammates had stepped up.

Latavius looked good, really good. Wish they had fed him more early, but really, that's the only complaint for Musgrave, and not a huge one. Players dropped the ball today. Ronde Barber was doing the color, and he had a great point about the corners: They were in position, but panicked, playing scared. PI calls where the defender could have turned around, and made a play.

But it wasn't just them. Andre Holmes with a terrible drop, without Crabtree and Roberts in this game, the passing game had a tough road. Crabtree with a brain fart false start for no apparent reason. Walford, it looked like he went the wrong way on a seam route, running a flag vs. a post, and it would have been a TD.

Watching this game, I think the reason Carr looks so much better in misdirection and play action is because I think only Cooper and Walford can consistently get open on their own. When they run 4 wide, obvious passing situations, there's a lot of covered people.

I watched a lot of Feliciano, I thought it was a decent first game. Not perfect in pass pro, as to be expected, but he looks like a road grader. One of Latavius' big runs was right off his butt.

Ben Heeney is pretty fun to watch. He looks a little like the Waterboy, I hear Adam Sandler's desperate whine in my head everytime I focus on him. :D If you are going to have an undersized speedball at MLB, you better have big butts in front of him, and we do. Ellis and Dan Williams have been great all year, IMO. I love watching defensive tackles, and backs have been running into piles of bodies up the gut all year.

Funny how the pass rush was missing Edwards, I might be overstating, but he seems pretty vital to the D-line already. Lines up at DE early, inside replacing Ellis on passing downs, and pushing the pocket.

The team wasn't good enough to overcome the good players they were missing yesterday, and the offense let down the defense, which was frustrating.

 
Raiders franchise stats are updated for the Packers game: https://public.tableau.com/profile/chris.holmes#!/vizhome/OaklandRaidersStats/Passing

A few things of note:

  • Derek Carr passed Carson Palmer for Raiders passing yards total and should pass Kerry Collins this year.
  • Whatever you want to say about his mistakes, Carr has now had one of the 10 best statistical QB seasons in Raiders history.
  • This year's team rushing total is now higher than last year's, with 2 games left. I'd call that progress.
  • Latavius can and likely will become the team's first 1,000-yard rusher since McFadden in 2010.
  • It's going to be fun watching Amari Cooper get his name all over the team's receiving record book.
  • Khalil Mack now has more sacks than Richard Seymour got in 4 years.
 
Thanks for all the great years, Charles.

They can call it a "tuck", be we all know it was an amazing blitz and forced fumble.

One of the greats and a first-ballot HOFer.

 
We need to finish strong to carry momentum into 2016. Because the last two games are divisional rivals it will be a battle. Quite honestly, if I had to choose I would rather the Raiders beat the Chiefs at KC and knock them out of the playoffs.

Early look at free agency.

Okung is an interesting proposition if the Raiders don't retain Penn.

Signing Berry would accomplish two goals--filling the CWood's void and weakening a divisional opponent.

Norman is flat out juicy. And Willkerson would be a very nice corner stone to a developing Dline. All of these might be pipe dreams but it is that time of year...

 
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We need to finish strong to carry momentum into 2016. Because the last two games are divisional rivals it will be a battle. Quite honestly, if I had to choose I would rather the Raiders beat the Chiefs at KC and knock them out of the playoffs.

Early look at free agency.

Okung is an interesting proposition if the Raiders don't retain Penn.

Signing Berry would accomplish two goals--filling the CWood's void and weakening a divisional opponent.

Norman is flat out juicy. And Willkerson would be a very nice corner stone to a developing Dline. All of these might be pipe dreams but it is that time of year...
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Not much interest in Okung. Injury prone and, IMO, a bit overrated. Mitchell Schwartz is more intriguing to me.

Berry would be a great signing for exactly the reasons you stated.

I would rather take a shot on a guy like Trumaine Johnson who is young and looks promising than loudmouth like Norman who I worry may ease up after his payday.

 
Chaka said:
32 Counter Pass said:
We need to finish strong to carry momentum into 2016. Because the last two games are divisional rivals it will be a battle. Quite honestly, if I had to choose I would rather the Raiders beat the Chiefs at KC and knock them out of the playoffs.

Early look at free agency.

Okung is an interesting proposition if the Raiders don't retain Penn.

Signing Berry would accomplish two goals--filling the CWood's void and weakening a divisional opponent.

Norman is flat out juicy. And Willkerson would be a very nice corner stone to a developing Dline. All of these might be pipe dreams but it is that time of year...
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Not much interest in Okung. Injury prone and, IMO, a bit overrated. Mitchell Schwartz is more intriguing to me.Berry would be a great signing for exactly the reasons you stated.

