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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (3 Viewers)

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Highly doubt Toronto goes after Jennings. They have 15 guys on the roster and not really anyone worth cutting.

Joseph gets the minutes with Wright getting the first crack at the backup role. If he fails, VanVleet will get a shot. 

 
Do they have cap space?  If not they're gonna have to wait until he hits waivers.   And once he does that you can be sure the Wiz will throw their mid-level exception at him, so then it becomes a question of who has which mid-level exception available.  I have no idea how that thing works but apparently the Wiz have their "room" exception available.
how do you people keep this #### straight?

there are more exceptions to NBA transactions than there are options on MLB contracts

 
how do you people keep this #### straight?

there are more exceptions to NBA transactions than there are options on MLB contracts
I don't, I rely on blog articles about particular players/situations. Bullets Forever had a post up on Jennings as soon as he was released because of the obvious fit with the Wiz, so that's the only reason I knew the process for him.

There's always Larry Coon's awesome and comprehensive CBA FAQ as a resource too.  The Table of Contents links to particular subjects.

 
I doubt it, he probably feels like they are clearly the 2nd best team in the East now and just have to win a 1st round cake walk and then beat the Raptors assuming they hold onto the 3 spot with a less than 100% healthy Lowry or maybe even no Lowry. So they get to keep all the assets and get to the same point Ainge felt like they were going to be in all along, except with Butler or George they probably push the Cavs to 6 or 7 games, without it probably only goes 5.
There is little doubt not making a move could hurt them this season...it could be the difference in a series against a team like the Wizards...that being said I have 100% faith that Ainge knows this but what he wants the roster to look long-term is far more important to him...right now he has the pieces to accomplish his plan and I don't think he wanted to give up even a minor asset because he knows he may need that for a much bigger deal or a lesser deal after he makes the big one...also and this is just my two cents but I like the fact we are going to know a lot more about some of these players as they try to grind out the regular season and make some noise in the playoffs...the value of some of these guys could be greatly enhanced (or lessened) depending on how this season plays out...I am going to enjoy the rest of this season but this offseason I fully expect some fireworks...to me this will be the offseason where they put more of their chips onto the table and my expectation is for them to have a dramatic upgrade on what is already a very solid team...

 
Agreed.  I don't think the Lowry injury has much of an impact on whether Ainge wishes he had made a pre-deadline deal.  He's taking a long-term approach, and rightfully so IMO, to building a sustainable and legit contender.

 
Agreed.  I don't think the Lowry injury has much of an impact on whether Ainge wishes he had made a pre-deadline deal.  He's taking a long-term approach, and rightfully so IMO, to building a sustainable and legit contender.
Really prudent right now to ensure that his team isn't overexposed to playoff rounds.....

 
still don't love the return the Sixers got for Noel, but Richaun is making it easier to move on from. Guy is a legit NBA player and will be a fine back-up to Embiid if he continues to work on little things on his game 

 
Never thought I'd say this, but:

Sixers chat>>>Pelican talk

That was tough to skim through.

 
@Bruce Dickinson gonna need a scouting report on Josh Jackson - I keep seeing him mocked to LA #3 overall.  Looks like he's been more assertive lately (not surprising for a freshman) but a lot of TOs and the FT shooting is worriesome.  Vision and passing ability for a 6-8 forward seems borderline elite.  

Whats your verdict Bruce?  Is he special, or just another really good prospect? 

 
@Bruce Dickinson gonna need a scouting report on Josh Jackson - I keep seeing him mocked to LA #3 overall.  Looks like he's been more assertive lately (not surprising for a freshman) but a lot of TOs and the FT shooting is worriesome.  Vision and passing ability for a 6-8 forward seems borderline elite.  

Whats your verdict Bruce?  Is he special, or just another really good prospect? 
Big news with Jackson this week is he's being charged with busting up a parked car belonging to another Jayhawk's ex-girlfriend, a current player on the KU's women's team.  Saw it parked on the main bar/club/restaurant row of Downtown Lawrence, allegedly took some sort of blunt instrument and did a couple racks of damage to it.  

 
Big news with Jackson this week is he's being charged with busting up a parked car belonging to another Jayhawk's ex-girlfriend, a current player on the KU's women's team.  Saw it parked on the main bar/club/restaurant row of Downtown Lawrence, allegedly took some sort of blunt instrument and did a couple racks of damage to it.  
Like Gunz said, more assertive lately. 

