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2016 Oakland Raiders thread (1 Viewer)

That mayor seems pretty dug in.

I don't pretend to follow this closely, but her statements are pretty consistent:  Really hope you guys stay.  We love the Raiders.  You are getting no public money.  All the best.  

It seems to me that she's pretty comfortable in her position, I have no doubt there have been all kinds of polls among voters, and she doesn't seem worried about making a move that might cost her her job.  She has been saying the same thing for years.  I really like the stance, I just wish the Raiders had gotten theirs before the well dried up.  Public money going to teams for stadiums, and then the teams looking for new ones every 20 years is offensive.  Look at the Rams.  The Raiders had a worse stadium than the Rams when the Rams left for St. Louis.  20 years later, Kroenke pulls up stakes because he wanted a replacement for that.

The bummer of it is that Mark clearly wants to stay, he is NOT some Wal-Mart/dot com billionaire that doesn't care about the city.  This guy truly cannot pull a billion from the couch cushions.  At the same time, it truly seems like Libby knows what she is talking about, Oakland cannot afford it.  Good for her, and Oakland shouldn't pay for something that doesn't make sense.  

I have to admit, I have been making weekend game trip plans for Vegas, and it sounds pretty great.  I still hope that the team stays, but heck, Vegas is a fine, fine consolation prize.  

I wonder if the team would play at UNLV's stadium for a season or so until stadium is ready.  

 
massraider said:
That mayor seems pretty dug in.

I don't pretend to follow this closely, but her statements are pretty consistent:  Really hope you guys stay.  We love the Raiders.  You are getting no public money.  All the best.  

It seems to me that she's pretty comfortable in her position, I have no doubt there have been all kinds of polls among voters, and she doesn't seem worried about making a move that might cost her her job.  She has been saying the same thing for years.  I really like the stance, I just wish the Raiders had gotten theirs before the well dried up.  Public money going to teams for stadiums, and then the teams looking for new ones every 20 years is offensive.  Look at the Rams.  The Raiders had a worse stadium than the Rams when the Rams left for St. Louis.  20 years later, Kroenke pulls up stakes because he wanted a replacement for that.

The bummer of it is that Mark clearly wants to stay, he is NOT some Wal-Mart/dot com billionaire that doesn't care about the city.  This guy truly cannot pull a billion from the couch cushions.  At the same time, it truly seems like Libby knows what she is talking about, Oakland cannot afford it.  Good for her, and Oakland shouldn't pay for something that doesn't make sense.  

I have to admit, I have been making weekend game trip plans for Vegas, and it sounds pretty great.  I still hope that the team stays, but heck, Vegas is a fine, fine consolation prize.  

I wonder if the team would play at UNLV's stadium for a season or so until stadium is ready.  
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Oakland doesn't have any cash and I doubt they could really raise much otherwise. The city finances are in shambles. The only hope for staying in Oakland is that a private group like Lott's come in and build a whole development which would mean that Oakland would have to basically give the land up for free for it to make sense. Not sure she is even willing to consider that though it would be silly not to.

For Kroenke, I will tell you right now that it was not about stadiums but it was about markets. St Louis vs LA? And ideally a LA that you 'own' all by yourself? Yea, no brainer there. That is why he never really seriously explored staying even when the city/state were trying to offer something.

It will be very few options for teams now to get tons of public money. People (the public) are looking at it and saying "how does it benefit us to spend X amount of taxpayer money to build something that they will want a new one of before we pay off the previous debt for these billionaires?" The dynamic is changing.

I remember reading before that the UNLV stadium would NOT be a good option to play in while the new stadium was being built. Not sure what they do otherwise.... rent in Oakland for another couple of years?

