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Hooper31
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Brown, Bryant, and Wheaton. I know Wheaton hasn't posted numbers like that before today, but I think there's a lot of teams that would love to have him in their starting lineup. Seattle included. Perhaps he just needs the chance to shine. I believe there are lots of great players sitting on the bench waiting for a chance to shine. Granted, more so at RB than at WR, but there are players than just need an opportunity.
The General
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They are great for sure. Just have seen the D getting shredded all season long when they are playing decent teams. Lane coming back and getting back in shape hopefully helps.
Kam holding out and not having the other side opposite Sherman is the killing them IMO. Thomas also just hasn't done his thing this season either.
Still time to turn it around.
PIT offense is good, but the D gave up the most passing yards in the history of the Seahawk's organization today. That is not good D.
Hooper31
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I see fans of other teams rag on Pete Carroll often. They like to point to NCAA infractions while at USC. I've spent some time looking into it today because I really don't know what he did wrong. I knew it involved Reggie Bush and his family getting a house, but no idea what else they were accused of doing wrong.
What am I missing? I can't find any specific allegations. Seems so far like people disliked him for the same reason that I think people dislike Bill Belichick. He just won too much?
What am I missing? I can't find any specific allegations. Seems so far like people disliked him for the same reason that I think people dislike Bill Belichick. He just won too much?
biju
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In watching him quite closely I would say the biggest issue he has is (wait for it) consistency. There are times when he plays like Sherman. But this is also when he follows the technique taught to him and in driving the WR outside like he's supposed to with the kick step. When he doesn't do it he gets out of position which means the defense is out of position and then he gets burned. It's part of the reason why Sherman has been following the #1.
Now with Lane back I'm beginning to wonder if we move back to our old defense, slide Burley (if healthy) in at slot and force Williams to earn it back with consistent and better play.
biju
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I'd honestly put it down as some of the throws Roethlisberger was making were inches away from being intercepted or off target. The guy was on fire yesterday. I think it really was a better case that the Steelers offense was just that good and against nearly any other team we would have won handily.Alkahsu said:
This team is on the rise.
Hooper31
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Agree that some portions of the team are playing better. The O-line standing out more than any other position group. That said, I worry a bit about the pass rush. They keep trying to get home with only four pass rushers consistently until late in the game. I might be off base here, but I didn't see a fifth pass rusher in either the ARI or PIT game until the late third or early fourth quarter. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
What I think I saw was Palmer and Big Ben tearing the secondary apart with no pressure from the rush at all through three quarters. Sure, they want to maximize the effectiveness of bringing more heat with the blitz saving until that right moment, but it feels like getting torched all game long is going to get them beat more than the effectiveness of only using those late blitzes. Maybe not. They did nearly pull off the ARI win. I don't know. Just something else to contemplate.
I wish I knew who was the blame on the defense for getting lit up by TEs. Is that on the LB group? The safeties? Perhaps a combination of both?
biju
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I haven't had a good opportunity to re-watch those games, but now hearing you say that does remind me quite a bit of the 2012 team (which we are headed to a similar fate with as well). I think part of this might be the injuries to Hill and Mebane late last season and maybe them not getting in a full offseason of work. Personally I'd love to see more inside pressure by using a combination of Bennett and/or Clark on the inside with Avril/Irvin outside or some similar variation. It's a bummer that combined Hill and Mebane have zero sacks on the year--that's not something I would have expected.
I hate to say it, but I think part of the issue with TEs is the DC mixing it up a little too much with the defensive calls and also the loss of LB positional coach Ken Norton, who may have been better suited to be the DC anyway.
ImTheScientist
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championship.
biju
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I'm expecting the Cards to beat the Vikings on Thursday soundly (and probably try to show us up some) which will slide us into the 5th spot with us controlling our destiny there. If that's the case I think we have a great shot at winning on the road against the NFC East and getting a good crack at the Cards in the divisional round.
Expect once the Cards secure the #2 spot in the upcoming weeks for them to not show us anything in week 17, with a win guaranteed for us.
biju
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I don't think either team will want to show their hand effectively two weeks before another potential showdown. I agree that Carroll will not take it easy--it's not his nature. I can see Arians thinking this is strategically sound with Palmer playing for a quarter, kind of like a preseason game.
Doctor Detroit
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I'll be at the game this weekend. 
ImTheScientist
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I'm excited to see them in Santa Clara.
Hooper31
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Shades of the 84 team without Curt Warner? Loved that team*. Deep Heat Turner down the sideline played by Lockett. Baldwin as Largent. Glad Wilson isn't as interception prone as Krieg was. Lastly, watching Charlie Young glide down the seam with those crazy long strides. Oh, the memories.
