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2016 Green Bay Packers thread (1 Viewer)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I really like the fact that at 20, he's good enough to be a first round draft pick. And let's face it, Ted had his pick of the litter at DT selecting from the entire pool. Great pick Ted. Now let's hope Myles Jack slide back to them.
cr8f
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
cr8f
Footballguy
Pipes
Footballguy
Guess I misread the strength part though this profile isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. Who the hell is David Parry? I still wish they would've traded down like the chiefs did. As long as Ted addresses the ILB in the next round or two I'm fine with it.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Some people just don't understand what best player available actually means.
strykerpks
Footballguy
Whoa, Ted trades up?
Neal Cassady
Footballguy
Great pick
Pipes
Footballguy
Pipes
Footballguy
strykerpks
Footballguy
From teh twitters - Jason Spriggs allowed just two sacks his senior season in 475 pass attempts. Was a 1st Team All-American from FWAA
There's some solid D lines in the B1G.
There's some solid D lines in the B1G.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Pipes
Footballguy
strykerpks
Footballguy
Mike Neal tweeted that with the Fackrell pick that his time in GB is probably over. Damn
Balco
Footballguy
Fackwell is intriguing. One site had him as the 3rd best pass rushing 3-4 olb in draft. Looks like he dropped into coverage quite a bit and that is why sack numbers aren't very high. Looks like an edge setter in the run too. Potentially a 3 down olb. (Shifting to middle in nickel and dime. He supposedly gets great grades rushing as an ilb). An older rookie, will be 25 during season I believe.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Agree. We saw last year what happens when Bahktiari goes down, and the year before what happens when Bulaga does. Additionally, with Lang, Sitton, and Bahktiari all free agents next year it prepares for the potential loss or losses there. maybe they let Sitton go, replace him this way, and get a 3rd or 4th rounder for Sitton as a compensatory pick.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Liking this years draft so far. Filled some needs. Addressed the defensive line. Gave us some depth at the O-line. Possibly found an edge rusher.
I think we see a RB drafted today at some point. Lacy on his final year and Starks getting long in the tooth. Could also use a 3rd down RB.
Could still use an ILB, more offensive line depth and another D-lineman.
Wouldn't surprise me if they draft another TE or CB. They always seems to draft one at each position every year. Doesn't have much success at late round TEs other than special teams players but they always seem to find a gem in the late rounds at CB.
I think we see a RB drafted today at some point. Lacy on his final year and Starks getting long in the tooth. Could also use a 3rd down RB.
Could still use an ILB, more offensive line depth and another D-lineman.
Wouldn't surprise me if they draft another TE or CB. They always seems to draft one at each position every year. Doesn't have much success at late round TEs other than special teams players but they always seem to find a gem in the late rounds at CB.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Not a great thing to tweet. How he's wrong. I don't see how a third rounder changes anything.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Agree he should play his ### off in this contract year. This draft choice has nothing to do, or little to do, with his future. Peppers is old. This may be his replacement not Neal's. There is a place for Neal if he shows it. Come on Neal, meet the challenge, exceed the challenge. Don't feel sorry for yourself, use it as fuel. You have always been unfulfilled potential, and a whoa is me attitude may be why. Put that to bed and become what you were meant to be.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Without more ilb, I'd agree a bit. Though, if Jones really does stick at OLB, you have Perry, Clay, Peppers, now Jones and a draft pick. It could become a numbers thing and he may still want a decent paycheck.
Though, if they don't do much else at lb, is the talk about Clay being just an olb again really just talk?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree. Reminds me of Sam Bradford's agent stating he wanted to be traded because he's a competitor. I was thinking that if he's a competitor, he wouldn't be worried about the team drafting anybody. He'd be like "Bring it."
The Kerminator
Footballguy
In follow up tweets Neal said he was just being sarcastic. (probably got a phone call from his agent)
He is a free agent. Has not signed yet with anybody but took visits to Detroit and Seattle.