 
This really brings to light that the issue is less the location and more the owner.  Davis can't afford to build his own stadium, which means he needs investors or handouts.  Both come at a cost - profit sharing.  Which means the profits from the stadium and parking and merchandising and and and are going to be split.  The Raiders/Davis will only get so much of it, and that's not going to solve our biggest financial concern - that we can't write the big-money contracts (we're going to need at least two by 2018 and another in '19) because we can't put the cash in escrow.  Davis needs to sell.  Maybe not full ownership, maybe not even majority ownership, but he's got to find a way to raise around $200M free-flow cash in three years in addition to the stadium.

 
It has been said that the Raiders have about $300MM to put into a stadium (wherever it is). NFL doing $200MM. I still am not clear if the $100MM added as a consolation prize on missing out on LA is just for a stadium in Oakland or anywhere. So, although Davis does not have cash- the team has some. Staying in Oakland does not help their financial situation though because as you pointed out- any deal done means less revenue for the team. I don't think that they would share any revenue in LV. It is the best option for us. Clearly.

 
Jason Cole says he surveyed 16 owners, 14 of which said they were either for or open to the idea of the Raiders going to Las Vegas. He said the bigger concern was whether they can get a Stadium built and have a good agreement between everyone involved more so than the gambling. Sounds more and more like if they build it we will go.

 
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First talk of any action for a stadium in Oakland...

Lott led group with Oakland stadium proposal
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Rodney Peete sighting!

Irony that in 1989, Peete could have been the first rookie QB to start for the Lions in a regular season game since the late 60s, but had to miss the first few games of the season when he sprained his knee in a preseason game...against the LA Rams.

OK, maybe too much of a stretch to be ironic, but still -- good to see Peete's name again, and even better that he paired up with Lott to keep the Raiders in Oakland. Not like either of them had very long careers in SIlver & Black, but goes to show you, once a Raider, always a Raider. Very cool, even though it will likely go to naught.

 
split the division games. win 3/5 east coast starts.(which will be an accomplishment)  win 2 from atl, hou, car, buf, indy.  can we win more?   yes!  but that vegas number is right on the money imho.

 
massraider said:
I wonder if the team would play at UNLV's stadium for a season or so until stadium is ready.  
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Sam Boyd Stadium 36,000  vs. Oakland Alameda Stadium 63,132

In 2012 Oakland was dead last in attendance per game, 54,200 avg.

So with with a diff of 18k (36<54) If you could sell out at +33% Coliseum ticket pricing, you'd get the same ticket sales. (obviously grossly less on food, parking and such).

They already have (close to ) the lowest ticket pricing at 92$ in 2015.

So average pricing at 120$-125$ and sold out would off set the loss of tickets.  About 34.5 million in ticket revenue.

 
Andre DeBose waived/injured.  Appears not ready to go after Achilles injury.  A bummer, the return job is up for grabs.  I wonder if he gets a chance to join the PS at some point.  

 
Robert Kraft brought up a good point about the Raiders moving to Vegas. He basically said it would be good for the league because it would be a great destination spot for all NFL fans. Essentially, he's saying (hoping?) the Raiders would never have a home field advantage if they moved to Vegas because both Raider fans and visiting teams' fans would be traveling to the game. Is the Raider fan base big enough in Vegas plus traveling Raider fans to give them home field advantage? I'm not sure. It would be interesting to see, for example if the Raiders played the Cards, Cowboys and Steelers. What percentage of that stadium will be in Silver & Black. It definitely wouldn't ever be like the Oakland Coliseum. 

 
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Robert Kraft brought up a good point about the Raiders moving to Vegas. He basically said it would be good for the league because it would be a great destination spot for all NFL fans. Essentially, he's saying (hoping?) the Raiders would never have a home field advantage if they moved to Vegas because both Raider fans and visiting teams' fans would be traveling to the game. Is the Raider fan base big enough in Vegas plus traveling Raider fans to give them home field advantage? I'm not sure. It would be interesting to see, for example if the Raiders played the Cards, Cowboys and Steelers. What percentage of that stadium will be in Silver & Black. It definitely wouldn't ever be like the Oakland Coliseum. 
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We have discussed it here previously. It is the only potential downside I see but I am not convinced that it is an automatic thing. The reputation now is that you don't go to see a Raider fan to cheer on the other team or you are putting your body at risk. Does that carry on over to LV? I don't know but the reputation could help more so than any other team.

