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PFF Draft ‏@PFF_College 24s25 seconds agoShilique Calhoun ranked second in pass rush grade and total pressures (76) among Edge defenders in the NFL Draft

 
Watched some of the film on Joseph. Plays up near the los alot and can sure as heck hit. Looks like he can play SS and have at least better than average cover/ball skills over your typical SS.

 
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Calhoun in round three is value. 3-time All American, team captain, 128 QB pressures in three seasons. This is a talented, proven player.

 
3 down and (barring trades) 5 more tomorrow. I predict we see a couple of small school athletic flyers in that group. I want an ILB and RB if we can find some value. Hayden gets one more year at CB3/4, which is a bit scary.

What is wrong with Andrew Billings, besides short wings? If it's not an 007 injury or off-field issue that's made him fall, he's our new Jelly if we take him tomorrow. 4th round pound.

 
Kelvin Taylor would be a nice pickup tomorrrow....would make a good complimentary rb to Murray

 
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Here is the PFF draft profile for West Virginia safety Karl Joseph, which incorporates PFF’s college grades and scouting intel from our team of analysts. To see all of PFF’s 2016 scouting reports, click here. 


Position fit:


Versatile safety in almost any scheme (anything but single-high FS)


Stats to know:


In just four games this season, Joseph posted a grade (+12.4) that would have ranked him inside he top 20 in the draft class overall.


What he does best:


• Joseph is a powerful presence in the box, coming up quickly and delivering big shots and tackles close to the line of scrimmage. He also has no problem with taking on linemen blockers and will happily attack much bigger players. Notched 38 defensive stops in 2014, and eight across four games this season before injury.

• Reads the game well in all areas. Both in coverage and the run game, has a good ability to diagnose the play and understand what is happening and where the threat is coming from. Will comfortably react to coverage danger and keeps his eyes where they need to be throughout the play.

• Can cover pretty well in both off-man coverage and zones. Will cover receivers closely and uses his body/contact well to mitigate a potential speed disadvantage against quick receivers.

• Plays the ball well. Had five interceptions over four games this season to lead the FBS before being injured in practice, ending his season.

• Zero penalties across the past two seasons of play.


Biggest concern:


• Tore his ACL after four games last season, so will have to be medically cleared, and we may not see the best version of Joseph in his rookie season.

• Straight-line speed and range. Injury means we may not get an answer to this question in the form of a 40-yard dash time before the draft, but Joseph at times looks to struggle for outright speed, which will limit his ability to play centerfield and single-high free safety. Can make up for it at times by reading the QB and setting off early, but NFL QBs are better with their eyes than their college counterparts, and that may get him into trouble at the next level.

• Is he big enough to attack the same way he does in college at the next level? Getting into physical confrontations with offensive linemen at 205 pounds is not likely to go well in the NFL.


Pro style comparison: 


Eric Weddle, Baltimore Ravens. Like Weddle, Joseph should be able to excel in all areas of the game playing safety, but also like Weddle, the one area he would not be fully at home would be the Earl Thomas-type role of a deep-lying, single-high free safety. Joseph has the ability to become an integral part of a defense at the next level.


Bottom line:


There are people out there that believe Karl Joseph is the best defensive back in the entire draft. That seems over the top, but there is little doubt that he was on track for a fantastic season before getting hurt, and shows very few flaws to his game. Safety in today’s NFL varies according to team and defensive scheme, but Joseph has the ability to excel in almost all schemes at the next level. His ACL injury and inability to answer question marks by participating in workouts, however, will likely prevent him from being drafted early.
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Utah RB Devontae Booker and about 50 of his family and friends took over our local pizza place last night.  They ended up waiting 4 HOURS and he wasn't drafted at all. 

Wouldn't mind if Oakland took a shot on him, but really I like Louisianna Tech RB  Kenneth Dixon.

 
I like the pick....Mcgloin is a FA after this season so why not get younger at the position and it will cost us less salary to have Cook as the backup long term.  We got a talented QB that many had projected to go 2nd round.

 
Gotta say, the Cook pick is a little shocking to me, but I don't hate the pick. Hopefully Cook has a little fire under him to push Carr to be better, but Cook has always seemed like a career back-up to me, which is just what we need.

 
This draft feels eerily similar to McKenzie's early drafts. Reaching a bit for a productive DB coming off injury in the 1st rd, taking a raw low production physical talent in the 2nd rd, and a bit of a #### stain QB in the 4th round. Hope I'm way wrong, obviously, but there are parallels here.

 
A 5th does seem a little high compensation to move up 14 spots to get him in the 4th though. I would have been more comfortable with a 6th but that is nitpicking.

 
Adam Schefter points out on twitter "Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie comes from Ron Wolf tree: Draft and develop backup QBs that turn into trade currency- Brunell and Hasselbeck."

 
;McGloin in last year of his deal.

Cook clearly had talent higher than this spot.  We have him for four years as our backup--at worst.  

I have no problem investing in the QB position.  Good backup QB can save your season.  Dallas could have used one last year.

Also, Dallas wanted him at their pick, and Jerry was the one that screwed over his former buddies son in the LA deal, so Jerry can eat ####.  I look forward to Tony Romo's next cracked collarbone.  #### them.  

 
BustedKnuckles said:
last 2 drafts were so good that we were do for a slight letdown 
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After Free Agency we had I think anything less than landing Elliott and Ramsay would fee like a let down. Doesn't mean it actually is a let down. I remember not being excited about our last draft and it proved me wrong.

