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Johnnymac said:
Stick a fork in them.  This team isn't going anywhere until McCarthy goes.  He's been there too long and it's stale.  McCarthy is not Bill Belichick.
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Nor are the 30 other coaches in the league. We need to stop with this ignorant comparison. McCarthy and Thompson have been pretty successful in Green Bay. so let's just end this nonsense.

 
Pipes said:
You think McCarthy can lead them to another Superbowl?
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Yes I do. A lot depends on getting Rodgers "Right." Teams with elite QBs always have a chance. Rodgers has not been in that category in a year. If he can figure it out, they're back in the thick of it. We'll see how the rest of this year goes. 

Also, I firmly believe that Thompson and McCarthy build teams that are designed to start slowly, just based on how they structure the roster. And they always talk about just getting into the playoffs. It's how it worked out last time they won it all. Just get into the tournament, and take it from there.

 
Pipes said:
You think McCarthy can lead them to another Superbowl?
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People didn't think he could lead them to the first one.

Hell...I lost faith part way through that SB year with the way a few of the games went late where they didn't look prepared.

Can he do the same and turn them around again?  I don't know...but fans thinking a guy can lead them some place isn't the best judge of things.  You have people on this board thinking he is a bottom 5 coach in the league.

He has to get the offense back on track though...its been stale and that is on him and Rodgers both right now.

 
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Man in the yellow hat said:
Yes I do. A lot depends on getting Rodgers "Right." Teams with elite QBs always have a chance. Rodgers has not been in that category in a year. If he can figure it out, they're back in the thick of it. We'll see how the rest of this year goes. 

Also, I firmly believe that Thompson and McCarthy build teams that are designed to start slowly, just based on how they structure the roster. And they always talk about just getting into the playoffs. It's how it worked out last time they won it all. Just get into the tournament, and take it from there.
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My confidence is shaken in him and I don't agree with you but that doesn't make me right.  I respect what he's done in the past but I just believe his message and offense have become stale.  Another poster mentioned Andy Reid in Philly and this situation reminds me so much like that one. A good coach who has just worn out his welcome. I blame a large part of the NFC championship game collapse on his ultra conservative play calling and last year I didn't see any adjustments to the offense despite the injury to Nelson.  This year's start isn't helping.  Yes a lot of this is on Rodgers but it's much harder to replace a MVP caliber QB than it is a head coach.

I know I sound very pessimistic here but I really hope your right because I don't think McCarthy is going anywhere for a while.

 
sho nuff said:
People didn't think he could lead them to the first one.

Hell...I lost faith part way through that SB year with the way a few of the games went late where they didn't look prepared.

Can he do the same and turn them around again?  I don't know...but fans thinking a guy can lead them some place isn't the best judge of things.  You have people on this board thinking he is a bottom 5 coach in the league.

He has to get the offense back on track though...its been stale and that is on him and Rodgers both right now.
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No but he shouldn't be coaching the Green Bay Packers if management doesn't think he can lead them back to the Super Bowl.  Agreed saying bottom 5 is laughable but I don't think he's anything special right now either.

 
Pipes said:
No but he shouldn't be coaching the Green Bay Packers if management doesn't think he can lead them back to the Super Bowl.  Agreed saying bottom 5 is laughable but I don't think he's anything special right now either.
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True, but, they better have an idea who they would replace him with. And realize a defensive coach who will stick to the 3/4 probably...given our personnel.

 
Pipes said:
I would say they have depth of both lines but would agree about the lack of depth elsewhere.  Though I think every team would have issues if their top 3 CB's were injured.  However there is absolutely no excuse for the RB situation.  Lacy, even though in better shape, is still overweight and prone to ankle issues and Starks is on the wrong side of 30.  Absolutely needed another back in there.  For the life of me I can't figure out why the Packers don't have a legit 3rd down back someone like a James White that's a decent blocker and can catch a half dozen passes a game. Seems like a great way to take some pressure of Rodgers and the WR's.
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I agree.  Was really hooping they'd get Hillman.  