 
@Bruce Dickinson gonna need a scouting report on Josh Jackson - I keep seeing him mocked to LA #3 overall.  Looks like he's been more assertive lately (not surprising for a freshman) but a lot of TOs and the FT shooting is worriesome.  Vision and passing ability for a 6-8 forward seems borderline elite.  

Whats your verdict Bruce?  Is he special, or just another really good prospect? 
On-court take: quick feet, quick off the ground, really good without the ball.  He gets a lot of dunks in halfcourt from anticipating plays and catching defenders not paying attention - he likes to follow a few steps behind Mason or Graham on dribble-drives and apply fastbreak trailer technique in halfcourt, catching drop passes or putting back missed layups... finished a bunch of alley-oops against zones where all five are staring at the ball out top - Graham and Jackson don't even need to signal it.  

Good passer.  KU likes to run off every miss and turnover, Jackson is good at those 25-30 foot passes upcourt to the guards in transition.  He doesn't like to stand still with the ball and size up the defense - when he gets it, it's either shoot, drive, or pass right away.  Does give away possessions driving into traffic.  KU doesn't really have a low-post offensive threat this year so haven't seen him throw a meaningful amount of entry passes to the post.  Can dribble and short pass with either hand.  

Plays a lot of "4", but KU switched up their offense this year to a lot of 4-out with two interchangeable forwards.  Don't see him as an NBA small-ball PF.  Wins a lot of rebounds against players his size, but teams that play two bigs got a lot of offensive rebounds against the Jayhawks this season.  

Defense is a work in progress, but played good D in short spurts and improved a ton during the year.  Elite ballhandlers will get by him in isos, but he can cover a lot of weakside ground and closes out on shooters well.  Small sample size defending PnRs.  

The low FT% should be a warning.  There's something not quite right about his shot.  His form isn't consistent.  Sometimes he takes a lot time to load the chamber and fire, sometimes he shoots from his nose instead of a classic high release.  He's gotten away with it this year because not a lot of college teams have 6'8" SFs, but without some work he's going to get a lot of shots blocked in the pros.

Noticeable BKBIQ increase during the season.  Concerns he might be a knucklehead off it.  This particular KU roster is much smarter on the court than off it - there's been a bunch of arrests and off-court incidents on campus and around Lawrence with the team - so he might just be immature and around some bad influences, fixable with strong mentors at the next level.       

 
@Good Posting Judge My buddy brought out Al Harrington to play in our rec league.  Al decided to bring along Stephen Jackson and Kenyon Martin lol. That Warriors team with AH and SJ was fun to watch when they took down Dallas as the 8 seed.  

 
On-court take: quick feet, quick off the ground, really good without the ball.  He gets a lot of dunks in halfcourt from anticipating plays and catching defenders not paying attention - he likes to follow a few steps behind Mason or Graham on dribble-drives and apply fastbreak trailer technique in halfcourt, catching drop passes or putting back missed layups... finished a bunch of alley-oops against zones where all five are staring at the ball out top - Graham and Jackson don't even need to signal it.  

Good passer.  KU likes to run off every miss and turnover, Jackson is good at those 25-30 foot passes upcourt to the guards in transition.  He doesn't like to stand still with the ball and size up the defense - when he gets it, it's either shoot, drive, or pass right away.  Does give away possessions driving into traffic.  KU doesn't really have a low-post offensive threat this year so haven't seen him throw a meaningful amount of entry passes to the post.  Can dribble and short pass with either hand.  

Plays a lot of "4", but KU switched up their offense this year to a lot of 4-out with two interchangeable forwards.  Don't see him as an NBA small-ball PF.  Wins a lot of rebounds against players his size, but teams that play two bigs got a lot of offensive rebounds against the Jayhawks this season.  

Defense is a work in progress, but played good D in short spurts and improved a ton during the year.  Elite ballhandlers will get by him in isos, but he can cover a lot of weakside ground and closes out on shooters well.  Small sample size defending PnRs.  

The low FT% should be a warning.  There's something not quite right about his shot.  His form isn't consistent.  Sometimes he takes a lot time to load the chamber and fire, sometimes he shoots from his nose instead of a classic high release.  He's gotten away with it this year because not a lot of college teams have 6'8" SFs, but without some work he's going to get a lot of shots blocked in the pros.

