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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (1 Viewer)
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GroveDiesel
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If the Pacers can get 2 firsts for him, they should do it. He spent all season and playoffs whining about his teammates despite admitting to dogging it for most of the season and coming up really small what it mattered in the playoffs.
The Big Donkey
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This is crazy with the Hack-a-Roberson strategy.
Kev4029
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Long Ball Larry
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The General
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Both of these teams in the last 30 seconds 
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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Yeah but the entire game is now dudes flopping and actively chasing shooting fouls rather then playing actual basketball.
That was one of the worst games I've seen in a very long time. Looked a lot like soccer out there.
msudaisy26
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I like that. Jokic is a bad defender, but with Harris and Roberson on the wings it would make not having a rim protector a little easier.
msudaisy26
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All they needed was that stuff the spray on the soccer players every time they get hurt and it magically cures everything and vuvuzelas!
Moe.
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I don't think he was serious. As someone who watches a ton of soccer, there is more "flopping" in basketball than soccer. There aren't nearly as many scoring chances in soccer (obviously) but even as a percentage I still think there is more flopping in basketball (maybe just the NBA, I dont watch a lot of bball outside of the NBA).
Baloney Sandwich
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Gerald ####### Green
PlasmaDogPlasma
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Publicly complaining about not getting the final shot in game one and then barely hitting the backboard at the end of game four was pretty special.
I've always liked George, but this year was an eye-opener for me.
The General
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Thomas cannot be stopped at the moment. Driving to the basket at will.
The Kansas Comet
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Joe Johnson is in a similar zone right now, albeit taking much more time to get to the bucket.The General said:
Cliff Clavin
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Norm 
Long Ball Larry
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Apparently they have changed this and it will be announced several days before the draft.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/sports/wp/2017/04/24/all-nba-teams-will-be-announced-early-freeing-up-teams-to-make-draft-and-trade-decisions/
trader jake
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trader jake
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Agreed. The defenders arm down/swipe up and grab it in the elbow/throw up a non-shot shot to draw a foul has taken on a life of it's own. It seems especially egregious because it results in 3 shots, gets teams in the penalty more often, slows the game down, and generally results in poor game flow. It just creates an incentive for offensive players to pull the equivalent of the defensive flop.
To the chasing fouls point, I'd advocate the restricted zone on defense be moved out another foot/foot and a half. The current zone results in defensive players undercutting offensive players too often. Put it out another ~15 inches or so and the likelihood of that dangerous bang-bang play taking place with an offensive player in the air is almost eliminated.
Ideally Denver could add a 4 that could be a rim protector on defense and stretch the court on offense. With Jokic's passing ability opening up lanes on offense a player that won't clog it up would keep the Nuggets offense among the league's best. More importantly, they need that 4 to be a defensive force that can clean up for a myriad of problems the roster currently shows on that end of the floor (and will likely be there as long as Jokic is the 5).
Bad match-up for the Bulls. IT is going to get his even against good defenders, but Chicago just doesn't have a guard that can consistently check his drives. I'd like Jimmy Butler and his length against Thomas, but then Butler would be gassed in the 4th when they've leaned on his shot making to close games. May have to do it anyway and hope playoff vet DWade and the no longer comatose Mirotic can help close it out. Would help if Hoiberg would keep Lopez on the court as well. The Celts can't keep him off the boards and The Mayor is doing Boston a solid taking him off the court.The General said:
Iso Joe has really been an issue for the Clippers in the series. Snyder has done a nice job keeping shooters around Johnson when he likes the match-up. Also impressed with Quin's rotations including Joe Ingles. Ingles consistently makes good decisions with the ball and has even shown an ability to slightly disrupt Chris Paul's rhythm on D.
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TobiasFunke
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Kev4029
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I talked about this a month or so ago, but there are very few stretch fours that can also play defense. Ibaka and Millsap are available this offseason, but both area little old and will ask for a lot of money. James Johnson had an incredible year and could probably be had on a reasonable contract (3/36?) but I think his shooting was a mirage and I don't particularly trust a career year at 30. Other than that you are looking at guys that aren't likely to be traded (Green, Aldridge, Porzingas, Davis). I'm hopeful they will chase Millsap and Roberson and let Gallo and Plumlee walk.
Cliff Clavin
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Trust in Johnson. The only difference this year is that he played under a competent coach who didn't bench after a single mistake.
TobiasFunke
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They'll match whatever the highest bidder offers.