 
Sabertooth said:
Running backs absolutely.  Corners outside of Shields are all pretty bad.  
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Yeah, I get why we didn't pony up all the cash for Casey Hayward....but man, he has looked good this year.  We could have used him - especially given our bias toward keeping our own draft picks - this year.

The Shields injury really has hurt us.

 
tweet copied from rotoworld:

ESPN Packers reporter Rob Demovsky said WR Ty Montgomery "will get the majority of the running back reps" Thursday night against the Bears.
Montgomery was used heavily in the backfield even with Eddie Lacy (ankle) active last week. With Lacy out and newly-acquired Knile Davis working with the scout team as recently as Tuesday, Montgomery will get the vast majority of backfield work against the Bears. He is a great option in PPR leagues and should push for standard value as well.

Source: Mike Clay on Twitter
Oct 20 - 9:54 AM

 
BearsFan4Life said:
Was Donald Jackson promoted from practice squad?
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As seen elsewhere now...yes, with the move of Lacy to the IR, Jackson promoted and at least according to Ian Rap, he will be in line for the most work tonight.

 
This is like one of those shipwreck movies.  The survivors are straggling out of the sea.  They will shortly assess their number and their assets which washed up on the beach along with them and then they will make plans to make do with what they have available.

 
This is one of those deals where you look like a total genius or absolutely incompetent.  Hoping for the former.  I don't think I ever recall a team starting a wide receiver at running back.  

 
I think we all could see Lacy was looking fat, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was 250+. What's sad is how good Lacy could be if he tried, I hope he's not brought back once his contract is up.  Lazy NFL players are easy to replace. 

I wish they would let Jackson get some real touches, the kid looks like he's got some pop and that's what we need on offense. 

 
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The Claymaker said:
I think we all could see Lacy was looking fat, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he was 250+. What's sad is how could Lacy could be if he tried, I hope he's not brought back once his contract is up.  Lazy NFL players are easy to replace. 

I wish they would let Jackson get some real touches, the kid looks like he's got some pop and that's what we need on offense. 
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Lazy?  He looked like the only was that was trying last week against the cowboys.

 
Lazy in the sense that he refuse to get/stay in shape, I figured that was obvious. I guess I should have been more clear, he's a good back, but clearly that's good enough for him. 

 
Ok...tonight.

First off...always good to beat the Bears even being them being depleted.

Good...

-I will qualify this as the Bears really suck.  But all around a better performance from several areas.  Play calling, utilizing players, Adams, Montgomery, Cobb (really the last several games), 

-Adams...sure, the Bears are deplted too and looked to take away Jordy....but Adams has looked pretty good lately and really some of the catches tonight.  Nice to see.  They need it.

-Cobb...again, last few weeks he is back to showing that he is a very good WR out of the slot.

-Montgomery...impressed with being able to have the dual role

-LBs...lots of talk before the year on the ILBs...Martinez and Ryan have played really well.

-CBs...I will give them positive tonight.  Sure, terrible QB play on the Bears...but the dbs stepped up and were all over the WRs tonight.  It wasn't just bad QB play or pass rush.  Gunter was on Alshon well and they contained Meredith (much to my chagrin FF wise).

-MM play calling, utilization of players, aggressiveness.  Nice job.

-Rodgers...accuracy was much better tonight and could have had some more TDs with those Cobb plays if he could have held on or got the foot down.

-Health...other than Jackson...did anyone leave hurt?

Bad

-no real pass rush at times...disappointing though they were dropping a lot to help the secondary out.

-WRs from the standpoint of nothing deep still.   Jordy was almost invisibile and we just can't get the long ball going.

-Should have destroyed that Bears team and put up 30+

-My one criticism of Rodgers was early on holding the ball even on 3 step drops and not feeling the rush.

 
Well genius it is!  

Montgomery held up much better than I'd have thought.  He did take some shots.  

It hadn't really occurred to me before kickoff but Davis could really help their kick returns.  Might be a good depth guy even if they decide to retool the RB corps.  

 
I used to really enjoy watching rodgers and the gb offense.   But this latest version is tough to watch.  I am so sick of the shotgun 5 yard pass stuff.  I realize the running game is in shambles, but i felt this way before the lacey injury.  it may be effective but damn its boring

 
Rodgers pass to Jordy which drew the foul likely would have been a T.D. completion otherwise, and a long one.