Cowboys and Steelers travel well regardless of what city their team is playing in. I could see Cards fans coming up to Vegas. And sure, you will have the more than now influx of opposing fans coming to a Raider game. I don't think you will see more opposing colors in a stadium than Silver and Black. I still think opposing fans will be intimidated not to go.

I still think that many in Vegas will adopt the Raiders and you will get a huge influx of attendance from our strongholds in LA and Bay Area with Raider faithful coming into see games as well as those all over the country who suddenly see flying in to see a game worthwhile since they are in Vegas and not in Oakland.

It is a risk that we are taking and one a bit unique to LV but I am not seeing it as something that will doom us.

 
FreshiZ said:
This has to be one of our biggest challenges of the year. 31,000+ travel miles this year. Conspiracy I tell ya!

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2016-nfl-schedule-rams-will-travel-the-most-miles-steelers-the-fewest/
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Having a home game in Mexico city doesnt help.

Although, Davis requested 4 east coast games to be back to back. The Jags and Bucs games allow us to stay in that area for the week. As well as the Ravens and Titans games.

As it says in the notes, if we do this our total miles would be lower

 
I brought up the realistic possibility that a Vegas rellocation may not provide a true home field advantage but I think they can live with that, particularly if they put a winning team on the field.  And, no offense Chad but the notion of being afraid to root for the opposing team in Oakland is a myth, frankly a Raider game in San Diego is more dangerous.  The biggest problem with moving to Vegas is that it would be the fifth smallest media market in the NFL (Green Bay, New Orleans, Buffalo and another one that clearly isn't worth remembering or I would have).  And the NFL is all about the bottom line so that, IMO, is the biggest obstruction to the move.  I hope Ronnie Lott and his group can put together a credible proposal for Oakland because...well for obvious reasons.

 
Chaka said:
I brought up the realistic possibility that a Vegas rellocation may not provide a true home field advantage but I think they can live with that, particularly if they put a winning team on the field.  And, no offense Chad but the notion of being afraid to root for the opposing team in Oakland is a myth, frankly a Raider game in San Diego is more dangerous.  The biggest problem with moving to Vegas is that it would be the fifth smallest media market in the NFL (Green Bay, New Orleans, Buffalo and another one that clearly isn't worth remembering or I would have).  And the NFL is all about the bottom line so that, IMO, is the biggest obstruction to the move.  I hope Ronnie Lott and his group can put together a credible proposal for Oakland because...well for obvious reasons.
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Not sure why I would take offense to that but again, it really doesn't matter if it is true or not but what the perception is and I think if you asked people which team do opposing fans have the highest possibility of getting in a fight- Oakland would be #1.... maybe Philly would give them a run? Earned or not- you can debate and I really don't care either way but the reputation creates a perception. Over time, perhaps that perception changes but I think it would hold some weight to begin with.

Put a winning team on the field and that solves all problems as fans from LA and Bay Area will stream in AND you build a new fanbase in LV. You will have plenty of people buying tickets and the majority of them will be Raider fans.

Seriously, it can't be worse then playing in a half empty 50 year old sewer dump best suited for baseball use.

 
Chadstroma said:
Not sure why I would take offense to that but again, it really doesn't matter if it is true or not but what the perception is and I think if you asked people which team do opposing fans have the highest possibility of getting in a fight- Oakland would be #1.... maybe Philly would give them a run? Earned or not- you can debate and I really don't care either way but the reputation creates a perception. Over time, perhaps that perception changes but I think it would hold some weight to begin with.

Put a winning team on the field and that solves all problems as fans from LA and Bay Area will stream in AND you build a new fanbase in LV. You will have plenty of people buying tickets and the majority of them will be Raider fans.