Noticeable BKBIQ increase during the season.  Concerns he might be a knucklehead off it.  This particular KU roster is much smarter on the court than off it - there's been a bunch of arrests and off-court incidents on campus and around Lawrence with the team - so he might just be immature and around some bad influences, fixable with strong mentors at the next level.       
He's an elite athlete that can guard on the ball and give weakside help.  He's a work in progress on offense and also a year older than the rest of the freshman class.  Put it this way, he'll be an elite defensive wing in the NBA (so he'll always have a lot of value), but I'd sort of rather roll the dice with Isaac or Tatum turning into prototypical stretch 4s and I'd definitely rather have Smith over him if I was starting a team.  

 
wikkidpissah said:
Really prudent right now to ensure that his team isn't overexposed to playoff rounds.....
Eh, we'll see.  Going to be pretty difficult to say they should've paid a steep price for Butler or George until you see (a) how deep they run in the playoffs (b) where they end up in the lottery (c) what they're able to use their cap space on this offseason.  Even then you have no idea what George or Butler would've done for them other than giving them a better chance against Lebron.

I'm actually dumbfounded how anyone can question why Ainge is/isn't making certain moves. He's loaded the Celts cupboards. Great player, great contracts, multiple high lottery picks, prospects tearing it up overseas, and plenty of cap space. But he's a moron for not putting up multiple of those assets for a potential 1.5 year rental of Paul George?  Okay.

 
When was the last time there was a buy out market like this?

Guess there's no difference between Zaza/West signing in the off-season for the minimum vs Bogs/Deron signing during the mid-season.

 
Eh, we'll see.  Going to be pretty difficult to say they should've paid a steep price for Butler or George until you see (a) how deep they run in the playoffs (b) where they end up in the lottery (c) what they're able to use their cap space on this offseason.  Even then you have no idea what George or Butler would've done for them other than giving them a better chance against Lebron.

I'm actually dumbfounded how anyone can question why Ainge is/isn't making certain moves. He's loaded the Celts cupboards. Great player, great contracts, multiple high lottery picks, prospects tearing it up overseas, and plenty of cap space. But he's a moron for not putting up multiple of those assets for a potential 1.5 year rental of Paul George?  Okay.
Dumfounded suits you. Dont ever change...

 
Eh, we'll see.  Going to be pretty difficult to say they should've paid a steep price for Butler or George until you see (a) how deep they run in the playoffs (b) where they end up in the lottery (c) what they're able to use their cap space on this offseason.  Even then you have no idea what George or Butler would've done for them other than giving them a better chance against Lebron.

I'm actually dumbfounded how anyone can question why Ainge is/isn't making certain moves. He's loaded the Celts cupboards. Great player, great contracts, multiple high lottery picks, prospects tearing it up overseas, and plenty of cap space. But he's a moron for not putting up multiple of those assets for a potential 1.5 year rental of Paul George?  Okay.
i don't know, i think Ainge lucked into a bit. Did anybody really see the Brooklyn picks conveying like they did. I liked what Hinkie could do, where he would make a deal and put in back-up plans where needed. Ainge has done a good job bringing in a quality coach an has drafted pretty good. Great job starting, yet to see if he can take it to the next step. 

that's the most frustrating thing about the Sixers moving on from Hinkie. Guy did a superb job cleaning the slate and beginning to put the pieces in place. would love to have seen if he could have carried that over to phase 2 of building the championship team

 
Eh, we'll see.  Going to be pretty difficult to say they should've paid a steep price for Butler or George until you see (a) how deep they run in the playoffs (b) where they end up in the lottery (c) what they're able to use their cap space on this offseason.  Even then you have no idea what George or Butler would've done for them other than giving them a better chance against Lebron.

I'm actually dumbfounded how anyone can question why Ainge is/isn't making certain moves. He's loaded the Celts cupboards. Great player, great contracts, multiple high lottery picks, prospects tearing it up overseas, and plenty of cap space. But he's a moron for not putting up multiple of those assets for a potential 1.5 year rental of Paul George?  Okay.
Paul George is who you hope that Brooklyn pick becomes.  And this is prime Paul George right now.  Even if that pick becomes Paul George, the odds of that happening while Isaiah Thomas and Al Horford are still championship caliber players is pretty freaking small.

 
Here's a clip of a doctor on ESPN breaking down the video of the Durant injury and giving his best guess/prediction of what he thinks it is. Sounds like he thinks most likely a 2 week injury--with the worst case scenario being approximately 6 weeks.  Of course--none of this is concrete--so take it for what it's worth. 

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18793429

 
Warriors choose to sign Matt Barnes instead of Jose Calderon. Better move even without the uncertainty of Durant's injury.
I agree with you on Barnes being a better move than Calderon regardless of the result of the Durant injury.  However--them deciding to do this so quickly after the injury does kinda scare me into thinking that maybe the injury is worse than it looks.  I'm not a Warriors fan--but if I were--this signing could come across as being a bit ominous. 