Too bad Cobb did not get his second foot down, there was a T.D. that slipped away by inches.

Both T.D. throws to Adams were off target.  One nice catch, one stellar catch.

Defensive pressure was absent most of the night, but they were worried about flooding zones to help out the depleted defensive backfield.

Montgomery was studly.  I worried about his number of snaps.

Perry continues to play well and the run defense is quite effective.

Crosby, well, off night.

When I see K. Davis got a carry I still think of Kenny Davis.

No injuries, for once.  need to keep that up.

Surprised given the W.R. in the backfield that we did not see more toss sweeps or jet sweeps.

Rodgers completion percentage effected by 3 or 4 deliberate incompletions but still good.  I would have liked him to have gotten rid of the one he fumbled instead.

Pleasantly surprised overall.  Hope the mini-bye helps with injury recoveries.

 
Yeah, the 2 TDs to Adams were not great throws.  Contrasted by the 2 very nice throws that were almost TDs to Cobb.  Put the ball in a place only the WR could get it in tight coverage.

Also, what has gitten into Peppers? He was invisible til last week and now this week again he looked a bit quicker.

Thumbs up Gunter for shaking off how bad he was last week...he was all over Alshon last night.

 
sho nuff said:
Yeah, the 2 TDs to Adams were not great throws.  Contrasted by the 2 very nice throws that were almost TDs to Cobb.  Put the ball in a place only the WR could get it in tight coverage.

Also, what has gitten into Peppers? He was invisible til last week and now this week again he looked a bit quicker.

Thumbs up Gunter for shaking off how bad he was last week...he was all over Alshon last night.
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Pepper is obviously not worth the huge money at this point.  Isn't his contact up this year?  

 
I think Rodgers is going to lead the league in pass attempts going forward.  Knile Davis is awful.  James Starks looked done before he got hurt.  I have no idea what Don Jackson has to offer at this point, but you'd have to be worried about putting him out there protection wise going forward.  Montgomery won't last if they line him up in the backfield and run a normal offense.  

Remember back in the 90s when Holmgrens' teams couldn't run the ball at all?  They used the short passing game in lieu of the run. IMO that is what were gonna see going forward.  56 is a ridiculous amount of pass attempts and I think that's an anomaly, but I can sure see them averaging close to 45.  Last night that had the benefit of getting the passing game in rhythm.  Let's hope that continues going forward.  

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Rodgers pass to Jordy which drew the foul likely would have been a T.D. completion otherwise, and a long one.

Too bad Cobb did not get his second foot down, there was a T.D. that slipped away by inches.

Both T.D. throws to Adams were off target.  One nice catch, one stellar catch.

Defensive pressure was absent most of the night, but they were worried about flooding zones to help out the depleted defensive backfield.

Montgomery was studly.  I worried about his number of snaps.

Perry continues to play well and the run defense is quite effective.

Crosby, well, off night.

When I see K. Davis got a carry I still think of Kenny Davis.

No injuries, for once.  need to keep that up.

Surprised given the W.R. in the backfield that we did not see more toss sweeps or jet sweeps.

Rodgers completion percentage effected by 3 or 4 deliberate incompletions but still good.  I would have liked him to have gotten rid of the one he fumbled instead.

Pleasantly surprised overall.  Hope the mini-bye helps with injury recoveries.
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Great post except for the injury part.  TJ Lang left the game with an injury.  Hopefully not serious because Barclay stinks.

 
Looks like Lang returned to the game, so hopefully not serious, though we have all seen post game injury reports that are worse than we might have thought from game action.

I must say, I am unreasonably pleased with the Packer's victory.  I know it was against a depleted Bears team, and at home, but it showed me a bit of heart.  I love Rodgers donning the Lebowski sweater for his interview.  The Dude abides is even more relaxed than R E L A X.

 
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Not sure how good Jackson can/will be either but I think he's got some burst that we lack. Agree Knile Davis is jag a best. Most enjoyable game I've seen for us this year. With the way the line is playing now we need a back that can exploit it which of course will help Aaron. Just not sure we have "that" back, gotta see Jackson some more. He's got 10 days to heal as does everyone on the team hopefully we come back healthy, especially are DBS. 