He is a free agent. Has not signed yet with anybody but took visits to Detroit and Seattle.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think Clay is equally valuable in the middle or one the edge. Peppers needs to be phased back. He's not great but his salary sure is. Jones is JAG. Perry is JAG. Barrington looks better than those two. This Fraggle Rock kid looks like he can cover, and that has been a weakness.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I thought he played decent. Until they get the 86 Giants linebackers, there will always be room to improve.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Grades from PFF so far:
27. Green Bay Packers: Kenny Clark | Grade: C+
Often overlooked in a deep defensive line class, Clark is a strong run defender that can push the pocket with the best bull rush in the draft. There’s not a clean fit along the defensive line for Clark, but he’ll likely play defensive end in their 3-4 scheme while dabbling inside at nose tackle. He’s not a pure nose, as he wins in the running game by reading blocks and getting up and down the line of scrimmage, and he sometimes struggles with power at the point of attack.
Clark finished at +43.9 overall — good for 12th in the loaded class — and finishing fifth in the nation with 34 run stops. His excellent run game instincts will give him an early-down role, though he has to develop more than just a bull rush as a pass rusher, as he rarely wins with speed either to the outside or inside of blockers.
17 (48). Green Bay Packers: Jason Spriggs | Grade: B+
(Pick acquired in trade with Indianapolis Colts)
Rumored to be a first-round pick after a great combine workout, Spriggs goes to Green Bay where he joins David Bakhtiari and Bryan Bulaga at offensive tackle. He may ease into the mix, but should eventually be pegged for a starting spot. His +6.6 pass blocking grade ranked 10th in the class but he whiffs too often in the running game at this point. Spriggs’ athleticism makes him a good zone-blocking fit for Green Bay.
25 (88) Green Bay Packers: Kyler Fackrell | Grade: A-
Fackrell had a strong all-around season in 2015, finishing at +39.0 overall, good for seventh among the draft’s edge defenders. His 15.7 pass rush productivity ranked sixth in the class and he can step in as a situational pass rusher as he continues to develop his skills on the edge in the run game.
27. Green Bay Packers: Kenny Clark | Grade: C+
Often overlooked in a deep defensive line class, Clark is a strong run defender that can push the pocket with the best bull rush in the draft. There’s not a clean fit along the defensive line for Clark, but he’ll likely play defensive end in their 3-4 scheme while dabbling inside at nose tackle. He’s not a pure nose, as he wins in the running game by reading blocks and getting up and down the line of scrimmage, and he sometimes struggles with power at the point of attack.
Clark finished at +43.9 overall — good for 12th in the loaded class — and finishing fifth in the nation with 34 run stops. His excellent run game instincts will give him an early-down role, though he has to develop more than just a bull rush as a pass rusher, as he rarely wins with speed either to the outside or inside of blockers.
17 (48). Green Bay Packers: Jason Spriggs | Grade: B+
(Pick acquired in trade with Indianapolis Colts)
Rumored to be a first-round pick after a great combine workout, Spriggs goes to Green Bay where he joins David Bakhtiari and Bryan Bulaga at offensive tackle. He may ease into the mix, but should eventually be pegged for a starting spot. His +6.6 pass blocking grade ranked 10th in the class but he whiffs too often in the running game at this point. Spriggs’ athleticism makes him a good zone-blocking fit for Green Bay.
25 (88) Green Bay Packers: Kyler Fackrell | Grade: A-
Fackrell had a strong all-around season in 2015, finishing at +39.0 overall, good for seventh among the draft’s edge defenders. His 15.7 pass rush productivity ranked sixth in the class and he can step in as a situational pass rusher as he continues to develop his skills on the edge in the run game.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Sorry. I presumed they had signed him by now with him getting no traction on his free agent tour. I still think they will on a prove it contract of one year with a second year option. (Too many UFA next year-they don't need to add to the problem)
sho nuff
Footballguy
Jones and Perry both started showing flashes of why they were drafted highly. But yes, at this point JAGs with upside.
Pipes
Footballguy
O.k I'm not going to continue to argue with you so go ahead and believe what you want. All I'm saying is their is no way to prove this when a GM says they draft the BPA and they all GMs say it. It's convenient when a team's pick so happens to line up with a big need which happens all the time.