 
Paul George is who you hope that Brooklyn pick becomes.  And this is prime Paul George right now.  Even if that pick becomes Paul George, the odds of that happening while Isaiah Thomas and Al Horford are still championship caliber players is pretty freaking small.
Agree that you hope the Brooklyn pick nets you a player of George's caliber.  But without a guarantee that George stays beyond 2018, it would've been an idiotic move to even part with just the Brooklyn pick for a a possible 1.5 year rental.  Of course there are a handful of players you deal that package of players/picks for under that same scenario and cross your fingers they re-sign with you, but George doesn't quite qualify IMO.  Even with George they're a dog to the Cavs, and especially since the Cavs have been beefing up their bench.

 
The Durant injury is why you push in for George or Butler now.  It's all well and good to say we're building a team for the next 10-15 years, but you're still constrained by the salary cap and timing.  Instead they've basically thrown the white flag up for the next 3-4 years.  Happy to be the 2nd best team in the East at best.  

 
The Durant injury is why you push in for George or Butler now.  It's all well and good to say we're building a team for the next 10-15 years, but you're still constrained by the salary cap and timing.  Instead they've basically thrown the white flag up for the next 3-4 years.  Happy to be the 2nd best team in the East at best.  
I don't buy that...if they stand pat this offseason and only add draft picks I will agree with you...that will not be acceptable...Ainge has done a fantastic job rebuilding this team and has all the assets and cap flexibility he needs to make this team a sustained championship contender...I think we owe it to him to sit tight and see what it looks like going into next season...I don't disagree one bit that they did zero at the deadline to help themselves and I do think there's a good chance it comes back to bite them in the butt...but they are not in a position where they have to panic and make a move they are not comfortable with just to make the fans happy...I give Ainge a ton of credit because not making a move was the difficult decision because the fans want a move now...just like the Pats not giving into that type of pressure hopefully it will pay off for the C's the long term...my expectation is after this offseason they will be in a position to compete with the Cavs and Warriors for a championship...I have very high expectations for them but I am willing to give them a little more time to get there...if there are no "fireworks" this offseason I will be very surprised and disappointed...

 
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I don't buy that...if they stand pat this offseason and only add draft picks I will agree with you...that will not be acceptable...Ainge has done a fantastic job rebuilding this team and has all the assets and cap flexibility he needs to make this team a sustained championship contender...I think we owe it to him to sit tight and see what it looks like going into next season...I don't disagree one bit that they did zero at the deadline to help themselves and I do think there's a good chance it comes back to bite them in the butt...but they are not in a position where they have to panic and make a move they are not comfortable with just to make the fans happy...I give Ainge a ton of credit because not making a move was the difficult decision because the fans want a move now...just like the Pats not giving into that type of pressure hopefully it will pay off for the C's the long term...my expectation is after this offseason they will be in a position to compete with the Cavs and Warriors for a championship...I have very high expectations for them but I am willing to give them a little more time to get there...if there are no "fireworks" this offseason I will be very surprised and disappointed...
Couldn't agree more on all accounts.  The Celts should look markedly better heading into next season where they should add not only a top 3 pick, but hopefully a big name free agent.  If they don't, then as you said that will be both surprising and disappointing.

As to the previous post, you don't push all in the event Lebron, Durant, and Leonard get hurt, along with the stars from about five other teams that have talent on par with the Celtics.  It's just as likely George getting injured after you acquire him as it is any other team.  That's really poor reasoning.

 
Paul George is who you hope that Brooklyn pick becomes.  And this is prime Paul George right now.  Even if that pick becomes Paul George, the odds of that happening while Isaiah Thomas and Al Horford are still championship caliber players is pretty freaking small.
Are we sure that he still is? Still a nice player but he's been on a pretty steady downhill trend the last 4 years. Is he even a top 10 center any more? Top 15? 