I would rather take a shot on a guy like Trumaine Johnson who is young and looks promising than loudmouth like Norman who I worry may ease up after his payday.
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I wouldn't mind if they took a shot on E. Weddle as well. Could use a veteran type safety that tackles well.I also think they should look at Olivier Vernon or V. Miller. Can never have enough elite pass rushers.

Love the idea of Wilkerson as well.

An elite D-Line can mask some of the secondary issues.

 
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Mario Edwards has been moved to the IR due to neck injury.

From Twitter: @VicTafur Del Rio said Edwards' neck injury is significant, may need surgery.

 
That does suck.

Thinking about Okung, I think the team is going to roll with what they have next year, for the most part. Penn/Howard/Watson as top 3 OT. In some manner.

Is the stud LT worth it any more? Is a $9 mill LT help your team better than a $5mill LT? In the day and age of quick passing, do you need a dominant LT?

Penn has been fine, and couldn't be happier to be a Raider. If one of these top guys drops in the draft, fine, take him. I'd wonder if Watson gets some reps there next summer.

Regarding Norman, I wonder if he can play this good again. It's weird that at his age, he became a player, and I can't pretend I have seen him much.

But if it was a deal with outs after two years, sure. I'll pay big dollars for two years of production.

The cautionary tale is Byron Maxwell. There's a good article I was just reading about bad contracts, and his contract is brutal. It would cost 16 mill to cut him next year. Match that with DeMarco Murray, who would cost a ton to cut. Chip Kelly the GM didn't have a great spring. In fact, the Eagles were a sexy team, he should have been able to get some team friendly deals. Those deals look a lot like Al Davis deals.

 
Brandon Browner, Chris Culliver. Last year saw some CBs get paid, then play badly.

Kind of makes me think the team will go after guys that can make 5-7 mill. Still be hungry, and know they have to play well to get paid.

 
Some links to some free agents the Raiders might like:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-news/4688845-josh-norman-contract-panthers-salary-cap-free-agency-carolina

Josh Norman: Basically, no way he doesn't test free agency, and the Panthers can cut Charles Johnson, and franchise him if they like. That's what I think happens.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/mehta-jets-wilkerson-earned-big-sack-cash-article-1.2474589?utm_content=bufferc6acb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=mmehta+twitter

Mo Wilkerson: Basically, they are planning on Richardson's next deal, and love Leo Williams. Think he'll be a free agent. Pretty scary to think of him next to Tuck.

 
massraider said:
That does suck.

Thinking about Okung, I think the team is going to roll with what they have next year, for the most part. Penn/Howard/Watson as top 3 OT. In some manner.

Is the stud LT worth it any more? Is a $9 mill LT help your team better than a $5mill LT? In the day and age of quick passing, do you need a dominant LT?

Penn has been fine, and couldn't be happier to be a Raider. If one of these top guys drops in the draft, fine, take him. I'd wonder if Watson gets some reps there next summer.

Regarding Norman, I wonder if he can play this good again. It's weird that at his age, he became a player, and I can't pretend I have seen him much.

But if it was a deal with outs after two years, sure. I'll pay big dollars for two years of production.

The cautionary tale is Byron Maxwell. There's a good article I was just reading about bad contracts, and his contract is brutal. It would cost 16 mill to cut him next year. Match that with DeMarco Murray, who would cost a ton to cut. Chip Kelly the GM didn't have a great spring. In fact, the Eagles were a sexy team, he should have been able to get some team friendly deals. Those deals look a lot like Al Davis deals.
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I think Penn is on the last year of his contract. I agree that he has played great... particularly for the amount of the contract. He is 32 but still has a few solid years left IMO. Somewhat strange they haven't offered him a contract yet.

Norman's age does not concern me. At minimum he has three elite years left, but I think it is a pipe dream signing him.

Tuck will be 33 next season and hasn't really had a lot of impact on the field. I suspect he may be released in the offseason. Wilkerson would be a sweet upgrade. Can you imagine a front with Edwards, Wilkerson, Mack and A. Smith. Wow!

Agree on the observation above about Weddle.

 
I wouldn't be upset if the Raiders use 4 of their draft picks on DBs and/or Safeties. Throw a bunch of darts and see what sticks. Use the huge amount of cap space to fill some key holes with free agents. But it's all about the defensive backfield imo.

 
joey said:
I wouldn't be upset if the Raiders use 4 of their draft picks on DBs and/or Safeties. Throw a bunch of darts and see what sticks. Use the huge amount of cap space to fill some key holes with free agents. But it's all about the defensive backfield imo.
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If Von Miller ends up a free agent Oakland should aggressively pursue him. Aldon Smith is out for most of next season and Miller/Mack would be an impressive pass rush....

 
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