A situation like when Rodgers fell is rare. I doubt when the Packers draft there usually isn't a guy rated way above another. I'd bet with most of their picks they are looking at a handful of guys with razor thin differences on their overall board. In those cases they will go with the position of need. It's not a bad thing unless it's a situation where a GM is reaching and Thompson typically doesn't do that.
I also believe teams factor in need positions into their scoring of players thus skewing their draft board. Nothing wrong with that but it's not really drafting the BPA with these biases built in.
Anyway here's hoping the Packer's scouting department earns their money today. They typically do.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree. Flashes don't get it done though. They need to be consistent or quite frankly their jobs will always be in jeopardy. Which it should be.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree. I would assume the lineman they took in the second was way ahead of the other players on their board though.
cr8f
Footballguy
strykerpks
Footballguy
In a presser today, Elliot Wolf said "Mike Neal has moved on"KingPrawn said:
The Kerminator
Footballguy
And the Packers finish with a tackle from Stanford Kyle Murphy. Was first team all-PAC 12. Played both right tackle and left tackle. Seems like another solid pick.
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beef
Footballguy
forgot he was still out there. PFF had him as #7 OT, 3rd round grade. High floor, solid technique, good footwork. Like what I'm hearing. Sounds liek a 6th round winner to me.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
PFF report on Murphy
Position fit:
Offensive tackle
Stat to know:
97.8 pass blocking efficiency in 2014 was sixth-best among Power-5 tackles. Only two games below -1.0 in pass blocking the past two seasons
Measureables*:
Height: 6-6
Weight: 305
Arm length: 33 ½ inches
Hand size: 9 ¾ inches
Bench: 23
*Didn’t work out at combine or pro day
What he does best:
— Keeps his hands high and tight in pass protection. Very technically sound and patient with his punch
— Solid footwork in the run game. Rarely gets himself in a bad position. Showed up on double teams where he left guard Josh Garnett took defensive linemen into the linebacker level
— Requisite size and length to play the tackle position. Uses that length very well in the run game where he’ll lock out his arms to finish blocks
Biggest concern:
— Plays with a narrow base and it accentuates some serious strength issues. His pass-blocking efficiency against the bull rush was below the FBS average
— Nothing special athletically. Will overset at times and doesn’t have the change of direction ability to recover it.
— A lot of angle pass sets in Stanford’s offense. Looked awkward when taking vertical sets although switching from right tackle to left his senior year likely didn’t help
Player comparison:
Rob Havenstein, Los Angeles Rams. Athletically they aren’t going to jump off the page at you, but both have the consistency in their technique to give competent play at the tackle position
Bottom line:
After the top tier of tackles in this class no one has a higher floor than Murphy. He definitely needs to get stronger, but he’ll be a starter in the NFL.
Position fit:
Offensive tackle
Stat to know:
97.8 pass blocking efficiency in 2014 was sixth-best among Power-5 tackles. Only two games below -1.0 in pass blocking the past two seasons
Measureables*:
Height: 6-6
Weight: 305
Arm length: 33 ½ inches
Hand size: 9 ¾ inches
Bench: 23
*Didn’t work out at combine or pro day
What he does best:
— Keeps his hands high and tight in pass protection. Very technically sound and patient with his punch
— Solid footwork in the run game. Rarely gets himself in a bad position. Showed up on double teams where he left guard Josh Garnett took defensive linemen into the linebacker level
— Requisite size and length to play the tackle position. Uses that length very well in the run game where he’ll lock out his arms to finish blocks
Biggest concern:
— Plays with a narrow base and it accentuates some serious strength issues. His pass-blocking efficiency against the bull rush was below the FBS average
— Nothing special athletically. Will overset at times and doesn’t have the change of direction ability to recover it.
— A lot of angle pass sets in Stanford’s offense. Looked awkward when taking vertical sets although switching from right tackle to left his senior year likely didn’t help
Player comparison:
Rob Havenstein, Los Angeles Rams. Athletically they aren’t going to jump off the page at you, but both have the consistency in their technique to give competent play at the tackle position
Bottom line:
After the top tier of tackles in this class no one has a higher floor than Murphy. He definitely needs to get stronger, but he’ll be a starter in the NFL.