Seriously, it can't be worse then playing in a half empty 50 year old sewer dump best suited for baseball use.
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I haven't seen a poll, and I fully admit I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that dangerous mystique inre going to Oakland just doesn't hold up anymore.  I think a decade of being a league punching bag has that kind of impact.  

 
Chaka said:
I haven't seen a poll, and I fully admit I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that dangerous mystique inre going to Oakland just doesn't hold up anymore.  I think a decade of being a league punching bag has that kind of impact.  
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Pretty much. I've probably been to 20 plus games since they moved back to Oakland and I've definitely noticed more of an opposing teams' fans presence in the past 10 years. And FWIW I've only witnessed 3 fights. Obviously, there probably are a lot more. But I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be. As long as your not being an idiot, people leave you alone, no matter what teams jersey you're wearing.

 
Chadstroma said:
Not sure why I would take offense to that but again, it really doesn't matter if it is true or not but what the perception is and I think if you asked people which team do opposing fans have the highest possibility of getting in a fight- Oakland would be #1.... maybe Philly would give them a run? Earned or not- you can debate and I really don't care either way but the reputation creates a perception. Over time, perhaps that perception changes but I think it would hold some weight to begin with.

Put a winning team on the field and that solves all problems as fans from LA and Bay Area will stream in AND you build a new fanbase in LV. You will have plenty of people buying tickets and the majority of them will be Raider fans.

Seriously, it can't be worse then playing in a half empty 50 year old sewer dump best suited for baseball use.
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I can't speak to perception, just experience from LA Raiders days (no idea about Oakland).

I've probably been to more than 20 but less than 50 Dodgers games in my life (most of those from the age of 10-30). Probably 3-5 Raiders games at the Coliseum (I was a Rams fan). Possibly an exaggeration, but it seemed like within a few rows there were multiple fights going on throughout the game. Maybe more fights in one typical game than all the Dodgers games I ever went to combined? Rams games weren't like that. While losing can breed apathy, some of those times fell during the 70s when they had one of the longest divisional win streaks in league history.

* Even Howie Long claimed to refuse to bring his family to games in LA. When the PLAYERS talk like that, that does speak to perception.

 
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Bob Magaw said:
I can't speak to perception, just experience from LA Raiders days (no idea about Oakland).

I've probably been to more than 20 but less than 50 Dodgers games in my life (most of those from the age of 10-30). Probably 3-5 Raiders games at the Coliseum (I was a Rams fan). Possibly an exaggeration, but it seemed like within a few rows there were multiple fights going on throughout the game. Maybe more fights in one typical game than all the Dodgers games I ever went to combined? Rams games weren't like that. While losing can breed apathy, some of those times fell during the 70s when they had one of the longest divisional win streaks in league history.

* Even Howie Long claimed to refuse to bring his family to games in LA. When the PLAYERS talk like that, that does speak to perception.
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No one is questioning the perception, and, like you, I also have been to more Raider games in Los Angeles than Oakland, as an aside since you mentioned the Rams, my mother went into labor with me at a Rams game and didn't leave until the game was over, heck they almost named me Roman (kinda wish they did because Roman is a much cooler name than Chaka).  I'm still a Ram fan on many levels but for whatever reason the Raiders come first.  However having been to several Raiders games in Oakland with friends who rooted for the opposing team and going to even more Raider games in San Diego as a supporter of the opposing team, with friends who were Charger fans, my opinion is that Los Angeles back in the day and San Diego in the present are both riskier venues for opposing fans than Oakland coliseum regardless of what perception suggests.

 
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Great story and thanks for sharing your experience, as well as furnishing greater context on Raiders fandom outside LA.

* I hope the Rams at least won, and it didn't go into OT (your mother sounded pretty serious about pro football)? :)  

If the Chargers work out something to remain in SD, it looks increasingly like OAK won't be returning regardless, which means the Rams would have LA to themselves. That would be more meaningful if they develop into a winning franchise. OAK has had an extremely impressive turnaround in recent seasons.   