Wilson just had 32 passing attempts in a win. Its the most he's had in a win this season, and that was a blowout win. I have to think that if Rawls doesn't go down with the broken ankle that that passing attempts would have been well under 30. This indicates choosing to throw as opposed to having to throw. Not sure how I feel about deviating from the schedule so much.
Will be interesting to see who they bring in this week. Likely to be someone off a practice squad? Off the street? Lots of names getting thrown around like Hunter and Rice, but I have doubts. Perhaps a name we just don't know yet.
* Holy #### am I old... That was 31 years ago. Damn.
Wilson just had 32 passing attempts in a win. Its the most he's had in a win this season, and that was a blowout win. I have to think that if Rawls doesn't go down with the broken ankle that that passing attempts would have been well under 30. This indicates choosing to throw as opposed to having to throw. Not sure how I feel about deviating from the schedule so much.
Will be interesting to see who they bring in this week. Likely to be someone off a practice squad? Off the street? Lots of names getting thrown around like Hunter and Rice, but I have doubts. Perhaps a name we just don't know yet.
* Holy #### am I old... That was 31 years ago. Damn.
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The General
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You were right about the D (some crappier teams have helped but they are getting that swag back, guys making plays, people being in the right spots, Frank Clark!)
Tell me that can just fill in a Rawls replacement and have Russell pick up the rest of the slack...and that Kam is fine.
Doctor Detroit
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There were definitely more Seahawks fans at the game yesterday than there were at the Super Bowl. I've been to quite a few Seahawks road games and I don't think I've ever seen this many fans.
One thing I guess I don't get is all the costumes. Several mohawk guys, people fully painted, and a guy in a florescent green suite with green alligator skin shoes with no socks.
Only one tool, but the guy was so ####hammered his gf had to carry him out (she was a big girl).
Lots of Hawks fans there, got the Seahawks chant going several times and the Ravens fans could only boo.
One thing I guess I don't get is all the costumes. Several mohawk guys, people fully painted, and a guy in a florescent green suite with green alligator skin shoes with no socks.
Only one tool, but the guy was so ####hammered his gf had to carry him out (she was a big girl).
Lots of Hawks fans there, got the Seahawks chant going several times and the Ravens fans could only boo.
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Doctor Detroit
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Most of the people I met were from Seattle, and all the people I knew that went are from the Pacific NW. Lots of military/govt here, so not sure there were a ton of bandwagon fans from other cities. Maybe, I didn't take a survey.proninja said:
CapnJB
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Still have a long shot chance at the division. 
If the Seahawks beat the Browns and the Rams at home (very possible) and the Cardinals lose to the Eagles on the road and Green Bay (still possible) and the Seahawks win on the road in week 17 in Arizona, it will actually push all the way to the 5th tie breaker for division winners: Strength of Victory. If you toss out all common opponent wins, you are left with Seattle's wins over Dallas and Pittsburgh and the Cards with wins over Cincinnati and New Orleans.
The Cards currently win that tie breaker by 3 wins. However, if the Cowboys win 2/3 AND the Steelers win 2/3 and New Orleans loses 2/3 and Cincinnati loses 2/3 AND at least one of those teams goes 3/3, the Hawks clinch and would get the Vikings at home.
So you're telling me there's a chance?
If the Seahawks beat the Browns and the Rams at home (very possible) and the Cardinals lose to the Eagles on the road and Green Bay (still possible) and the Seahawks win on the road in week 17 in Arizona, it will actually push all the way to the 5th tie breaker for division winners: Strength of Victory. If you toss out all common opponent wins, you are left with Seattle's wins over Dallas and Pittsburgh and the Cards with wins over Cincinnati and New Orleans.
The Cards currently win that tie breaker by 3 wins. However, if the Cowboys win 2/3 AND the Steelers win 2/3 and New Orleans loses 2/3 and Cincinnati loses 2/3 AND at least one of those teams goes 3/3, the Hawks clinch and would get the Vikings at home.
So you're telling me there's a chance?
Tanner9919
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They're the best team in the NFC. Playoff experience red hot QB and they're on fire..
The General
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Golf clap.Still have a long shot chance at the division.
If the Seahawks beat the Browns and the Rams at home (very possible) and the Cardinals lose to the Eagles on the road and Green Bay (still possible) and the Seahawks win on the road in week 17 in Arizona, it will actually push all the way to the 5th tie breaker for division winners: Strength of Victory. If you toss out all common opponent wins, you are left with Seattle's wins over Dallas and Pittsburgh and the Cards with wins over Cincinnati and New Orleans.
The Cards currently win that tie breaker by 3 wins. However, if the Cowboys win 2/3 AND the Steelers win 2/3 and New Orleans loses 2/3 and Cincinnati loses 2/3 AND at least one of those teams goes 3/3, the Hawks clinch and would get the Vikings at home.