 
Chadstroma said:
Adam Schefter points out on twitter "Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie comes from Ron Wolf tree: Draft and develop backup QBs that turn into trade currency- Brunell and Hasselbeck."
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Couple other examples at least, old Cowboys with Aikman and Walsh (who would generate 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks one day) and the Redskins with Griffin and Cousins (who turned into the real starter).

With no call for Cook to start the leadership issue won't be glaring and he will have a chance and reason to mature.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Couple other examples at least, old Cowboys with Aikman and Walsh (who would generate 1st, 2nd & 3rd round picks one day) and the Redskins with Griffin and Cousins (who turned into the real starter).

With no call for Cook to start the leadership issue won't be glaring and he will have a chance and reason to mature.
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Difference in ages is makes it not nearly the same situation but also remember Rodgers was drafted while Farve was the entrenched starter. Had time to sit and learn and is now ELITE if not BEST. Sure, Carr is young but you never know what happens in this league. Insurance plus potential trade bait. I likey.

 
RB DeAndre Washington...what do we know about this kid...not very big...change of pace ? return man? more of a  scat back ?

 
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BustedKnuckles said:
RB DeAndre Washington...what do we know about this kid...not very big...change of pace ? return man? more of a  scat back ?
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4 (143). Oakland Raiders: DeAndre Washington, HB, Texas Tech


The 16th-highest-graded running back in this draft class, Washington was second in the class averaging 6.5 yards per carry in 2015. He had the third-highest elusive rating at 86.1, forcing 67 missed tackles on a combined 271 touches on offense last year.

 
Solid BPA value pick, let's also remember we prevented both Jerry and the Chiefs from getting Cook.

Wanted to see us shore up LB and RB as well as maybe OG, but we def solved secondary in this draft and with no other positions of absolute need without being in slots to nab marquee players, we're looking good overall, even if our draft grade turns out average.

 
OVERVIEW


Smart coaches take advantage of the talent that is on their roster. Former Tech quarterback Kliff Kingsbury showed his intelligence by figuring out that he needed to get the rock to his wrecking ball named DeAndre Washington, despite the team's reputation as a pass-first squad. Certainly, Washington contributed throughout his career, starting off playing in 11 games (one start) as a true freshman (77-366, three touchdowns). But that year ended with a torn ACL, so he was forced to redshirt the 2012 season. Washington got back on track as a sophomore (107-485, four touchdowns in 12 games, two starts) and became "the man" for Tech as a junior, garnering second-team All-Big 12 honors by covering 1,103 yards on just 188 carries (5.9 per rush) and scoring twice. Given the chance to carry the ball nearly 20 times a game as a senior, Washington proved his worth with a first-team All-Big 12 pick (233-1,492, 14 touchdowns). NFL teams wont ignore his contributions in the passing game, either (30-328, two touchdowns in 2014; 41-385, two touchdowns in 2015).


ANALYSIS



STRENGTHS

 Exceptional turnover in his feet. Gets up to top gear quickly and plays there. Gamer who lacks no confidence. Short but muscular with well-­built calves and a toughness that belies his size. Is unafraid of the work required as an interior runner. Works to keep his pads square and runs with desired balance. Can push through an arm tackle and is willing in pass protection. Dangerous run after catch ability in screen game and from the slot. Reliable and productive.

WEAKNESSES

 Overall size will be a challenging obstacle to conquer. Predictably small hands may have lead to issues with drops and fumbles. Showed inconsistency and lack of discipline with his run path at times. More straight­-line quick and shifty in space. Vision is nothing special and is often late making necessary reads and cuts. Too small to pick up blitzing linebackers in NFL.

DRAFT PROJECTION

 Rounds 6 or 7

SOURCES TELL US

 "Really competes hard. Glad he got the call at the Senior Bowl and I thought he handled himself well. Size is big concern. He returned kicks early in his career and may have to prove he can do that to add enough roster value to stick." -- AFC South personnel executive

NFL COMPARISON

 Branden Oliver

BOTTOM LINE

 Productive running back who was able to have an impact on the ground and through the air in Texas Tech's wide-­open attack. Washington is short but compact and certainly does not lack the toughness to transition into the NFL, but issues with drops and ball security could hurt his chances to make a roster if he can't prove to be a kick return option at some point during camp.
 
Chadstroma said:
Another guy with knee injury. :unsure:
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DeAndre Washington is undersized but powerful. Confident but humble. He could have let a torn ACL derail his career but worked hard as hell to maximize his potential and rush for nearly 2,600 yards in his last two seasons in an Air Raid offense. Texas Tech hadn't had a 1,000-yard rusher in 16 years when Washington did it in 2014.

 
DocHolliday said:
Washington is a solid pick.  Murray and Washington makes the backfield pretty good. I like the different styles. 
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Are they that much "different styles" as opposed to Washington contributing in 3rd down situations? A big north south short yard age or smash mouth back who produces between the tackles would be pairing Murray with a different style runner. 

 
19 (194) Oakland Raiders: Cory James, LB, Colorado State


James was effective when rushing the passer over the past two seasons, averaging a pressure once every 8.4 pass rushes with 56 total pressures. James missed just one of 34 tackles attempts in the run game and overall had the sixth-best tackling efficiency of the linebacker class.

 
Addressing another area where we could use depth or starters -- nice.

With today's NFL style of subs on Ds, can't fault Reggie for stockpiling talent on the defensive side of the ball. 

Still wonders if our draft might have been better with the following combinations:

R1 Joseph

R2 Derrick Henry or Jarran Reed or Mackenzie Alexander

R3 Shilique Calhoun or Adolphus Washington or C.J. Prosise (even Jordan Jenkins)

 
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