 
I don't buy that...if they stand pat this offseason and only add draft picks I will agree with you...that will not be acceptable...Ainge has done a fantastic job rebuilding this team and has all the assets and cap flexibility he needs to make this team a sustained championship contender...I think we owe it to him to sit tight and see what it looks like going into next season...I don't disagree one bit that they did zero at the deadline to help themselves and I do think there's a good chance it comes back to bite them in the butt...but they are not in a position where they have to panic and make a move they are not comfortable with just to make the fans happy...I give Ainge a ton of credit because not making a move was the difficult decision because the fans want a move now...just like the Pats not giving into that type of pressure hopefully it will pay off for the C's the long term...my expectation is after this offseason they will be in a position to compete with the Cavs and Warriors for a championship...I have very high expectations for them but I am willing to give them a little more time to get there...if there are no "fireworks" this offseason I will be very surprised and disappointed...
As a Pacers fan--I hate to say it---but I think Boston was very smart/lucky to not pull the trigger on Paul George.   If you look at George's numbers this season analytically--he's actually on the decline.  He's attacking the basket less and relying more on mid-range jumpers and three point shots.  He's shooting fewer free throws per game and his shooting percentage has declined because of it.  Is he still a great player---of course.  However--do you gut your franchise that has an established winning style and identity to get a guy that might essentially be a rental?   I personally wouldn't. As a Pacers fan--I was really hoping they make the trade--mainly because of the Nets pick--but let's not forget that they were also asking for THREE out of the following four players in addition to the pick:

Marcus Smart, Avery Bradley, Jaylen Brown, Jae Crowder.  

http://8points9seconds.com/2017/02/27/celtics-offer-enough-paul-george/

That's a pretty big pool of talent in addition to the pick to essentially give up for a player that may have already has his best years.  The interesting thing is that the link above infers that the Pacers walked away from the deal--which I think was a blessing for the Celtics. 

 
Durant Update

Grade 2 MCL sprain and a tibial bone bruise, will be re-evaluated in four weeks but they haven't ruled out a return before the end of the regular season.

Sounds like it's not great but it's far from the worst-case scenario.

See, here's one advantage to your teams playing on the east coast, west coast sports fans.  Injury updates right when you wake up.

 
Durant Update

Grade 2 MCL sprain and a tibial bone bruise, will be re-evaluated in four weeks but they haven't ruled out a return before the end of the regular season.

Sounds like it's not great but it's far from the worst-case scenario.

See, here's one advantage to your teams playing on the east coast, west coast sports fans.  Injury updates right when you wake up.
As someone pointed out on Twitter, Curry had a grade 1 sprain during the playoffs and wasn't the same.  

 
Durant Update

Grade 2 MCL sprain and a tibial bone bruise, will be re-evaluated in four weeks but they haven't ruled out a return before the end of the regular season.

Sounds like it's not great but it's far from the worst-case scenario.

See, here's one advantage to your teams playing on the east coast, west coast sports fans.  Injury updates right when you wake up.
Congrats?

 
As someone pointed out on Twitter, Curry had a grade 1 sprain during the playoffs and wasn't the same.  
Obviously it's not ideal, but they've probably got at least 2.5 months before they need Durant to be anywhere near his normal self, whereas Curry was injured in late April.

And honestly, even if he doesn't return to 100% it seems like worst case scenario (barring aggravation of the injury) is he's Harrison Barnes with a better stroke on those spot-up threes, which means they're basically just a slightly upgraded version of last year's 73 win team.

 
NBA Champ updated, as of this AM:
 

Warriors 1/2

Cavaliers 5/2

Spurs 7/1

Rockets 20/1

Celtics 25/1

Clippers 25/1

Raptors 30/1

Wizards 30/1

Jazz 60/1
Last version I saw had the Warriors at 4/7, so it doesn't look like Vegas is too concerned about how the injury will affect him in May and June.

 
As a Pacers fan--I hate to say it---but I think Boston was very smart/lucky to not pull the trigger on Paul George.   If you look at George's numbers this season analytically--he's actually on the decline.  He's attacking the basket less and relying more on mid-range jumpers and three point shots.  He's shooting fewer free throws per game and his shooting percentage has declined because of it.  Is he still a great player---of course.  However--do you gut your franchise that has an established winning style and identity to get a guy that might essentially be a rental?   I personally wouldn't. As a Pacers fan--I was really hoping they make the trade--mainly because of the Nets pick--but let's not forget that they were also asking for THREE out of the following four players in addition to the pick:

Marcus Smart, Avery Bradley, Jaylen Brown, Jae Crowder.  

http://8points9seconds.com/2017/02/27/celtics-offer-enough-paul-george/

That's a pretty big pool of talent in addition to the pick to essentially give up for a player that may have already has his best years.  The interesting thing is that the link above infers that the Pacers walked away from the deal--which I think was a blessing for the Celtics. 
Playing Revis-y this year fo sho. Doing sameoldsameold 82 games for no discernible reason gets to some guys and the player the Lakers get a couple yrs from now will probably be Carmelized goods. Aint hangry no more, wanted the Celts to give him a reason cuz he's transformative when he has a reason.

 
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