So you're telling me there's a chance?
Hooper31
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The week 17 game at Arizona is looking like a classic. I don't think either team lays down for the other. Starting to have that feel that the SEA-SF games had two years ago when SF was putting a contender on the field. I might be way off base here and starters sit on both teams if the game is irrelevant. We'll see.
The General
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Can't look anymore primed. Playing in the Superbowl in SF would be too good.
Doctor Detroit
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They need to not have to go to both Carolina and Arizona for that to happen IMO. Those teams are both really good on both sides of the ball.The General said:
The General
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Yup. They should beat Minnesota.
Getting past Carolina at home would surprise me. I'm also pretty terrible at predicting them.
Doctor Detroit
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I think they have a shot at Carolina because they would be red hot, and Carolina had the bye which is not exactly an advantage in recent years. But then if they had to go to Arizona after two really physical football games? That would be a pretty tall order.
I also think next week's game will be pretty tight, no way it's like it was a few weeks ago up there.
#1 scoring defense 4 years straight.
They've crushed MIN once this year already and held ADP in check doing it, just crushed ARZ and are 1 blown coverage play away from being 5-0 against the Cam lead Panthers since RW took over at QB. It's not an easy road as a wildcard team but no reason to fear any of the teams they'll likely play.
They've crushed MIN once this year already and held ADP in check doing it, just crushed ARZ and are 1 blown coverage play away from being 5-0 against the Cam lead Panthers since RW took over at QB. It's not an easy road as a wildcard team but no reason to fear any of the teams they'll likely play.
Doctor Detroit
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I wouldn't read too much into the game today unless you want to do the same for the game last week. Cards really had nothing to play for today, and neither did Seattle. Impressive win for sure and it helps with momentum, but Cards mailed it in today IMO, just like the Seahawks did last week. 
Doctor Detroit
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It's hard to get up for a game, any game, when you have a first round bye and a home game coming. See the Pats today and countless teams over the years. Good chance for the Seahawks to get an edge today but Cards are really good, and obviously half-assed it today IMO.proninja said:You sure? They've been the Seahawks punching bag for a while now, and their coach made the "new sherrif in town" comments.I wouldn't read too much into the game today unless you want to do the same for the game last week. Cards really had nothing to play for today, and neither did Seattle. Impressive win for sure and it helps with momentum, but Cards mailed it in today IMO, just like the Seahawks did last week.
Seems really hard for me to believe they'd mail in a game against the team that's been the big dog in the division. But maybe they just don't care that they got drubbed like the Browns today.
Tau837
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I disagree. IMO the Cards came to play to open the game. It's hard to say exactly when they gave up, maybe sometime in the 2Q, but I don't believe they entered the game intending to mail it in. If they had, they would have either not played Palmer as long as they did or just had him handing off a lot more, similar to the Pats and Brady yesterday.It's hard to get up for a game, any game, when you have a first round bye and a home game coming. See the Pats today and countless teams over the years. Good chance for the Seahawks to get an edge today but Cards are really good, and obviously half-assed it today IMO.proninja said:You sure? They've been the Seahawks punching bag for a while now, and their coach made the "new sherrif in town" comments.I wouldn't read too much into the game today unless you want to do the same for the game last week. Cards really had nothing to play for today, and neither did Seattle. Impressive win for sure and it helps with momentum, but Cards mailed it in today IMO, just like the Seahawks did last week.
Seems really hard for me to believe they'd mail in a game against the team that's been the big dog in the division. But maybe they just don't care that they got drubbed like the Browns today.
biju
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The Pats did not mail it in yesterday. If they had won they would have had the top seed in the AFC. The reality was their O-line is so bad they were concerned Brady would get too injured back there (Suh got him good early in the game) so they effectively conceded the game. I personally think that's a bad move.I disagree. IMO the Cards came to play to open the game. It's hard to say exactly when they gave up, maybe sometime in the 2Q, but I don't believe they entered the game intending to mail it in. If they had, they would have either not played Palmer as long as they did or just had him handing off a lot more, similar to the Pats and Brady yesterday.It's hard to get up for a game, any game, when you have a first round bye and a home game coming. See the Pats today and countless teams over the years. Good chance for the Seahawks to get an edge today but Cards are really good, and obviously half-assed it today IMO.proninja said:You sure? They've been the Seahawks punching bag for a while now, and their coach made the "new sherrif in town" comments.I wouldn't read too much into the game today unless you want to do the same for the game last week. Cards really had nothing to play for today, and neither did Seattle. Impressive win for sure and it helps with momentum, but Cards mailed it in today IMO, just like the Seahawks did last week.