Realistically where else would they spend their money?
jvdesigns2002
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Full disclaimer here--I'm a big Indiana Pacers fan--so my opinion might be biased. While I think that George is a great player--I do think that he had a terrible season. First of all--he played very pedestrian like (up to his standards) the first 1/3-1/2 the season. The Pacers schedule was very easy to start the season and very difficult to end the season--and George did not turn his game on early enough in the season. The Pacers barely made the playoffs this year--they literally had to win their last game to clench a playoff spot--when they easily had enough talent to be a top 5 seed. That was horribly frustrating.
Secondly--George has always categorized himself as being one of the best two-way players in the league. His defense was nothing short of empty stats this season. To put in perspective--in the regular season--the Pacers played the Cavs 3 times. While I think it's impossible to stop Lebron James--I do think that somebody that claims that they are one of the best two way players in the game should be able to make life a bit more difficult for him. Well in the 3 regular season games against the Pacers--Lebron averaged 32, 8rebs, and 8 assists per game--on nearly 60% field goal percentage and 47% from the 3pt line. Thats nearly 6pts better than he averaged on the regular season, 5% better fg percentage better than he averages, and 10% better from the 3pt line--AND Lebron averaged one fewer turnover per game than he usually does when going against George and the Pacers this season.
In the playoffs--Lebron averaged nearly 33-10-9 against George and the Pacers on 54% from the field and 45% from the 3pt line. While George is still a great player--he choked big time this season. He did not start the season in an engaged fashion, his defense was laughable when it counted the most--and he settled for far too many jumpshots. On top of things--he had no problem pointing the finger at his teammates for his failures. If you want to blame somebody for losing a game--how about looking in the mirror and blaming yourself for allowing your opponent to essentially nearly average a 30+pt triple double against you on amazing shooting percentages? If they can move him for some firsts and start a rebuilding process--I'm all for it.
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Kev4029
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Allan Crabbe got 4/75 last year at the same age with a lower salary cap. The Wizards might be able to talk him into take a slight discount, but they'll end up paying him whatever he wants.
Doing so will probably send them into the tax and since the beginning of March, Porter hasn't been very good. I think I would re-sign him in Washington's shoes but it would be defensible to let him walk when someone gives him a max offer sheet.
TobiasFunke
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Yeah, the Wiz have to keep their core together during Wall's prime. They likely won't be good enough to seriously contend for a title unless they get rid of Grunfeld and bring in someone who can work a miracle with the bench, and even then probably not. But they can't roll the dice on free agency and get burned again. Gotta roll with Wall-Beal-Porter-Kieff and hope for the best with Mahinmi/Gortat and around the margins.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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I'll be at the game tomorrow.
WHY ARE THEY STARTING AT 6PM?????????????
WHY ARE THEY STARTING AT 6PM?????????????
TobiasFunke
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I'll be at the game tomorrow.
WHY ARE THEY STARTING AT 6PM?????????????
Lindsay and I will be there too. Or at least we'll be there for the final three quarters or so, after navigating rush hour and huge security lines. I bet the place won't be more than half-full at tip.
sports_fan
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I don't watch many Thunder games. Is Andre Roberson shooting his FTs blindfolded? I knew he was bad but 2-for-17 hardly seems possible
msudaisy26
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I agree with this, Johnson showed spurts of being really good and then would play 8 minutes for next the 4 games. Same thing that happens to Jonas, but some how Carroll always starts. Johnson won't be had for 3 - 36. Tobias Harris got 15 million a year 2 years ago. 5 for 80 is the floor.
Poke_4_Life
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It's got to be mental now. He's had a great series (for him) but his FTs are ridiculous. Even if he hit his 50% season avg. it would have made a huge difference in the last 3 games.
The whole Thunder team has been poor at the line. I think that's a result of being so young. Only Westbrook, Adams, and Roberson really have playoff experience.
msudaisy26
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Poke_4_Life
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I forgot Gibson. Kanter has been a liability but I guess he does have playoff experience. The others haven't been factors.
Kev4029
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If he gets that kind of money for 5 years, the whole management staff should be fired.
msudaisy26
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Evan Turner got 4 for 70 and this league is full of mediocre wings that can't shoot. The league isn't full of stretch 4's that play defense too
Cliff Clavin
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5/80 isn't happening. Guessing more like 3/40-50.
Poke_4_Life
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Hope Russ has a nice outfit picked out for the boat.
msudaisy26
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Mister CIA
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Popovich leaves $5,000 tip at Memphis wine bar? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/04/25/gregg-popovich-appears-to-have-left-a-5000-tip-at-a-memphis-restaurant/?utm_term=.d4bd1b0ccc24
Somebody just got rooked!
Somebody just got rooked!
Mister CIA
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Chaos Commish
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Well at least I don't have to suffer through the Warriors demolishing the Clippers. /LA
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