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I must say, I am unreasonably pleased with the Packer's victory.  I know it was against a depleted Bears team, and at home, but it showed me a bit of heart.  I love Rodgers donning the Lebowski sweater for his interview.  The Dude abides is even more relaxed than R E L A X.
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The Bears stink but beating them is still important. You know their fans had brief, foolish hope after scoring that TD.

 
Chicago Hooligan said:
The Bears stink but beating them is still important. You know their fans had brief, foolish hope after scoring that TD.
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All wins are good wins, and the Bears, well they are tough to hate anymore they have been so sad for so long, but still, they can rear their heads for a win at any time.  I still remember the spectral hand of Walter Payton blocking a kick from the great beyond.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
All wins are good wins, and the Bears, well they are tough to hate anymore they have been so sad for so long, but still, they can rear their heads for a win at any time.  I still remember the spectral hand of Walter Payton blocking a kick from the great beyond.
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The Bears came into Lambeau last year on Brett / Bart night and took the Packers (and specifically Randall)  behind the wood shed.  Still plenty of bite left in them.  

 
Sabertooth said:
This is one of those deals where you look like a total genius or absolutely incompetent.  Hoping for the former.  I don't think I ever recall a team starting a wide receiver at running back.  
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Montgomery did play some RB in college and many scouts considered him a RB in the draft. Not going to be a workhorse back but can be very useful back there when used properly

 
Interesting quote this morning from Dan Patrick.

Something along the lines of...had Belichick done that play calling last night with like Edelman and another acting as RBs...people would have gone nuts praising how good it was and genius.  But since it was McCarthy...meh.

Also...glad I was so behind on the DVR (had a school function to go to with my kids for a bit last night), that I didn't really venture into that game thread.  Wow, read some of that today.  Between one prominent Bears fan complaining about the refs...to Lions fans thinking they are somehow a good team...  Just a complete crap show.

Also...learned in that thread that Cobb just sucks, the Packers should trade Rodgers, Adams had apparently not had even a decent game this year til last night.

 
I was at the game last night and was slightly less impressed than the majority here.  Rodgers is still way off.  The long throw to Jordy was poor.  Thats a TD from the old Rodgers.  I did see some good things and the game plan was excellent, especially on a short week.  I thought Montgomery, Cobb, and Adams played their asses off.  On defense I thought Gunter did a great job on Alshon Jeffery.  Matthews and Daniels go 110% on every play.  Run defense was very good for the most part.  The Bears broke a few long ones but that was pretty much it.  All in all it was nice to see them win.

 
sho nuff said:
Interesting quote this morning from Dan Patrick.

Something along the lines of...had Belichick done that play calling last night with like Edelman and another acting as RBs...people would have gone nuts praising how good it was and genius.  But since it was McCarthy...meh.

Also...glad I was so behind on the DVR (had a school function to go to with my kids for a bit last night), that I didn't really venture into that game thread.  Wow, read some of that today.  Between one prominent Bears fan complaining about the refs...to Lions fans thinking they are somehow a good team...  Just a complete crap show.

Also...learned in that thread that Cobb just sucks, the Packers should trade Rodgers, Adams had apparently not had even a decent game this year til last night.
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McCarthy called a great game last night.  That's the first time in a long time that I saw he thinking outside the box and try some new things.  It's nice to know that he can still adapt to what personnel he has available to him.  Not quite sure why that didn't happen last year and why Montgomery didn't see much action until the Dallas game.  Maybe it's not all doom and gloom after all.

 
Agree..one of the best games he had called.  Thjngs stalled early on some drops. But they were aggressive and i liked that.

On D, read a lot of complaimts about not selling out to stop the run. I think they settled in to nothing but nickel with 3 and 4 man rushes to help out the beat up secondary.  I would have liked to have seen more pressure,  but understood their plan there.

 
This was one of those "all hands on deck"  performances where they responded well.  

Atlanta is going to be a hige challenge.  I hope they can limit Julio ala Beckham and Alshon.  Any word on Shields or -gulp- Randall?

 
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