 
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Bob Magaw said:
Great story and thanks for sharing your experience, as well as furnishing greater context on Raiders fandom outside LA.

* I hope the Rams at least won, and it didn't go into OT (your mother sounded pretty serious about pro football)? :)  

If the Chargers work out something to remain in SD, it looks increasingly like OAK won't be returning regardless, which means the Rams would have LA to themselves. That would be more meaningful if they develop into a winning franchise. OAK has had an extremely impressive turnaround in recent seasons.   
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The Raiders organization has put a priority on cleaning up their image on game day. Here is a article that talks about it some.

Oakland Raiders, NFL believe team is mending reputation for disorderly fans

By Vincent Bonsignore

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20150720/oakland-raiders-nfl-believe-team-is-mending-reputation-for-disorderly-fans

 
Bob Magaw said:
Great story and thanks for sharing your experience, as well as furnishing greater context on Raiders fandom outside LA.

* I hope the Rams at least won, and it didn't go into OT (your mother sounded pretty serious about pro football)? :)  

If the Chargers work out something to remain in SD, it looks increasingly like OAK won't be returning regardless, which means the Rams would have LA to themselves. That would be more meaningful if they develop into a winning franchise. OAK has had an extremely impressive turnaround in recent seasons.   
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You have to remember two things about LA.

First, Kroenke has won. He has no incentive to play nice. He has no incentive to bring a full partner on. His only incentive is to offer a good enough deal that people don't cry foul. There is absolutely no positive for Kroenke in sharing the stadium with another team versus being THE team in LA.

Second, Davis, rightfully so, has no interest in being a tenant in someone else's stadium. If he was, we likely would be in Santa Clara right now renting from SF. Renting from another team or even being a junior partner- which likely in the end is renting in all but name, only cements the team into a second class team.

SD makes absolutely no sense to me. You are telling me that if the Chargers can't get a deal done and they move to LA that we, the hated Raiders, will get a deal done in SD? Huh? How does that happen?

Oakland is dead. There is no money there, the city will offer nothing (and likely can't offer anything) and there is no opportunity to expand the fanbase as the lines are drawn in the bay area and you are either a SF fan or Oak fan. I can't see a private relationship that will make sense either.

There really is no better option than LV right now. It is best available option #1 assuming LV comes through with the public/private money talked about.

 
Chaka said:
No one is questioning the perception, and, like you, I also have been to more Raider games in Los Angeles than Oakland, as an aside since you mentioned the Rams, my mother went into labor with me at a Rams game and didn't leave until the game was over, heck they almost named me Roman (kinda wish they did because Roman is a much cooler name than Chaka).  I'm still a Ram fan on many levels but for whatever reason the Raiders come first.  However having been to several Raiders games in Oakland with friends who rooted for the opposing team and going to even more Raider games in San Diego as a supporter of the opposing team, with friends who were Charger fans, my opinion is that Los Angeles back in the day and San Diego in the present are both riskier venues for opposing fans than Oakland coliseum regardless of what perception suggests.
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I will be calling you Roman from here on out.

 
Chadstroma said:
You have to remember two things about LA.

First, Kroenke has won. He has no incentive to play nice. He has no incentive to bring a full partner on. His only incentive is to offer a good enough deal that people don't cry foul. There is absolutely no positive for Kroenke in sharing the stadium with another team versus being THE team in LA.

Second, Davis, rightfully so, has no interest in being a tenant in someone else's stadium. If he was, we likely would be in Santa Clara right now renting from SF. Renting from another team or even being a junior partner- which likely in the end is renting in all but name, only cements the team into a second class team.

SD makes absolutely no sense to me. You are telling me that if the Chargers can't get a deal done and they move to LA that we, the hated Raiders, will get a deal done in SD? Huh? How does that happen?