Seems really hard for me to believe they'd mail in a game against the team that's been the big dog in the division. But maybe they just don't care that they got drubbed like the Browns today.
The Cards mailed it in when the Seahawks hit 24 points, but they wanted to win for sure. Arians had to lay down some BS so he wouldn't get hounded by ARI reporters for the next two weeks and that's it.
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Cardinals didn't mail it in. They were playing for the #1 seed and got punched in the mouth, and then gave up at halftime. Minnesota doesn't scare me, and I think Carolina is beatable. With that being said, one game at a time.
Doctor Detroit
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Sure they did. They probably came into the game thinking they were prepared and ready, but they probably went through the motions all week because the game didn't mean a whole lot to them.
#1 seed means #### to the players, I'm surprised people who know a lot about sports think this. It means something to management and certainly the fans, but the players know they have a bye week and a home game the week after. I bet half of them don't even know who is in the playoffs in their conference.
Baseball, hockey, and basketball teams mail it in during their long seasons. It's less common in the NFL because one game means more than in the other sports, but just like the Seahawks had nothing to play for last week the Cards had nothing to play for this week. Seahawks still punched them in the mouth and made them surrender, but that was not the best Cardinals team. Not by a long shot.
Tau837
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It wasn't the best Seahawks team, either. If they play again, the Seahawks should have Kam, Lynch, Okung, and Sweezy back.
I think players certainly appreciate that there is a difference between playing at Carolina or playing them at home, should it reach that point. They had something to play for.
Doctor Detroit
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Nope, that's not how it works. Players don't care, they really don't. Plenty of former athletes on the radio these days will tell you as much, they don't care if they have to play Carolina in Carolina, 12-4 teams think they can win anywhere.It wasn't the best Seahawks team, either. If they play again, the Seahawks should have Kam, Lynch, Okung, and Sweezy back.
I think players certainly appreciate that there is a difference between playing at Carolina or playing them at home, should it reach that point. They had something to play for.
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Doctor Detroit
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Seahawks play the Vikings this week and if they play Arizona again, it will be after they had beaten the Panthers. That's all that really matters at this point.
biju
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I'm really not buying this. Plenty of players may say that they don't care but at the end of the day you get a better advantage to win the game at home. The players care more about winning than anything else (well, most of them at least).Doctor Detroit said:Nope, that's not how it works. Players don't care, they really don't. Plenty of former athletes on the radio these days will tell you as much, they don't care if they have to play Carolina in Carolina, 12-4 teams think they can win anywhere.Just Win Baby said:It wasn't the best Seahawks team, either. If they play again, the Seahawks should have Kam, Lynch, Okung, and Sweezy back.Doctor Detroit said:
I think players certainly appreciate that there is a difference between playing at Carolina or playing them at home, should it reach that point. They had something to play for.
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All I got out of this is that you think I know a lot about sports.Doctor Detroit said:
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Fine, then the Rams were a better team than the Seahawks in week 15. You can't have it both ways. Rams are terrible, Seahawks didn't come out 100% because the game meant nothing, they were going to be the 5th or 6th seed and winning didn't help their position.I'm really not buying this. Plenty of players may say that they don't care but at the end of the day you get a better advantage to win the game at home. The players care more about winning than anything else (well, most of them at least).Doctor Detroit said:Nope, that's not how it works. Players don't care, they really don't. Plenty of former athletes on the radio these days will tell you as much, they don't care if they have to play Carolina in Carolina, 12-4 teams think they can win anywhere.Just Win Baby said:It wasn't the best Seahawks team, either. If they play again, the Seahawks should have Kam, Lynch, Okung, and Sweezy back.Doctor Detroit said:
I think players certainly appreciate that there is a difference between playing at Carolina or playing them at home, should it reach that point. They had something to play for.
Doctor Detroit
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This thread has been mostly dead all year so I don't think we are polluting it by having this discussion, but I'll move on and talk about the Vikings anytime now.
Is Lynch for sure playing or are we looking at a GTD? Cancellor and Okung will play for sure, but having a running game vs the Vikes is critical. They had Rawls going for a hundo the first trip up there, I don't think Michael or Brown is doing that this week. Those guys are a part of the rotation Lynch or not though, so maybe we'll see all of them contribute to a sustained effort to run the ball. If this team can run the way Wilson is playing, they are going to be tough to beat.
Is Lynch for sure playing or are we looking at a GTD? Cancellor and Okung will play for sure, but having a running game vs the Vikes is critical. They had Rawls going for a hundo the first trip up there, I don't think Michael or Brown is doing that this week. Those guys are a part of the rotation Lynch or not though, so maybe we'll see all of them contribute to a sustained effort to run the ball. If this team can run the way Wilson is playing, they are going to be tough to beat.