Oakland is dead. There is no money there, the city will offer nothing (and likely can't offer anything) and there is no opportunity to expand the fanbase as the lines are drawn in the bay area and you are either a SF fan or Oak fan. I can't see a private relationship that will make sense either.

There really is no better option than LV right now. It is best available option #1 assuming LV comes through with the public/private money talked about.
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And really, the greed of the owners, that pushed the Kroenke agenda in LA, will work to our advantage now.  All these same greedy owners will have an interest in keeping the Raiders out of their markets.  

Even Bob McNair, the big mouth, more money than brains, motherless f**k will be voting with a smile to have Mark in Vegas.  

 
Chadstroma said:
You have to remember two things about LA.

First, Kroenke has won. He has no incentive to play nice. He has no incentive to bring a full partner on. His only incentive is to offer a good enough deal that people don't cry foul. There is absolutely no positive for Kroenke in sharing the stadium with another team versus being THE team in LA.

Second, Davis, rightfully so, has no interest in being a tenant in someone else's stadium. If he was, we likely would be in Santa Clara right now renting from SF. Renting from another team or even being a junior partner- which likely in the end is renting in all but name, only cements the team into a second class team.

SD makes absolutely no sense to me. You are telling me that if the Chargers can't get a deal done and they move to LA that we, the hated Raiders, will get a deal done in SD? Huh? How does that happen?

Oakland is dead. There is no money there, the city will offer nothing (and likely can't offer anything) and there is no opportunity to expand the fanbase as the lines are drawn in the bay area and you are either a SF fan or Oak fan. I can't see a private relationship that will make sense either.

There really is no better option than LV right now. It is best available option #1 assuming LV comes through with the public/private money talked about.
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The below is what I wrote, guess it needs annotations. :)

"If the Chargers work out something to remain in SD, it looks increasingly like OAK won't be returning regardless, which means the Rams would have LA to themselves. That would be more meaningful if they develop into a winning franchise. OAK has had an extremely impressive turnaround in recent seasons."   

1) If the Chargers remain, and due to the fact that it looks increasingly like the Raiders are leaning strongly to going to Vegas, Rams could have the LA market to themselves. No idea how those in OAK feel about a Vegas move, but I can see how it could be best for the franchise to have a competitive stadium situation.

2) I agree Vegas would be better for the Raiders than LA, never said anything to the contrary?

3) I didn't say anything about the Raiders to SD, only addressed implications if the Chargers REMAINED for LA and OAK (kind of the opposite point), no idea where that interpretation came from?     

 
Bob Magaw said:
The below is what I wrote, guess it needs annotations. :)

"If the Chargers work out something to remain in SD, it looks increasingly like OAK won't be returning regardless, which means the Rams would have LA to themselves. That would be more meaningful if they develop into a winning franchise. OAK has had an extremely impressive turnaround in recent seasons."   

1) If the Chargers remain, and due to the fact that it looks increasingly like the Raiders are leaning strongly to going to Vegas, Rams could have the LA market to themselves. No idea how those in OAK feel about a Vegas move, but I can see how it could be best for the franchise to have a competitive stadium situation.

2) I agree Vegas would be better for the Raiders than LA, never said anything to the contrary?

3) I didn't say anything about the Raiders to SD, only addressed implications if the Chargers REMAINED for LA and OAK (kind of the opposite point), no idea where that interpretation came from?     
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Was carrying the discussion further. Nothing about addressing your particular point. My main reply to you was points 1 and 2 in regards to LA.

 
massraider said:
And really, the greed of the owners, that pushed the Kroenke agenda in LA, will work to our advantage now.  All these same greedy owners will have an interest in keeping the Raiders out of their markets.  

Even Bob McNair, the big mouth, more money than brains, motherless f**k will be voting with a smile to have Mark in Vegas.  
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I agree that they will vote to keep them out of competing markets but it could still be a tough sell to move a team into what would be the 4th or 5th smallest media market in the NFL.

 
FYI, There are over 2 million people in Clark county. The Las Vegas City population doesn't include North Las Vegas, Henderson or, unicorporated Clark County. 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Las+Vegas,+NV/@36.1246738,-115.4551869,10z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x80beb782a4f57dd1:0x3accd5e6d5b379a3!8m2!3d36.1699412!4d-115.1398296.

There are over 2 million people 20 miles of the Strip. The Nielsen "40th ranked TV Market" stat needs to be looked at, at more than a surface level. http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/comprehensive-planning/demographics/Documents/PlacePopulation.pdf. 

There are plenty of Raider fans here already. Not to mention the tourist population. 

 
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I agree that they will vote to keep them out of competing markets but it could still be a tough sell to move a team into what would be the 4th or 5th smallest media market in the NFL.
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Build it big and shiny enough with money coming from public/private sources other than the team and NFL- they vote yes. 

 
Chadstroma said:
Build it big and shiny enough with money coming from public/private sources other than the team and NFL- they vote yes. 
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Probably but when it comes to renegotiating the television contract the networks base their calculus on media market size, I'm not sure where Oakland falls in market size but Bob & Jerry's bean counters are doing the math and if it comes out that Oakland with a #### stadium means more TV dollars than Las Vegas with all the shiny, shiny then I think that is the way they will vote.

 
Chaka said:
No one is questioning the perception, and, like you, I also have been to more Raider games in Los Angeles than Oakland, as an aside since you mentioned the Rams, my mother went into labor with me at a Rams game and didn't leave until the game was over, heck they almost named me Roman (kinda wish they did because Roman is a much cooler name than Chaka).  I'm still a Ram fan on many levels but for whatever reason the Raiders come first.  However having been to several Raiders games in Oakland with friends who rooted for the opposing team and going to even more Raider games in San Diego as a supporter of the opposing team, with friends who were Charger fans, my opinion is that Los Angeles back in the day and San Diego in the present are both riskier venues for opposing fans than Oakland coliseum regardless of what perception suggests.
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this is right on the money.  the NWA days bred trouble and all the idiots go down to SD.  and lets be clear, the meathead SD fans are some of the worst agitators ever.  they're pissed the raiders take over their stadium and are looking to fight.

 
DA RAIDERS said:
this is right on the money.  the NWA days bred trouble and all the idiots go down to SD.  and lets be clear, the meathead SD fans are some of the worst agitators ever.  they're pissed the raiders take over their stadium and are looking to fight.
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I finally gave up on going to games in SD because the local fans seem to be looking to start #### with Raider fans.  I swear not only are they some of the least knowledgeable sports fans in the country but they really don't seem to be able to hold their liquor either.  It's like they are trying to prove their manhood.  No one told them it isn't 1977 anymore, and if it was the Raiders would kick in their teeth, burn down their stadium and their women would leave them for real men.

 
Chaka said:
I finally gave up on going to games in SD because the local fans seem to be looking to start #### with Raider fans.  I swear not only are they some of the least knowledgeable sports fans in the country but they really don't seem to be able to hold their liquor either.  It's like they are trying to prove their manhood.  No one told them it isn't 1977 anymore, and if it was the Raiders would kick in their teeth, burn down their stadium and their women would leave them for real men.
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Wow, just wow...How do you really feel though? Don't hold back...lol. 

 
Chaka said:
I finally gave up on going to games in SD because the local fans seem to be looking to start #### with Raider fans.  I swear not only are they some of the least knowledgeable sports fans in the country but they really don't seem to be able to hold their liquor either.  It's like they are trying to prove their manhood.  No one told them it isn't 1977 anymore, and if it was the Raiders would kick in their teeth, burn down their stadium and their women would leave them for real men.
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and the Hells Angels would have had there backs lol

 
BoltNlava said:
Wow, just wow...How do you really feel though? Don't hold back...lol. 
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I have been living in SD since '88 and have been to a ton of games, of course I know there are plenty of knowledgeable fans in SD but it just isn't the same as it is in other cities.  And I have never felt more concerned for my safety at a game while wearing opposing team colors than in SD.  I don't think that is typical in SD for anyone but Raider and Dodger fans but it is absolutely the reality of my experience.

 
Chaka said:
Chaka said:
I have been living in SD since '88 and have been to a ton of games, of course I know there are plenty of knowledgeable fans in SD but it just isn't the same as it is in other cities.  And I have never felt more concerned for my safety at a game while wearing opposing team colors than in SD.  I don't think that is typical in SD for anyone but Raider and Dodger fans but it is absolutely the reality of my experience.
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Rarely had I seen any trouble in the seats I had....I didn't sit in GA or hang out in the Parking lot though, so I would have missed anything done there. There's so much to do instead of go to Charger games so a lot of the fans are not as passionate as other fans. That might explain the empty seats and knowledge. In the Fouts era the stadium was always full and rockin' Tomlinson filled the seats too. So who knows? The losing has to be the reason Raider fans have any seats to sit in at all. If the Chargers suck San Diegans can go to the mountains, the desert, the beach,LA, etc, so the stadium is 1/3 empty. Never see that in Green Bay..lol. Not even in -30 degree weather! Most understand it takes to teams to make a game and are respectful. I will admit to hearing about fights and whatnot during the NWA/LA time period.  
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Chaka said:
as an aside since you mentioned the Rams, my mother went into labor with me at a Rams game and didn't leave until the game was over, heck they almost named me Roman (kinda wish they did because Roman is a much cooler name than Chaka). 
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1) That's an awesome story

2) This was for Roman Gabriel? If so, that's pretty cool given your split allegiance, and the fact that the Raiders selected Gabriel as the #1 pick in the AFL draft the same year he was selected by the Rams in the NFL.

 
Chaka said:
I finally gave up on going to games in SD because the local fans seem to be looking to start #### with Raider fans.  I swear not only are they some of the least knowledgeable sports fans in the country but they really don't seem to be able to hold their liquor either.  It's like they are trying to prove their manhood.  No one told them it isn't 1977 anymore, and if it was the Raiders would kick in their teeth, burn down their stadium and their women would leave them for real men.
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Lol, haven't people been saying this about southern cali fans as long as you have been alive?

Anyone else remember those dodge.... I mean SD fans that drove up to watch a dodger/Giant game just so they could beat a Giants fan into a coma, falling just short of beating him to death? The dodgers ended up on the hook for nearly $20mil because their fan..... errrr, visiting SD fan base.

 
Things getting feisty this week @ OTAs:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/06/01/three-fights-at-raiders-ota-practice

Don't know whether I like the return of the swagger and toughness and the sign that guys are gunning for their roster spots hard already, or if it's a sign of dysfunction/misdirection of team by JDR and staff. As much as I like the passion, it's not worth the potential injury that can happen this early in the process.

Still: :boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

         :boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

         :football:

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Things getting feisty this week @ OTAs:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/06/01/three-fights-at-raiders-ota-practice

Don't know whether I like the return of the swagger and toughness and the sign that guys are gunning for their roster spots hard already, or if it's a sign of dysfunction/misdirection of team by JDR and staff. As much as I like the passion, it's not worth the potential injury that can happen this early in the process.

Still: :boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

         :boxing: :boxing: :boxing:

         :football:
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Not to mention potential sanctions from the league for having contact during OTAs.  

 
Scott Bair had a nice piece regarding OTA observations. 

Del Rio mentioned that Ward seemed ahead of the game,  and called him a pleasant surprise.

The notion of what this D line could be like with Mack, Mario, Irvin, Autry, Ward etc. is kind of getting me pretty excited.  Some real nice young talent there,  locked up for a while, cheap.  

 
Wasn't one of the knocks on Ward coming out of the draft is that he was thought to be a little soft or not mean enough? Throwing down with Osemele is a good sign.

 
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